Root Access

bwDraco

12:08 AM

Again, I have a paid but inexpensive SSL solution that I'll continue to use for the foreseeable future.

Dog

Well that was unexpected...

6-core 4Ghz dandy bridge-E processor is too slow to decode 4K24 video in software o_0

Also unexpected, Windows' built in video player will use all 12 threads at 100%

bwDraco

This is not a surprise. 4C/8T Haswell is barely enough to do 1080p30 in real time, so I doubt 6C/12T Sandy Bridge-E is going to handle 2160p24.

Aibobot

@Dog 0_0

tho, I've been gpu decoding cause I run madvr

bwDraco

Look at 2P Xeon machines with at least 16C/32T if you're going to do this a lot.

Dog

@Aibobot Yeah my 2-core 2Ghz mobile Sandy Bridge does it fine using the iGPU hardware acceleration

bwDraco

12:14 AM

The bare minimum for CPU encoding 4K content in real time is a high-clocked 8C/16T.

Aibobot

now I'm tempted to try ;p

I do have some 4k video

Dog

Well it looks like the MPC-HC LAV codec does it fine once you manually turn on hardware decoding, though quite what "hardware" it's using I have no clue

So it's just the Windows' built in media player that sucks, despite it being incredibly well multithreaded

Bob

@Dog crt.sh/?id=29805555

cloudapp.net is for azure...

Dog

lol

> Not Revoked

eh

Psycogeek

12:30 AM

@Dog VLC also seems to hoard processing to do the more mundane tasks of decoding and displaying a video. Why more people dont notice ? " hey hows come your program takes 20times the effort of another one doing the same thing the same way." They sure notice when a Game is horribly optimized.

in california it is important to notice which program blows flames out your computer and makes the power meter spin $$$ to watch a simple video.

Bob

12:54 AM

@Dog Have you tried Sandy Bridge instead? :P

Journeyman Geek

feedproxy.google.com/~r/techreport/all/~3/9Xxp9iBWBAM/…

Aibobot

this seems... ugly

@Bob or dodgy fridge?

Bob

of all the skins they could've chosen...

then again I wonder if they licensed the artwork properly

tereško

1:10 AM

@JourneymanGeek waste of paintjob

then again, I am one of those "ascetic cases are the best" people (have Define R5)

Dog

@Bob -_-

Aibobot

@tereško I like my cases quite unlike how I like my coffee. Big and black.

Dog

Note to self: Backup/sync your shit when you're still at the hostel with 100Mbps upload, not the one with 1Mbps

Aibobot

lol

Dog

Worst comes to worst I could just book myself a random day here while I'm staying elsewhere, just to use the internet

£10 a day is cheaper than most paid hotspot providers tbh, and they're usually shit

Aibobot

1:15 AM

lol

That Brazilian Guy

@Dog £300 / month? 0.o

Dog

WTF £110.00 on Nov 12th... in a room that normally costs £11

Surge pricing gone mad

allquicatic

gist.github.com/allquixotic/3a55e96fc207dbdb7a4cb35f45937a68

Can anyone improve on this?

Psycogeek

@allquicatic just wonders why , when so cheap, 16g of memory not 8?

Dog

Phenom II X4 to Athlon X4 doesn't sound like much of an upgrade

Aibobot

1:27 AM

@allquicatic low cost (smaller?) SSD over 300 gb hdd. And Double the ram if you can. 4gb is 'sufficent' but just barely IMO

(hell, or drop the 300gb hdd)

Dog

Also whaaa?

> AMD Athlon X4 880K (2014, FM2+)

That CPU was announced six months ago, not two years...

Aibobot

also, are you in a rush?

this is really the sort of thing I'd want to do with a little more rest and my own PC ;p

Dog

Also getting a latest gen GPU for futureproofing doesn't really go with a near 3 years old EOL AMD socket.

(Nor does buying 16GB of DDR3)

Aibobot

especially when there's a socket change in the pipeline within the next few months

Dog

@Aibobot That's why I said it's basically EOL :-P

Bob

1:37 AM

I'd almost suggest a G4520, much better single-thread perf, but it costs a bit more. Especially for the LGA1151 mobo.

