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8:00 PM
elections are closed
results aren't up but the vote data is
someone crunch it
 
@MDMarra Y U GO ON mSO?
 
@MDMarra And the reason that I'll never run for mod. That whole situation with our FAQ getting rejected with no meaningful input was quite instructive.
 
@Adrian there was some meaningful input on that behind the curtain
 
That prick Evan Carroll came second :(
 
@voretaq7 Well, to those of us without connections, it looked like a kick in the teeth.
 
8:02 PM
@MDMarra My crunching says MH and TO'C
 
Winners are Michael Hampton and Tom O'Connor.
 
Evan Carroll for ever!
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@Adrian it was, but they were wearing ridiculous fuzzy pink slippers
 
Shog9 says in his post that SE leaves horrible candidates in place because the community should be free to choose. If that's the case, why is the community not wanting someone that was suspended a problem? If we're free to choose, why aren't we free to choose what's important to us? Either way, we won't see eye to eye on this, so I'll drop it, but it seems like there are two messages being told here. 1) People can choose whoever they want. 2) We don't want to share some info because then people might not choose who they want correctly. — MDMarra 12 secs ago
@Iain wow no kidding
 
8:03 PM
Well done!
 
@DennisKaarsemaker I'm so disappointed I'm never coming back <runs off crying>
ok I'm back what did I miss?
 
Arf
 
I thought for sure it would be Scott and Ward
 
@voretaq7 our new overlords are Tom & Michael
 
Either way, congrats fellows
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8:03 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker Thank God.
 
Heh, @Iain beat me to it
 
@MDMarra Part of the problem is that there's no way to distinguish a ban for trolling versus a mandatory 24 hour swat on the snout for calling a user a douchewaffle on the main site
 
Congrats TomO'Connor and Mikey H!
 
@MichaelHampton @TomO'Connor Congratz to Both of You.
 
@voretaq7 So let the candidate explain it
 
8:04 PM
@tombull89 that's creepy
 
Anyway, out i go!
 
@voretaq7 I definitely noticed the undisguised hostility toward at least one person that ran in the election.
 
@Adrian I can't possibly fathom who you're talking about </sarcasm>
@MikeyB pastie.org - the nipple-covering-pasties user association of greater America?
(anyone else remember when you had to prove you were a legit "org" to get a .org domain?)
 
@voretaq7 SE has a problem with their tendency to swatt the source of the noise instead of fixing the problem or at least giving the problem a swat.
 
8:06 PM
I'd like to see total votes trended with total rep
I bet they follow rep pretty closely
 
lol Carroll actually got votes?
 
@Adrian We swat the problem pretty regularly
 
@tombull89 or 14 sock puppets?
 
catch is he actually needs to step over the line each time his tempopermabans expire
 
@voretaq7 Yes, and from here it looks like you put up with a lot of pushback for doing so.
 
8:08 PM
@voretaq7 so why not give him an actual permaban next time?
or something that expires at 03:14:08 UTC on 19 January 2038
 
@Adrian eh, personally if it were my network I would have the sharks in suits send him a C&D letter - but throwing year-long bans at the problem seems to be the official consensus
@DennisKaarsemaker a year is pretty much the standard for "consistently disruptive, GTFO"
of course the standard is also quasi-exponential (1 day, 3 day, week, month, year)
 
then 5 years and (time_t)INT_MAX
 
You know what's great? Shog9 posted that he'd like to have removed two more candidates from this election...and I'm pretty sure the two he'd want to remove are the two that won. suck it, establishment
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>>> time.ctime(sys.maxint)
'Tue Jan 19 04:14:07 2038'
@MDMarra really? Why would he want to remove those?
 
He didn't say specifically that it was those two
 
8:12 PM
oh
 
Yay! I can keep voting to close!
 
He just said:

Sure. Heck, there are at least two other candidates that I'd like to remove because I think they're too prone to starting trouble and not particularly apt to stop it once it starts.
@Ward Looks like you came close, this time!
 
@MDMarra Pretty much. But it's not like they're going to listen to anything from over here anyway.
 
@Ward Looks like you came in 3rd, though...
 
