Root Access

allquicatic

4:00 PM

same formulas as Excel

djsmiley2k

the auto scrolling has now broken at work too D:

var firstName

=CONCAT("x", $((x/y)*100))

allquicatic

just use &; CONCAT is awfully verbose

Rahul2001

Damnit, mom, you make this stuff too confusing...

var firstName

sorry

Rahul2001

4:01 PM

'Hey Megan, it's your father. How do I print out a flowchart?'

var firstName

just used to the #1 most verbose language on the planet

#VisualBasic

#basicmyleftcheek

Rahul2001

lol

allquicatic

starting to get that prediabetic burning sensation from not having eaten for >3 hours... doh

var firstName

just do ="x = "&((x/y)*100)

allquicatic

it's like a low-intensity fire in the veins

makes me crave to get up and go grab my sandwich out of the fridge and devour it like I haven't eaten in days

Rahul2001

4:03 PM

@varfirstName thanks

allquicatic

helpmegetthroughthisguysomg

Rahul2001

Anyways, gtg

@allquicatic Wassup?

djsmiley2k

o_O

I used to get major heart burn when not eating for a few hours

allquicatic

I don't get heartburn, just the jitters

var firstName

So, I didn't sleep last night

Rahul2001

4:05 PM

!!rsleep

goodnight guys...

night

night Raul. the cat on youtube still wants to know where you are to save him from his bath

@varfirstName and why not?!

Dog

I used to get heartburn and the jitters but now I'm on PPIs so I only get the jitters

var firstName

4:07 PM

Mixture of brain activity, being a teen, thinking I was going to get my blood test done today, and being hyped up on sugar

*caffeine

allquicatic

MMMM SANDWICH

PPIs?

oh nvm

is that like a chronic long-term ingestion of famotidine?

or similar?

var firstName

Please tell me these are elephants: (i.imgur.com/a/m5dCI.png)

allquicatic

!!tell 31980994 say these are elephants

var firstName

ChatBot John Cavil

@varfirstName these are elephants

allquicatic

4:11 PM

@varfirstName post the direct link on a line of its own

var firstName

wts?

There we go

These are elephants, right?
http://i.imgur.com/0eEJUEa.png

damn

allquicatic

no multiline

var firstName

didn't work

allquicatic

I meant a chatline

not a newline-line

var firstName

This GMD is trasshhhh

allquicatic

4:12 PM

!! s/GMD/GCM/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquicatic This GCM is trasshhhh (source)

var firstName

still trasshhhh

bwDraco

roar

DavidPostill

@varfirstName Why do you think they are elephants?

bwDraco

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Q: Can a product's manufacturer attach conditions (such as an arbitration agreement) to the sale of its product by third parties?

On the retail packaging of a WD hard drive I recently purchased, I noticed text stating that the purchase is subject to terms and conditions listed on the WD website and inside the box, including binding arbitration (example). I understand that WD could refuse warranty service for a variety of v...

An example of just how risk-averse companies are today.

djsmiley2k

4:16 PM

'Attempting to authenicate' 0 packets sent, 0 receieved

YOU'RE NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH

Sigh

Multimillion pound business

on the back of a single TP link AP

(ok, the whole business isn't but why on earth is that equipment even there....)

DavidPostill

@bwDraco How can you agree to something that is inside the (presumably shrink-wrapped) packaging/box? Surely that is not enforceable (as you are not able to read and agree with it before accepting the purchase).

djsmiley2k

Dunno

var firstName

@bwDraco As long as they are providing a service to you (such as the ability to use their branded technology in your ~~personal computer~~ Mac), you are subject to an arbitration agreement in the case that you abuse that service and are found in requisite of a binding arbitration); that's a safety measure for people who have really good lawyers

djsmiley2k

how do you agree to the windows eulas that are displayed after you install it? :D

bwDraco

Even if it was readable at the time of purchase I have not agreed with any such contract with WD because WD is not a party to the contract of sale.

allquicatic

4:25 PM

@bwDraco support.wdc.com/Warranty/warrantyPolicy.aspx?lang=en

> No limited warranty is provided by WD unless your WD Product ("Product") was purchased from an authorized distributor or authorized reseller. Distributors may sell Products to resellers who then sell Products to end users.

