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4:00 PM
@WHATEVERDave Sorry, I didn't wanted to be rude. Your suggestions are welcome.
 
Dog
:D
 
It's just that I've become pretty much disillusioned with how things are set around here
 
Dog
Hey it's the first time I've set up a real routed router of my own on the internet
Everything else has been NAT gateways and pretend routers
 
@Bob it appears to be
if it supports mods that's awesome
that might be a console I would actually buy... O_O
haven't owned a console since Sega Genesis
but that thing seems like it's way better than a tablet... gaming first, but surely can also watch videos (I hope)
would rather have that than a Nexus Whatever or iPad
also Skyrim is a killer launch title
 
Dog
lol every time they pick up the phone the router crashes
On the plus side, that reset the NAT glitch that stopped me connecting to my server
 
4:06 PM
@WHATEVERDave If you're suggesting mounting remote Win volumes... We're currently, albeit slowly, migrating away from Windows (which we were not supposed to even be using in the first place).
 
I'll give Nintendo credit: they evoked the intended use cases of the device exceptionally well
 
@allquicatic Wasn't the Wii U supposed to be something like that?
 
either their ad is VERY good, or I'm just their target market, because that's awesome
wtf... March 2017?! come on guys... lol
don't tease me 6 freaking months in advance
if you're going to release an ad about something in October it better ship by Christmas
 
3 mins ago, by That Brazilian Guy
@allquicatic Wasn't the Wii U supposed to be something like that?
 
seriously
@ThatBrazilianGuy yeah but who cares about the Wii U, that's so last gen
 
4:11 PM
I've only interacted with "regular" consoles.
The ones where each generation is bigger, better, faster, more resolution, more everything, but the paradigm is pretty much the same from the Commodore 64 to the Xbox One and PS4
This new console might be the first instance where it would be appropriate to use the word "disruptive".
I have only heard vaguely about the Wii U so I don't know where it would fit in this scenario
 
Dog
Woop and all my servers are back up
 
Bob
@allquicatic tegra, so prob not :\
at least not the pc mods
4 hours battery life is a bit iffy but not terrible
 
Hmm, all the stuff in this flash drive are corrupted pretty badly by some virus (or so I've been told). Anyone has any idea if it is recoverable?
 
Dog
@Bob: You're going to bed soon right?
 
Bob
@Dog I should be asleep already :P
 
Dog
4:21 PM
@arda Or nothing to do with a virus
 
@Bob 4 hours of battery life is fine for most use cases: either you're on a short hop and don't care about plugging in, or you're on a ridiculously long flight and you have a charger
 
Dog
Why does everytime anything fails everyone screams "Virus"
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@arda Are the contents of the files meaningful at all?
 
@Bob hopefully a good tegra instead of cheap tegra... one thing Nvidia probably has over A10 Fusion is the potential, at least, to make a more powerful GPU in that SoC
 
Dog
Is it recoverable? Maybe. Depends on your skill with data recovery software (and operations)
 
Bob
4:22 PM
@Dog this one legitimately looks like it could be some kind of ransomware :P
 
depends on how they price it though... if it's a $200 device, it's probably weaker
 
Dog
Exactly this
 
Bob
but they probably wouldn't mangle filenames like that
 
Dog
@Bob Nah, that's totally just normal flash corruption
 
Bob
@allquicatic rumor was some X2 variant iirc
custom, though
 
4:23 PM
The other flash drive inserted at that same pc had newfolder.exe virus in it... so...
 
Dog
Random file sizes as well, all below 4GB (FAT32?) yet >100GB of files...
 
