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3:07 PM
we have a housekeeper to do the shopping - do I win a laziest SF'er badge?
 
yes, you rich fuck.
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Isn't a housekeeper just a cleaner with a payrise and title bump?
 
it's not much more expensive than having a cleaner
great minds - yes basically
 
I'm hopefully going to afford a cleaner in the next few years
 
Just don't make a mess :P
 
3:11 PM
someone who just comes in every two weeks and cleans it all.. I can do the vacuuming and picking stuff up, i just absolutely HATE to wash
 
I'd have a cleaner, but it'd have to be twice a week
And they'd have to do the hoovering
I hate hoovering
Unfortunately, the awesome cat means hoovering is required lots.
 
@pauska A house cleaners who just scrubs your bathrooms every other week around here costs about USD $25/h (so roughly $150 to $200 per month).
 
wife comes from 'old money' so when I met her I knew she'd never be the type to clean, wash, iron, cook etc. at least I knew what I was letting myself in for
 
Dan
I want a cleaner, but I really want someone to do the ironing and that seems to get a bit pricey
Unless I can just pay them by the hour
 
@growse Is that something like running the vacuum?
 
Dan
3:14 PM
But as I'm trying to fund 2x car restorations and potentially a wedding, I'll just need to wait
 
Pricey projects... How I miss them.
 
Dan
:D
The 1x car restoration is all but done, 2x is just starting and the wedding will have to wait a few months yet
Wedding project that is, not the actual day
 
I'm married and have two mortgages that gobble all my money.
 
Dan
Ouch
 
If my bank account was a human it'd laugh at me instead of showing me the actual numbers.
 
3:19 PM
@ChrisS it is. Englishism.
 
I thought you owned a hovercraft for a moment there... really confused.
 
Dan
Hovercraft?
 
@ChrisS Life hack: stop looking at your bank account.
(and here comes the lol wtfs)
 
@Incognito Have to look to pay the CC Bill and make sure money is in the right place for the automatic mortgage payments.
 
@ChrisS Of course. I'm speaking from my own changes, I have my own bills and so forth. I used to stress out a lot about money, I felt it added a lot of useless stress to my life and stopped me from enjoying life. I'm at a place where I only look at my bank account every month or two.
Every month or two I move all the money where it needs to go, and repeat.
 
3:25 PM
Oh; well that's only my Credit Union account I'm looking at... I've got investment accounts around that I look at when I need an upper.
 
Dan
@ChrisS I know what one is :D I just wondered where it came from
 
In practice, I don't really want to spend money on things any more, I've gone from buying useless things like a 300$ pair of sneakers to just consuming less, cutting junk out of my life. It's weird, I'll blog about it all one day.
 
Dan
I still love my cars
But I've never spent much on other stuff apart from food
 
I used to blow through cash like a fool. I'm still young so I tell myself it was a learning experience, helps me sleep at night.
 
Dan
I've got some debt I wish I didn't have
But I'll be clear in 12 months!
 
3:33 PM
The Richest Man in Babylon is a book by George Samuel Clason which dispenses financial advice through a collection of parables set in ancient Babylon. Through their experiences in business and managing household finance, the characters in the parables learn simple lessons in financial wisdom. Originally a series of separate informational pamphlets distributed by banks and insurance companies, the pamphlets were bound together and published in book form in 1926. The Man Who Desired Gold Bansir, a chariot builder, has a conversation with his friend Kobbi, a musician. They bemoan the time...
You can pick up the book in a lot of bookstores for like 5-10$ or something.
 
@Incognito It's just money... Either you're still alive and can earn more, or you're dead and don't need it anymore. Either way it's nothing to lose sleep over.
 
@ChrisS Oh I know, but it's still unfortunate. Imagine if you will, having the fore-sight to have bought gold when it was only $800/ounce, and sell it at $1000/ounce because you wanted useless junk, even though you knew it was going up.
Part of the reason I sold it was: I looked at it every day. Hence: don't look at your money.
So unrelated to all of this-- is anyone familiar with spam filtering? I'm looking for SpamAssassin as a service that runs the probability checking on emails before being sent.
 
hai.
 
