The Comms Room

pauska

11:00 AM

I don't play enough to justify the cost

RobM

@Chopper3 Makes sense to me. I never saw the point in getting upset about games, you're there to relax after all.

I certainly don't let being crap at them get to me, I just try to do better at my own pace

Chopper3

@RobM oh some get SO upset though, hilarious

RobM

absolutely.

Some people think whatever game is their whole world

though that can be expensive too. Like @pauska says, if you don't play enough then its a lot of money to take it seriously and get all the mods/DLC for something

Dennis Nolte

depending on the way you want to view it, you might want to consider some players behaving similiar to $sports_fans , or even as a competitor in $sport.
So if you play one game in competition, possibly for money, you might shift that behaviour to other games unintetionally.

RobM

that's true

though again, I wonder how upset a premier league footballer allows themselves to get over a game of golf. I should think if you were doing something like that semi-seriously that you'd welcome the chance to relax, let off some steam and be less serious.

Maybe it's like the people we get in meta here sometimes who will spend 10 seconds writing a crap question then 2 hours arguing about it on meta instead of another 2 mins on the main site fixing the question: some people are just dicks ;-)

Dennis Nolte

11:07 AM

@RobM i was gonna answer that lengthy, but meh.

RobM

:)

Dennis Nolte

i still think not everyone in the esports leagues playing competitve and swears or flames other is directly a dick

same as not every sysadmin is a dick.

RobM

nope, just letting off a bit of steam in the heat of the moment of a game doesn't make someone a dick

Dennis Nolte

@RobM so when (in your opinion) does a gamer becomes a dick if it is not the "usual" uncontrolled emotional behaviour.

RobM

When attacks become personal against someone. When the "attacker" goes out looking for people to become offended at. Where they react unreasonably to 'noobs' being in a match that its reasonable/expected for noobs to be in.

Dennis Nolte

11:13 AM

@RobM hmm, that makes my previous me a 3/3, figures :)

RobM

In World of Tanks, I've seen people shoot "noobs" on their own team "so that they wouldn't get in the way of the serious gaming later". That's pretty dickish

Chopper3

I've got to do my annual two-day LA trip later this month and I was asking a friend about the hotel and they sent me this AMAZING competition they're running - fourseasons.com/beverlywilshire/services_and_amenities/… - you too can have a day as a prostitute

RobM

Jesus christ

pauska

@RobM there are a ton of cunts in WoT

just disable the chat completely.. it helps some

I joined reddit's clan, they're ok people.. usually start their own groups

RobM

@pauska true enough... wait there's a reddit clan on WOT?

pauska

11:16 AM

@RobM yep, RDDT

or well.. RDDT1, RDDT2 etc

I'm in RDDT5

or well, maybe I am.. they keep kicking me out since I'm so inactive

RobM

And have you tried the tank rally yet? I find it most odd to race in tanks...

pauska

first time I hear about it

probably something they put in to attract more kids with parent visa cards

you know that you can unselect certain battle modes, and still use random battle?

RobM

probably... you get given a "Chaffee Sports" tank with a 90kmph top speed. It's worth one go to see what you think, I reckon.

Yeah, I tend to just stick with the 'normal' battle modes myself

pauska

add me next time you're on then.. maybe we'll gang up sometime

I think my username is pauska

RobM

I'll do that mate, thanks :)

not sure what mine is, probably robertomoir

I tend to go through phases of playing the ass off WOT for a bit then not touching it for months

Jenny D

11:23 AM

@pauska FPA "Wheel of Time" and it was just as true

MichelZ

how windows 8 should have been:

►

pauska

@JennyD what is FPA?