@Bob probably around 256 Pascal CUDA cores... that's pretty nice for a handheld
 
Bob
@allquicatic compare older DSi at 10+ hours though
 
Dog
Also notice two precisely OK files (that were in the non-corrupted part of the FAT)
 
@arda i like the W00 file
 
Dog
4:25 PM
@Burgi Hah!!
@arda If you actually plan on recovering it, you should start with standard data recovery protocol and treat it like any data recovery job
 
@Dog <I have no experience with that>
 
Bob
@allquicatic no way it's going to be $200... I'd guess launch price to be a minimum of $300
 
if it is a flash drive it is probably dead
 
Bob
3DS was $200
Wii U was $300-$350
 
@Burgi yeah, I'll likely have to explain mom why she should backup once again
 
4:27 PM
@Bob it depends on whether they're willing to sell the device at cost or at a loss in order to profit from consumers buying games and content
 
Bob
@allquicatic good point
 
(she also had her iphone die twice, losing all her pictures)
 
the Chipworks teardown of the iPhone 7 says the base model iPhone 7 costs $275 to buy the components (in bulk) from the third-parties that sell Apple the components
 
Bob
but since this does cross into the home console space, it wouldn't be surprising if it were around Wii U price
 
it might end up costing them less because of volume agreements or whatever
 
4:28 PM
I hope the switch is cheap
 
I'm going to wager a guess that the Switch, having more complex design than even an iPhone, and physically larger screen, plus a very advanced SoC of its own, probably costs at least $200 to make
plus Nintendo might not get as good of a deal on parts than Apple
 
are Nintendo still going?
 
the A10 Fusion allegedly costs $40 USD per unit (sold in bulk) from TSMC to Apple
 
@Bob I'm dubious about it being Maxwell still instead of Pascal. Unless they're still on 28nm (!) or somehow die shrunk Maxwell to FinFET 16nm
 
Bob
4:32 PM
@allquicatic if that was true, it's possible that the dev kit is different
> The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards.
I hope that means Pascal
 
I mean, for a device landing in 03/2017, it had better be Pascal, unless the price is very low
 
Bob
@allquicatic They might've even used a Tegra X1 in the dev kit
 
@Bob what level of insulation would APIs provide to architectural changes like Maxwell to Pascal, though?
I mean, if we're talking Direct3D or OpenGL, the API provides fantastic insulation
Vulkan? probably still okay between those two architectures
 
Bob
@allquicatic Nvidia blog claims new custom API
 
@Bob huh.
 
Bob
4:34 PM
> NVIDIA additionally created new gaming APIs to fully harness this performance. The newest API, NVN, was built specifically to bring lightweight, fast gaming to the masses.
@allquicatic Claims Pascal here: gamersnexus.net/news-pc/…
 
You would think that even an Nvidia-specific, platform-specific API "NVN" would be resistant to chip architecture level changes, to account for a next-gen Switch in 2-4 years running on a new Nvidia architecture that can still run games released for the original Switch
 
Bob
but no source...
 
after all, the AMD-specific API that became Vulkan (I forget the name) that was "exclusively for GCN" worked between GCN 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2
it's not like they're releasing a kernel module whose userspace ABI is literally the instruction set of the GPU
(I hope)
when they say API they probably mean something that can do useful things on top of the raw instruction set of the GPU, because that's super low level
 
Bob
lol
hopefully
 
must be hard as hell to hire developers to port Direct3D game engines to NVN though
"Do you have any experience using NVN?"
"What's that?"
 
Bob
4:38 PM
@allquicatic well, they seem to have Skyrim working!
that must've been a hell of a struggle
of course, the trailer footage was probably rendered on a pc anyway...
 
@Bob frankly, the way it probably works is Nvidia provides dedicated people to both Nintendo and the third party devs who have knowledge of both NVN (from internal training and/or actual NVN developers) as well as D3D, who can sit there and either coach the game devs or actively port it for them
you're not going to introduce a completely new 3d rendering proprietary API without putting significant numbers of man-hours into people helping game devs use it
 
Dog
@arda 1. Image the drive
2. Figure out what data recovery software you like to use and use it
(Or send image to someone else who knows more)
Tempted to go to John Lewis and try to buy a cheap tablet
But then no.... it's like a week till new Surface models may come out
 
@Dog don't you have like 5 already?
 
