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@JourneymanGeek Uhm. Sort off.

!!tell 32000580 triplefacepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob Niiiice

2:02 PM

Usually not dark brown, and I guess you sometimes get to call it any colouyr of the rainbow.

@Hennes my brother's pediatrician described it as a "nice warm golden yellow colour"

Yeah. That fits.

At least for the first year.

No children here, so limited experience.

And in part I am happy with that

Finally

07:34 till 16:06. WIndows has finished searching for updates.

It is now "preparing to install"

@Hennes is this a new system?

Yes. Clean install

cause there've been a few Windows update client updates

2:07 PM

I wonder if @allquicatic fixed his friend's system...

@Hennes You should've downloaded the cumulative.

There's specifically a cumulative update package to speed up new installs.

I guess windows will offer me that option.

Cause Win7 updates go back some 5 years to the last service pack. The dependency resolution process takes forever.

@Hennes Nup. It's a manual download.

Go do that. It'll be faster than installing all of them piecemeal.

Forever in this case (on a modern skylake) was over 8 hours

@Hennes support.microsoft.com/en-au/kb/3125574

Download and install that one.

2:15 PM

File Convenience rollup update for Windows 7 SP1 - Windows6.1-KB3020369-x64.msu saved.

2:29 PM

Caution aliens abducting humans ?

2:45 PM

hello

@Hennes that looks like a mine

hello

My Laptop's Ram is 3GB but only 2.86 is usable

That's common.

Probably means 'bump in road'

2:45 PM

GPU dedicated memory is only 64 MB.

@4-K That's very common.

what happened to the rest of the memory?

PCI-e space resources etc

Do you have a dedicated graphics card?

Most likely no.

nope :)

Another question.

2:46 PM

Your CPU has integrated graphics. It's not built for graphical rendering

I have a Toshiba sattelite c600

and I am using realtek HD audio driver

and?

Can I upgrade it to a newer version? or it won't benefit?

The hardware? Nope. The software: If it is available.

it's always good to keep your drivers up to date, for many reasons.

I would update the driver if I were you;

2:48 PM

thank you :)

Your issue with RAM is that a lot of it is set aside for important low-level operations

Should I first uninstall the driver or simply proceed with the installation?

never knew about the low-level operation :(

You should be able to go to device manager and just click update driver.

I am downloading a setup.

I will do that

proceed with the installation and it should ask you if you want to repair , modify, or remove

or upgrade or whatever.

2:49 PM

it says up-to date, but it's not up-t0-date

A lot of times it tells you that because of compatibility issues.

Don't worry about it.

so I leave it as it? or download the setup and proceed? :)

It may give you trouble if you force an update.

I won't do then :)

Which is the best windows so far? 7 or 8.1 or 10?

Depends on hardware

2:51 PM

if good hardware

10

@4-K Are you on 32-bit Windows?

imo

@Bob Yes.

2:52 PM

cause "2.86 GB" is riiiiiiight where 32-bit Windows will go up to.

oh yea

that's it.

hmm

7 or 10.
7 is best if you like to play around with a nice GUI.
10 however will have much longer support. And it might be a tad faster

but my 3GB is 64-bit

wat.

2:52 PM

Doesn't matter

that's not a thing btw

your CPU may be amd64 arch

@Bob I have two laptops: Dell(64-bit) and Toshiba(32-bit)

ohhh

ok

Intel

This day and age: always use the 64 bit version of an OS.

nonono

2:53 PM

Well,e xcept if you have a 32 bit CPU (10+ years old?) or 256MB RAM

but why did microsoft released unfinished product? Windows 8 and 10? had lots of bugs compared to windows 7, right?

ehhhh

@Hennes Exception when dealing with convertibles/tablets though. When you have 16/32 GB of storage the extra binary space taken by 64-bit actually hurts.

