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3:02 PM

Remember: if you're satisfied with Windows 10, run disk cleanup so you got a whole lot of extra room.

I can clean 25 GB of extra room, and that's on a near-fresh install

WARNING: this does mean you cannot return to the previous Windows version, so be absolutely sure that's what you want

@Bob Recommendations for you in the ________ department O__O

@DragonLord I'll be comparing it against Chrome stable and Chrome beta tonight once I get home

@NateKerkhofs after using it for half an hour I'm pretty sure it's what I want :D

then again, I'll be using it with Start10 because I'm a curmudgeon

@allquixotic Are you really going to pay 5 EUR just so you can downgrade your start menu?

Because, honestly, everything that's in the start10 menu can just as easily be accessed through the start menu.

@NateKerkhofs It's not downgrading; I use the "Pin to Start Menu" feature on Win7 and in Start8 on Win8/8.1 to launch apps. I shouldn't have to type to launch apps, and the Win10 start menu is so limited in how many you can pin that it's next to useless.

@allquixotic I don't know if you've realized, but Windows 10 also allows you to pin items to start

I have something like 25 apps pinned to my start menu on a Win7 or Start8/10 start menu. WinKey, click. No typing. No hunting around. No "Recently Used".

3:12 PM

you can do that as well in Windows 10 by default using live tiles

I always just type for search

@NateKerkhofs I did realize that, but like I said, the number of them that it lets you pin is very low, and they take up a lot of unnecessary extra space with tons of whitespace in between.

and if you don't have enough room, you can extend the bar

Did it in Vista. Do it in 7. Do it in 8 and Server 2012. Will do it in 10.

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3:13 PM

Look back at my Start10 menu. See how little space there is between each app in my pinned list? If Win10 can't do that out of the box, I'm replacing it. Simple.

@allquixotic you can also decrease the size of tiles

And it's not 5 EUR. I paid 5 USD, which is 4.57 EUR. Either way, I'm happy to support Stardock, a company I've been a customer of for a long, long time, and I barely have to bat an eyelash to decide to spend 5 USD, for a permanent software license, to a product I'll get a lot of use out of, from a company I like.

@NateKerkhofs How did you do that ?

@HackToHell click and drag

Aha, now I kinda like it more

3:16 PM

You can also decrease the tile size, AND make groups of tiles that are thematically similar

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@NateKerkhofs Nope. My start menu shouldn't take up the entire screen. Never ever. It's a small thing in the bottom left, especially on a 1080p or larger screen. I hate those "tiles", always whizzing around from one news story to the next, and requiring much more mouse movement to select one item from another. I shouldn't have to move the mouse across the entire screen to select something.

@allquixotic Check that second image I linked. see how small you can make the icons? I bet you can easily fit 25 of those next to each other

@allquixotic you can disable live tiles so they don't move

Please, at least give it a try before you toss it away like a used handkerchief

@NateKerkhofs Yeah, but that requires positioning both horizontally and vertically, which is more challenging from a mouse UX perspective than just vertical mouse movement. My start menu muscle memory is this: hit the windows key (or click the start button), then move the mouse straight up until I find the app I need, then left click.

@NateKerkhofs there is something i still dont even know about the metro start thing, where is it when you have 5 programs and 10 windows opened? (i use slide out toolbars still)

@allquixotic You can place 14 of those tiles vertically if you want on a small screen

3:20 PM

@NateKerkhofs I used Windows 8.1's start screen for several days before deciding I didn't like it. Trying to tell me something is better when I've tried it and don't prefer it is only going to make me dig my heels in deeper. Choices exist for a reason. I'm making a conscious decision to change something about the OS that I am not comfortable with, to adjust it to be something I am comfortable with. I've already paid the license for Start10 and am very happy to have done so.

I literally have no interest in changing. If I had a touchscreen, I'd probably reconsider.

Apparently I'm not the only one who prefers a classic start menu, since there exists a large enough user base for Start8 and Start10 that they can charge a piddly $5 per license and recoup their development costs, which must have been considerable to get the UX just right.

@allquixotic I don't like how slowly the search responds in 8/8.1, but otherwise I completely ignore the menus/screens (for both 7 and 8)

Can never find anything anyway

though, it was much harder to find something on 8's screen

And then there's the free (as in beer) Classic Shell, which I'm sure a lot more people will be using, since most people choose not to pay any money if they can avoid it.

I just prefer Start10 over Classic Shell for Win10, after trying both.

Bought Start8 for my brother though

@allquixotic Is Start10 new/different?

@Bob yeah, the search being slow to respond is very aggravating; I tried it for an app I didn't have pinned to the start menu (I tried this with the stock Win10 start menu, not Start10) and it took like 10 seconds to find it.

@allquixotic Eh... depends what you use. It's alright-ish for touch if you want to pin stuff. Still a pain browsing it.

