Root Access

9:00 AM

I think so

Why not take one for the team and try it? ;p

@HackToHell all i know is we had run windows setups right out of hard disks before , after just copying the files to them. but that was rather long ago. the ram breakout the boot around, the install all the same.

Nate Kerkhofs

@Psycogeek Stupid thing is, that this is on a fresh Windows 10 install

Psycogeek

@NateKerkhofs but not a standard one :-) didnt someone mention slight changes , that (hell i donno) might skew the results some?

@HackToHell The importat aspect of running off of odd media then was , where the copied files went, what it goes back to on re-boot, and reboot again. Because I had to do that proper , with only temporary cd/dvd & HD boot priorities , I almost knew what i was doing already:-),

ok so i scwered it up a few times, but it was NEW , it was FREE and damn-it i got it installed.

Nate Kerkhofs

9:20 AM

someone just mentioned "Aborted Unicorn" on a forum I follow and I suddenly realized how that would not stand out at all in something like The Witcher

HackToHell

9:32 AM

@Psycogeek ah

How long does the 8.1 -> 10 thing takes ?

Psycogeek

Average ~6 hours for all the "trying" to do it, average ~20 minutes to do it correct :-)

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell If everything works out, under an hour

HackToHell

if everything works out xD

Journeyman Geek

lol

I once spent over a day on a linux install

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Only once?

Journeyman Geek

9:43 AM

@Bob: Oh, yeah

I mean, to get the damn thing booting

Was trying to move a wubi install to a real drive

and things went badly

Got it working, eventually

HackToHell

Every damn time I update ubuntu, I have to spend atleast a day on it to get it to work

Journeyman Geek

lol

My typical install is quicker

Not much additional software tho

Kubuntu + Firefox + qbitorrent for desktops lighttpd, mysql,php-fpm for web servers

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That too

(spent probably >40 hours over a week ironing out issues with zfs boot...)

Journeyman Geek

Also, NOT use the local mirrors

@Bob: heh. I go fairly basic on stuff like that

typically ext3/4

(and well, my home linux boxen are essentially disposable)

Psycogeek

@Bob ZFS, stuff that you should document in blogs that sit at the top of google searches , to save another 10,000 peoples weeks .

Bob

9:55 AM

Jun 30 at 21:49, by Bob

I'll write this whole thing up properly into a blog post or something at some point... already have it documented thanks to JMG :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

My "blog" is utterly empty

Actually, I don't think the container is even running.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob Mine's mostly empty

Bob

> 502 Bad Gateway

nup

Journeyman Geek

got 2 things currently being written

Bob

9:56 AM

It's prettttty far down my todo list

Journeyman Geek

(windows 10 first impressions, and a piece on my backup setup)

journeymangeek.com/index.php/… was the most recent one I wrote ;p

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek kewl

hey wait , how do you read that in 4K ees all tiny fonts.

at least it is bigger than a casio watch manuels fonts

Bob

@Psycogeek font scaling

Nate Kerkhofs

First round of windows update finished

now for the second round

Psycogeek

the dark theme is nice

Journeyman Geek

10:12 AM

@Psycogeek: Its set at 150%

I can set it up to 200

I actually wish I could set my secoond screen at less than 100% so they'd match

(hey, windows 10 has per screen manual scaling again!)

@Psycogeek: Its a 'stock'ish theme other than the logo

Psycogeek

(4k monitor) "The USB ports shut down when it goes on standby" as in when the computer puts only the monitor in standby ? that sucks , mine (2.0) only does that when i hit the power pannel switch all the monitors and audio reside on. and i have to remember not to freaking hit that when printing , as most of the things plugged into the monitor are the long term parked items , because of the access to it.

Journeyman Geek

Yup. So you can't really use it for charging, or stuff that needs to be on all the time

Also, you can set it to keep the power light off when its switched on

Which is great.

(I mean, its obvious when your monitor is on right?)

