The Comms Room

And it being a nonprofit they'll probably run it far longer than they really should. If I tell them three, they'll probably upgrade it after five or six. :)

ewwhite

run that shit into the ground!

Michael Hampton

Drive it until it dies, eh?

Cole

3

servers down

Mark Henderson

@Cole That's... expensive

Cole

12:23 AM

Yeah lol

Mark Henderson

The servers are probably OK though

Just be glad no one was behind them when the floor gave way

Cole

They're Sun - they can't get any worse

@MarkHenderson blogs.oracle.com/constantin/entry/now_that_s_what_i

"This must have happened some time ago, only the sysadmin didn't notice it because all of the servers were still running as if nothing happened! Later, Sun services checked every system in the rack and the only fault they found was a simple harddisk failure."

Mark Henderson

@Cole ahaha he must have had some slack in his cabling

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Well, let me know if I can help.

Cole

too funny

ewwhite

12:25 AM

Need a sense of purpose.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Thanks.

Cole

I was supposed to have my second phone interview with Sapient. The guy never showed up last time and canceled again yesterday.

I think I'm just done, not meant to be.

ewwhite

that is rude

Cole

Right?

Mark Henderson

@Cole I'd say so. That or he's incredibly disorganised. It's not fair to string along a candidate

Either way bodes badly

Cole

12:29 AM

It's just really turned me off to the position. Wondering if I should just email the HR person back and tell them I'm not longer interested?

This whole process has taken over a month.

Mark Henderson

@Cole I would to be honest

Cole

just to get 2 phone interviews.

then there would be a third on site interview.

I don;t know how to put it without sounding like a dick

ewwhite

I'd let it play out.

but keep looking

Mark Henderson

It took me two months to get through the interviews with Fog Creek, but thats because I could only do 1-2 a week, at 4am usually, and I had to do about 6 of them and a week-long pracical component

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson they did you wrong!

Cole

12:30 AM

Yeah I've been doing them at 7AM since I had to interview with people in India.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Hah, nah their circumstances changed half way through the hiring process

I'll give them huge points though, their lead sysadmin stayed up until 1am to do my first phone screen

ewwhite

Hiss!

Cole

So what do you guys think I should say to the HR person?

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Meh, new york is incredibly cold. I probably dodged a bullet there because I hate the cold

Journeyman Geek

@Cole: I'm looking for a six fingered man...

;p

Cole

12:33 AM

The company seemed pretty awesome to work for.

But if their IT management is this shitty, I'm not sure I want to work for them.

Michael Hampton

Oh, what a fun evening I'm having!

ewwhite

Feels dirty, doesn't it?

Michael Hampton

It's ... weird.

Wait until I install Desktop Experience on here and subject these poor users to ... Metro!

Adrian

Heh.

Yep. SysAdmin. Completely Unsurprising that the only guitar chords I really enjoy playing are minor key.

Journeyman Geek

12:52 AM

@MichaelHampton: what did they ever do to you? (by which I mean, I see the management refused permission for the automatic electronic user correction system AKA electric chairs)

Michael Hampton

What I really need, though, is a way to not pay retail for Server 2012 and the RDS CALs.

Andrew

1:33 AM

@MichaelHampton not-for-profit with charity licensing, and don't get audited :)

Charity/Academic licensing is how Microsoft achieves market share.

Journeyman Geek

lol

so true

most of my personal systems run MSDNAA/Dreamspark copies of windows

Michael Hampton

Great, I find 5-user RDS CAL for $419 and it's out of stock. Wonder why...

MikeyB

1:50 AM

@MichaelHampton I have a whole whack of unused 5-user W2008 Server CALs…

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB Great, just when I'm rolling out 2012...

MikeyB

So hey, apparently I have 80-ish CALs. 16 languages, each with 5 users.

I probably didn't explain that well

Michael Hampton

Are they remote desktop CALs?

MikeyB

@Cole Move to Canada, we need NetApp experience :)

Cole

@MikeyB I was talking to my girlfriend about moving to Canada

I have a very French Canadian name

MikeyB

1:52 AM

@Cole If you want to consider it more seriously, send me a resume.

Journeyman Geek

@Cole: how is that distinct from a french french name? ;p

Cole

@JourneymanGeek Lavallee is a French Canadian name

My legal first name is Nicolas

Journeyman Geek

just silence the last syllable, and thats french enough XD

Cole

@MikeyB I asked my girlfriend is she wants to move to Canada. She said "maybe. I like poutine."

Journeyman Geek

o0

thats an odd reason to move

granted, I think being able to avoid military service is a nice excuse to move overseas for me ;p

Cole

1:58 AM

:P

@MikeyB unfortunately, doesn't look like Canada has many dental assisting jobs.

MikeyB

@Cole i.e. jobs for dental assistants? That's what she is?

Cole

@MikeyB Yeah, she's not a hygienist (yet)

Michael Hampton

Do Canadians not have dentists, either?

