@OliverSalzburg remember that fix for scrolling on mobile chat I did? for chat reply helper? turns out that only works on mobile view with desktop user agent

@Bob Yeah, it's capable of using Intel Quick Sync, NVidia's thing, and probably AMD too

mobile view with mobile user agent stuffs everything up

Basically anything that complies with whatever the equivalent of VFW or DXVA is these days

@Dog WDDM?

oh wait no

never mind

> As part of the AVC 444 mode in RDP 10 we solved the challenge to get 4:4:4 quality text with 4:2:0 hardware encoders / decoders. In addition, with the AVC 444 mode we were able to improve the frame throughput significantly, for example with 1440p we can achieve a consistent frame rates of up to 50 fps on standard hardware.

Compatibility oddity: Excel treats February 29, 1900 as a valid date even though it's not (century years are not leap years unless divisible by 400)

> With the Windows Remote Desktop Client (MSTSC.EXE) the AVC 444 mode automatically uses the AVC/H.264 Hardware decoder if available via the Windows DirectX Video Acceleration (DXVA) API. In addition, the GPU must be DirectX 11.0 capable and the H.264 hardware decoder must support Level 4.1 and BT. 709 Full Range color conversion. If the resolution of the remote session exceeds the capability of the hardware decoder, software decoding will be used instead.

> The RDP server can take advantage of any AVC/H.264 hardware encoder exposed in Windows via Media Foundation Transform and is therefore not hardware vendor dependent.

This persists all the way through Excel 2016. Wow.

"Windows Media Foundation Transform"...

My server has no GPU of any kind, and my client has a 5-generation old IGP

Maybe I should have kept that OVH order for that E3-1245v3

> Razer announces High-End Gaming Laptop Razer Blade Pro

Great, but you still haven't started selling the Blade in Europe like you promised two years ago

Then again I wouldn't expect anyone who announces a tie-up with the king of vaporware to distribute their products is going to have much success

@Bob Having successfully set up systemd unit files for several "custom" processes now (in /etc/systemd/system), I'm interested in setting up Cavil to have a unit file, and auto restart mechanism etc.

Need to somehow monitor nodejs and phantomjs and if either one dies, restart the whole shebang

@allquicatic Monitoring is hard, because you can't really tell if pjs hangs.

@allquicatic I suppose a keepalive of some sort could work.

At its most basic, inject a loop from nodejs/webdriverio into pjs, and if it doesn't fire for long enough just kill nodejs

@Bob we can use Daily timers to still restart it daily to take care of hangs, since knowing when PJS hangs isn't really easy... But I'd like to have it at least start on boot so that lxc start cavil (which gets started automatically on host boot) starts Cavil.

Better than that would be to have the keepalive fire on receiving messages from SE, so we can detect when cavil randomly loses the socket...

@allquicatic I've actually been meaning to look into proper keepalives cause the daily restarts are kinda nasty :P

Goal: reboot (as root, in the physical OS) shuts down and restarts entire (physical) box; box reboots automatically (check!); host OS comes up on its own (check!); all VMs and containers restart automatically (check!); buuuut... Cavil and a small number of other services don't restart automatically

Preorder for $1700 in the US or £2050 ($2500) in the UK? You've gotta be fucking kidding me

@Dog Surface? Macbook?

I could actually buy a return flight to the US for that

@allquicatic Razer Blade

ah

And that's not even the one I want - the one I want is £2650

of course

Now I know the UK is expensive but that level of UK tax is just fucking absurd

decent laptops have become hideously expensive

$800 more? GTFO

@allquicatic What annoys me is the value proposition... you can get like 80% as much for 1/3rd the price

But they all lack like one key feature for me, and is that one missing feature really worth tripling the price? Hard to justify :-/

@Dog I think the cost difference between a good-enough gaming PC for medium/high detail on current-year AAA games, and similar good-enough specs for a laptop, has been increasing in recent years

you can still build one hell of a nice desktop gaming rig at 1080p with a $200 RX480 or slightly more for a 1060 or 1070, but good luck getting that level of performance out of a laptop for under $2500

@allquicatic ironically I think its cause of the bottom dropping out the low end market

@allquicatic That's more on the rate desktops are improving, and the focus on power efficiency in laptops.