@Adrian @MDMarra We have more of a voice than you guys seem to think (though certainly not as much as any of us would like -- it would be great if each site were truly independent)
 
8:15 PM
Oh, I don't have a problem with how much "pull" mods have
I was just being an anarchist
 
@MDMarra antichrist?
or were you one of the 14 votes? :-)
 
And I see @MichaelHampton and @TomO'Connor already have been given their diamonds. :)
 
::shines bright light at @MDMarra:: Are you now or have you ever been....
 
@voretaq7 I understand. I'm sure .SE is perfectly cool with any idea that makes operations easier or theoretically drives more n00b eyeballs to the sites. But they're certainly not going to actual fix problems within a given community due to SE's own actions that are not congruent with their broader business goals.
 
@Adrian well like all things we're beholden to broader business goals (Get traffic. Bring money.)
 
8:19 PM
@Adrian but here you would expect their broader business goals would be to attract more real sysadmins et al so they could sell more advertising space based on their previous successes
 
@voretaq7 of course. I'm still pretty torqued off about the rampant dilution of the community though. Significant harm and we're the ones under the bus.
 
@MichaelHampton and @TomO'Connor Congratulations!
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@voretaq7 haha no. I'm relatively low key
 
@Iain I'd agree. That's how I'd focus that, at least.
 
I've seen one job ad that subsequently turned up in a bunch of emails from various recruiters after it was posted on SF's side bar
all we're really doing is attracting more developers
 
8:20 PM
@Iain ouch
 
@Adrian We generally rely on you guys to police quality (high rep users politely closing shit works better than mods playing whack-a-mole)
@Iain sad, but true
 
@Iain Not surprising. I'm seeing 10x Dev jobs to every SysAdmin job posted.
 
@voretaq7 but you like playing whack-a-noob so much, I don't want to deprive you of that joy
 
the SE network is a developer network
@DennisKaarsemaker No I don't. This damn fucking blue rock on my neck means I gotta be NICE when I do it. I HATE BEING NICE!
(at least when you're not a mod getting a week off for calling noobs douchewaffles isn't a terrible thing. cough*TomTom*cough)
 
@voretaq7 Whack-a-mole is easy compared to dealing with Fortune 100 VPs. But I don't want to deal with it.
 
8:22 PM
@Adrian you need to use a big hammer for VPs.
 
Congratulations admin folks.
 
@voretaq7 Patiently led, explained to, and convinced. Over and Over Again.
 
@Adrian we usually use the cattle prod...
 
Say, where did Douchenozzle EC come in for election results anyway?
 
last from the look of it but with 14 votes
 
8:26 PM
@Iain that's an impressive turnout
 
@Adrian I prefer 'douchecanoe' myself
 
@Chopper3 I like the alliterative douchedingo
 
@Iain Ok, which 13 people voted for him?
 
@Adrian Dead last - 14 voted for him (3 only for him) first.
 
@freiheit he...he was the most qualified candidate!
god I can't even type that without laughing
 
8:29 PM
Enough people voted for EC (1st, 2nd, or 3rd vote) to make me uncomfortable (41 people).
 
then chime in on my mSO post!
 
@ChrisS Good. Armed with that knowledge, I'm a little more sanguine about the whole situation. Thank you.
 
@MDMarra lol don't be, SE won't do a thing.
 
@voretaq7 Don't forget that he does humbleness better than everybody else
 
I don't know what I meant to write but now I've forgotton
 
8:30 PM
 
Both our new moderators are AWOL... WTF?
 
@Chopper3 Douchecanoe is good too. Scandalized my son the other day when I called him that. Teenagers are so fun to mess with.
 
So I've been in a meeting with my bosses. Which assholes won?
 
@ChrisS @TomO'Connor was on Twitter recently, but hasn't replied to my congrats tweet to him....
@ScottPack Tom and Michael
 
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Q: 2013 Moderator Election Results

Shog9Server Fault's third moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied, and the two new moderators are: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes! For details on...

 
8:32 PM
@ChrisS they're getting drunk.
 
But, really, @Iain is the biggest winner, since he's getting out of the job...
 
@EEAA Pleasure to have you join us. I always feel a bit like you're visiting royalty when you pop in.
 
@Adrian douche followed by any method of transport is generally funny.
 
@Basil Douchebike?
 