3:23 PM

That's even more reason to justify pinning everything I'll ever need.

I still use search anyway.

I can type fast enough on touch for search to work well

@allquixotic dunno about 10, was talking about 8

though I suspect it was just warming up caches and it'll be fast the next few times

I've had some slow searches on Win7 too, but they're rare

normally slow = program will open slowly anyway (disk busy) so pinning won't help me

@Bob I just can't be arsed to have to type to launch an application. It's too much effort unless I launch the app less than once a month, especially if the app's name has a ton of matching keywords with other things, like "Control" or "Manage" or "Update" or "Launcher" or ...

@allquixotic My hands rest on the keyboard most of the time anyway

The only program I use consistently enough to be worth pinning is Firefox

@Bob Start10 is a new product. Apparently, people who purchased Start8 "recently" (not sure how recent is recent) can get a heavily discounted upgrade to Start10, but people who bought it immediately on release, like me, have to pay the full $5 USD.

Also, Start10 has more options (and better ones) than Start8 for things like the start menu icon, themes, etc.

It's not just a straight port of Start8 to Windows 10.

@Bob Mine don't -- not at home, anyway. I usually recline in my chair a little bit and keep a hand on the mouse, but I have to lean forward to type if I'm not actively gaming or writing a post.

Ok, time to get kvm running (...5th time I've said that. I can win awards for procrastination.)

@allquixotic Ah, I always keep the left hand on the keyboard. Right is sometimes on the mouse, sometimes on the keyboard.

3:27 PM

I don't have a ThinkPad Keyboard with Trackpoint on my desk anymore, so I can't do mouse and keyboard simultaneously like I used to. I have one at work, but at home I have a Das Keyboard mechanical with Cherry switches (Brown).

GemsFromStackExchange: Awesome PowerISO, erm, user error. Only built one partition.

posted on July 30, 2015

Awesome PowerISO, erm, user error. Only built one partition.

Like all Windows releases, Windows 10 is a flawed product that fundamentally improves over the previous. You have to slog through it, work around the issues, find solutions to problems, apply updates, and customize, customize, customize. Fortunately, it lets you (unlike some other popular operating systems with a huge installed base - coughAndroidcough)

3:45 PM

lol, one of the best things about windows was being able to customise it for how you like it, in some areas is is crasy what you can change, and some it is crasy why you cannot change, and some they keep tossing Out :-(

So i see this stark white title bars now? ok but can we finnaly have a full proper dark theme , that all things still show up?

Dark, is so arbitrary too. I do not want blind dude contrast, nor do i think everything should be grey on grey.

Just flip the Huge stark white backgrounds to black, change the text to golden or white if you prefer, then have the text SHOW UP proper in all the rest of the interface areas?

Would that be so hard, Yea it has pretty much been impossible because the orignal designs use the exact same text colors throughout.

Yet in some places that text is on different backgrounds, which also is cool to have sperations, and lines. but 1 text color 5 background colors, something is going to fail.

From the same people who can write 20 page blogs about the importance of color and contrast and readability for a web page design .

4:09 PM

and speaking of blind man contrast, that actually doesnt work either, stuff completly dissapears ,black on black or white on white. using thier own themes for the sight limited, they blinside em.

Hm. A few graphics driver issues in 10: superuser.com/questions/947639/…

And this is why I wait :P

@Bob I forgot to mention this (I was too focused on the positive stuff), but right after I booted to the desktop after upgrading, I clicked the start button to load the stock start menu. Shortly after, I got a :( BSOD due to MEMORY_MANAGEMENT. I then updated to the latest AMD Catalyst release, and the problem was not reproducible.

Oh, it also applied some Windows Updates that required a reboot, so there's that, too.

Could be a release day update to fix that BSOD.

This is on my desktop with a Radeon R9 280X and HD 7970.

I don't know if my laptop will be happy.

Clevo W230SS

Not much special about it (no fingerprint scanner, etc) so I'm hoping it'll just work

@Bob there are a lot of scary issues presented by users out there already, and many of them i am trying to check out do not have a lot of people with the exact same problems?

@Psycogeek That's even worse.

I prefer widespread bugs.

I had a hell of a time upgrading to Windows 8.1 because of a very specific Realtek driver bug.

4:20 PM

@Bob My ThinkPad has some exotic stuff: dual graphics with Optimus, and a fingerprint reader. Slightly more complex than a bulk standard laptop with an iGPU only.

One that just about noone knew about, noone cared about and noone ever fixed.

Widespread bugs at least get attention.

As soon as you're hit by an obscure bug, you're screwed.

@allquixotic Well, my laptop is dual (860M), but I'd honestly consider that standard fare for laptops. And Intel/AMD/Nvidia tend to release semi-regular updates.

Fingerprint readers can be dodgy.

The company that manufactured the one for my HP laptop basically disappeared.