@allquicatic Challenge accepted

@Bob you think it's more about a (successful for the consumer) race to the bottom in the "good enough" gaming graphics market on the desktop?

@allquicatic most consumers are price concious - they'll buy whatever's cheapest

Gamers arn't

which is probably why most of the higher end stuff and innovation is on the high end

Huh, wow, the RX480 is faster than I expected

yeah, but I'm just sad that adding "on the go" to the idea of a good gaming PC carries at least a $1k - $1500 additional price tag on top of the cost of a desktop of comparable specs

I used to think it was the display, until I found an AOC DisplayLink 1080p 20" display -- IPS -- for $120 or so

@allquicatic We've kinda gotten to the point where it's pretty easy to get "good enough" within reasonable power and heat limits on a desktop, enough so that games are pushing up performance requirements, but that's still far more power than a laptop can spare.

@allquicatic pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defianceIII-15

$1350 without tax, GTX 1060, which is on par with an RX 480

@allquicatic having to have good/great performance is easy. Balancing that with cooling and powering it off a battery....

@Dog configured with 4 gigs of RAM, yuck

@allquicatic $1350 is with 16GB of RAM and an SSD

oh, nice

$1275 with the 4GB base config

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834233159

Yes it's a 965M but it was announced before Polaris/Pascal came out, so an updated version might arrive one day

I wouldn't expect a comparable GTX 1050/1060 equpped model to be a huge amount more

games are huge though so I'd rather replace that SSD with a 1 TB HDD until 1 TB SSDs are close to the same cost

dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/alienware-15-laptop/…

my goal of total device convergence (one day) still seems to be far, far off, sadly

$1699 for a GTX 1060, i7-6700HQ, 16GB RAM, and a shitty display with shitty SSD

what I want is to have enough horsepower under the hood of a laptop as to not need a desktop

and not have that laptop weigh 50 pounds

@allquicatic Yeah, well, every year it seems to come closer

And every year I'm frustrated that every model either lacks just one key feature or is just total vaporware

ideally I'd have two devices: laptop and phablet. boom.

I'd be happy with a convertable tablet/laptop with a GeForce 1040 in it

Or an updated GTX 1060 version of that Acer graphics dock

Tablet: Check. Laptop: Check. Desktop graphics with gaming dock: Check.

anyway @Bob if you want to hack on something for systemd based (auto-restarting when there's a problem, to the extent possible, or timer-based if not) Cavil that would be appreciated... we might even be able to contrib our work to Zirak and get Caprica Six to run the same

via rlemon who I believe runs Cap Six

the only piece I don't know about is how to detect unresponsive phantomjs

nodejs shouldn't hang

@allquicatic I can do that

@allquicatic There's two ways about this, really.

@allquicatic hm. Dosen't cavil just go catatonic when he's unwell?

If you make the assumption that node won't hang, then you can just use on-failure and I can make node exit (w/ error) if pjs keepalive stops

If node might hang, then use on-watchdog and we'll make node fire keepalives as well

...except there's no easy way to call sd_notify from node

@Bob I'm pretty sure node doesn't hang, because the webdriver.io methods all have timeouts built in, and it's fairly small, like 30 seconds I think

you could just use a webdriver.io basic thing like "give me the base html element"

and if it errors or times out, exit node

@allquicatic then the remaining problems to deal with are pjs itself hanging, and the case where cavil stops receiving messages

I still have no idea why the latter happens, nor how to detect it

@allquicatic: dell.com/en-us/cart/email/index/…

There's my response to your challenge :-P

@allquicatic expensive :P

if the socket dies but phantomjs remains operating correctly, that's a really tough case to handle

actully I don't think I've ever seen pjs just straight up hang

@allquicatic yea I've ssh'd in a few times and been able to send messages from cavil but never receive any

it was weird

that actually seems to be the most frequent error mode

which would mean digging in IO.js

I give you, GTX 1060, i7-6700HQ, 4K display, 16GB RAM, 1TB PCIe SSD and 1TB SATA HDD, 99Wh battery, and a hat, all for $2499.98

@Dog bleh :P it's a nice system but it's at the $2500 price point, not well below. oh well

"good luck getting that level of performance out of a laptop for under $2500"

anyway, if your goal was to just start on system start, you can do all that without worrying about pjs for now

very nice system (provided it doesn't melt at load)

I did, literally, for just under :-P

It was $2475, but I added the hat just to bring it up to $2499.98, closest to "under $2500" i could get

@Bob start on system start and use a timer in systemd to restart it daily?