I want to know how something scores before I send it, which in theory should be possible.
 
@growse I didn't have much time to play with the zfs thing but you got the idea :)
 
3:39 PM
@Iain I do - thanks for your insight
although the replacing of about 15 pipe commands with a single sed made me mini-rage
 
@Incognito I run SA on my home e-mail.
 
@ChrisS Ever heard of something that runs just the checking system and returns a score?
 
@growse Time to lean sed
 
@ChrisS Indeed
 
@Incognito Sure, the spamc program will take the e-mail as stdin and dump it with score as stdout
If you just want a one off score you can send it to me and I'll tell you the score (my install is very vanilla). If you want to do that on a regular basis installing SA isn't terrible...
 
3:44 PM
I've just never played with SA before, it looks like a closed box of middleware from the website's description.
So I can basically install on my dev box, and pass text in, that's simple enough.
 
@Incognito It's just a bunch of Perl scripts... no magic smoke.
 
Perl is nothing but magic smoke.
 
Nah; the OO Perl stuff is Black Magic, but otherwise it's all good.
 
I had a neo from the matrix moment one day looking at my old server that does some reporting to see if this one website changed their JS files-- I looked through the index and saw some moni.pl and I just jumped back and said "What? I know perl?!"
Evidently, I know some perl.
Are you speaking of the new perl6 or something else?
 
Just reviewing the docs; looks like spamassassin-run -t < original.email > with_report.email will do what you want, and tell you in detail how the message got the score.
 
3:50 PM
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Q: SSH tunnel over multi hops using putty

xkcdI have a situation where I want to connect to a Linux machine running VNC (lets call it VNCServer) which is behind two consecutive Linux machines i.e., to ssh into the VNCServer, I have to ssh into Gateway1 from my laptop, then from Gateway1 shell I ssh into the Gateway2 and then from that shell ...

my quest for 1000 rep continues!
(HINT HINT)
 
@Incognito Perl 5 has OO Perl, maybe earlier versions too... I don't care for Object Oriented languages, but I'm incorrigible like that.
 
@PeterGrace Never mind about 1000 rep, what about that mod ♦?
 
@PeterGrace it's a dupe of loads
 
@Iain damn it, I can still get rep for it! :P
@tombull89 being an employee does not automatically cause one to become a moderator, the rules of the community still apply
 
Hell, I'll upvote anything with some nice markdown.
 
3:53 PM
@PeterGrace 1 downvote coming up!
 
@PeterGrace They didn't used to :) Aren't you suspicious that you're the only one without a diamond?
 
NOOOOOO
hahahaha
 
It's because they secretly hate you
 
@MarkM I think they do.
It's my dashing good looks, honestly.
 
Kyle and George both have diamonds. Do they haze you because you dont?
 
3:54 PM
Woot, thanks for the upvotes. 90 rep to go before new years
 
Stick you with the check, give you wedgies, etc?
 
@markm nope -- they also have pretty ridiculous rep and street cred.
 
BTW, you picked a shitty time to leave Pottstown. They just opened a Popeye's Chicken on High street
 
I know!
That's about a mile from my house, in fact
it's funny, on Friday night the drive thru line pours out onto high street
you'd think it was good food!
 
haha right
 
3:56 PM
honestly, I go there and buy biscuits.
 
I had to bring a cooler to the other half that she forgot when she went to work last weekend and I decided to stop there on the way.
 
They have ridiculously good biscuits.
 
Yeah, I crushed my biscuit immediately.
 
hurrah we're actually getting our christmas bonus this year
 
Sometimes we order from a pizza place in bridgeport and they have amazing garlic rolls. She'll want to split a pizza and some wings or something and I just want half a dozen garlic rolls
 
3:58 PM
@RobMoir HUZZAH!
@MarkM Which place?
 
that's what we all said @petergrace

It all helps!
later folks
 
Seeya, Rob.
 