Jenny D

@pauska First Parsed As

pauska

@JennyD Okay, I'm blank.. explain with less smart words :)

Jenny D

@pauska I first parsed "WoT" as meaning the book series "Wheel of Time". It is also full of awful people so that parsing worked just as well as the one you intended.

pauska

11:26 AM

@JennyD ahh

@RobM same here..

faker

11:44 AM

any puppet users around? Am I right with the assumption that the bash packages gets only updated when the file resource changes here: serverfault.com/questions/632699/…

I almost never use chaining arrows

Michael Hampton

@faker I use them in modules with the anchor pattern to make sure the package is installed and configured before starting the service. But whatever he's doing seems rather wrong.

faker

@MichaelHampton I'm not a Debian user, but it sounds like he deploys a repo just for bash updates?

Michael Hampton

@faker Yeah, I have no idea what he's up to there.

Iain

12:05 PM

oh dear never mind serverfault.com/questions/632705/…

@MichaelHampton I am working on the stats we discussed recently - viz questions asked by people who's homesite isn't SF which ones get closed etc

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Iain yuck, SLES...

Iain

@DennisKaarsemaker I can't say I've ever seen it - does yast not do dependency checking and warn you lots of shit will be deleted too ?

tombull89

@RobM no, CoD is very fast paced, small areas. It's like you're thrown into an envrioment and told to kill each other, while Battlefield is a whole battle with infantry, tank and air battles.

I'm not a huge fan of conquest (the main Battlefield game mode) but it's seriously impressive with 64 players duking it out with tank battles in the streets and jets figting overhead.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Iain pretty sure it does warn, but there's no cure for stupid users

Iain

indeed

RobM

12:12 PM

there are not enough faces or palms in the universe to properly facepalm out that one

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Nathan C

Had time warner over yesterday to figure out why latency skyrockets when people are streaming...installed a brand new Ubee modem. No difference...:(

I played league of legends last night with 450-700ms latency. That was fun.

RobM

just pointed my 'assistant' network guy at that bash post and I honestly think he's weeping and laughing at the same time now.

Nathan C

@DennisKaarsemaker Real sysadmins use apt-get purge bash -y

cole

Sup

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@RobM I've seen people do this on Debian, Ubuntu,RredHat, Fedora and now SLES. It's not making me facepalm anymore, just

@NathanC won't work. You'ld need --force-essential

Michael Hampton

12:17 PM

RHEL 7 and current Fedora will not allow you to yum remove bash, full stop

Nathan C

@DennisKaarsemaker Instructions unclear, rm -rf / --no-preserve-root

RobM

@DennisKaarsemaker likewise. I'm not sure if I count as any kind of a Linux sysadmin but I remember enough from AIX/SystemV/BSD back in the day to have that on the list of things not to do, without waiting to be told not to do it

But then 4chan frequently get people to microwave or drop their expensive hand-held electronics into tanks of water by claiming that software upgrades make them waterproof or chargeable by microwave oven and idiots fall for it every time, so...

Michael Hampton

The problem is, these days the junior sysadmin is likely as not to be that guy who prints PDFs and scans them before emailing them.

RobM

To a certain degree that's down to the employer - if they want to hire a team full of newbie admins and not pay for any experienced team leaders or mentors then shit like this will happen

MichelZ

@MichaelHampton how else would you do that?

RobM

12:24 PM

but i do wonder about the outright lack of ability to think and critically analyse anything they're told that you seem to see in people these days. Just look at Skeptics.SE (actually. don't look, you'll be sorry).

Michael Hampton

@RobM Oh, that's been on a gradual decline for many years now.

true :-(

worst.dj.ever.

12:50 PM

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Nathan C

@DennisKaarsemaker I had forgotten about that webcomic...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@NathanC sorry for reminding you. It's fairly shit these days.

Nathan C

@DennisKaarsemaker Heh, a lot of the webcomics I used to follow are now...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I don't even read webcomics anymore

not even xkcd

RobM

I think that QC is the official comic of ServerFault. Or at least it was when it had more yelling bird in it.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

1:00 PM

that was just @voretaq7 and @Wesley in their contest to see who's the gayest

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faker

I still like smbc-comic every now and then. Like the syadmin heaven one: imgur.com/GsFWpk2

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RobM

oh yes

I think Something Positive is still top-notch.