...hat?

Alienware isn't exactly budget, nor the best value for money though

@allquicatic yea, would be the fast and easy case

So y'know, cut a few of those specs back and buy a non-overpriced chassis for well under $2500 :P

@Dog are there other companies that sell laptops with extremely similar specs but a better value? in the US?

don't want to cut back the good parts of the specs, that's a great system

@allquicatic Well the Gigabyte one from Newegg was similar

@allquicatic Clevo-based ones might be worth looking at

They tend to be a tad bulky, but they cram a lot in there. With room to spare (airflow).

xoticpc.com/aorus-x5-v6-pc3k3d.html <== I mean this is a start, not much cheaper but actually better GPU

i7 6820HK, GTX 1070, 256GB M.2 NVMe + 1TB HDD

what's a HK suffix?

Hong Kong :P H = top performance for mobile, K = overclocked

xoticpc.com/acer-predator-15-70xr.html Slightly older, with a GTX980M but $1799

@Dog nice

I'll deal with Cavil later, going home for now

Dunno if you have a particular preference for size, but $1825 will get you this GTX 1060 machine with 1TB SSD + 2TB HDD: xoticpc.com/msi-ge62vr-apache-pro-021.html?startcustomization=1

Or leave it with the base specs of 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD + 16GB RAM for $1474

@Dog I have an older 15.6" machine (Ivy Bridge with Fermi graphics) and a new Macbook Pro 13", and I definitely prefer the weight/size of the Macbook Pro :P unfortunately even getting discrete graphics in the MBP 13" form factor might be difficult to impossible

Basically there's plenty of cheap stuff, but ironically the less configurable it is the more expensive it seems to be, in the highly integrated, unibody, soldered flagships like the Razer Blade or Dell XPS

@allquicatic This is one thing that's hugely annoyed me recently.

and if it's there at all it'll be that shitty GTX 900.1MMMMM that's in the Surface Book

My current 12" laptop had an option for a dGPU, my previous 13" laptop had a dGPU, my previous 14" laptop before that had a dGPU

Yet these days, it's hard enough to find even a 940M in a <14" chassis, and for some stupid reason in the UK Lenovo's replaced it with a 920M.

maybe just hope and pray for playable performance with Kaby Lake Iris Pro in a MBP or similar small laptop?

@allquicatic Yeah

Sony is the only one who made a Skylake Iris (Pro?) laptop - 28w CPU with enough power to beat a 940M IIRC

Intel is quite nice with power efficiency in their GPUs, and their graphics drivers have been better of late too

And that was over $2000 too (a bloody nice convertible mind you, if it had Thunderbolt I'd have bought it...)

@Dog W230ST w/ 960M :P

@allquicatic That's cause their GPUs have been 14nm for years :-P

@Bob Erf, 960...

Nice find though, even if it's ancient

@Dog I have a W230SS w/ 860M. Which apparently isn't much different from the 960M.

Again Surface Book 2, decent 13" Macbook Pro, or new Yoga series is what I'm hoping for. Or refreshed Vaio Flip

It's... not terrible.

us.vaio.com/vaio-z-flip

Everything I want, except Thunderbolt/dGPU (either would be fine tbh)

Heck a 28w processor with Thunderbolt/GPU dock would beat the crap out of the Blade Stealth with its paltry 15w processor, maybe even the Alienware 13

Oh yeah, new Alienware 13 should be out in the next few weeks

(Wonder if it was delayed in order to wait for the GTX 1050 release?)

forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2016/10/19/…

@Dog They've crammed a desktop CPU in here: xoticpc.com/…

don't buy a new laptop until October 27th at least, to see if you do want the new MBP

Can go up to GTX 1070

@Bob Yeah, there's a few of those... I want a <14" convertible I can hold with one hand though

@allquicatic Rumours are new Surface hardware coming out on the 26th too, so yeah, this is gonna be an exciting few weeks

also Mac software (including games) are well known for making the most out of the hardware they do have

+ $100 for a 4k screen o.O

i7-6700k + GTX 1070 in a 15.6" laptop... huh.