@PeterGrace Dino's
 
@MarkM I don't know if I've had from there before. I know some people really rave about Franzone's, but that might be more Conshohocken.
 
Is it me, or are vSphere 5.0 syslog messages oddly formatted?
 
3:59 PM
I also like it because our receipt always says that "Luigi" is our server, no matter who actually delivers the pizza
@PeterGrace That place SUCCCKS!! I just wrote a terrible Yelp review for them
 
Don't like spiral sauce?
 
They sent us a coupon in the mail for a free large cheese pizza for eat in, delivery or take out, no strings
I called
they said oh we're not delivering that any more too many people want it
well no shit you gave away a free fucking pizza you dick head
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so i told him i wanted wings and a soda too and asked if theyd deliver then
 
LOL
while supplies last
"How do supplies of pizza run out at a pizza place?!"
 
so they did, but he never subtracted the coupon, charged my credit card the full amount and it was literally room temperature
i told them if they didnt fix the charge id just dispute the whole thing with Amex
 
ah, that sucks.
 
4:01 PM
After i put the room temp pizza in the oven for a bit it was good
but no way am I ordering from there again
 
yeah, their sauce is super sweet
 
Yeah, I liked it
 
@ChrisS Awesome, that works great. Is there a specific email format it's expecting? For instance, can I export something from MS Outlook as-is?
 
@Incognito It's expecting the raw ascii; in Outlook you can do a Save As on an e-mail and select "text" as the file type.
Outlook doesn't export the full headers; so it wont have any of the SMTP headers in it though, so be warned that SA will 1. Not be particularly happy, though that doesn't raise the score much 2. Headers can trip tests that might raise the score, so not having them will not run those tests... If the message was sent through SMTP you can view the headers of the e-mail and put them in the text manually.
Also, after you're done installing SA, make sure to run sa-update on a somewhat regular basis to keep the rules updated.
Having open rules allows spammers craft e-mails to avoid the rules; so the rules change from time to time to keep up.
 
@ChrisS Excellent. Thank you very much.
 
4:13 PM
Also, some people mess with the reputation rules. For instance, the only rule changes I have on my servers are: 1. If you have a SPF rule on your domain or if the e-mail is DKIM signed then +5. 2. If your e-mail passes the SPF or DKIM test then -10
I need to futz with the rule for DKIM domain policy... not sure if SA even looks it up by default.
Should probably also get a rule in there for DNSSEC...
I'll put those on my TODO list right next to graylisting.
 
amusing, we're having a discussion about DKIM here in one of the internal dev rooms
 
I don't currently use it, but it's on my list of things to implement. I do have SA checking DKIM on inbound e-mails if it's there.
I don't think very many mail servers, except the really big ones, check it...
 
Dan
Excuse the spam: Brian Madden posts:

BrianMadden.com
According to what people write on LinkedIn, 10287 people have VDI skills. That's like 10 peeps per implementation! http://t.co/eUjKEUj9
Just another reason to ignore LinkedIn
 
Dan
Didn't we have her this morning?
 
4:23 PM
I thought so too
 
Dan
Cheeky cow
 
4:34 PM
hello everybody! little request... could somebody please create a gunicorn ( gunicorn.org ) tag? I think it would be very useful!
 
Is 23 questions containing gunicorn enough for a tag?
 
waits for something spectacular to happen
 
@growse one question is
@Stefano done
 
@Iain Fair enough
 
@iain thanks!\
that was quick!
 
4:37 PM
@Stefano he's secretly a ninja
 
I think that's the 1st tag I created so now I have a slim chance of a new badge at some point
@Stefano easy things are quick
 
LOL @ both of you
 
@Stefano as you know something about it please write the tag wiki and it's excerpt
 
@iain fair enough, doing so!
 