Psycogeek

I want More pictures , you know i only look at the picture anyways .

Journeyman Geek

lol

I post them here!

You guys have seen like ...4-5 different setups of mine

Psycogeek

I want to see the base , and any pivot and height adjustments , the back pannel, and more stuff on the screen how it would kinda look (even if it would be hard to see without being there)

Journeyman Geek

10:19 AM

@Psycogeek: ahh yeah

@Psycogeek: er... 360 degree adjustment, good tilt/pan...

(also, that was a phone cam pic. ._.)

@Psycogeek: the U and P series dells have fantastic adjustability

Nate Kerkhofs

So, bare essentials installed: Norton 360, Chrome, Display drivers

now I just need to install Dropbox and 1Password

Journeyman Geek

bottom panel

Psycogeek

it is really funny, when you say it is all yellow :-) or was the other one all blue :-)

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: Its correct. The typical monitor is caliberated too blue

The stand slots into that square space (and you can buy a dual monitor stand)

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek now that is a great pic. that belongs in the blog/review.

Journeyman Geek

10:24 AM

There's a cover over that too

Its not mine ;p

@Psycogeek: Its not one of mine ;p

There's another rear port

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek sweet

The strangest things turn me on sigh

Whee installing windows 10

moved all the work that needs to be done to a remote server so even if everything dies, I can work from a live fs :D

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek standard VESA mount? I learned that Acronm/idea late after coolly having them on monitors , then finnaly realising i could swap bases (with similar weight monitors)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek correct is entirely subjective

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: True, but this has a piece of paper saying its correct ;p

Nate Kerkhofs

pro tip: it's not just your password you can make a typo in. usernames are also vulnerable

Journeyman Geek

10:29 AM

@Psycogeek: its a dell standard

NOT vesa but there ought to be adaptors

Psycogeek

@Bob correct would have a CRi index and a thing called a spectrum :-)

@JourneymanGeek it looks like the same thing?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: ran through the windows caliberation thing by eye. No changes needed

@Psycogeek: no screw holes ;p

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek ohh, then i dont have VESA , crap, just dell intermingling.

Journeyman Geek

Its a thing like this

@Bob: On the other hand, I can't even get the gamma right on the other two

ahh

there's vesa holes behind the mounting plate

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek wait there are screws? 4 ?

Journeyman Geek

10:35 AM

No screws

snaps in

Psycogeek

in the monitor look at the back picture you just posted? sure they are not the right length and all, nothing a trip to the hardware store and a dremmel wont fix

Journeyman Geek

lol

or an appropriate snap in panel

Psycogeek

I never actually bought a vesa thing, but it always looks like the holes are in about the same place no?

Journeyman Geek

Ya

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek the only other thing i wanted to leech out of you about that specific 4k, is how that works out when you are at 4K res desktop, and run game in 1920

Journeyman Geek

10:41 AM

@Psycogeek: its fine. I run QHD

as long as its divisible, its fine

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek in theroy , but in reality and practical use and when you actually do it, is all that counts :-)

So you have gamed in 4K , my first thought is easy to render games would have tiny texts in full res ?

Journeyman Geek

I think those things should scale

I need at least a 970 or better to do proper 4k gaming tho ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eww

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: every recent dell uses that

Works ok

Bob

@JourneymanGeek well, I guess it depends on the type

the desktop monitor ones are usually halfway decent

Journeyman Geek

10:46 AM

The P series, U series...

Bob

the laptop screen bevel snap-ins... eww

take it off once and it'll never sit right again

and that's if you don't destroy the screen in the pricess

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: My old FP2007s at work have the same basic design

Bob

or snap the bevel entirely

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Oh, the stands?

Removable

Psycogeek

then the opposite almost, running super 3D , ohh i know Watch dogs ? or what was that, run in 1/4 res? have you actually done that yet?