@Bob What was it @allquicatic called it? Melting under load? :-P

Under $2500 too

New Alienware 13, new Macbook Pro, new Surface Book, now all I need is a Thunderbolt Vaio and I'll be spoilt for choice.

Course I've been looking for a new laptop since the beginning of last year so this is frustrating as fuck

why the hell is it that almost every major monetary purchase I'm interested in comes out in September-October every year?

new iPhone, new laptop lines, new albums, you name it

@allquicatic Back to school season?

I'm trying to make it to the end of the year without a major purchase here...

No wait, it's a bit late for that

Pre-christmas sales?

@Bob I bought a motorbike >_>

Recently: Xperia X Performance, Lenovo Miix 700...

I think my only other major purchase this year was my Galaxy S7

Though I did also spend a couple grand on flights

O_O

@Dog xoticpc.com/sager-np3245-clevo-n240ju-p-8800.html

ULV though

dammit

and not Iris Pro

bleh, never mind

ULV, no GPU, eww

Not even Iris standard!

Oh btw, not to brag or anything but I need to brag

I've been browsing the web, chatting, etc. using remote desktop over my mobile phone for the last hour or so... feels so fast and lag free I completely forgot I was even on RDP

I think Chrome must have some special offscreen render caching or something, it's just instantaneous to scroll, switch tabs, etc. Even Edge takes 3x longer

@Dog mln.com.au/search/… older :(

Heck I should probably stick it on 2G just for kicks

Oh here's the 960M ones. Which cost more than when I bought one over a year ago :\ mln.com.au/search/…

I'm not going anywhere near a 9xx series with a bargepole :-/

Just after waiting for so long for the 10xx series to come out, getting a 9xx now would be utterly nonsensical

Especially given the 10xx are literally twice as efficient

lol

Cam

cAn't believe RDP is so goddamn fast now. Almost fast enouguh for gaming, and it's not exactly optimized for ultra low latency

Steam in home streaming has got to be the fastest I've tried when it comes to full-screen gaming at low latency,

But even RDP is now an order of magnitude faster than the likes of UltraVNC and HP's streaming thing, both of which specifically advertised low latency

Come to think of it, the extra 20ms latency with Hetzner (40ms compared to 20ms with OVH) isn't much at all. Equivalent to one frame at 60fps, or the input lag of a typical monitor.

It's basically negligible

Heck, 10-20ms on a fast fibre connection might even be fast enough for VR streaming

Anyway, 2am, I'm hungry, gotta drive to mcdonalds...

Or not.

Decided I should save my money and just stuff my face with cookies and pringles. Every McDonalds I don't go to is another 2% of the way to a new laptop!

@Dog too bad there aren't any affordable dedis with the E3-1585 v5

Iris Pro P580 in a server - you could definitely play decent games over the 'net with that

A true desktop replacement in a thin form factor—but the price! tomshardware.com/news/…

@Dog That's a very cheap laptop... or a very expensive McD

@bwDraco Meh. Once you hit 17", I feel 'thin' becomes a tad meaningless.

Not that 2cm is particularly thin o.O

Also surprised that at that price and size they didn't just use a full desktop CPU.

Pairing a mobile CPU (granted, the best available) with a GTX 1080... interesting.

I suppose it's thin in comparison to the 3-4cm ones

Well, my laptop is about 45mm thick.

Apple won't stop until their iPhones are themselves (the entire device) 14nm ;p

Ideas? I can't tend to this question right now.

...and for some reason, IPv6 is disabled by default on the Nighthawk X4S. aargh

I enabled it yesterday but that this is the case really baffles me, especially because my ISP provides native IPv6.

@bwDraco Your laptop also doesn't really qualify as a laptop :P

> When all you have is TCP, everything looks like a stream.

@bwDraco there's no real standard ipv6 setup

I used two different methods on the same isp

@JourneymanGeek DHCP6?

Nope. Ipv6 Rd and slaac.