4:56 PM
Hellow, lurvely people - and @ScottPack.
 
@WesleyDavid qock
 
@Zypher's here, everbody scatter!
 
haha, how long before I am as universally feared!?
 
@PeterGrace no ♦ no fear
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5:17 PM
@PeterGrace fear? THERE IS NO FEAR
@Iain I used to fear ♦, until I took an arrow to the knee.
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Fear what? You can't be any worse than my ex-wife.
 
@Shads0 :) I must get that game - will my GeForce 8400GS be good enough ?
 
@Iain probably not because my 8800 barely likes it
which is another reason that I can't wait for my x-mas bonus, gonna get me a rig with a 580 >=D
 
:(
 
@Iain You really want to play this game at peak graphics performance anyway, its effin beautiful
Xbox alone looks decent, but looking at it on PC with at least High settings blows it out of the water
I almost can't play my xbox copy anymore because I got spoiled by it
 
5:32 PM
ah the sad trombone of the end of a console era with nor replacement in sight :)
 
Don't get me started how a machine running OS/2 could probably outperform today's consoles
:)
 
^ Saw that at the top of my facebook feed when I got back to my desk from lunch. Thought I'd share.
 
Imagine my surprise when I pull into the driveway for lunch and see, in my front lawn, a bush with tits all about it.
Damn things flew away before I could take a picture.
 
WOOHOO FUCK YOU SELINUX I FUCKING WIN
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... you may continue you conversation now ...
 
So what were you doing wrong?
 
5:42 PM
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A: CentOS 6 kickstart ignoring 'selinux --disabled'

valpaYou may need to try kickstart GUI tools to generate one, and check selinux item inside.

had to turn selinux off before the installer booted
 
Woah, wtf. I see offensive flags in chat now?
 
@Ia
@Iain I don't know about you, but I did get a Tag Editor badge ;-)
 
 
@ScottPack you broke 10k
 
@Zypher So 10k system wide is all it takes for seeing the flags in all chat rooms?
 
5:44 PM
ja
 
@ScottPack With great rep comes great annoyance
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So does this mean that I can ban @WesleyDavid now?
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@ScottPack sadly not :P
 
Then wtf's the point?
 
5:48 PM
@MarkM That is fantastic
 
@Iain If we flag enough of his posts, one will eventually get to @ScottPack for review.
 
@MarkM interesting idea
 
It shouldn't be too hard to find one of his that's offensive, and by one, I mean all of them.
 
@ScottPack It doesn't even have to be
You have the power to vote!
 
@MarkM outside of this room most of them would probably be flagworthy too
 
5:49 PM
Offensive is in the eye of the beholder, and for some awful reason, that's you now!
 
@MarkM Strictly speaking, sure. But if you're going to string someone up, you might as well pick a valid reason instead of a random one. Looks better in the history books.
 
@MarkM It's interesting to note that the m.SO post on chat flags has gone nowhere as well
 
History is written by the victors. Now are you a winner or a loser?
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@MarkM I only have two eyes and don't float. Sorry.
@MarkM My primary job role lies in the realm of risk management. I don't like to leave things to chance. :)
 
@Stefano great, the badge that I may get is taxonomist but it'll likely take a while if ever
@Shads0 what would be a low to mid range nvidia card for playing Skyrim then ?
 
5:55 PM
Can someone who follows me on twitter let me know if my tweet to @plragde that starts with ".@plragde Pretty sure" shows up in your normal timeline (22min ago)?
 
@MikeyB Not in my normal timeline but when I look at your tweets I see it
 
@MikeyB it should. Am I following you?
 
@MikeyB Same results as @MarkM -- I'm using twitterific/iPhone. Not in my timeline, but I see it in your feed.
 
@voretaq7 You're not following me :)
 
@MikeyB well... we should fix that.
 