Journeyman Geek

10:48 AM

They do want people to upgrade to 2,3 or 4 monitor setups ;p

Naw I can't do the whole super-sampling thing

My video card is a bottleneck here ;p

Psycogeek

@Bob the fully adjustable (height and tilt) bases are spring loaded, and you have to be really carefull installing them, well actually uninstalling them, when they are "loaded" but the snap in snap out, works great, to toss it in the car and all.

Journeyman Geek

They work pretty well

Bob

@Psycogeek yea, I've had them before

Journeyman Geek

(monitors are the only thing dell I'll ever buy ;p)

Psycogeek

I started with bases like that only because i hated the cheap flimsey bases most monitors had. Really i never profile a monitor cept to prove i can, i do height adjust a lot (but you can put books under:-) More than anything when the printer is rocking the desk :-) the monitor is still.

Journeyman Geek

10:54 AM

lol

@Psycogeek: I have a pair of small decorative wooden crates under my 24"

its a lower end dell so.... it dosen't have the nice adjustable stand

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek but did you run one of the (say) assasins creed on it in HD res (low for that thing)

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: I've run dishonoured at merely 4x HD res ;p

Rather than 8x

Hopefully they'll fix up batman by the time I do a video card upgrade ;)

Psycogeek

Ok well that is harder to render 3D game, unlike say Minecraft or tropico, or some dungeon crawler , so how well does that work? Say you run a 1920 display and play, and then run that diplay in the exact same res , there is no difference in speed then?

Journeyman Geek

Minecraft just looks bigger ;p

Psycogeek

cause it is 27"

Scenario : You have a 4K monitor and Only EVER run it at 1920x1080 (or1200) , logically the video card itself is not doing any more work than a 1920 monitor ?

Bob

11:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek ...I rather like their membrane keyboards

Psycogeek

the Monitor itself has to do some light 4-1 interpolation, is there zero negative effect there?

Then finnally , when never leaving 1920 resolution in the 4k monitor, what is the visual effects of the 4X pixels , and tiny RGB cells?

Journeyman Geek

Nope.

Er. I have no idea. Shouldn't be too bad tho

Psycogeek

the 27" 1920x1080 monitor here , for blindy the landlord , when i sit at the same distance as my 24" the "cell walls" pixel size thing is really distracting "I see Squares"

Psycogeek

11:24 AM

If a 4K monitor would do everything a 1920 monitor does too, without any issues Cleartype sub pixel rendering? and the pixels are so small that everything is cleaner. Then even if my use would be at 1920 most of the time, it would still be a good improvment?

Psycogeek

11:40 AM

"I actually decided to test this yesterday when installing, so when I was finished upgrading to Windows 10 I extracted the new product key from my registry and then I tried to do a clean install using that key. Sadly the Windows 10 installer doesn't recognize that key as valid." superuser.com/questions/947461/…

No no this cant be.

Nate Kerkhofs

Ug, this is like the 4th DVD I'm burning to fix this Windows thing

Psycogeek

@NateKerkhofs and i was hoping everything would have worked .

Nate Kerkhofs

First was a Windows 10 ISO, then a GParted Live DVD, then a Windows 7 without eicfg file

This time, it's office though

office professional plus 2013

Psycogeek

you are installing all this stuff ? but have not achieved upgrade yet? is that a lot of work for something not yet at the stage you want to finish?

Nate Kerkhofs

I'm not sure myself

I think it's time to start installing Windows 10 now

oh, wait, can't yet

Psycogeek

11:49 AM

How about a clone backup? so you can pop back in at this point at anytime?

Me i always do a "clean install Clone" so i never have to do that again :-)

Nate Kerkhofs

Does Windows 7 have a default way of doing that, or do I need software for that?

Psycogeek

@NateKerkhofs windows has a backup method. and it does restore from a recovery disk or partition stuff. but i would never be caught dead using it. lots of people have had problems when they went to restore.

My opinion is that when i need to restore, shit isnt going to be working right :-) well duhh . So i do my OS partition backup when outside of said system, so when i am STUCK outside of said system, i just undo (restore) the same way i created the backup.