My dedi uses... Dhcpv6 with duid

And many modern routers do tunneling

And...

what is this ipv6 you speak of

Lots of devices/OSes Arn't ready. I think apt occasionally breaks on ipv6

@JourneymanGeek Windows has been "ready" since Vista IIRC

@allquicatic how's ipv6 deployment in the US?

is it anywhere approaching common yet?

@Bob yeah more or less

@Bob I doubt it

@Bob the Server 2003 codebase is fully "ready" as well, I think, so that's also XP64. And regular XP got it sort of patched in. Though they started doing it well with Server 2003 and Vista.

@Bob I've been on IPv6 for my primary Internet connection for years. A couple of major websites do in fact default to using it when it's available. It works out of the box on the Verizon Jetpack (my LTE modem/router), tethering over WiFi or USB.

It's a full "dual stack" setup on Verizon Wireless. I believe FiOS does IPv6 as well, but not Verizon DSL.

The biggest offenders in the lack of IPv6 at the home and small business ISP level are cable (coax to the premises, basically) and DSL companies. Google Fiber and other "fiber to the premises", as well as the major LTE carriers, all do full-blown dual stack IPv4/IPv6.

Still, considering probably most home Internet users in the U.S. get their primary Internet via a cable company, that means we have a long way to go still.

So typical US people are IPv4-only on their "main" connection but they have 2 or 5 or 15 GB of "metered" IPv6-enabled connection on their smartphones... Go figure

Heyheyhey

@Bob you can opt for it from one of the two ISPs here, but they don't give it to you by default

@allquicatic cable? TV cable?

We've been getting it through telephone lines for decades

TV cable was adopted for a short while when I very small or before I was born IIRC

@Rahul2001 yeah, it's a common, cheap way to get internet to a premises.

Tho most of what I've seen in India is vaguely dodgy local cable companies

@JourneymanGeek cable got stopped here... Now set top boxes are compulsory of you want to watch tv

And satellite has really picked up

@ThatBrazilianGuy a bash script could do all that for you so easily

morning

hooooo

morning peeps :)

hey

the senior account manager in client services is leaving today

all the girls in his team have dressed up like him

....

depending how he dresses this could be a good thing, or a bad thing...

or a neutral thing

i guess

but that'd be boring :P

I've finally found the perfect laptop. If only it wasn't so imperfect I'd buy it right now

@allquicatic funny enough similar position here. The biggest traditional players (the national cable and telcos) are the last to implement ipv6 though they're just about getting round to it now

@Bob oops I meant 0.2%

Though in Norway it could be both

$20 for a McD, $1000 for a craptop laptop

@allquicatic does that even exist?

@allquicatic tbh I'd take any iGPU just to enable hardware accelerated encoding but I wouldn't take any form of remote gaming seriously when 90% of the time I'm in a place where the fixed line "broadband" connection can't even support regular online gaming

same in the UK

I think bt said something along the lines of 'we aren't even looking at IPv6' in mid 2014

and Virgin Media weren't much better

@djsmiley2k Regarding...?

Why everyone here keeps making the same typo when writing "IPv4"?

@ThatBrazilianGuy What typo?

@ThatBrazilianGuy something about some task you had to do on linux server copying a database and changing permissions, scpping it and changing them back

:D

/me goes IPv5

@djsmiley2k I'm on mobile right now, but I think I said a few times I do have the scripts ready.

What kind of Super User would I be if I wouldn't replace a job for a small script automate boring tasks?

Well i was wondering :P

@Bob I don't remember the fix

@djsmiley2k Even with the scripts it's still too many steps for me, and I want to cut a few more

@ThatBrazilianGuy SCIRPT ALL THE THINGS!

AND TPYO A FEW!

I am in a support call with the most clueless Arcserve tech yet

They send me some SQL script, which seems to be a hotfix for some bug we're seeing. And now he asks me which SQL database to run it on

So I explain to him that the database to run it on is probably the one related to their product and not one of mine, so he should tell me which one to connect to

Huh. Somehow never heard of them

I had to rephrase that 3 times until he got what I meant

@ThatBrazilianGuy They were CA before

Still doesn't ring a bell.

I haven't been in the enterprisey side of the force for much long...