Dog
@allquicatic I have... zero
 
@Dog and new Macbook Pros :O
 
Dog
4:43 PM
I have one shitty laptop and two phones
 
I'm trying to figure out what credit card I might use for a new Macbook Pro if I break down and have a geek meltdown when they introduce a Macbook Pro with Touch ID and shit
 
Dog
@allquicatic Oh that might be interesting. Apple usually being the first adopters of Intel Iris Pro chips
 
@Dog Skylake Iris Pro on a 13" that can run AAA titles at 1280x800 on Medium/High?
 
Dog
But that aside, no touchscreen and no tablet convertability rule it out for me except maybe as a gaming desktop replacement, which Macbooks aren't exactly the best for
 
or 2560x1200 (?) on Very Low ;p
 
Dog
4:44 PM
@allquicatic Yeah
Or Kaby Lake
 
@Dog Kaby Lake Iris Pro would be super cutting edge
IIRC usually Macbook Pros are not that cutting edge with their Intel architecture usage
Broadwell MBP hit like a month before Skylake landed IIRC
or even after it landed
and that's the latest MBP
 
Dog
@allquicatic Hmm, but the Apple had Iris Pro's in Macbooks 6 months before anyone else
Even Skylake Iris 540 (non-Pro) beats the GeForce 930mx and get close to the 940m as it is
(While using half the power)
13/14" convertible with a GeForce 1040M is what I'm wanting ideally
(And/or Thunderbolt 3)
I don't get why Lenovo has a ton of perfect laptops except with their stupid proprietary OneLink+ port instead of Thunderbolt.
While everyone else has tablets and convertibles with two or more TB ports already
Which brings me to the Surface Book 2
Yeah I should wait for that instead of impulse buying and wasting money on crap I'll only use for 2 months
 
@Dog you're like the only other person I know who is this stupidly enthusiastic about new devices :D
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we could sit here and just gush about this stuff non-stop
 
Dog
5:14 PM
@allquicatic :-D
Test driving my new suitcases: success!
 
i wonder why you're not a property magnate with all the extra cash to buy awesome with
:/
I'm clearly doing something wrong
 
Dog
5:39 PM
@djsmiley2k its a long and complicated story
 
awesome
 
Dog
tbh I'd say it's a very un-aweseome story :-(
A story of the downfall of qasdfdsaq and the rise of Dog
 
/me shrugs
stories are fun
also your star about virus's is funny
these days virus's have become a thing that tries to stay hidden
the simple idea that a non-IT person might notice one is amusing at least
laughable at best
 
lol. Abusive post on AU referencing @JourneymanGeek and @jokerdino
 
Leave it.
 
Dog
5:44 PM
@djsmiley2k True dat. But it was someone else who posted that xkcd
I just oneboxed the image
 
@jokerdino I haven't done anything with it ...
 
I just feel there's no reason to talk about it or mention it.
 
Dog
Hmm?
I want to see!
 
@jokerdino Feel free to delete my post about it ;p
 
6:04 PM
@allquicatic I know someone else who would probably be a strong competitor to @Dog in that field.
...if I wasn't paid in BRL, that is.
 
yah
 
6:34 PM
Left overs of some virus are trying to autostart..
 
Autoruns is a pretty neat tool for managing auto-start things
 
Dog
Now that one is a virus
Also joy, Windows 10's bluescreens now have a QR code on them
 
Oct 5 at 1:49, by bwDraco
user image
 
You probably need to run it as admin
 
Dog
A virus protecting its own autostart, not that surprising
 
Thing is, all the viruses are gone
I've scanned with 5 different antiviruses
 
It probably changed the ACL on the Registry key
 
Dog
^^ This
Let me guess, you could fix it with Powershell? :-P
 
You could!
But it would be easier to do with regedit
 
Dog
6:41 PM
You cant copy and paste a sequence of regedit commands!
 
So apparently...
CCleaner did the job O_o
 
It probably activates SeRestorePrivilege and/or SeTakeOwnershipPrivilege, which are only available to admins (well not quite but basically) but have to be activated first
 
hm
crap dude
I can't get drivers for my wifi reciever D:
They only go up to XP..
 