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k Most software asks you to agree to the EULA as the first part of the installation. I haven't installed Windows for a long time so I can't remember if the same applies to Windows.

var firstName

> YOUR PURCHASE IS
SUBJECT TO THE TERMS OF THIS BINDING INDIVIDUAL
ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER AGREEMENT
(THIS “AGREEMENT”), AND OTHER TERMS AS APPLICABLE
TO PARTICULAR PRODUCTS OR SERVICES. THIS
AGREEMENT CONTAINS A BINDING ARBITRATION PROVISION
THAT REQUIRES THE RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES ON AN
INDIVIDUAL BASIS, LIMITS YOUR ABILITY TO SEEK RELIEF IN
A COURT OF LAW, AND WAIVES YOUR RIGHT TO
PARTICIPATE IN CLASS ACTIONS, CLASS ARBITRATIONS, OR
A JURY TRIAL FOR CERTAIN DISPUTES.

bwDraco

@allq: That's not the arbitration agreement, which is the part in question (see linked document in question)

Hennes

Shop shouting

allquicatic

I assume they have an agreement with authorized resellers that enables those resellers to transfer the warranty to the buyer

var firstName

4:26 PM

it was a quote.. lol

Hennes

Probably made by a third rate lawyer which just cut and pasted stuff. (The all caps nonsense has no special meaning cut is cut and pasted a lot).

allquicatic

@bwDraco the arbitration agreement would only be applicable if you agree to the warranty; you can always void your warranty and sue them directly I believe

djsmiley2k

@DavidPostill On the bundled (Dell) installs I've done, it has

bwDraco

I can see this as a condition to obtaining warranty service, but certainly not as a condition of sale (as WD is not party to the contract of sale between the retailer and consumer).

Privity of contract

The doctrine of privity in the common law of contract provides that a contract cannot confer rights or impose obligations arising under it on any person or agent except the parties to it. The premise is that only parties to contracts should be able to sue to enforce their rights or claim damages as such. However, the doctrine has proven problematic due to its implications upon contracts made for the benefit of third parties who are unable to enforce the obligations of the contracting parties. == Third-party rights == Privity of contract occurs only between the parties to the contract, most commonly...

allquicatic

@bwDraco I think the retailer's legalese can make WD a party when an authorized retailer sells to you

but if you pick up a WD HDD out of a landfill and it works and you use it, maybe not then :P

var firstName

4:30 PM

@bwDraco by using the services that the product provides, you subject yourself to binding arbitration in the condition that a dispute occurs

djsmiley2k

1.5 hours at work

Amount of work done? 0

other than fixing the external wifi so I can watch youtube :D

allquicatic

@djsmiley2k number of shits given?

djsmiley2k

0

Last day tomorrow.

allquicatic

layoff?

djsmiley2k

Nah new job else where

I hate this place :/

bwDraco

4:32 PM

> Given that the implied contract of sale is between the retailer and consumer, can a company impose conditions on the sale of products that it manufactured without being a party to said contract of sale? Under what circumstances, if any, is the arbitration agreement enforceable? Would the terms apply even if I never sought warranty service?

djsmiley2k

It's not a healthy place

var firstName

@bwDraco the warranty is not the only service the product provides

The company provides the warranty but the product, an extension of the company, provides the service of data-storage and access.

bwDraco

The legal theory here doesn't make sense. Selling a physical product that does x does not mean that the company is itself rendering x as a service.

var firstName

Technically it does

If you sell a warranty, you're providing a warranty as a service

if you sell a hard drive, you're providing the benefits of a hard drive as a service.

bwDraco

That's because the warranty work is actually done by the company.

var firstName

4:37 PM

Not true.

djsmiley2k

grrr

why does the wifi keep dropping out :/

var firstName

If you buy a DS at GameStop, or a Macbook from amazon, neither GameStop nor Amazon provide the services of their warranty; Nintendo and Apple do.

bwDraco

Again, warranty is work done by the company. The functions of a hardware device are not a service unless the manufacturer or other company is directly involved in its operation.

var firstName

But the company manufactured the device, offering it to the customer using the retailer as a surrogate.

DavidPostill

@varfirstName @bwDraco Surely the "physical product" comes under the label "goods" not "services". Or is the US legal system more borken than I thought?

bwDraco

4:40 PM

^^^ This.

var firstName

But the service is the capability to use the device, is it not?

djsmiley2k

screw it

wifi teathering it is!

DavidPostill

When I buy a can of beans I'm buying "goods" not services. When I buy a massage I am buying "services" not "goods" (even though massage may be "good" and I am walking away covered in oil...)