4 years old

a lot of the hatred of newer versions of windows is around the UI

2:54 PM

especially the Icons

Makes me puke

Ah. Never had tablets. I did miss the 4 extra GB when installing w7 64bit (which used about 20GB) compared to w7-32 bit

Nowadays, we have amd64 arch and x86 for backwards compat. with the Intel i386 and before

W10 works for me. But I just right click on start and type the name of the program I want

Since the menu seems unuseable

in my Realtek Audio Driver, I have this option: Full-range speakers. What does it do? improve the sound quality? I have 2.1 channel system

we have AMD64, or x86-64 to support more ram than before

2:56 PM

I like Windows XP

@4-K I hope that's a joke

Nothing wrong with XP as long as it is not connected to any network

I loved the way could tweak the interface things

*we could

eh, XP was good. Ten years ago. ;p

nods.

2:57 PM

like themes and etc more easily, but that was a major irus source

Not bad for its time.

apart from that, I love win 7.

yup

Perfectly fine and no bugs

Cough cough

2:57 PM

@4-K Anyway, what "full range speakers" does is allow more frequencies to enter the speaker

whether they're played or not is a diff. story

@4-K outside updating (amusingly enough) windows 10 has been smooth for me.

oh, and that client computer where refresh failed

I busted a speaker once by putting it on 192KHz

Win10 and Win8 have been good kernel updates. The not-user-visible stuff.

Also lots of new hardware support

yep, definitely

I only instyall W10 once. But I also only got one W10 licence and once w7 license

2:58 PM

Win8 introduced support for UASP, USB 3.0, etc.

Win10 introduced DX12 support

so I should tick the "full range speaker" setting or not?

@JourneymanGeek I got w10 on both my laptops for free

@4-K shouldn't hurt your speakers, you're good.

thanks all!

@Bob Both my devices, that is

my desktop without an OS, and my laptop

My laptop shipped with Vista (which was brand new at the time)

2:59 PM

both got w10 pro free

@Hennes does it still have vista?

nope. W7 atm

good

actually, that makes me sad

I bought a few W7 licenses off ebay for about Eur 30 each

Took some time to find a non-shady site

I wanted to make a vista bonfire..

lol

Kaby Lake is announced: anandtech.com/show/10610/… techreport.com/review/30587/intel-kaby-lake-cpus-revealed

3:01 PM

wooo

Kaby Lake 2 op

even though I'm an AMD whore

Upgraded my sisters XP laptop to W7.
Upgraded vista laptop to W7
Installed w7 on the current desktop and duid the upgrade to W10.
Still got my w7 ultimate licence left. I wish I could have traded it in for W10 ultimate

AMD is poor and great

I'm an AMD whore

I stiull think they make the best CPUs for a cheap mom-and-pop desktop which only gets turned on once week 2 weeks to check for new email.

bitch pls

I game on my FX-8320

OC that shit to 3.7GHz

8 cores.

@Hennes Not sure about that; AMD A-series APUs have merit in HTPC applications

3:03 PM

4 hald cores? ;p

hald?

@varfirstName Bear in mind that the CPU cores are grouped in pairs. While multithreaded integer compute is fantastic on AMD Bulldozer and kin, floating-point and real-world performance isn't.

half

The problem with the push to $ridiculousCores is, well... just about no software actually uses them. Goes for both phones and desktops.

The Bulldozer family has other issues like questionable cache design leading to high cache latency (is there a good reason to make the L3 cache 64-way set associative when everyone else uses 16-way?).

3:05 PM

Even 4 is excessive for most uses.

Zen addresses these issues through a complete rewrite of the architecture, but these parts probably won't be available until 2017.

Bond on a Tuesday: Visa to kill. Suggestion for a new 007 movie

@Bob I went for 4 cause I was planning on eventually turning this into a VM box

@Bob if you know how to manage your cores well, you'll have no problem mith multitasking

There's some 8-core phones out there (without doing some big.LITTLE equivalent, so all identical) that perform well on benchmarks but are basically indistinguishable (perhaps worse battery life) in real usage.

