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Daniele

11:00 PM

The first time I turned It on I was able to get to the bios. Then no more

Bob

@Daniele Reseat all the things.

Also, make sure the mobo has standoffs so it's not shorting against the case.

DavidPostill

So after you (successfully) installed Windows you restarted and then don't see the BIOS screen?

Daniele

How do I do It?

@DavidPostill exactly

DavidPostill

What happens if you remove the hard disk and restart? Do you then see the BIOS?

Daniele

I guess i could try

Journeyman Geek

11:04 PM

@Bob yup. they are my dream isp

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Apparently they'll be available here soon but people are questioning possible throttling cause the price is unrealistically low considering wholesale costs :\

Daniele

@DavidPostill no luck

Bob

'course, I won't even see nbn here until Q4 2017 as the possible earliest, assuming schedule hasn't changed again.

(schedule has disappeared off their site since I last checked a year ago :\ )

@Daniele Listen for beeps, see if there's any error indicator lights on the motherboard, and try reseating CPU, RAM and video card.

And, again, verify the motherboard is not shorting against the case and that you have the standoffs installed.

Daniele

I cannot hear beeps cause my case has got no speaker

I will try right now

I'm using a NZXT S340 case and standoffs where preinstalled

Bob

@Daniele Sometimes, they'll include a small piezo buzzer, not a full speaker. But that might be less common these days.

@Daniele Make sure the only points of contact are at the screw holes and not anywhere else on the board.

Sometimes a loose bit can shift... so it appears to work at first, until you bump it a bit.

Daniele

11:09 PM

But I noticed that in the center there was a hole where I couldnt get the screw in. I thought It was stranger but I'm a noob

Bob

The problem here is you're essentially flying blind without any diagnostic codes :\

@Daniele Does it stay powered on indefinitely, or switch off by itself?

If it stays on I suppose we can rule out the mobo having power or grounding issues :\

Daniele

It stays on

Bob

Also, have you tried removing the video card entirely before using the onboard port?

Hennes

Wait, dual GTX 10...

Daniele

@Bob no I didn't

Hennes

11:11 PM

Try both cards (maybe the signal is coming from the other one after installing the driver

And make sure you do not have SLI turned on. SLI disables one cards outputs

Daniele

@Hennes it's Just one card. It's from Asus dual series

Don't know why they called It that way actually

Hennes

Maybe dual fans. Weird name anyway. With DUAL or X@ I expect two GPU on one card

Nopt a single GPU card with low power

iner TDP von nur 120 Watt und es wird

But with max 120 Watt to the graphics card a 600 Watt PSU should be plenty.

Daniele

Tried removing the external graphics card but still no signal

I guess I will unmount everything and start again

DavidPostill

@Daniele Make sure you wear a grounding wrist strap ...

Hennes

With on board graphics (and the monitor plugged into the motherboards graphics out) it should show ~~BIOS~~ UEFI POST info.

Worst case: run it outside the case. Reset all power (no powercord plugged in) and press power up.

Then connect power, RAM, CPU&Cooling and try to boot.

Time to spent some big money (EUr 0.79) on divine divinity

Cheaper than a glass of beer and probably much more fun.

Daniele

11:22 PM

@Hennes It shows no signal at all. I will double check the standoffs right now I hope I don't need to return the mobo

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Hello @Daniele , welcome to Root Access! My name is CausingUnderflows and I will be.. certainly walking in the opposite direction.

Daniele

Could this be because the screws holding the motherboard in Place are loose?

Bob

@DavidPostill Easier to just touch one hand on the case, no?

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

inside joke..

DavidPostill

@Bob Probably, but I like to play safe ;)

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

11:30 PM

and it makes fun of me not you dont worry

according to a forbes article
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2016/07/19/crunching-the-numbers-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-versus-amd-radeon-rx-480/#e458ca4166f3

gtx 1060 has a load power draw of 245 watts so if it's certainly 1 gtx 1060 and not dual then 600 watts should be more than plenty

no, it can't be because the screws holding the motherboard are loose. I've placed a bare motherboard on top of my computer case and gave it power and attached the basic hardware to it and it worked

bwDraco

> gtx 1060 has a load power draw of 245 watts

You can't be joking, right? The TDP is 120 W.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

"apparantly"

TDP stands for thermal something, tdp is how much heat energy it puts off

bwDraco

Is that machine load, or card load?

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

yeah it's machine haha

my bad

doesnt change the statement that the 600 watt psu will handle it

bwDraco

I'd consider 400 W the minimum here.

Journeyman Geek

11:34 PM

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere please do.

bwDraco

Heck, 300 W will do.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

@JourneymanGeek oh no you didn't

bwDraco

Then again, you're not saving much by selecting a PSU with less than 500 W maximum output and quality falls off a cliff if you go too cheap.

Aug 12 at 0:49, by bwDraco

My baseline is about 500W for most builds; dropping below that point is not worth it because quality also falls off a cliff.

Journeyman Geek

I run a 980ti off a 600w psu

So yeah. Power should be plenty.

Daniele

imgur.com/6d5qbc6

Journeyman Geek

11:37 PM

@Daniele any error LEDs?

Daniele

This Is how the preinstalled standoffs look like

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

@Daniele, if you had a speaker and windows is set to auto-log in on startup, I suppose it would play the login sound through your speakers if it was successful.

Do you boot with a HDD? When you turn on the PC, can you hear its read/write noise happening? (trying to base off whether or not it's purely a graphical problem or if the OS isnt even booting)

Bob

@bwDraco TDP is sustained, not peak. That said, they measured 143W peak (min. 50ms) here: tomshardware.com/reviews/…

bwDraco

I know. A "power virus" workload can cause the card to hit the 150 W hard limit.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

did you disable the onboard graphics in the BIOS already?

Bob

11:38 PM

@Daniele Page not found?

Daniele

I will check for error LEDs

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Bob

@bwDraco I'm actually tryingto find the specced limit. Link?

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Thanks.

Weird that it works now. Must be imgur being dodgy again.

Daniele

Now I'll try to reinstall the mobo and look for error leds

Bob

@Daniele Just a quick check, make sure the standoffs all correspond to screw holes in case there's a mismatch between case and mobo.

bwDraco

11:40 PM

That's the PCIe limit.

Bob

@bwDraco Didn't a recent AMD card (RX 480?) go over that limit?

Though that's a bug, so unspecced...

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Bob are we friends again?

bwDraco

Yeah, but they fixed that by shifting the load to the aux power connector. PSUs don't really care if you try to pull far more than 75W from the 6-pin aux...

Daniele

@Bob they correspond it's a standard ATX the stranger thing Is that the center one is not supposed to be screwed in

Bob

@bwDraco Huh, they did that in a software/firmware/microcode update?

Interesting. Didn't know that was modifiable.

bwDraco

11:43 PM

It's a driver update that changes the card's behavior.

For those of you worried about the integrity of the VRMs due to uneven loading, don't, because they're overengineered.

Journeyman Geek

@Daniele those cases would also work with smaller boards

Daniele