6:08 PM
@jscott Dammit. I thought it was the leading '@username' and not the reply context that hid tweets from other feeds.
 
@jscott that's how it used to work.
then twitter made it "better"
 
@voretaq7 Fucking twitter.
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The BBB of MI has a message at the bottom of their official newsletters (e-mails) basically ripping ICANN a new one over their new TLDs. Nice to see more or less non-technical people get it too.
 
@jscott I see that a lot with iPhone users. Their @ replies lead with a '.'
 
I'm a sick, sick puppy indeed but there's a post on reddit right now about a dude who watched just about every 'shock site' video there is and comments on them - don't look at it, it'll damage you
 
6:20 PM
damnit @Chopper3 i would probably have glanced past that one , but you ahd to mention it
 
@Holocryptic And that used to be useful for injecting a reply that people wouldn't normally see into people's timelines. Argh argh argh, it's time to seriously look at identica clients :p
 
don't do it, it's vile
 
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Q: Debian MD software nested RAID0+1 autoassemble issues

SergeI'm starting out with software RAID on Linux and hit a roadblock when using a nested RAID schema. I have three small disks that I'm RAID0ing, and then RAID1ing with a partition on another larger HDD. In effect, this leads to a RAID0+1 scheme, with a RAID1 of a physical partition and a RAID0 parti...

I almost knocked myself unconscious from facepalming
 
@MikeyB ah, I see. I was wondering if that was a bug or a feature. That's one of the things I don't like about mobile TweetDeck. I can't see @ replies to people I'm not following. I can on the PC version though
 
@Holocryptic Can you see if that particular tweet shows up on the website?
@MarkM It's not that bad… OK it's ugly, but it's not facepalm bad.
 
6:27 PM
@MikeyB Come on now. It's pretty bad
 
@MikeyB looking now...
 
Evening bitchies
 
@MikeyB on the web I don't see it in my main timeline
@BartDeVos wenches
@MarkM Would that be a better fit on U&L?
 
Winches.
 
@Holocryptic I don't think anyone in their right mind has a reason to run disks that way
 
6:33 PM
 
Those too. I never was able to get one for my Jeep before I had to get rid of it
back in a bit
Those things are like 3k or more...
 
@Holocryptic I flagged it for migration... but that didn't happen apparently.
 
Anyone want some SU rep? ;)
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Q: Sync iCloud bookmarks with Firefox in Windows

MarkMI have four devices that I want to sync my bookmarks across: a Mac Mini, a Macbook Air, an iPad2, and a Windows 7 PC. I use Safari on the three Apple products and Firefox 8 on the Windows 7 PC. I use iCloud to sync my bookmarks with the three Apple devices, but this obviously leaves my Windows P...

 
Put your wench on a bench. Benches love wenches.
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@MarkM Tried it too, failed
 
6:43 PM
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Q: Enterprise class storage costs: $10k/TB. Are we paying too much?

KirkThe infrastructure team at my company charges $10,000 per TB for storage costs. They charge this to us (internal) when we have new projects and need more disk. Are we paying too much? Obviously a broad question, but please help out if you can. They claim we get 200,000-300,000 IOPS with respons...

I wish I still had close votes
 
@MarkM Only got it to work with IE/safari on Windows...
 
I was hoping there would be an addon or something
that would automatically export and import them to the IE bookmark store so that it looks like it's actually firefox native syncing but uses IE in the background
 
@MarkM Is it just me or is that freaking expensive. We pay 0.23 EUR/GB in our shared env.
 
though, I suppose IE would have to be running for that to work
 
@Iain price range? (sorry, lunch break)
 
6:44 PM
@BartDeVos I mean. yeah it's expensive but he has a huge IOPS number
Could be all SSD
 
@Shads0 no idea that's what I'm trying to find out
 
@MarkM True
 
Plus they could be associating other costs with it, like the cost of the shelf, HBAs, etc
 
Reccommended is at least a gtx260
 
A couple of good FC HBAs is going to put a big dent in that 10k
 
6:46 PM
The mid-grade 500 series is less than $200 which should run it at least medium just fine
 
Damn you guys for closing it - I was writing an answer :p
 
haha
 
@MarkM We're paying around $2-2.5k/TB, so he's almost 5x higher, but those IOps are impressive.
 