@varfirstName This has nothing to do with multitasking.

3:07 PM

Kaby Lake uses an optimized "14nm+" process with slightly lower density for better clocks.

There's vanishingly few instances where human multitasking requires the use of multiple cores. Nor manual management of any sort.

I don't mean on the user side, I mean on the calculation side

I try to use calculus to lower the amount of iterations I go through

Even there, the vast majority of users never use programs where parallelisation really helps.

You can't just throw more cores at a problem.

@Bob you can in Portal

The big ones are rendering and simulation. Rendering usually happens on a GPU instead.

3:09 PM

Guys

What sort of power can you get out of a stock PowerEdge 2950?

@varfirstName AIUI Source doesn't see many benefits past 2, and never uses more than 4.

Also, parts will no longer be named "Core m5" or "Core m7". Instead, the next step after "m3" is "i3". This is because the more advanced 4.5W parts are capable of performing at about the same level as some of the 15W parts.

Typical recommendation for Source games is dual-core with high single-thread perf (typically an i5-K)

djsmiley2k

@bwDraco so no more m3?

m3 branding will still be around for the cheaper parts.

3:11 PM

@JourneymanGeek Yea, VMs is the other one. Where you're literally running multiple machines.

@Bob have you ever finished Portal?

You can still tell a type-Y part from a type-U part from the model number, though.

or Portal 2?

i7-7Y75 hits 3.6 GHz at 4.5W!

@bwDraco I have trouble telling the difference between them these days, tbh.

3:13 PM

Only 4.5W? SHIT

@bwDraco Eh. Probably not at 4.5 W..?

That sounds like their "SDP".

@Bob Likely with one core only.

Or, if it really is TDP, probably not sustained (unless cooling far exceeds TDP)

Sounds like it probably spikes up (TDP isn't a cap on the peak, but a cap on the average)

The m7-6Y75 hits 3.1 GHz.

(i7-7Y75: 2C/4T Kaby Lake-Y @ 1.3-3.6 GHz.)

(m7-6Y75: 2C/4T Skylake-Y @ 1.2-3.1 GHz.)

@bwDraco I suspect what it really means is TDP of 4.5 W when running 2x 1.3 GHz.

3:16 PM

There's some headroom for the IGP.

Would need the power design from the datasheet to see the real peak power draw.

@Bob you mean 1.8?

@varfirstName 1.3 is the base freq.

ah.

So it's never actually HAPPENED

@Bob w...ww..what?

3:18 PM

If the IGP's idle, you can realistically get these insane clocks.

i5K is a quad core

@Dog meow

Unless you mean laptops, at which point K?

If the IGP is under load, you'll still get at least 1.3 GHz.

@Dog Whoops. Mixup?

3:18 PM

i5-####K, I believe

@electronbeam hey

I believe there's a Duo-Core (as opposed to a Core 2 Duo, hehe) i5-####K

@Dog I do remember one of the Pentium G####s apparently being good for it :P

Yeah, pentium G's were dual-cores with good overclockability. Were.

Fixed-function VP9 decoder means you can now watch YouTube all day away from the socket.

3:20 PM

ark.intel.com/products/88191/…

i3's are the dual cores, i5 quad, i7 quad + HT on desktop

I was temped not to get the -K version since it has a higher TPD

I'm waiting for the i7-7900X personally

Maybe this K:

ark.intel.com/products/48750

3:21 PM

Good Evening everyone!

@varfirstName Westmere. You can't be kidding me.

@bwDraco Probably kidding you.

Heh, I still got 4 systems with core2 setups

granted, three of those are 1U servers.

Neither of which usually uses much CPU

lol

Core 2 (not Xeon) in a rackserver?

3:22 PM

Core era Xeons.

@electronbeam I like that track!

Ah

@Rahul2001 Track?