The drivers have not been updated since several months before that model came out.

> Intel's support for their older graphics chipsets at Windows 10 launch has been less than optimal. Many people are complaining that their various Intel graphics cards are having issues.

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A: I have had 2 BSOD since upgrading to Win10

Intel's support for their older graphics chipsets at Windows 10 launch has been less than optimal. Many people are complaining that their various Intel graphics cards are having issues. I use two laptops for media centers, both with older Intel chipsets. Both machines are having issues with ...

Well, yeah, what do you expect? Intel's iGPUs have been significantly behind the times in terms of capability, architecture, feature set, and performance until about Ivy Bridge.

O_O

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@Bob Good god.

@allquixotic Weren't the Intel drivers relatively good (stable)?

4:23 PM

@Bob even many squeaky wheels of a fairly high percentages have previously been completly ignored and told "Its you" it is your hardware, and your doing something wrong, (all 10,000 of them) The majority rules :-( As long as that fat majority is sitting pretty, they will even Bash people struggling.

@Bob Yeah, but software can only do so much. The software can try to paste over limitations in the architecture by doing stuff on the CPU (see: partially CPU-driven pixel shaders on 965G(M)), but it can't eliminate problems due to the architecture. Hardware itself could be buggy.

@allquixotic Also, Ivy Bridge was only the second ever generation of on-die GPUs from Intel.

1.52 TB written after 2 weeks, 600 of which were from 2 data migrations. is that a lot for an SSD?

I think they're having difficulty making WDDM 1.0 devices run well on Windows 10.

And Sandy Bridge was reasonably good too. I feel like your view is a bit skewed by using Ivy for a while :P

4:25 PM

@Bob True, but before they had on-die, they had either on-package or on-motherboard. In either case, the GPUs were very limited, small scale, and didn't keep up with the latest feature sets very well.

Oh, wait, Westmere was on-die.

I keep forgetting about it.

Poor Westmere. No-one thinks of it.

@allquixotic I wouldn't consider the on-motherboard GPUs comparable to the on-die ones.

@Bob No, I don't think so. AFAIR Sandy's iGPU doesn't support OpenCL. If it were something that were even possible to do, then the driver would support it, since Intel has very good OpenCL 1.x support for Ivy and later in the same driver. They don't support OpenCL at all on Sandy or earlier. OpenCL support is a basic requirement for me to consider a GPU to be "modern", because it allows true GPGPU.

The on-die ones were intended to be a direct competitor to (low-end) dGPUs.

The on-board ones were more an absolute minimum to get something on the screen.

@NateKerkhofs could be a lot for a 20gig SSD :-)

@Psycogeek It's a 1 TB SSD

At what point should I get worried that it's getting too much? like a few PB?

4:28 PM

Ha: superuser.com/questions/723622/…

Graphics and networking. The nightmares of new OSes.

@NateKerkhofs ok, then on average the nand has 1.5 writes to it.

And wear leveling when working proper will balance out the averages , putting similar wear on everything. (eventually)

@NateKerkhofs what kind of nand chips are they using in it? Or the claimed number of writes (which is usually a kind of MTBF thing)

@Bob well I'm about to try Windows 10 in VMware 11.1.2 with vmwgfx 3d graphics acceleration, on a Win7 x64 host with HD 3000 graphics ;( :P

not a very common config, I'd wager.

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@allquixotic Actually, I'd guess a large majority of pre-release testing was on an identical config :P

@Bob ....you know what? good point - hahahahahaha

now that I think of it :D

a lot of the "applications" testing was probably done that way

Office, VS, etc

@Bob with your fingerprint reader, can that completly fail and be obsolete , and a person can still use the rest of the machine?

4:39 PM

only thing is, a lot of the Microsofties probably use Surface Pros, so it's probably being tested on HD4000 or later. ;p

@Psycogeek Sure.

It was more for convenience than any real added security.

Surface Pro 1 was HD4000

Password login was still available.

@allquixotic Does host really affect it that much?

That sounds like potential host instability and maybe even a security bug.

@Bob With VMware's graphics driver, it tries to intelligently match up the host's detected hardware capabilities with the guest's detected requested capabilities, and very carefully drive the host's GPU using "safe" features that are known to work with your hardware/driver/OS, but without having to revert to software fallbacks.

Thing is, because the vmwgfx infrastructure requires several context switches between the host kernel, host userspace, guest kernel and guest userspace, they really can't afford to do anything in software. The performance benefit is only there if they can get hardware accel. It's much, much faster to tell the guest "sorry, I don't have that" and let it rasterize it on the CPU in userspace.

Especially with things like Chrome having ANGLE.

I'm right on the cusp of being able to afford, and actually buying, a GTX 980 Ti. Maybe next paycheck or two. Not sure what I'm gonna do with my R9 280X. It's almost a brand new card. Well, not BRAND new, but it's been used for so few hours that it's probably got 95% of its "newness" left in it.