Aconis has a free clone imaging capability that is free if somehwere in your system you have a WD hard drive WD acronis ,

djsmiley2k

dd

clonezilla

Psycogeek

Problem with free WD acronis (just like the stupid system) if your WD drive is no longer found . . . well. so I eventually bought acronis, but still only use it from the boot cd.

Then many of the disk manufactures have Full Disk clone software for free, the pont being to change a hard drive.

And all the free cloning stuff, that runs off a linux disk, and whatever is on a HIrens or something

And Ghost , which was wonderfull then it was horribly obsoleted and ineffective, and may have made a comeback, but i wont be using it again.

My method is to create an "image File" of the OS partition. plus a clone parition to a seperate disk for Dual booting the same as backup.

Image files , can be compressed, and are easy to plop about anywhere, and have them hanging around all over the place, should even multiple things go wrong.

a compressed image file of a clean install of win7pro64 is ~5gig, post update is ~7-8gig

returning to a clean install image file for my system, takes 5 minutes max, including booting to the cd and finding it and everything. it takes me that long to friggen type in that damn key :-)

Nate Kerkhofs

12:14 PM

Do I need to have the Windows 10 GWX.exe running and my computer marked as "reserved" to be able to get the upgrade?

Psycogeek

I do not think you need the button, or reservations at all, just any pre-requisite updates. and legit installed 7 or 8.1

I think even most of the pre-requisite stuff was all about the poorly implemented windows update stuff anyways.

Nate Kerkhofs

Okay, then I'm just going to try and install

Psycogeek

but what about the backup, are you going to trust the installer to (it does) decide it doesnt work and try to retract most of it?

Nate Kerkhofs

AT this point, I just am out of options

Psycogeek

with a backup, you can go hog wild, beat on it, change it, try crasy things, restore it and try more crasy things

Journeyman Geek

12:23 PM

ahh joy

My backups broke

Nate Kerkhofs

The only difference between what I've done so far and a backup is that the backup is just 2 hours of patching

I am prepared to go through that again if necesary

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek did you verify it :-)

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: I can't make new backups for some reason

Nate Kerkhofs

Okay, the installer has started

time to go do some chores while I'm waiting

Psycogeek

Journeyman Geek

12:28 PM

meh. I can try reinstalling

Tho, I THINK the issue is with the NAS and windows 10 for some reason

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek and which software?

Journeyman Geek

vem endpoint backup

Psycogeek

like you can search, but i find this quick, as if it is common veeam.com/kb2057

Journeyman Geek

did that

Also, I uninstalled and can't reinstall it ;p

HackToHell

yay at windows 10, video drivers are fucked up

Will post screenies after at proper resolution

Psycogeek

12:43 PM

VEM ugg they say there, wait for us to get our stuff together, and dang if it looks like they have every intention of doing so, that is sooo refreshing

Nate Kerkhofs

So far, looks like the installation worked just fine

It's now on the "this won't take long screen" where it installs my apps

Psycogeek

@NateKerkhofs dont forget to get those verifyable pictures of it installing , someday you will want them for posterity :-)

Nate Kerkhofs

@Psycogeek I think by the time my godchild has grown up enough to understand it, they won't understand it

Psycogeek

I want to see them

show me sucess

Nate Kerkhofs

well, looks like all that time spent installing dropbox, chrome, 1password and the rest was wasted

nothing has survived

Psycogeek

12:47 PM

u h hu huuuu ooooh :-(

allquixotic

win10 installed on my desktop without a hitch @Bob - seems it upgrades fine if you have an ISO

DragonLord

0

Q: Windows 10: Laptop display refuses to turn off

I've just upgraded to Windows 10 Pro on my laptop and now the display refuses to turn off even if I lock the session or after the configured timeout (15 minutes on AC, 3 minutes on battery). The Monoff utility causes the screen to switch off, but it comes back on immediately, suggesting spurious...