3

allquicatic

@DavidPostill haha :D

var firstName

Using that analogy, you can say that when you buy a hard drive, you walk away with goods, and when you fire it up and use it to store data, you're using the services provided by the hard drive, and therefore the company

The actions of the hard drive are the service

bwDraco

4:45 PM

Unless there's a contract specifying so, this would fly in the face of established law.

I will excuse myself from this matter.

DavidPostill

@varfirstName No they are not.

Goods and services

In economics, products can be classified into goods and services. Goods are items that are tangible, such as books, pens, salt, shoes, hats and folders. Services are activities provided by other people, such as doctors, lawn care workers, dentists, barbers, waiters, or online servers. According to economic theory, consumption of goods and services is assumed to provide utility (satisfaction) to the consumer or end-user, although businesses also consume goods and services in the course of producing other goods and services. == History == Physiocratic economists categorized production into...

There are five essential differences between services and goods. The first is that a service is an intangible process that cannot be weighed or measured, whereas a good is a tangible output of a process that has physical dimensions. This distinction has important business implications since a service innovation, unlike a product innovation, cannot be patented. Thus, a company with a new concept must expand rapidly before competitors copy its procedures. Service intangibility also presents a problem for customers since, unlike with a physical product, they cannot try it out and test it befor…

highered.mheducation.com/sites/0070700893/student_view0/ebook2/…

var firstName

> The first is that a service is an intangible process that cannot be weighed or measured

the service is the manufacturing of the product, if you want to get super technical

Though that might be a service the company renders to it's shareholders, rather than it's customers

DavidPostill

@varfirstName You can weigh a disk drive and measure it as well, both physically and in terms of it's performance. That makes it a "good"

var firstName

Yes, but the service is data-storage

DavidPostill

You are not buying the "manufacturing" you are buying the "product".

var firstName

4:53 PM

It's measured in an abstract sense

I concede though, I haven't had sleep in 18 hours

By the way, @JourneymanGeek, the first law of star fishing is there are no starfish

DavidPostill

As an aside @bwDraco "Federal law requires that warranties be available for you to read before you buy even when you're shopping by catalog or on the Internet." consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0252-warranties

var firstName

They're publicly available

djsmiley2k

2 hours, no work done \o/

electronbeam

5:10 PM

@Rahul2001 here have this, just for you soundcloud.com/electron_beam/rain

var firstName

@electronbeam: @Rahul2001 died.

electronbeam

@varfirstName eh?

Like, disappeared or actually died? or uh? wat

var firstName

btw, Mokubai, I see you lurking

@electronbeam disappeared bro

electronbeam

That's a shame.

var firstName

left a little while ago for something called "bed"? Never heard of it.

electronbeam

5:13 PM

wow rude

k

<3

allquicatic

@electronbeam hi

jokerdino

@allquicatic hi

var firstName

@electronbeam I didn't mean to be rude... q.q

electronbeam

@varfirstName it's okay <3

You just had me legitimately worried for a moment

var firstName

Sorry e3e

electronbeam

5:24 PM

<3

DavidPostill

Ooooer. 5 upvotes all in the same minute. I hope that wasn't serial upvoting :)

var firstName

You just got 50 rep in <60s

HOW

DavidPostill

Exactly.

I don't want to ruin today's repcap :)

allquicatic

5:36 PM

I do

*serial downvotes Postill*

now all we need is a serial sidevoter

DavidPostill

@allquicatic Are you jealous?

bwDraco

lol

allquicatic

no

Hennes

5:58 PM

I'll be so happy when I got win7 again.

MY USB pendrive used to get 15 to 25MB/sec write. On win10 it is down to 58kb/sec

djsmiley2k

o_O

Hennes

Down loading LAN driver to it.

Tempted to get an USB2 PCI-e card to see if that helps

ON a system with only USB3.1 and 3.0

I think I just found a new alias. Mr Json Bourne.

2

var firstName

ffs @Hennes

you're just whoring yourself out for stars

Hennes

For the workaround or for putting that idea in your head?