On the plus side, LGA1151 is very futureproof :P

Dog

Well right now I'm looking at an i3-6100 + H110M mobo for $150

Bob

@Dog Huh. I could only find H150 for the G4520

Dog

Not the cheapest, but a 3.7Ghz Skylake will beat the crap out of anything AMD has to offer, and the platform's as futureproof as you'll get

Could probably cut it down to a Pentium or something but I'm totally unfamiliar with the model numbering/naming so I haven't a clue what's good

Oh G4520 is a Skylake 3.6

Bob

@Dog cpubenchmark.net/…

G4520 looks to be basically the same thing, just without HT

Dog

The only reason I'd consider getting a latest-gen GPU is power efficiency, but bear in mind AMD's Polaris is only about as efficient as the better Maxwell 2 cards

Bob

1:40 AM

At $90 it's only $7 more than the 880K.

Dog

@Bob Yeah it pretty much is

Bob

Worse multi-thread, better single-thread.

Dog

Well you are looking at 4 cores vs. 2

Bob

@Dog You'd have a hard time finding a decent Maxwell 2 for $125, though.

@Dog And half the power consumption :P

Dog

the i3's 33% faster for single-threaded perf and 4% slower in multithreaded... chances are it'll be faster for pretty much all games

Bob

1:42 AM

@Dog $30 more than the Pentium

The Pentium's gaming performance is harder to figure out :\

Dog

@Bob Err, yeah. $112 on a GTX 950, I don't think you can get 940 AICs

Bob

More games can actually make use of 4 cores now

But a lot still can't

Dog

@Bob Still the ones that can don't necessarily make decent use of it, aka using twice as many cores but not performing nearly twice as fast

allquicatic

@Aibobot nope, no rush

@Aibobot not changing storage - he already owns those HDDs and any upgrade will necessarily cost money that isn't available for this

Aibobot

I'll go play around with builds over the weekend then

ah

Bob

1:43 AM

@Dog Hm. How does a GTX 950 compare with an RX 460?

allquicatic

just get storage out of your mind completely

Bob

I don't really consider 950 decent, though for such a low budget...

Aibobot

@allquicatic heh.

allquicatic

@Aibobot probably not waiting around for several months

Aibobot

yeah, then itmakes sense

Dog

1:44 AM

@Bob 560? A non-existent card? :-P

allquicatic

would like to order before christmas

Dog

I don't completely understand the desperate wish to stay away from second hand kit when you have such a low budget.

Bob

^

@allquicatic Wait for the Christmas sales

Aibobot

@Dog prices are somewhat more reliable, and warranties I suppose

allquicatic

@Dog Fallout / Skyrim mods. They use RAM. 64-bit engines. Plus multitasking (TS3, lots of Chrome tabs)

@Bob one advantage of going AMD is the extreme low cost of their motherboards o_O

Aibobot

1:45 AM

@allquicatic current gen AMD's kinda... inefficient tho

allquicatic

@Bob that would definitely be desirable for games IMO

Bob

@Aibobot Don't know about Skyrim SE, but original Skyrim apparently never used more than 2 cores.

So the 33% single-thread boost of that Pentium would be massive.

Dog

@Bob Only about 10% faster tbh, so not really worth it

allquicatic

he isn't planning on playing Ashes of the Singularity so multi core is kind of out of the question as being relevant :P

Aibobot

@Bob I think 2 cores is a reasonable assumption

Dog

1:46 AM

Gotta admit RX 4xx cards are really good value for money nomatter how you look at it

Bob

@allquicatic Yea... hard to find an Intel mobo for that cheap

Aibobot

@Dog the main attraction of nvidia is software

Dog

@allquicatic Well you can get an Intel board for <$40 as well, which is basically the same

allquicatic

well if you guys want to take a crack at modifying my pcpartpicker list within $20 of that price point that improves on single-thread CPU perf and/or GPU perf, or delivers similar perf for less money, I'm all ears

Dog

This is $20 over. But isn't the lowest you can go on an Intel systen

allquicatic

1:48 AM

@Dog can you give the permalink to that list?