Psycogeek

oh and VEM is changing thier slogan for a while , from "it Just Works" to "It will Work Again"

Nate Kerkhofs

Why can't I install Geforce experience anymore?

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: I warned about that.

Psycogeek

12:53 PM

@allquixotic pictures or it doesnt count, show us your . . . start menu , yea thats the ticket.

Pandya

As no answer/attention, I am planning to start (small) bounty for that. Any suggestion? @JourneymanGeek

Nate Kerkhofs

Long time since I last had to manually install a Nvidia driver without help of Geforce Experience

Journeyman Geek

@Pandya: I'd wait a say or two more ;p

@Psycogeek lupinenet.com/10.png There you go ;p

Pandya

@JourneymanGeek I didn't understand exactly (what is your mean)

Nate Kerkhofs

Okay, Geforce installer seems to work now

Psycogeek

1:04 PM

@JourneymanGeek ok now were talking, that one whole lotta pixies :-)

Pandya

:P my speaking language isn't English (so requesting simple english)

Journeyman Geek

@Pandya I think it's too soon to bounty.

Pandya

@JourneymanGeek ok

allquixotic

@Pandya he meant wait a DAY or two, not a SAY or two :-)

Pandya

@allquixotic oh! now I understood why I had not understood exactly!

:D

Journeyman Geek

1:06 PM

Ahh. Damn my paws

Nate Kerkhofs

As soon as dropbox has been installed, I'm having a SS as well

Pandya

good bye

allquixotic

Psycogeek

compresssion and destruction (high loss re-coding) proxies sucked back in 1990 and were mostly abandoned. would have to be really desperate for bandwith to use that again.

I dont know how much interest it would gain

Nate Kerkhofs

Actually, apparently my Dropbox folder, and thus my 1password folder, weren't removed

allquixotic

1:17 PM

peacekeeper.futuremark.com/…

wtf Microsoft Edge? why are you reporting yourself as Chrome 42 (oh and btw Edge)?

hnnnnnnnnnng

GFSE

GemsFromStackExchange: All hands on deck.

posted on July 30, 2015

All hands on deck.

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek yep :D

Arrgh i want my 8.1 start menu back

This is fucking cluttered

allquixotic

there's my Start10 menu :D

Journeyman Geek

Tablet mode might work there.

I just use search

Nate Kerkhofs

That's done as well for me

Now the long tail: installing all the applications I've lost

allquixotic

1:25 PM

my system is more "lived-in", and I have more software installed, than 99.9% of users, and the upgrade went smoothly for me. \o/

DragonLord

0

Q: Windows 10: Laptop display refuses to turn off

System: Clevo P157SM (Sager NP8255-S). I've just upgraded to Windows 10 Pro on my laptop and now the display refuses to turn off even if I lock the session or after the configured timeout (15 minutes on AC, 3 minutes on battery). It doesn't matter whether the laptop is plugged in. The Monoff ut...

laptop display acpi windows-10

Any ideas?

Psycogeek

@allquixotic great. question how much space total do you figure your Virtual studio 2013 package is? SU user with 96g SSD was running out of space, VS was a lot of it.

Nate Kerkhofs

@allquixotic well, I'm not the average user. I had an SSD upgrade where apparently something went wrong with my system reserved partition, and I had to first reinstall Windows 7 from scratch, TWICE

allquixotic

@Psycogeek I don't really keep track of disk space; I have 8 TB of it.

@DragonLord Other than updating drivers? No. I'll test on my laptop tonight and see if it does the same, but I doubt it will.

Psycogeek

@allquixotic oh he was looking for a way to have it work on another disk, told it where it could go in install and it did what it wanted :-) par.

Bob

1:30 PM

@allquixotic eh...

@allquixotic I still want to do a clean install, maybe on an SSD.