@Basil Doucheskate
 
8:33 PM
@Adrian Hah. I'm flattered. Honestly I'd be here more often if my work slows down a teeny bit.
 
You can trust me to make anything unfunny
 
@freiheit haha...aww.
 
@EEAA If you lived in a place that didn't freeze over for 6 months each year, I'd hit you up for work.
 
At least I get a wonderfully comfy undershirt
 
@Basil hmm. A cow-orker pointed out that Ford models get a lot funnier if you replace ford with anal. He owns an explorer...
 
8:36 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker anal model-t? hey, it works!
 
cougar, galaxy, fiesta...
 
or is it model-t anal...?
 
@freiheit but him no pro much. meh.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Hmm. That would be awesome for driving around in Seattle. And I own an Explorer as well.
 
@Adrian I own a C(li)max myself...
 
8:40 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker Wait, those things get like 4.5kpl.
@DennisKaarsemaker I've been seriously thinking about buying one of those once I'm working again. heard lots of good things about them. And they're reportedly selling more of those than the Toyata Trii here in the States.
Don't you folks have crazy-ass gas prices?
 
@Adrian Define "Crazy"
 
@voretaq7 7-8 Euros per gallon.
 
@Adrian Stop mixing units - if you're giving me prices in Euros you have to give me volume in Liters
(also it hurts less)
 
@Adrian 1.68 (Euros / l) = 8.22282289 US$ / gal
 
@DennisKaarsemaker that's only about twice what we're paying here - so no more crazy-ass than the rest of the world.
 
8:44 PM
@voretaq7 I know. I can't sufficient brain this afternoon. Too many cycles still concentrating on the RH ISCSI cert info.
 
iscsi is fun.
 
@EEAA Cheers guys :D
 
@voretaq7 The real craziness is how heavily subsidized gasoline is in the US
 
Y U NO BLU?!?
 
@ScottPack site mod != chat mod?
 
8:46 PM
@TomO'Connor go accept your moderator agreement so we can get on with the traditional hazing^W welcoming of the fresh meat ^W^W new recruits
@DennisKaarsemaker Site mod -> Chat mod
 
@DennisKaarsemaker All SE mods are chat mods
 
@freiheit If that's the case, then things are really screwed up considering how much of the price of gas is also taxes.
 
@TomO'Connor now don't do anything stu <user was banned from chat>
 
Note to self: Stop typing local box LVM commands into the hosting machine containing your websites.
 
8:48 PM
@freiheit We have no mass transit or rail infrastructure to speak of...
@Adrian why? What's the worst that could happen? :P
 
@Adrian ah rm -r / -f :)
dammit. easter egg is smarter than me
 
@DennisKaarsemaker rm -fr /
avoids the eggs, yes.
 
Interesting. I'd always assumed that the behavior of flags not being recognized after arguments was a ksh thing. Works fine in ksh under Linux though. -f removed that directory just fine under ksh on Linux though.
Must be Solaris and not ksh itself
 
9:08 PM
@MichaelHampton @TomO'Connor congratulations/apologies are in order. Enjoy your powers responsibly ;p
 
<old man "Get off my lawn"> How is this: serverfault.com/questions/511496/… any different from: serverfault.com/questions/511478/… in terms of being acceptable? I'm not saying it isn't, I think they should both be closed, but the open one seems to be sticking around a lot longer...
 
The less professionally-written ones get hammered faster perhaps?
And don't forget, a mod-hammer requires 1 mod vote. Us plebians require 5. =)
 
Oh yeah: @MichaelHampton @TomO'Connor Congratulations! I'm glad it's you, not me. :)
 
@freiheit heehee.
 
@TheCleaner The first one is sliiiightly less shit-tastic in that it's asking an architecture question ("How can I best accomplish <reasonable business goal>?")
 
9:22 PM
@TomO'Connor Oh, hey, you turned blue. :)
 
@JourneymanGeek hehe
 
@freiheit that's what happens when we let him play with plastic bags
 
@voretaq7 o.O
 
@voretaq7 @Iain finally escaped from his plastic bag?
 
9:24 PM
I'm rather happy the two people who won are in the 3 I voted for. (and swag, yay!)
 
@freiheit nah just clawed enough holes in it to breathe again
 
9:42 PM
I am kinda surprised Ward didn't win.
 