Journeyman Geek

nope

Cole

@MichaelHampton I thought it was just the UK who didn't take care of their teeth

Journeyman Geek

2:10 AM

they do however have polar bears.

Michael Hampton

And ice roads.

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton We have enough. I just have weak teeth (despite excellent care) plus I grind them. Really pissed off at my wife, she just waves a toothbrush near her mouth and has no cavities.

Cole

@MikeyB haha, it's interesting having a girlfriend who knows so much about teeth

MikeyB

2:23 AM

@MichaelHampton Straight-up Server 2008 User CALs or Device CAls

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB Well that's useless.

MikeyB

3:10 AM

@MichaelHampton Perfect for a useless OS then.

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB 2008? Didn't we all skip that one?

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton Maybe. We just installed a 2008 machine, now we have two Windows servers in the environment :p

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB Considering I've done almost all Linux for the last 10 years or so, this is something of a wild adventure.

The last time I seriously worked with Windows professionally, Windows XP was in beta.

Chris S

3:38 AM

GAWD; I hate when Linux people weigh in on FreeBSD questions and assume the same incantations, archaic semantics, and general bullsh*t from Linux should work.

Michael Hampton

Isn't that why we have downvoting?

MikeyB

@ChrisS I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT YOUR OS BUT IN LINUX I WOULD DO THIS

@ChrisS link?

Chris S

0

Q: Apache recompile does not find new OpenSSL

I'm trying to upgrade both Apache and OpenSSL at the same time. I've gotten Apache compiled with all the modules I need, and it pops up and runs, but still shows an old version of OpenSSL. Here is my config command: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache2.2.24/ --with-ssl=/usr/local/openssl-1....

@MikeyB It's not that bad, but a trend I see frequently.

WHY NO GAME OF THRONES THIS WEEK?!?!

>=[

freiheit

@ChrisS The heart of your answer matches what I'd say on Linux: "use the friggin' built in tools to get apache the right way instead of trying to compile it yourself". :)

@ChrisS Memorial Day

MikeyB

@ChrisS oh jeebus he's not using ports?

Chris S

3:43 AM

@MikeyB He claims ports are broke, which makes me think he really has no clue, but whatever.

MikeyB

@ChrisS bah we are so behind. Have watched up to S1E1.

@ChrisS "It's broken." "SO FIX IT!"

Chris S

@freiheit I mostly agree, though I compile my own software frequently... but yeah, built-in tools and all

@MikeyB I think he's under the impression that "ports" is software or something, not just a directory full of convenience scripts

freiheit

@ChrisS Well, sure, and I compile plenty of stuff too, often packaging it up into RPMs. But I had a really good reason for compiling myself that wasn't "the standard tool is broken".

Chris S

ah - ports packages come with -O, I tend to like -Os or -O2.

Turbo button

On personal computers, the turbo button is a button which changes the effective speed of the system, making equipment run faster (or slower) in some way. The name is based on that of a forced induction air compressor which makes a car go faster (a turbocharger). Effect The turbo button usually accomplishes this by either adjusting the CPU clock speed directly, or by turning off the processor's cache, forcing it to rely on the significantly slower main memory for memory accesses. The button was generally present on older systems, and was designed to allow the user to play older gam...

=]

freiheit

@ChrisS That car makes me think of Gentoo...

Chris S

3:51 AM

@freiheit Yes... I might have borrowed it from the gentoo hate page: funroll-loops.info

Michael Hampton

Welcome to Server Fault. Unfortunately your question appears to be off topic as there's no obvious connection to professional system/network administration. You may wish to visit our sister sites Unix & Linux or Raspberry Pi to see if one of them may be a better fit for your question. — Michael Hampton 8 secs ago

Chris S

@MichaelHampton PUNT!

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Yeah, I would have, but...

Only 16 hours left to cast your ~~SQL injection~~ votes in the moderator election!

4

Chris S

4:14 AM

Question includes the problem as "it does not work", so I asked for clarification. Got "the devices cannot detect the server". OH! Well that's a horse of a different color! No, not really. Try again.

Michael Hampton

Hey, at least I'm having a fun evening.

Chris S

ha ha

I'm programming. It's sexy time.

Michael Hampton

The RemoteApp thing is kind of nice though. Sort of reminds me of... the X Window System.

Adrian

4:32 AM

@MichaelHampton X Forwarding actually kinda rocks if tunneled through SSH.

Chris S

I feel like throwing something....

Michael Hampton

Throw an exception.

No Internet access, huh?

$ host dns.msftncsi.com
dns.msftncsi.com has address 131.107.255.255
dns.msftncsi.com has IPv6 address fd3e:4f5a:5b81::1

Idiots.