Bob

@Dog Huh. That didn't come up with sort > price for the Pentium :\

Dog

Well, $320,94 with shipping, so actually only $10.03 more

Bob

Must be PCPP getting confused about FCLGA1151/LGA1151

Dog

@allquicatic Err, yeah, but it's a very quick "throw together whatever random first thing you see" list not a very thought out one: pcpartpicker.com/list/TVg64C

allquicatic

reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/5an5r0/…

Dog

1:49 AM

Also I have never cross-checked PCPartPicker's prices vs. real life

So I dunno how accurate theyare

allquicatic

@Bob what's the difference?

Dog

@allquicatic None

Bob

@allquicatic Same thing

Dog

One just chops an extra two letters off the abbreviation

Bob

oh, PCPP wasn't happy about mixing H110 with DDR3

whoops

Dog

1:58 AM

lol

Wait you can put Skylake together with DDR3?

Oh wait of course you can

Duh

Bob

@allquicatic @Dog pcpartpicker.com/list/Kzg64C

Dog

I wish you couldn't, heck people are still building Kaby Lake laptops with DD3 <_>

Bob

@Dog's list with a G4500.

Dog

They need to stop dat shit

Bob

Much cheaper than G4520, similar-ish perf.

It's also cheaper tha nthe original list at $297 incl $16 shipping :P

Dog

2:00 AM

Dangit Bob, you made something with better perf and less money

Cat outsmarted by a fox again

Bob

@Dog Well, better single-thread... worse multi.

For $5 difference :P

Oh, and more future-proof mobo and RAM as you did.

@allquicatic If you're really price-conscious, the G4400 is significantly cheaper: pcpartpicker.com/list/VjQ4NN

But noticeably worse perf.

Hm... I wonder how overclockable it is

Ack, it's locked multiplier

Dog

Also, I'm not entirely convinced about cpubenchmark being a wholly representative performance comparison

Erf $140 for an Ivy Bridge i3? No thanks

Going Haswell saves a whole $2 off the CPU :-/

But you get a whole lot more motherboard choice under $50

Bob

@Dog True. Take it with a massive chunk of salt. But it's better than cpuboss -_-

@allquicatic @Dog -- Assuming Witcher 3 is similar to Skyrim SE, legitreviews.com/… <== G4400 would be perfectly fine

Dog

@Bob Not nearly as good as HardwareCanucks though ;)

Bob

Really depends on the game though hardwaresecrets.com/a6-7400b-vs-pentium-g4400-cpu-review/8

Dog

2:11 AM

That puts it 20% behind the i3-6100 even in multithreaded (cpubenchmark.net says it's 5% ahead)

IIRC Cinebench is unusually good with HT though

Bob

Huh. No AVX on the Pentium Skylakes

Dog

So the i3-6100 is anything from 30%-90% faster on most things, with a few multithreaded tests where it's basically equal, or at most, 5% behind

In other words I'd 100% recommend the i3-6100 despite the 4% lower multithreaded perf on cpubenchmark - most multithreaded applications are actually up to 50% faster on it

Not sure how to shave an extra $20 off the config though, short of halving the RAM

12GB? 8GB+4GB as a compromise?

Won't lose too much due to dual-channel when you have an external GPU, and a 4GB DDR4 stick is still going to be more futureproof than a 4GB DDR3 stick

Bob

phoronix.com/… phoronix.com/…

Urk. Yea I'm a bit iffy about the G4400 actually :P

Benchmarks are all over the place.

@Dog At that rate you might as well just go 8 GB.

Considering old-Skyrim was only 2 GB, and you have to manually toggle the LAA flag for 3 GB...

Dog

@Bob Eh, 12GB brings it in line with the budget and if RAM's as important as @allquicatic makes it out to be, then 8GB => 12GB should make a big difference

Bob

Give the OS 2 GB, that's still 6 GB (2-3x 32-bit Skyrim) of RAM for the game, within 8 GB.