@Zoredache: yeah
but looks like a close thing
 
I am also surprised Evan got as much as he did. Who are the people that thought he would be a good moderator.
 
@Zoredache People out for a laugh
Anyway with STV it doesn't matter. His votes were elimitated and transferred to someone else, and for those people that only voted for him, their votes became null so it doesn't in the end matter
 
or people randomly voting in the order they see the names just to get a badge
which is plausible
 
@JourneymanGeek In theory random balances out :)
 
9:53 PM
@Adrian But see it is subsidized by the feds, and taxed by the local states/counties. It is secret way for the Fed to give money to the states.
 
@Zoredache Ah. Typically F'd Up, in other words.
 
@Adrian SNAFU
 
@MikeyB: just add the tooth fairy as a candidate, always put it in the first third, and see what happens? ;p
 
I need Powershellz help!!
 
@ewwhite I hereby summon @MDMarra!
 
9:59 PM
Set-DynamicDistributionGroup -Identity Everyone -RecipientFilter {((RecipientType -eq 'UserMailbox') -and -not(Name -like 'Mark Marra'))}
My client is trying to run that.
 
@MarkHenderson Did you double @ that?
 
@ScottPack I did not
Because he's been in the room recently I don't need to
 
Need to? Phaw. Want to?
 
So I'm trying to do this with Custom Attributes.
 
Just called to cancel my old hosting service. They were shocked to hear that I'm unhappy with their little experiment in offshoring their tech support to India. Heh. Riiight
 
10:04 PM
@ewwhite Which snappin is that?
 
In the EMS
 
@Adrian I'm shocked - SHOCKED I SAY - to discover there's Bangalore going on in this establishment!
 
Set-DynamicDistributionGroup : Cannot bind parameter 'RecipientFilter' to the target. Exception setting "RecipientFilte
r": "Invalid filter syntax. For a description of the filter parameter syntax see the command help.
^ That what you're trying to fix?
 
Set-DynamicDistributionGroup -Identity Everyone -RecipientFilter {((RecipientType -eq 'UserMailbox') -and -not(CustomAttribute1 -eq 'exclude'))}
That works
 
@ewwhite What's the error you're getting? Because when I run it, it works OK
 
10:11 PM
No error.
Just wasn't sure on syntax.
 
@ewwhite Oh
 
Need to make this more manageable for the end-user
so they didn't want to have to modify the script everytime they needed to exclude someone
so I went with custom attributes
 
1
Q: Do LSI Cards allow the creation of partitions

slappyjamI am currently using a SuperMicro machine that has an on-board LSI 2208 controller. This LSI controller supports the basic suite of LSI commands. I have yet to find a command to create a partition on a drive. I can do this with the Adaptec controllers that I've been using (5405). What I want ...

So WTF I'm confused
 
@Chopper3 Kinda like using hpacucli to make smaller logical volumes...
and then RAIDING THEM!!
Smart Array P400 in Slot 8                (sn: P61630G9SVN702)

   array A (SAS, Unused Space: 385320  MB)


      logicaldrive 1 (72.0 GB, RAID 1+0, OK)
      logicaldrive 2 (120.0 GB, RAID 1+0, OK)
      logicaldrive 3 (100.0 GB, RAID 6 (ADG), OK)
      logicaldrive 4 (100.0 GB, RAID 1+0, OK)
and then RAIDing logicaldrive 4 and 3...
not going to comment, because I don't fully understand
 
Same here, I think he's confused
 
10:27 PM
Woah.
 
yah?
 
@MichaelHampton Blue name, motherfucker
 
It isn't blue here (yet?).
Oh, now it is.
 
@MichaelHampton It is here ;)
 
10:29 PM
Funny, I expected more... um... ceremony.
 
On a more serious note, I need to talk to @TomO'Connor and @MichaelHampton about your flag volume, I see you are currently at < 25% of the median of handled flags
Need to pick up your game boys
 
@MarkHenderson o.O
 
ugh... all blue names. I need to exit.
 
Oh wait, SE sent me an email.
It says I'm not supposed to jump in and wreak havoc on my first day. So I guess I'll wreak havoc tomorrow.
 
10:32 PM
Please do.
 
@MichaelHampton I've closed one question. That's quite enough for one day.
 