...just buy a new one?
 
^^;
 
6:57 PM
Wacky idea: run an XP VM, passthrough the device to the VM (easy if USB, annoying but possible if PCI and you use VirtualBox), bridge the host-to-host connection and the Wi-Fi connection in the VM
Though I can think of several reasons for that to not work at all
 
Dog
@BenN I've done that actually with printer drivers
 
@Dog JUST GET A RASPBERRY PI
and use cups
 
Dog
7:13 PM
Can't wait till services get decoupled
Will be a lot easier to find and kill terminal services every time it crashes
 
Does anyone know how I can view (from the Linux console) the cache of all the DNS entries a BIND server has?
 
command being ran on the server @CanadianLuke?
 
?
Yes
I know I can use nslookup or ping or dig, but that's when you KNOW the name of the host
 
rndc dumpdb -cache
 
I'm looking to LIST all the records that have been dynamically added, say by DHCP, to the DNS list
OK let me try that
 
7:24 PM
file dropped in /var/bind/whereever
 
Nope, nothing
 
what, no file?
 
Nope. I'm running a find / -name "named_dump.db" right now... According to rndc's help page, that's the file name
 
:/
bind IS running?
 
Yes
I can do nslookup on known entries
 
7:32 PM
:/
 
But it seems the DHCP clients are NOT registering in BIND when their leases expire and a new address is given to them
 
wtfd
why is this chat room telling me there was no chat since an hour ago
since i was JUST chatting to @CanadianLuke .... (on the other pc)
where has the chat gone?! :/
 
7:50 PM
Who knows
Anyways, found the file. Looks like it has NOTHING for the local LAN
 
wtf where have my messages gone?!
 
I see them. Maybe refresh?
 
ok i had to join my other channel, and come back to this one to get stuff to show up
that was weird.
Now I can see it all again.
 
AH NICE
fun stuff i love isc bind
never knew dhcp had the ability to register dns in bind
is that something new?
 
norp
 
7:58 PM
i know there's dhcp's lease files that manage present assignments
but thats not in dns.. thats like part of dhcp i think its like /etc/dhcp.d/dhcp.leases or soemthing
something like that
 
Dog
I wonder how hard it'd be to build a VPN over ICMP
 
probably not difficult
a lot of providers dont even monitor icmp traffic, which would be ideal.
i do know that isps back in the days used to tunnel other protocols over that protocol to save on monthly bandwidth bills
 
Dog
@WHATEVERDave My "provider" seems to be able to only carry icmp traffic
 
Anyone good with network?
 
@DavidCole-GrammarPolice: maybe...
 
Dog
8:09 PM
I don't know if it's monitored but it's the only protocol that actually works reliably, while pings are low and packet loss is zero everything else still gets randomly blocked, throttled, or dropped >_>
Netowrk? Wotz a netowrk
 
I'm using uTorrent, but my router keeps blacklisting my MAC as DDOS...
 
I never torrent..
:(
 
If you've got a better way of obtaining MAC software, lay it on me
 
macworld.com jk jk
wish i could help you out there.
 
I wonder if Windows will support a direct connection...
Lemme test...
OMG IT DOES
YESSS
 
8:18 PM
 
@DavidCole-GrammarPolice just get a seedbox
 
Dog
20 mins ago, by WHATEVER Dave
http://thomer.com/icmptx/
 
Oh
 
Dog
Doesn't work (easily) on Windows unfortunately
Slightly buggy code from 8 years ago... lol
I'm pretty sure it'd take only like 10 lines of code into OpenVPN's UDP transport layer to do this but I'm no coder
I wonder if this gateway will just accept malformed and/or replay packets
netcat ftw
 
Ergh
60 mpbs from Optimum, 6.3mb/s from torrent
 
Dog
8:33 PM
ICMP NAT hole punching ftw
Dangit for that I need a linux VM
 
lol
I've got Ubuntu on a second drive
for making a Windows USB when microsoft fails me sometime soon
 