Actually I still enjoy QC - it's just incredibly slow-paced in terms of how fast the plot progresses... and come to that the plot is quite slow in itself too.

Nick

1:16 PM

Great I have to transfer about 1.000 files which are about 120GB total... on a machine too weak to compress them easily(or at all) ... and cant use any physical means to transfer them (flash drives) ... I guess im gonna have to use a web server

RobM

@faker sysadmin hell is working for my boss and having to repeatedly explain that every problem ever, including the bogs being out of bog paper Is. Not. Down. To. Fucking. "Replication"

faker

@RobM of course not! It's because of DNS. Or caching. Or DNS caching.

RobM

Y.... you.... you're him aren't you?

weeps

Nathan C

Heh, had a .doc.doc file caught in the filter

RobM

rename to whatsup.doc.doc, forward to user, profess all ignorance of anything the matter.

Journeyman Geek

1:26 PM

nyah!

faker

looks like the Xen vulnerability is out of embargo, patches for CentOS 6 are getting pushed. Details: xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-108.html

RobM

nice... :-\

Journeyman Geek

I just read about the guy who removed bash from his system. That's a tiny bit like flaying yourself to prevent skin cancer.

Bob

Hmm. It didn't list dependent packages that would be removed?

Nathan C

1:45 PM

@Bob Probably did...a reflex "enter" is all it takes

Basil

morning

Iain

@NathanC a reflex enter should default to a a negative response.

Nathan C

@Iain True...then he's just an idiot. :P

Iain

s/True...then //

MichelZ

noooooo

the funny dude's meta is gone from yesterday who thought we target him with downvotes

@Nick e-mail them :)

HopelessN00b

1:53 PM

@Nick Eww, why? At least use a protocol designed for transferring files... not one designed for ... browsing html.

Iain

@MichelZ no, it's still there, it's just been so poorly received that it is now hidden in plain sight - look under questions

Nick

@HopelessN00b got any better ideas? :p

Iain

ftp

Nick

@MichelZ email 1.000 files, 120GB total... what could possibly go wrong

@Iain ehhh maybe... if I can easily setup a secure ftp server

MichelZ

@Iain aaah, thx :D

Nick

1:55 PM

@HopelessN00b whats wrong with transfering files over http anyway?

MichelZ

@Nick what the heck are you doing? NFS? CIFS? anyone?

Nick

@MichelZ transfering files out of old storage server

MichelZ

no NFS/CIFS?

faker

Linux?

HopelessN00b

@Nick Well, which is easier and more efficient? FTP/SCPing a bunch of files, or transferring them by installing Apache? (Blech.)

Nick

1:56 PM

@faker yup

faker

@Nick just rsync them over ssh with a weak cipher and no compression?

Nick

@MichelZ nope

@faker possibly

Hmm how well will a <2Ghz CPU combine 120GB of files into tar? :p

faker

@Nick rsync --progress -av source --rsh="ssh -c arcfour" destination

Nathan C

@Nick Depends on how many files.

faker

@Nick I think it will be rather a I/O problem than CPU problem...

Nick

1:58 PM

@NathanC ehhh... a lot

ill possibly use rsync

Anyone knows if theres a way to get a list of checksums from a directory (for example sha512sum ` find . ` ) and then auto compare the output to another dir? (integrity checking)

Ill possibly have to write my own script for that

pauska

Why do always american companies "thanks for your patience"? I have no patience when something stops working...

Nick

@pauska heh "Thanks for not being patient"

Travis

@pauska Because our nation has become a nation of political correctness. You can't tell someone their a fat fucking moron that needs to put the god damn cake down.

Michael Hampton

Are iPhone owners really this dumb?

RobM

2:14 PM

some are. They're lusers aren't they?

Bob

@MichaelHampton In response to the headline: You don't say?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Printing...

Travis

@MichaelHampton and in retort: geektime.com/2014/07/21/…

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