/drool
 
@MikeyB, setup xmarks and leave IE running in the background?
 
6:50 PM
@ChrisS "up to 200K-300K IOPs and as low as 0.03ms response time" Yeah, whatever. Let me introduce you to my "up to 90% off" sale.
 
The IOPS look like the FusionIO numbers...
 
@Shads0 ooooooooo
 
@Zoredache Would make more sense :)
 
@Shads0 That's sickening.
 
damn. Wish I had that kind of throughput.
 
6:51 PM
whats great about it (and most higher end cards now) when it starts to age, just buy a second one for cheaper than it is now, pop an SLI bridge on it and boom, sexy again
@MikeyB that plus a i72600k, gonna see if I can't keep the clock at 5.2 =3
At the very least, 4.4
 
@MikeyB I don't think I could get 200K IOps out of my SAN no matter how I fudge the testing...
 
Ugh. Problem ticket we just got in:
"The first one I set was working well, I installed SSH, and LAMP. When users started working on it, ssh went flickery preventing users to do their work remotely, including myself as administrator."
 
@MikeyB Ha ha
 
"I locked out the administrator account. Can u haz halp mee?"
 
@Holocryptic NO
 
7:03 PM
Swing and miss: serverfault.com/a/340942/3139 -- "I ran one mail delivery process per core"... yeah, so they mostly sat idle.
 
@Shads0 I usually point out that bribery is required to ensure my future silence concerning their mistake.
 
@AdrianK I'll take the bribe, but I'll still say no
 
I can't be that mean to my users. They're social workers and most are fundamentally good people. The ones that aren't get the BOFH routine though.
 
@JeffFerland ...
 
The 10k/TB guy is getting a bit indignant in the comments
He went to the whole "well google uses cheap disks, I guess they're dumb" route
Fucking people.
 
7:13 PM
@MarkM Lock the Q
 
@JeffFerland I've got no such power
 
@MarkM No, but the suggestion might be picked up by a diamond.
 
I wonder if he expects the other department to provide his said service with no overhead. We don't exactly work solely for the honor of serving...
 
Our underpinning contracts are pretty sharp I must say
 
7:29 PM
@ChrisS Meh, I can get 30K IOPS on a single LUN out of my shitty Engenio on 2Gbps fabric. I'm sure decent hardware could do better.
@JeffFerland Way to do the research… or not.
See that, bitch? That's how you research something.
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@MikeyB Add it as an answer and I'll upvote it...
 
@JeffFerland Strictly speaking, I probably can't :)
 
7:45 PM
@MikeyB Por Quois?
 
pour :)
 
@BartDeVos qhatever :P
 
@voretaq7 "Private research" and all. Hey, I gave him the 80 mails/sec*core*GHz number, that'll do him.
 
I'm lucky I got the letters in the right order for quois with my 1 year of French :P
@MikeyB INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE! RELEASE THE GNUS!
 
@MikeyB Oi... I just got raked for not running my own benchmarks on a full server-server test when answering a StackExchange question?
 
7:48 PM
@JeffFerland Not you, the asker :p
 
Oooohhhhh....
 
@MikeyB @JeffFerland too - c'mon, doesn't everyone have a lab with 100 64-core machines to test in?
:-P
 
I should write you guys a blog on "how to benchmark"... i've seen too questions that need a link to that.
 
@BartDeVos lol@HTTP/429
the one for conflict is great too.
 
:rummages for HTTP/402 image:
 
@voretaq7 I was linking to the whole set :p
 
Now THAT'S a HTTP/402 image.
 
@voretaq7 nice
 

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