Looking at the 850 EVO (~$250 for 500 GB)

Psycogeek

@NateKerkhofs you now have OSX :-)

Nate Kerkhofs

@Psycogeek I would star that if it weren't hideously offensive to say such a thing to a Diehard windows fan

Psycogeek

maybe we call it WOSX

allquixotic

Bob

@allquixotic Hey it actually lists feature levels now! :D

allquixotic

1:34 PM

scrolling in Chrome is way smoother

but to be fair I turned on the experimental hw rasterization

Bob

@allquixotic Chrome doesn't enable smooth scrolling by default

FF has had it enabled for years now, and it's mostly fine... still issues occasionally and it sucks over RDP

Psycogeek

@NateKerkhofs What is NLD (system notification tray ares)

Nate Kerkhofs

@Psycogeek Nederlands (Dutch)

It's my system language

Also, just saw that Happy Birthday wish and noticed I hadn't starred it yet

HackToHell

It's bloody crappy for me :(

Should I be switching on cortana ?

Nate Kerkhofs

ah crap, I can't activate my Office Professional Plus 2013. It tells me the key is wrong

HackToHell

1:45 PM

Anyone read through the privacy stuff ?

Nate Kerkhofs

okay, then I'll just use Thunderbird for my mails

oh, right, Windows 10 has a mail app

Psycogeek

@HackToHell what is ? looks good.

HackToHell

@Psycogeek The start menu

The programs are too small

I liked it stretched out

Psycogeek

What does this mean? i beat chrome (using 5x memory)

I followed @allquixotic link peacekeeper.futuremark.com/… but it did not show his stored results, sooo i pushed de button.

I kinda feel sorry for that ipad now :-(

DragonLord

2:04 PM

Kraken JS benchmarks:

Firefox 39: 1152.3ms
Firefox Developer Edition 41.0a2: 1100.4ms
Internet Explorer 11: 2006.6ms (no wonder why...)
Microsoft Edge: 1080.7ms (yeah!)

Psycogeek

Chrome 44.0.2403.125 = 4216 ohh, nope , Going to have to OC to get to that chrome

Nate Kerkhofs

why can't I chat?

oh, now it works

Journeyman Geek

;p

Nate Kerkhofs

A moment ago, I got a bunch of "an unknown error has occured"

I refreshed the page, and it's fixed

Psycogeek

it is pre-releace they will fix it before it gets releaced :-)

Nate Kerkhofs

2:11 PM

I have to honestly say that having an OS that actually supports dual monitor setups works A LOT better with them than one that doesn't have it

Psycogeek

I had 2 monitors in XP , worked fine? what big changes we got here stickey corners?

Nate Kerkhofs

No, a taskbar on the second monitor

which was one of my biggest gripes with my dual monitor setup on Windows 7

Psycogeek

Ahh yes that is nicely done, but a freeware 3rd party program has done that for , well xp

microsft and apple invent everything :-) actually GLass effects on the desktop existed in hydrovision ATI (now amd) before microsoft even thought of it.

Bob

@Psycogeek Not gonna run any benchmarks right now. Background CPU usage is a tad high from the compression task.

Nate Kerkhofs

@Psycogeek Still, default support built-in to the OS is still better than having to bandaid patch it in

Psycogeek

2:20 PM

@Bob I think this benchmark was not very taxing :-) my gpu and cpu didnt even wake up half the time . I suppose that is the 2D , which has not been a high GPU priority.

Bob

> Latest update: Yesterday
11:00 PM
Package has left the carrier facility
US

O_O

Did it just spend a whole week without even making it out of the US?!

>

Wed 29 Jul 2015 22:00

Departed facility

JOHN F. KENNEDY APT/NEW YORK (US)

wow.

Nate Kerkhofs

@Bob what did you order?

Bob

@NateKerkhofs Stuff ;P

Nate Kerkhofs

kinky stuff?

Psycogeek

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_HydraVision Spelling correct HydraVision. Many headed greek monster , Not Hydro Water Phht , and all this time , i thought it was about water , like transparent water.