Dog
Damn netcat can't do ICMP
 
Dog
9:43 PM
I'm wet.
@allquicatic Yeah, I've heard of that. Problem is, ICMP has sequence numbers, which UDP doesn't.
Some firewalls apparently only allow one ICMP packet through for each outgoing request, and either discard based on sequence number(s) or remove the NAT entry.
oh hping2
 
Dog
10:00 PM
Thanks @allquicatic. Not sure if it was intentional but the UDP hole punching article led me to a ICMP-capable netcat alternative
 
@Dog oh cool, glad I could help
 
Bob
10:41 PM
lotsa smoke
that was a fun walk
felt like sneezing the whole way
@Dog isn't it normally the other way around?
 
We should put a limit on how many Daves are allowed here. Too many Daves...
 
Official kernel (with or without third party kernel modules) live patching for Ubuntu - rebootless - with no subscription fee for up to three boxes
effectively free because you can just use a new email address if you want more than 3
I unsubscribed to kernelcare
 
Bob
@allquicatic o.O
 
Bob
11:24 PM
Windows Continuum. Ubuntu Convergence. Nintendo Switch?
:P
And Nintendo's one will probably be the first to be widely used.
 
you forgot Apple Continuity
holds breath rebooting my server
for feature updates and new zfs and such - also a full restart of all the daemons that have been updated
 
Bob
@allquicatic Completely different...
 
@Bob oh. true. I am just now looking up what Continuum does
 
Bob
The Apple thing is only about linking various Apple products together, but they still do independent processing.
 
I really wish they had something like that for iOS, but then again they would rather you buy an MBP or iMac
it's not like the hardware isn't capable
 
Bob
11:31 PM
Continuum, Convergence and Switch are all about literally connecting a big screen to the handheld device.
 
hell, the A10 Fusion could probably run Mac OS X well
 
Bob
Well, Continuum also works when connected to a Win10 machine, but I'm not sure how that mode works.
 
only question would be RAM
and binary compatibility
 
Bob
@allquicatic Binary compat would kill it, IMO
 
but Mach-O binaries already support multiple architectures by design, so they'd just have to compile dual-arch
AMD64 and AArch64
instead of PowerPC and x86 and AMD64
 
Bob
11:33 PM
Though they do have the advantage of fairly tightly-controlled hardware.
 
the challenge would still be getting third parties on board
I imagine they could do some kind of fusion of iOS and OS X that doesn't require a VM and just containerizes OS X while "sharing" some of the underlying "kit" infrastructure
that would be awesome imo
it's the same kernel :P
just somewhat different userlands
 
Bob
@allquicatic Depends what you mean by well, I suppose.
Haven't really looked into how Continuum/Convergence perform.
IIRC Continuum was limited to Store apps anyway.
 
Dog
11:48 PM
@Bob Dunno about "Normally". Lots of people seem to mention ICMP being throttled or given low priority but I've never seen it happen, far as I'm aware it's a myth
@allquicatic Hmm, tempted to upgrade to 16.04
> Keep servers always on

Run your servers for years without a reboot.
What you're saying I shouldn't do that anyway?
> 21/10/2016 00:50:29 [root@vs2.qasdfdsaq.com:~] $ uptime
00:50:30 up 776 days, 5:42, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
That damn chmod
Probably going to reach just over 780 days, and then it's going away forever, without me having ever fixed the damn chmod
I basically just kept it up for 2.5 years instead -_-
 
@allquicatic and different architectures
Completely different ones
 
Dog
Kernelcare sounds nice though
!!caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
 
@Dog That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
3
 
Dog
Close enough...
!!caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
 
Dog
11:57 PM
Not bad for a random guess
Hey guys I need to transfer 3 terabytes but I'm too lazy to do it
 
Cattle prod time?
 
Dog
@Bob: Remember when I mentioned RDP feeling fast?
That's all been without hardware encoding and decoding
 
Bob
:\
@Dog so is it faster with?
can it even use hardware encoding?
 
Dog
@Bob Presumably that's why they included the feature, yeah
 

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