Oh. Nah.. I already see stars

var firstName

Json Bourne

Hennes

6:11 PM

@varfirstName Truth be said, I sometimes fish. But not idea. Your remark totally hit me out of the blue.

allquicatic

!! s/./f/g

var firstName

You're a pr0n star

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquicatic ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff‌ffffffffffffffffffffffff (source)

mikeTheLiar

Are git questions on-topic here?

djsmiley2k

@mikeTheLiar no questions are on topic here

DavidPostill

6:12 PM

@varfirstName I'm not sure whether that is a complement or an insult :)

djsmiley2k

it's chat, but we might try and help if we can

Or do you mean are they on topic, on the main site?

mikeTheLiar

More just that someone might be able to help

var firstName

Sure, whatcha got?

mikeTheLiar

I don't think it's worth an actual question because I'm sure I'm just doing something stupid

allquicatic

@mikeTheLiar better to just ask instead of asking to ask

mikeTheLiar

6:13 PM

Fair enough

DavidPostill

"Current topics: Technology, Tea & Taylor Swift. You have backups, right?"

mikeTheLiar

So the tl;dr is that I'm trying to get pylint to run on a commit hook for a project that has no __init__ in the root

DavidPostill

git is technology :)

allquicatic

@DavidPostill LIES

mikeTheLiar

So it's actual a combo of git/python and pylint config

djsmiley2k

6:15 PM

where's the bit about chat isn't for questions tho @DavidPostill

var firstName

!!!tayderp

djsmiley2k

and why hasn't my keyboard layout changed after changing it :/

ChatBot John Cavil

@varfirstName That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: tayderp

allquicatic

@djsmiley2k that's only for ServerFault; we allow questions here

djsmiley2k

oh rly?

ok

mikeTheLiar

6:15 PM

I can get pylint to run on the root director but it just dies with

F:  1, 0: error while code parsing: Unable to load file '__init__.py' ([Errno 2] No such file or directory: '__init__.py') (parse-error)

djsmiley2k

hmmmmmm my keyboard in chrome is stuck on US even after I changed it in windows o_O

var firstName

@djsmiley2k

DavidPostill

@allquicatic You really don't like me today :)

djsmiley2k

Guess it needs a reboot and I can't be bothered :P

var firstName

> This site is an extension of The Stack Exchange Network, so discussion should more or less revolve around the same topics you'd find at The Stack Exchange Network — but in an interactive, less strictly Q&A focused way.

mikeTheLiar

6:17 PM

I found something that said to add a .pylintrc to the .git folder and to add this:

allquicatic

Episode VII: Das Only In Da Monin'

►

mikeTheLiar

[MASTER]
init-hook="sys.path.insert(0,os.path.abspath('Path\to\goce\root'))"

But that didn't appear to actually do anything useful

allquicatic

@mikeTheLiar what do you have to do to successfully run pylint manually without git?

just have to replicate that while having git run it, that's all

mikeTheLiar

You know that's a very good point. I've been banging my head against this problem for so long I forgot what the actual problem was

2

Thanks for rubber-ducking with me

djsmiley2k

Haha I think we've all managed that in the past

@Hennes Json Bourne Again Shell ?

Hennes

6:22 PM

It would be a reboot

Argh. Drivers on USB, but no working USB on windows yet.

djsmiley2k

arugh derp

Hennes

So no network, no USB.

djsmiley2k

now i remember why systems had cd drives!

allquicatic

@Hennes ethernet to another box with a ftp or windows share?

Hennes

I have both a floppy and a CD. Neither are connected

The USB pendrive had the network drivers....

djsmiley2k

6:23 PM

wtf are we gonna do in the future with this crap D:

Hennes

Time to remove the SSD and mount it on another desktop

allquicatic

@djsmiley2k Trust in the holy Microsoft to ship working drivers?

var firstName

@Hennes exactly what I was gonna say

djsmiley2k

@allquicatic rooooooooofl

var firstName

@Hennes I've got a question

@Hennes you need drivers for ethernet?

Hennes

6:27 PM

Yes. Modern Z170 board. Win7 does not yet have the drivers

allquicatic

@Hennes *sigh* Just use Windows 10...

Hello Computer

►

Hennes

I got a 27 licence and I want to play a bit with the new hardware.

After that it will get esxi

allquicatic

> "Windows 10?! How quaint. *crackles knuckles*"

that's the reply I expected plz

var firstName

@Hennes ESXi VI?

Hennes

Whatever is current when I get around to it (esx has been the intendtion since I got it half a year ago)

var firstName

6:29 PM

@Hennes when my eval license runs out, what happens?

@Hennes I might use Hyper-V eval if it comes to it

Hennes

Hyper-V is not a type-1

And I wanted to play with PCI-e passthough.

Nut sure how much hyper-V likes that

oh, look. a 58GB SATA drive with an old backup. Smaller than my 64GB USB pendrive

That'll do.