@MichaelHampton Tomorrow starts in 88 minutes, right?
 
Oh, THERE's the "accept the terms of service" ceremony I was expecting.
 
Where's @wesleydavid - I was at a trade show yesterday and found a bunch of IP security cameras that range from Full HD to 5Mpx
 
@ewwhite Have we been "naughty" again?
 
10:41 PM
@84104 Nah just most of the regulars in here are mods now
 
Hurray you! =P
 
Reminds me of when chanserv would occasionally go nuts and op all the users in an irc channel. That was.. Weird.
 
@MarkHenderson sup
 
@MDMarra wanted some PS help
 
10:45 PM
figure it out yet?
 
I mean @ewwhite wanted some PS help
 
oh
 
And as to if he figure dit out, I'm not sure :P
 
must be powercli :)
@ewwhite sup
 
@MDMarra Exchange
 
10:47 PM
It's all fixed.
 
@voretaq7 Yeah, pretty much. The reason I went with them in the first place a few years back is that they had a team of 3 sysadmins in their office in LA that were pretty darn good.
 
11:05 PM
Fedora/Centos users, does the latest stable have a /run tmpfs filesystem?
 
Stupid VRU telemarketers
 
@Zoredache Fedora yes
I don't think you'll see /run in EL until version 7
 
Thanks, this is a new thing on Debian 7.0, and they had claimed other distros are doing that as well, including Fedora, and some future release of Centos.
I am just seeing of Debian is doing something non-standard, and if I should be mad about it.
 
@Zoredache It's Debian. There's ALWAYS something non-standard going on.
 
No, it's an expected change
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Q: what is this new filesystem /run?

xenoterracideI just ran df -h a minute ago and noticed a filesystem has been added that I'm not familliar with. Does anyone know why /run exists? is this something that's been added by the kernel? by Arch Linux? run 10M 236K 9.8M 3% /run

 
11:11 PM
@Adrian Yes, well that is true to a certain extent with almost every Linux based system, since there are no real standards. I just like to double check unusual things.
I kind of like this one. It will make my boxes with a read-only root actually work without so much hacking and symlinks.
 
@Zoredache Yes, it's one of several changes which permit things like /usr and /var to be on separate filesystems (again, finally).
 
@Zoredache I could see how that would be a major boon to thin-client machines as well. As it is, my machines at $job[-2] were running a two-stage boot process to be able to deal with the initial read-only root.
And the root pivot was occasionally rather flaky.
 
I kinda wish puppet, didn't have a different attribute if you are using a file source => versus a template content => template(). It sure seems like those should have been combined.
 
@Zoredache I assume you're privy to the stuff that's changing re: Puppet's Ruby support? ewwhite was talking about that earlier this morning
 
@Adrian I don't think so. Got a link to the message, or about what time?
 
11:24 PM
blah
 
lemme dig
 
I wish the chat search had better filters. Like time range, asking userid, etc.
 
@Zoredache Chat search gives you the poster after you do your keyword search
And a basic time filter, iirc
Ok no time filter, but you do get a user filter
 
@Zoredache My bad. Dennis K brought it up: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9635204#9635204
 
@Adrian thanks
 
11:28 PM
@MarkHenderson also needs to emulate Bash shell command line shortcuts =P
@Zoredache np. And I totally forgot about it this year, but how did the LinuxFest go?
 
@Adrian I missed it. I put it on my calendar, a week later then it actually happened.
 
@Zoredache Doh! I had no idea that it's been going on for 14 years though.
 
Hooray fixed my domain controllers
 
@Cole What was wrong?
 
Two of them hadn't replicated in a week
 
11:32 PM
Yup, it has been around quite a while. The first couple years were pretty small though.
 
@Cole What was it? Bad gateways? Firewall rules? Crap DNS entries?
I've seen all those things with non-replicated DC's
 
Crap DNS entries
removed the offending DNS enteries > rebooted > whabam
Sometimes I can fix things
 
@Cole That's the way to go
 
It's easier if I pretend I don't know anything so people won't ask me questions.
 
I once had to forcibly remove a dead DC once. That was not fun, manually deleting DNS records etc
 
11:35 PM
The first year, I even was responsible for one of the demos. I setup a couple computers demonstrating, this new magically product called Vmware that allowed you to run Linux under Windows, and Windows under Linux. I got my first Vmware 1.0 license for free.
 