Dog

2:19 AM

But despite owning half the games on the list I've never played any of them, so I have no idea what they require

Bob

34 mins ago, by allquicatic

@Dog Fallout / Skyrim mods. They use RAM. 64-bit engines. Plus multitasking (TS3, lots of Chrome tabs)

Old Skyrim maxed out at 2 GB without setting LAA, 3.5 GB with.

I have a hard time imagining new Skyrim (64-bit) needing more than maybe 6 GB, even if you load a bunch of mods.

Dog

(Also bear in mind paging is going to be slow as crud with an old HDD system so extra disk cache is more important than usual)

Bob

And you're not gonna be loading a bunch of high-def textures on an RX 460...

Dog

That'd be a funny situation - GPU has 1/2 the RAM of the overall system

Bob

lol

Dog

2:21 AM

hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/…

This page is great as it directly compares the 880K against a whole load of Intel CPUs including the 6100

There's no Pentiums included, BUT you can easily tell which games benefit from 4 cores by comparing the Skylake i3 and i5's

Oh yeah, most of those games are happily GPU limited even at 720p

Aibobot

@Dog my system is roughly like that ;p

Bob

@Dog Yea, really depends on the game you're playing.

Funnily enough, Source games (CS:GO, TF2...) are actually usually CPU-limited.

Dog

@Bob Funny enough most games I play are CPU limited :-P

Which is why it angers me a lot when ignorant fools on forums seem to believe no games are

Bob

@Dog What games are they?

Psycogeek

@Dog especially when it comes to those times when a game frame rate chokes to those horrible frame rates. From what i have seen the Min frame rate stats have been at least as important as the hyped high frame rates.

Dog

2:25 AM

The games I play the most: Star trek online, GTA V, KSP, Cities Skylines

allquicatic

Hey a guy replied on Reddit

Bob

@Dog Oh. Don't know, don't know, heavy physics, lotsofshit :P

Dog

Wasn't me

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

@Dog I'm trying to recover the disk into usable state or see what happens when the reallocated sector count reaches its threshold. While I wait for the client to get back to me so we can talk about purchasing a new one

allquicatic

pcpartpicker.com/list/yMqDZ8

He suggested 8 gigs of ram

1 x 8 GB DDR4

Dog

2:26 AM

@Bob Aka smart games with lots of complex things happening vs. fancy graphics and explosions? :-P

Bob

Yea, simulation games are usually heavier on the CPU

@Dog ...pretty much

Dog

@allquicatic Yeah, I did suggest 8+4 as a compromise

Bob

@allquicatic lol. funny how everyone is on the same page

Dog

Hey I suggested the 6100+H110M first :-P

allquicatic

a 6100 with 1 x 8 GB DDR4 is extremely upgradeable as they get more money in the future, too

they can go to 16 gigs without tossing out any existing hardware, just using the empty slot

I think I'll recommend that build

Dog

2:31 AM

@allquicatic Yeah, was gonna say the RAM is going to be the easiest to upgrade

Though my 12GB recommendation comes in at $303.95 if you go with Newegg's free shipping

But you'd have to chuck the 4GB to upgrade OR chuck the mainboard

Bob

@allquicatic might wanna make sure the board has all the slots you need

though at $40 it isn't all that painful to just toss when upgrade time comes

@Dog yea, you did :P

Dog

TBH the 6100 was the smart choice (well the only choice I actually made based on knowledge and thinking, everything else was literally leave default compatibility filter on, sort by price, click cheapest)

Well, that's another total refresh of my "desperately cheap" component knowledge

A segment of the market I generally have little to no knowledge of, given that most of time I'm trying to build a system that's faster than the top i7

Now that I think about it, despite the very short period between Broadwell desktop and Skylake desktop, Skylake-E HEDT can't really come out after the same delay. In fact it can't really come out before Kaby Lake desktop, cause the model numbering would break (7900K etc. before any desktop 7-series CPUs are out)

Aibobot

heh

My low end is ... lower end

I either own mustangs, or mopeds, if you want to use a car analogy

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

@Bob Come on Bob, of course your need hot water at first, how else would you steep the tea?

@BenN what do you mean by let's Encrypt being incompatible with windows?