To bad the newer board do not ship with eSATA as default

I still have eSATA pendrives

Which do not need extra drivers

djsmiley2k

I've never actually used esata

:/

Hennes

It is sooooo much better than USB(2)

Much faster. Works everywhere. No drivers needed. No overhead.

djsmiley2k

yeah cept I only think one of my systems has a esata port :D

same issue with firewire

Hennes

My old desktop had two. My laptop has one.

Plug in and it is recognised as a regular AHCI drive.

Even works with XP if the firmware is set to legacy mode

djsmiley2k

6:35 PM

nice

Hennes

Come to think of it. It has an XP instyall on it, along a ghostcast server

So if I wanted to I could boot XP on my laptop.... just slighly outdated

var firstName

@Hennes could I get an answer to my original question?

Hennes

Whatever is current when I get around to it (esx has been the intendtion since I got it half a year ago)

var firstName

>
@Hennes when my eval license runs out, what happens?

Hennes

Eval from what?

Win7?

var firstName

6:43 PM

I've got ESXi VI

Hey all, do you know how to concat a TextBox ASP control and a Literal ASP Control?

djsmiley2k

concat ALL THE THINGS!

Hennes

mv evil.psp evil.sap ?

Uhm,. .asp. But I guess sap is also evil :)

djsmiley2k

yus yus it is

var firstName

80 10 F2

Sathya

happy birthday @KronoS

7

var firstName

6:58 PM

Who's that

Sathya

KronoS, Arizona

17.9k 33 90 145

windows-7 windows windows-8 wireless-networking windows-xp networking performance

var firstName

Nobody remembered my birthday q.q

It's 7/24 for those who are wondering

Then again, I don't manage a supercool SE blog

Hennes

Mine is 7-8

Early august

djsmiley2k

31/01

as we're doing that thing :D

Hennes

Waiting for windows updates.....

I might repeat this windows setup with just a ancient 58GiB SATA HDD. In case I ever want to test things with an old OS.

var firstName

7:12 PM

@Hennes what happens when my ESXi XI eval period ends?

Hennes

No idea.

I never ran it before. I want to play with it.

var firstName

damn

Hennes

I guess the answer is "then I'll install Xen and playw with that"

Which does not help you

var firstName

Xen?

Hennes

I am not looking for a production setup. ONly to learn about the products before I ever use it in a job place

allquicatic

7:13 PM

Xen is the best hypervisor IMO, though if you really want to do what's best, you'll avoid virtualization at all and just use containers

the only reason to do full hardware virtualization is if you need to run e.g. Windows on top of Linux or Linux on top of Windows

Hennes

Xen:

wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Software_Overview

var firstName

how2container?

allquicatic

if you can run all your workloads on Linux, use containers

better yet, if you can run all your workloads on SmartOS, use SmartOS (better, more isolated, more secure containers)

@varfirstName ubuntu.com/cloud/lxd or smartos.org

Hennes

I want to run FreeBSD, one or more linuxes and windows. And pass though 10GiB networking to BSD, and a dedicated graphics card to windows.

And play games on virtual windows

var firstName

wirtual?

Hennes

7:15 PM

Typing to fast and behind that regular clippy popup

allquicatic

don't use half-baked, insecure, non-isolated container "solutions" like LXC (LXD != LXC, even though the console command for LXD is lxc - get over it) or the "new" OpenVZ or try to use Docker as isolation

var firstName

I thought you were referring to those indian scammers (no offense to yall who are indian)

Hennes

I should be able to pass though one RAID card to windows, and theother HW RAID card and the 10GB NIC to BSD

allquicatic

7:35 PM

0

Q: TotalRecorder software audio filter alternative for Windows

TotalRecorder is a fairly unique piece of Windows software that can capture any audio output to any sound card on your computer. It does this by adding some kind of Windows audio filter driver to the kernel that reads all the outgoing audio and captures it. If we don't have this special technolo...

windows audio-recording

KronoS

7:55 PM

Thanks @Sathya hit the big 3-0 today.

Sathya

w00t

join the club ;p

KronoS

Lolz.

var firstName

@djsmiley2k I would like to respectfully disagree with you on your powerline routing method

0

A: Multiple routers on the same network over coax

Personally, I would take it for a test run and see how it performs (seeing that you already dropped a good $500 into the equipment); however I would also say this is bad advice. Many people (without splitting their bandwidth) use wireless or wired range extenders. The effect of running 3 routers ...

@KronoS Happy birthday, dude!

KronoS

Thanks.

var firstName

I'm gonna walk outside on october 31st wearing a shirt with this on it:

{"lastName":"Vorhees"}

I find that geekier than your Json Bourne idea

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