Andrew

5:07 AM

0

Q: Bash scripting rsync puzzler

Frustrating. The script below work for the first two targets, but not the second. #!bin/bash ... backitup () { Todaysdate=`date "+%Y-%m-%dT%H_%M_%S"` Sourcedir=$1 Destination=$2 Username=$(echo $Sourcedir | cut -f1 -d'@') if [ "$Username" = "root" ] ; then RSYNCPATH="rsync" else RSYNCPAT...

bash rsync

U&L baby

and this:

2

Q: Debian package creation: binary-arch and binary-indep targets

I'm trying to create my first deb so I don't know much about it yet. This is my 'rules' file at the moment: #!/usr/bin/make -f # Uncomment this to turn on verbose mode. export DH_VERBOSE=1 # This has to be exported to make some magic below work. export DH_OPTIONS %: dh $@ At the mom...

debian packaging deb

So, canonical questions... how about these:

"Why is package management my best friend (and I should never install from source)"

"Why do I need to run updates on my servers anyway, I like my 500 days uptime"

Ward

@MichaelHampton One reason for looking at Samba4

Michael Hampton

@Ward I have to serve a Windows program with remote desktop services. Samba 4 isn't much use there.

Ward

Ugh.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton BTDT for stupid ActiveX-only websites that are sabotaged to fail on anything but IE.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, not at all what I thought I'd be doing, but hey, the economy sucks..

@Adrian QuickBooks.

Adrian

5:23 AM

@MichaelHampton Yeah. $job[-2] moved to SAGE Accounting about 4-5 years ago. Same deal.

Michael Hampton

So here I am muddling my way through figuring out Windows remote desktop services. And whacking at little side problems along the way, like Microsoft putting a private IP address in the public DNS...

Ward

Man, I read some of the shit you guys put up with and think I'd better go offer up some prayers for the one I lucked into... no BS, no Quickbooks...

Adrian

Heh. I wouldn't mind that right now. It's a devil I know. I really hate not working.

Chris S

I support 4 different versions of QuickBooks at any given time officially, and about a dozen versions unofficially. Not counting different editions.

Iain

6:31 AM

G'day

Michael Hampton

7:18 AM

Ahhh, TomTom and his magical phone, again.

tombull89

7:37 AM

@MichaelHampton \o/

It can't punch people through the interwebz, though.

Andrew

@MichaelHampton where!

Michael Hampton

3

A: Webmail server to send 10000 mails per day

So we send more than 10000 emails per day. Given that a day has 86400 seconds that is a seriously non-existing rate of one email per 8.6 seconds. My phone can do more. If the Ip is blocked by Spam, what I need to do. Do not send spam. Email marketing generally is seen as spam unless pe...

Andrew

@MichaelHampton "Email blasting" - yeah, that sounds like spam to me. Terminate with extreme prejudice.

flag-worthy?

Michael Hampton

Yeah, well, I would have already nuked it from orbit but...

Andrew

I'm willing to burn a flag for that

Dan

7:54 AM

12 hours until election ends - I'm so excited

Iain

oh deary me - SELinux gets in the way again ho humm

Michael Hampton

No... It's my BEDTIME!

Cold T

8:17 AM

morning all!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

8:39 AM

@Iain selinux and ipv6 are hard disabled on all of my systems as they always get in the way :)

Muhammad Raja

Morning

Is there anyway I can delete my server fault profile ?

Dan

@MuhammadRaja Can 't see why you need to, but: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/5999/…

Muhammad Raja

@Dan I have received enough criticism over here in last 2 days then in my whole life for asking couple of questions.

Dan

@MuhammadRaja I've seen the criticism, it was constructive and correct. I don't think anybody means you any offence, but it was clear you misunderstood the target audience of the site

Iain

9:04 AM

@DennisKaarsemaker it was easily solved when I raised my caffeine levels to the point of realising what the problem was likely to be

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Iain caffeine IV drip :)

Muhammad Raja

@Dan thanks

Chopper3

@MuhammadRaja are you a professional sysadmin? if so for how long?

2

-1

Q: Three routers behind eachother in the network; port-forwarding and wifi

I have setup the network throughout the house, but it is quite complex and often fails somehow. router #0 (192.168.0.1) which is also the modem and has incoming connection router #1 (192.168.1.1) has gateway to router #0 router #2 (192.168.2.1) has gateway to router #1 All three routers are w...

networking dhcp wifi port-forwarding

Muhammad Raja

@Chopper3 I am a SharePoint development and trying to learn sys admin in my own time.

Chopper3

@MuhammadRaja have you read our FAQ?

2

Muhammad Raja

9:16 AM

Most people don't read it to be honest.

Dan

@MuhammadRaja Oh, that's fine then. No, wait, I don't think that was the question

Chopper3

@MuhammadRaja most people do read it after they get criticism as they realise that perhaps the problem wad that they didn't read it thus they don't understand the objective of the site and the expectations of question askers and answerers.

Muhammad Raja

Sure, I will read it. Thanks

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Why not read it now, so you understand the criticism instead of deleting your account in a hissy fit?

tombull89

9:40 AM

Achievement unlocked: User Ragequit.

2

Iain

@tombull89 there are more than that - user:FailedToReadFAQ user:PostedCrappyQuestion user:QuestionWasClosed user:FailedToReadCloseNotice sigh

Journeyman Geek

lol