Ben N

I couldn't find a Windows client for it

Aibobot

2:43 AM

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere because civilisation has deteriorated to the point of instant tea

@BenN isn't there a manual setup option?

Ben N

Uh, I'm not sure

There's no Windows entry on the Certbot page, and the LE web site doesn't seem to mention Windows

I guess I could set it up on a Linux machine and rig up some horrible thing to transplant the cert when it's updated

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

@bwDraco oooooooooooo what can I test my skylake on? :O

bwDraco

> oooooooooooo

lol

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

a windows client, what does that mean, like yeah I guess the bash script installed the certificate for me. but people made those scripts I'm sure you as an experienced programmer can create a a POWERShell scripts to do the job! :)

didnt see what got removed I was too busy typing powershell

cool 1 star

Ben N

If I understand correctly, the scripts depend on some compiled package? Not sure TBH

Bob

2:49 AM

@BenN WSL might work, but it's supposed to be dev-only...

Ben N

Oooh, I forgot about that

Aw, but my web server is Windows Server 2008 :/

Bob

@BenN Does Server 2016 even do WSL?

Ben N

I'm not sure, let me check...

Bob

Huh, that reminds me. I should give 2016 a test run :D

*heads over to azure*

Ben N

I don't see any mention of the WSL in the WS16 notes :(

Bob

2:54 AM

@BenN can you see msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowscontainers/…

I just get redirected back to the homepage :\

Ben N

Me too

Bob

fail

social.msdn.microsoft.com/Search/…

from their own site search too

allquicatic

Friend is going to wait til Black Friday / Cyber Monday week and see if the prices on this drop, then buy it

thanks all for the help

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-460-vs-AMD-R7-360/3641vs3572

nice gpu :( probably has better power consumption too

@Bob I think you're forgetting that 64 bit OS'es use a bit more RAM. More like 3 GB of RAM with the 64bit, and if it's windows 10, I've heard stories, it's not good

are 40 dollar motherboards reliable? I bought a 120 dollar cause I wanted to be safe

Bob

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Uhm, no. I run VMs with 0.75 GB RAM, and the OS is fine there.

If anything, 2 GB is far more than the OS needs.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

3:03 AM

@Bob try removing the page file hehe

Bob

Also, don't let the FUD around the System process using large amounts of memory confuse you.

It's just reported under System but it's actually compressed pages (zram) from other processes.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

well idk maybe it's necessary to use a page file if you have less then 12 gigs of RAM then. I completely forgot I removed mine

Bob

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere You should always have a page file.

That has little to do with actual RAM usage.

A lot of memory is requested but never written to.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

I will never have a page file

Bob

Windows will refuse to accept these requests unless it has sufficient backing storage for all allocated memory. Linux handles the same situation with its OOM killer randomly terminating processes when they actually try to use the memory they are allocated.

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Then don't bother getting into discussions about RAM usage, because you intentionally broke your own system.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

3:06 AM

@Bob the system has been running for over a year without a page file with no issues

Bob

Says the guy who thinks the OS actually uses 3 GB of RAM.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

I think it's actually at 16mb for the error messages let me check

very funny. okay let's hug now and say sorry to eachother

Bob

More practically, you've probably got at least a third, if not half, your RAM sitting completely idle and wasting power, while not being able to provide disk cache services.

The whole idea of removing the page file is utterly stupid and based on misinformation.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

oh no I have the disk write cache enabled so my ssd lasts longer

okay I lied, minimum allowed for all drives: 16 MB, currently allocated: 0 MB . it's all good

actually my RAM is

not sitting completely idle. but Im sure it's wasting power being so filled up.

only 1 watts though

Bob

...

idle RAM still uses the same amount of power

"System Commit 15.9 GB" <== utter fail

You have zero disk cache because you've already hit your commit limit

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

3:12 AM

you're telling me utter fail. who the heck designed the software using up all my RAM?!