@Bob Musical track; song

So, my question?

3:25 PM

@Rahul2001 I mean linky?

Argh, can't get the Skylake-Y datasheets without an account

:(

@Bob oh, one sec

> What does a PowerEdge 2950 have in it if it has 2 Xeon processors @ 2.4 each, and 4GB ECC

@Dog You wouldn't happen to have an Intel account?

Improved Speed Shift technology also means higher responsiveness with lower power consumption, by letting the process take back control of clocks so that it can boost and lower clocks faster than the OS can.

@Bob I do.

3:25 PM

22 hours ago, by electronbeam

@Rahul2001 here have this, just for you https://soundcloud.com/electron_beam/rain

@Bob

@Bob Uhh, if it's free probably, if not i don't even know what that is

Would anybody have an answer to my question?

@Dog www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/my-intel/…

@varfirstName Something from the 5xxx era.

Whcih ranges from scrap metal to slightly more valuable scrap metal.

Core2 of some description.

5 mins ago, by Dog

Core 2 (not Xeon) in a rackserver?

@Bob Nope

@varfirstName it has 2 Xeon processors @ 2.4 each, and 4GB ECC

Would you recommend it for like, Minecraft servers or TeamSpeak servers, or the like?

3:28 PM

Kaby Lake will likely hit higher clocks than Skylake but IPC is about the same.

Eww. I thought my Westmere server was iffy in single-thread.

@Dog I meant, would you know its cpu name?

lmao bob

3:28 PM

@Dog Jinx!

> (If they also launch at CES, I need to start bulk ordering caffeine drips today. Goodbye sleep, it was nice knowing you. I may not be seen the rest of January.)

@Bob Great minds think alike? :-P

ROTFLOLOL

anandtech.com/show/10610/…

wait

an HP Envy x360?

AT 4k?!

@varfirstName TeamSpeak... yea, sure, but that'd probably run on a potato. Hopefully. Minecraft? Nooooooooooooooooooooooope.

3:30 PM

really?

not even minecraft would run?

As of 3 years ago, Minecraft (server) wasn't exactly multithreaded well. gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/104527/…

@varfirstName Whaddaya mean "not even"?

Minecraft struggles on machines from 2011. You're talking a CPU from something like 2007.

CPU is from like, 2003ish

djsmiley2k

@djsmiley2k are you writing that as an application?

Improved process means improved clocks but there's little progress on the CPU architecture itself.

It's the new GPU that's the big deal.

3:33 PM

@Bob what if I upgraded the ram?

cpubenchmark.net/…

In fact. You're talking a Xeon closer to a modern Atom.

Really?

Granted, better single-thread than the Atom.

It's got 2 of the CPUs in it

3 mins ago, by Bob

As of 3 years ago, Minecraft (server) wasn't exactly multithreaded well. http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/104527/how-can-i-run-a-minecraft-serve‌r-on-multiple-cpu-cores

More CPUs do jack shit if they're sitting idle.

djsmiley2k

3:34 PM

@varfirstName gonna display on mah kiondle

spigotmc.org/threads/minecraft-1-8-is-multi-thread.47006

> The minecraft wiki is misinformed. Minecraft is to a VERY big extend NOT multithreaded. Just chat, chunk loading and some other very little things are done in another thread.

As of last year.

I highly doubt that's changed since.

> While a multi-threaded engine would be amazing, minecraft is such a huge project, even the world's most skilled java programmers (NB: Not Mojang) would probably take many months to properly port it.

!! s/huge/poorly-optimised/

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob While a multi-threaded engine would be amazing, minecraft is such a poorly-optimised project, even the world's most skilled java programmers (NB: Not Mojang) would probably take many months to properly port it. (source)

@djsmiley2k what server runs it?

so the Xeon 5400 is trash?

5400 isn't listed for that server model

wrong generation

PowerEdge 2950 MkIII supports it