It's horrible. They were recently sold and they moved everything to India

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but this is really the worst case of outsourcing I have ever seen

It feels like whenever I'm in a support call, I have to explain the application to the tech

And then they wanted that I run the SQL script in SQL Server Management Studio. I explained to them that it's not installed and a 1GB download is an issue for the internet connection on site and if we couldn't just use sqlcmd

No, we couldn't

Took him 10 minutes to confirm that with his "expert" though

I can beat that

In my, admittedly small, experience with web hosting support, Ive been told, amongst other statements:

"To get rid of this 'error 500' message, reboot your DSL modem"

"No, this site is not hosted with us" (ping, DNS and tracert said otherwise)

Had this one TWICE ---^

I can't remember other gems right now, but I'm sure that's more

And that's all local support for local ISPs

Who need bad outsourced techs when you have local sh*t

@OliverSalzburg ha. it was the last commit. that was never released in addon form

@ThatBrazilianGuy Those are some pretty bad ones

has the new tab button gone from FF?

@Burgi I still have it

its vanished from mine...

its back now

i have to customise the layout

Oh, the SQL script did not fix the bug btw!

What a surprise

This is like their 5th attempt at solving this issue

@ThatBrazilianGuy weirdly I saw a 503 fixed by a cache flush this morning

:/

i.imgur.com/9KVXcaS.gifv

lol

dafaq

guy here just pass like a week ago and gone to buy a car

used, but stupidly shiny expensive car

@Bob "Used, low mileage, one careful owner"

._.

That was a wierd ending

@JourneymanGeek You've watched the latest Star Trek movie?

Though that wasn't weird so much as just plain crap

@Mokubai naw, finished shadow warrior 2

Ah. No spoilers please, that's somewhere on my list...

ah

I kiiinda bought it based on the trailers + the game devs being cool

I enjoyed it

I played the first one but got a bit frustrated with the obviously controller bound controls

For keyboard and mouse it was not entirely great

eh, this is WASD + a few power controls in and around the WASD cluster

felt very natural, though I rarely used the powers

Someone should change their name to Alice so we'll have Alice and Bob sending messages to each other

(also, I got the deluxe edition. Flac soundtracks!)

@Dog But what about when Eve starts hanging around?

@JourneymanGeek Nice.

Hmmm. What to play....

hmmm how long does it normally take to pick up a car from a dealers?

Wondering as this guy isn't back yet.

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37619957

@djsmiley2k ah hour? Depending if you've already paid for it, taxed and insured it, etc. or not

Also depends if you crash it or not

I have no experience of the latter.

@djsmiley2k took me about an hour or so to sort mine out

we had paperwork to sign and they had to charge my debit card

he's back

2 hour 40 min

Took me about three hours when I got my bike but that included picking it, buying it, sorting out the paper work, then standing around outside for an hour and a half trying to sort through hundreds of of insurance quotes on my tiny phone screen

4G is great for letting you do things you otherwise couldn't on the move but sucks for tempting and pushing you into doing things you probably shouldn't

Also why is Windows 10 remote desktop so unreliable :-/

@allquicatic I really don't understand Intel's design choices sometimes... E3-1280v5 - 80w, minus zero for GPU, so 80w for the CPU - 4.0Ghz. E3-1585v5 - 65w, minus 30w for the GPU = 35w left for CPU - 3.9Ghz??

@Dog heh, played with chrome remote yet?

@JourneymanGeek Eh?

You mean this? chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/…

@Dog yup

I use it to connect home

it would be tolerable if I didn't have dual 4k monitors on my system

Hmm, don't see the advantage over just plain RDP client

Oh it uses its own algorithm?

I thought it was just a chrome-plugin client for RDP :-P

@Dog I think it uses webm and some other fancy things

Nice. Might be worth trying then.

That said I'm so impressed by RDP nowadays it might be hard to beat (when it's working that is...)

Hmm apparently it's made by google but the plugin page doesn't say it

its made by google

That's awesome

Though why does it say "offered by Chrome Remote Desktop Release Ma..."

Oh wait it says By Google on the main page

facepalm

Well turns out the 2x3TB disks in my server are one 4K sector drive and one 0.5K sector drive of different makes and different generations -_-

And both hold each other back in RAID

ew

all the stores

Antennas reoriented to optimize performance towards the bedrooms.

uhm

if you're testing local network, you really should run a purely local test

I don't have a means of doing this right now.