Bob

Oh wait you have 20 megs because you haven't quite hit it yet

...you're in a state where if you try to allocate 50 MB you get an OOM error

and you go blaming Microsoft

!!triplefacepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

if I watch a video, firefox will crash

I do blame microsoft

Bob

omfg

this is all completely your fault

and you refuse to accept it, or fix it

when it's so bloody simple

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

do you see why I blame microsoft?

what I dont understand is why procexp thinks I have 300MB of RAM available even though commit charge is near its limit and I don't have a page file

Bob

3:16 AM

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Because you have absolutely no understanding of how virtual memory works.

allquicatic

wtf, why has chkdsk allocated 14 gigs of memory

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

That is true Bob. My knowledge is limited. Maybe it's a virtual amount programs asked for. why physical is what they are actually using of that virtual memory

allquicatic

that's completely ridiculous

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

because chkdsk will request more RAM until all your RAM is nearly gone, even though that doesn't seem to help it go faster

Bob

That's ~500 MB resident, ~14 GB commit. Commit that would not be using any actual RAM if only, oh, I don't know... the OS had somewhere else, like maybe a page file, to reserve for it.

It's never actually written to, anyway.

allquicatic

3:18 AM

@Bob is the 14GB commit being stored in physical memory due to the lack of a page file, then?

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

anyone here wants to tell me how to hack and free a bunch of chkdsk's allocated ram and see what happens? (hur hur hur)

Bob

@allquicatic Yup.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

oh no those columns are 14 GB private bytes, 500mb working set, 14 GB virtual size

Bob

Windows will always make sure all committed memory has a place to go in the event of the program actually tryign to use it.

So, e.g., a malloc will return an error code instead of crashing when the successfully allocated memory is written to (*cough*linux*cough)

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

it's okay Bob my RAM never gets used anyways unless I decide to run 3 VMs at the same time, so I don't need a page file

allquicatic

3:21 AM

@Bob I believe Solaris takes the Windows approach.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

I have a hard disk in here anyways that can hold the page file if I ever wanted one

Bob

@allquicatic This is also why one should always have a page file. Even if you have enough RAM that touched pages are always resident, the page file prevents committed-but-not-touched pages from using up RAM that can be better used for disk cache. Oh, and prevents this kind of fun situation where literally >85% of RAM is sitting completely unused because it's locked up as commit.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

thanks for educating me Bob

Bob

So this guy is out of memory when > 85% of his RAM is never used and is in fact completely unusable.

It's a completely ridiculous situation of his own making.

Gah. I need more tea.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

now I think that you're the ridiculous one putting in unnecessary energy into why I should use a pagefile when I am completely content with my life choice of not emplying one

Bob

3:25 AM

@allquicatic Linux will too, if you turn off overcommit. I think some distros do that by default.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Bob can I ask you a question?

Bob

@allquicatic As of 2008, Solaris won't overcommit unless specifically requested by the program: unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.unix.solaris/2008-03/…

I believe Windows has a similar option.

Can't think of when anyone would use it, though.

VirtualAlloc w/ MEM_RESERVE on Windows.

Ah... that's done so you can reserve a large contiguous block of addresses and then later commit them as necessary.

Reduce fragmentation, basically.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

OMG I NEEDD sorry oh dang firefox almost crashed I had to kill a program to make more RAM space. I need 1 more reputation to comment on an answer that seems incorrect due to my findings

Bob

And now I'm starting to suspect trolling. Either that or you're actually proud of being in such an insane situation.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

http://stackoverflow.com/a/3030323/4425643

"Virtual size is the number of pages that the process has allocated, those pages not currently in the working set (physically loaded in RAM) will be in the system's page file."

Right so the pages not allocated in the page file cause it's too small will be in RAM?

that doesn't work because if I add up all the process virtual sizes I get a big number.

I was semi trolling before because it was funny that you were angry due to my lack of page file

I have 5.1GB virtual size plus the 14.3 GB virtual size of chkdsk that's 19 GB of virtual size while I have 16 GB of RAM and 0 GB of page file

Bob

3:35 AM

@allquicatic btw, that's by design

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

and it's windows 7 so there isnt this RAM common things sharing like in windows 8

Bob

@allquicatic I think the idea is to commit ~sizeof(RAM) and let the OS swap it out if something else needs it. Basically, use as much physical memory as it possibly can, under the assumption that if you're running a chkdsk /r then something is already FUBAR and you want to fixitfixitfixitnowpleaseohgoddontlosedatafixitfixit!

chkdsk is one of those few programs that ideally would like so much more space than RAM anyone has, but of course trying to allocate so much is futile. At the same time, it's such a high-priority task that there's not much point in playing nice and restricting RAM usage to the minimum required (forcing more reads from the possibly damaged disk).