@Zoredache HERESY! HEATHEN! NO SUCH THING EXISTS!
ITS BLACK MAGIC. BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!
THE LORD OF LIGHT COMMANDS IT
 
@MarkHenderson it sucks
 
VM what?
 
@MichaelHampton congrats!
 
@Cole Thanks, uh, I think.
 
11:38 PM
@MichaelHampton Sorry?
 
@Zoredache VM wear? Never heard of it.
 
@MichaelHampton for getting a mod. spot
 
@Cole Oh, I thought you were congratulating me on my bad VMware joke.
 
@MichaelHampton: more likely that
 
@Zoredache That's cool. VMWare is a pretty damn good product, I must say. Frightfully expensive though.
 
11:46 PM
Tomorrow I'm going to Six Flags
fuck yes bitches.
 
@MichaelHampton I was wondering why you weren't showing up in your full Smurf-fulness. Forgot to reload the page. sigh
 
I'm pretty excited to have my first summer where I won't be wearing like 4 shirts.
Is Netflix (web) working for anyone else who may have it?
God dammit I just want to watch Parks & Rec
 
@Cole Is that more of that 'television' business I hear about?
 
Not looking forward to going to a wake this week
@Adrian yes
 
Televisions make great targets at the shooting range. Especially the old CRT ones.
 
11:48 PM
@Cole I've never been to a really sad wake. I've been to two, but they were both for my grandparents who died of natural causes. But a wake is meant to be a celebration of a persons life, don't forget that.
 
@MarkHenderson one of my best friend's father passed yesterday
 
@MarkHenderson It's not a wake if there's no booze.
 
@Adrian Shit no
 
@Cole Pretend you're Irish, and remember the difference between an irish wake and an irish wedding
 
@Cole Sorry to hear that.
 
11:49 PM
I am Irish
75%
 
@freiheit One less person at a wake
 
@MarkHenderson I just feel...bad.
 
@Cole Of course. That's a pretty normal feeling to be having.
 
@MarkHenderson One less drinker
 
Friend of mine passed away 2 summers ago. In his will he explicitly stated that he wanted to be cremated in his riding gear, that we'd do nothing more than throw a big-ass party, and have all his friend all over the world rev up their motorcycles at the same time.
 
11:50 PM
@Cole Somebody's dead that you knew and cared about? Yeah, feeling bad/sad/etc is normal and you just have to go with it and let it happen.
 
I don't really know what to say to her. We talked a lot when her dad first got sick. None of her friends could relate, except me unfortunately. (My mom had cancer)
 
(but some drinking at the wake isn't a bad plan)
 
@Cole Dude, you don't have to say anything
 
Ordering flowers now
 
You just have to be there.
 
11:53 PM
@Cole This is why we have formulaic things to say. "I'm so sorry for your loss". Or just being there and offering a hug. Grieving people generally aren't too picky about what you say, just that you're there and trying at all.
 
These flowers are hideous
 
Most comforting thing I had was just a firm grip on the shoulder from my step-uncle who I hardly even know. No words exchanged. Just that signal of "You'll be OK"
 
@freiheit "It should of been you"?
 
@MichaelHampton you understood the LSI question?
 
@ewwhite Speaking of LSI, LSI and Nexenta had a shared booth that the trade show I went to yesterday. Their representatives were hopeless
 
11:56 PM
@MattBear There are a few wrong choices. That's one, so is "Glad he's finally dead". Your basic sympathetic phrases are all fine, though.
 
@MarkHenderson whyso?
 
@freiheit "What smells"?
 
@ewwhite The Nexenta guy kept stammering and saying "Oh, um, I don't normally do this, so I don't know for sure, but..."
And the LSI guy had obviously been given a script and couldn't deviate from it
I wanted him to demonstrate replicating an iSCSI target to a 2nd node for DR purposes
All he could show me was how his Nexenta box was rebuilding a failed disk at 500MB/sec
 
@ewwhite I understood it. Though that wasn't very helpful...
 
:(
@MichaelHampton it didn't make sense
 
11:59 PM
Too much blue up in this bitch
 

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