Bob

2:27 PM

@NateKerkhofs I'll leave it up to your imagination.

(Does Amazon even sell that kind of stuff?)

(I'm afraid to search. It'll spam my mailbox.)

Psycogeek

@Bob It hasnt been to the grand canyon yet .

Nate Kerkhofs

@Bob Amazon has so much kindle literotica (a lot of it themed around werecreatures and -vehicles)

I'm fairly sure they got something like massage oil and insertion toys as well

Bob

@NateKerkhofs Oh yea, the legendary 55 gal drum

Nate Kerkhofs

so yeah, Amazon has kinky stuff

Bob

Shipping it here would probably cost more money than I have.

Nate Kerkhofs

2:31 PM

55 gal drum? Is that like the 40 virgins Muslims get for blowing themselves up?

A barrel containing 55 different women?

Bob

@NateKerkhofs hehe, it was actually the first google result (NSFW?) for 55 gallon drum amazon

Nate Kerkhofs

@Bob a 55 gallon drum of lube? The person who manages to sell that must be a very slick salesman

Journeyman Geek

hmm

intowindows.com/how-to-change-title-bar-color-in-windows-10

this worked

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I actually find the new folder icons kinda ugly.

Journeyman Geek

yeah ;p

Funny story

Friend of mine had his laptop stolen 2 years ago

Police find it...

and apparently the laptop and everything else hasn't been touched

Like, he turns it on, and same stuff he was last working on was there

Bob

2:39 PM

@JourneymanGeek that's what they want you to think :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

DragonLord

Octane:

Firefox 39: 29411
Firefox Developer Edition 41.0a2: 30624
Internet Explorer 11: 16228
Microsoft Edge: 30893

Bob

@DragonLord Got results for Chrome & Opera?

DragonLord

Sorry, don't run any of these.

Bob

(In theory, Opera uses Blink. In practice, I'm curious how its performance compares.)

@DragonLord :)

Nate Kerkhofs

2:46 PM

I have to say, even though it took me an entire day to install it, Windows 10 was worth it

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Bob

(I keep Chrome for testing purposes, and ... I think I have 11.5 of Opera installed because I never bothered to remove it.)

DragonLord

Never mind, rerunning Octane with asm.js support enabled.

blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2015/05/07/…

Bob

:23111151 In theory, asm.js can run on any JS engine.

It just won't get the performance benefits.

Well, that's what I gather from "strict subset".

Maybe that's not quite true :\

> Q. Is asm.js a new language?
A. No, it's just (a subset of) JavaScript. An asm.js program will behave identically whether it is run in an existing JavaScript engine or an ahead-of-time (AOT) compiling engine that recognizes and optimizes asm.js—except for speed, of course!

Yup.

DragonLord

It would dramatically drag down the whole score because it's expected to be compiled AOT.

Bob

@DragonLord It would drag down the score, yes, but I would consider that perfectly reasonable.

It doesn't matter if it's expected to be compiled AOT.

For a useful benchmark, you must assume that the user will want to run these programs.

Think of asm.js as an optional optimisation.

Just an optimisation, and like any other JS optimisation it must be considered when running any benchmark.

Browser A might have faster array handling than browser B. Browser C might have explicit asm.js optimisation while browser D does not. It's exactly the same situation.

Although you could argue that that code is written specifically for one browser...

Psycogeek

2:54 PM

@DragonLord The JS speed would probably be the most important one for my browsing, with these script things everyfreaking where now, and really slowing things down. When i have scripts off some locals load like 20 times faster, some of course are 95% dependant on script and nothing without it.

DragonLord

Microsoft Edge with asm.js enabled: 34861

MandreelLatency: 124630 (!)

Firefox gets 36656 on the same test.

No wonder why people say Microsoft Edge is fast.

HackToHell

Intel's mirror sucks

Psycogeek

the speed at which dancing internet bunnies are able to go on the browser, has little value :-)

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