@allquicatic oh yea, that's coming up in a few weeks, isn't it? might be worth seeing if there's any other parts discounted more, or if there's a cheap prebuilt box? :P

heck, if shipping didn't cost so much, I'd send over an SSD... I've got more than the number of ports anyway -_-

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

true I should set the process priority to a higher value and see if that causes chkdsk to be the one who gets out of memory errors

@Bob you seem to be ignoring me. It is not my fault that your world stands on the existance of page files. have a good night.

Bob

3:52 AM

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Or, perhaps, possibly, I simply do not have anything further to say to you. It's entirely up to you if you want to run a system in a broken state that you chose to create.

If you're going to start blaming your own mistakes on others (e.g. MS, in this case) in a public forum, sure, I'll simply make sure it's clear to others that you're the one who caused the issue. Not much point in actually trying to teach one who won't listen, but preventing further spread of misinformation is useful.

Bob

4:26 AM

I think your options are 1. Your measuring technique is flawed, 2. The compiler writes better assembly that you, or 3. The compiler uses magic. — Galik 22 hours ago

Journeyman Geek

5:22 AM

Asked at work what their plans are. I'll know at the end of the week if they want to keep me on after the contract ends.

If nothing else I have 2 days of leave I can't encash

Bob

6:09 AM

Microsoft.

What.

@BenN I don't see the BoUoW feature on Server

Journeyman Geek

.-.

Bob

lol. it comes with IE11 but no Edge

ah, LTSB builds don't have Edge

and apparently there's no way to install it

fail, fail, fail

Aibobot

6:51 AM

erf. Printers

Bob

7:50 AM

@Aibobot printers!

djsmiley2k

morning yall

Appently the only one active is @bob, so hi :D

Freedo

Hello

does anyone here knows about webkey?

djsmiley2k

Never heard of it

Freedo

open source android app to share your screen with a webserver

I've noticing some delays when trying to play games

My internet speeds are OK, how I can know if it's because of my phone or the app?

djsmiley2k

hmmmmmmm

no idea :/

Though I'd be doubtful something like that is ever going to be fast enough for games

Freedo

7:57 AM

I think 100ms is totally doable

they are both on high speed wifi

but it's like 500-700ms? Not sure

djsmiley2k

welp good luck, I have no idea how to test it :/

Bob

@djsmiley2k ello

@Freedo 500ms would be more than some delay...

like, an order of magnitude more

Freedo

I can play online games with 500ms of ping

of course 100 is better, but it's not unplayable with 500

but yeah i think it's the app, because the phone doesn't lag

djsmiley2k

Most likely

is the app isn't designed for gaming responses, then i wouldn't expect it to be that fast

Freedo

8:20 AM

ok just one more question about security

I can access it relayed by their servers but I also can asses with my internalIP:port and externalIP:port

then the connection will be direct between my phone and my browser right?

It does look more real time now

djsmiley2k

8:38 AM

I'd expect so

the fact it's going via their servers is horrible

Aibobot

@Bob I've moved 5 today

I need to prep another 18 for deployment

Burgi

morning

DavidPostill

9:03 AM

morning

Aibobot

9:20 AM

@Bob PRRRIIINNNNTEEERRRSSSSS!

Rahul2001

9:55 AM

Hello!

Bob

10:14 AM

@JourneymanGeek bl tonight?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob seems likely yes.

Bob

ph test strips arrived

ammonia turns them blue

soil is... neutral. or mistested

djsmiley2k

sounds about right

good soil then

Bob

it's clay soil

Daniele

10:59 AM

Hi guys I need an advice

A teoretically really simple question. What Is the best monitor for mainly video editing and some gaming(1080p Is enough since I have got a gtx 1060) for around 300$?

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