Actually, holy crap, time flies. I didn't realize I've had it since 6/23/2014.

It's over a year old. So it's definitely been "burned in" a bit. But never OCed

4:54 PM

@allquixotic I'll buy it off you? :P

(Actually, probably not... not really an AMD user and its power draw won't play nice with my PSU or UPS.)

(And shipping would kill it anyway.)

@Bob how much does your current card draw?

@allquixotic TDP 150W

R9 280X is 250W.

I think (can't remember) my PSU was rated 500W, but it's also a cheap PSU and 4 years old now so I'd guess 300-400 max.

CPU TDP ~100W, plus 4 HDDs... pushing it close.

@Bob Oh. Yeah, adding another 100W is not going to work for you.

Sorry :/

I should probably upgrade the PSU at some point.

My UPS can probably cope, but not with active PFC

I'm at the point where any upgrade will basically start a cascade.

Honestly, if you have PCIe 2.1 x16, you can probably get most of the performance of a GTX 980 if you simply drop one in, and its TDP is low enough not to kill you.

4:59 PM

Except a new Nvidia GPU with the lower TDP.

or if you want to be conservative, the 970 is still an enormous upgrade

and VERY powerful

@allquixotic Yea, but too pricey at the moment.

I've got so many things I want to upgrade.

Me too

I want an SSD (before installing Win10 if possible).

I want Skylake.

My only difference from your scenario is I'm about one generation ahead on the GPU and CPU, but I still want to upgrade just about the same stuff

5:00 PM

I want a good mobo (P67 is stupid)

I could probably do with a better case, with more 3.5" bays.

The PSU needs an upgrade, which pulls the UPS along.

Oh, Skylake will pull the mobo and RAM along too.

I'm planning on keeping my case, unless I'm forced to upgrade for some reason (I doubt it)

Basically, the entire damn machine.

my PSU is sitting at 1200W, so I have absolutely no urge to change that out - it's able to power two 250W TDP cards at fairly high utilization each with no problems

@allquixotic I'll likely hold on to this machine for another year at this rate.

Get as much out of my 24 GB of RAM as I can :P

if I were to do a full upgrade, it would involve a high capacity SSD, DDR4, Skylake, a mobo, a Skylake CPU, and a current gen GPU.

5:02 PM

Might upgrade the GPU when prices drop a bit.

I think I'll be happy with 9xx (even 960 or 970) when it's a generation behind.

The CPU + mobo + RAM is basically one big package.

I don't feel any pressing need to upgrade my monitor, but I might do, to 1080p at a higher refresh rate, with G-Sync or FreeSync depending on what I impulse buy on the GPU side.

Mostly happy with my monitor. Might consider IPS, but it's otherwise good enough.

Keyboard and mouse are great :P

Honestly I'm tempted to get the R9 Fury X out of desire to be contrarian, even though I know the 980 Ti is technically the better card for the price.

Peripherals are fine. Storage is fine (barring possible 500 GB SSD upgrade)

Everything else is on the list

There are SOME benchmarks where the Fury X is strictly better though

@Bob My monitor was a christmas gift. It's a HDTV that can display U.S. digital television from the antenna, and act as an effective IPS monitor for a computer (HDMI). I can't complain.

5:04 PM

@allquixotic Problem with such a large PSU is it's not as efficient for lower power draw. But you were crossfiring AMD cards, so I guess you aren't in that category :P

1080p60. It's not the best, but it also allows me to run games at higher detail than I'd be able to at 2K or 4K.

@allquixotic I could probably use the R9. My UPS-monitored idle draw is something like 125-150W and stays under 300 while gaming.

But it's a risk.

@allquixotic That would actually be considered a poor computer monitor if you play the games I do (twitch FPS).

@Bob Also keep in mind that the R9 280X rarely hits its TDP ceiling. Similar to the R9 290X (which is a GCN minor version ahead, but same idea), it will tend to drop down the clocks a bit before it gets that high, due to heat dissipation.

TVs are notorious for the excessively high input lag.

Just don't run Furmark with the 280X. :P

Actually. s/ with the 280X. :P/./

5:07 PM

@allquixotic just got out of bed to check :P

It's actually 650W.

My memory is shit.

So I'd estimate 450-500W to be a safe max considering the age and probable quality.

@Bob As hungry as it is under load (it can easily exceed 150W under "normal" gaming load), it's very efficient at idle. "ZeroCore" tech.

...this might actually work

@allquixotic I don't care much about idle, more about the peak draw - don't want to exceed PSU (650 [450]) or UPS (700)

Only problem is shipping. I could definitely give you an enormous discount on the retail price, but a large percentage of that savings will be offset by US-AUS shipping.

Oh wow, even used R9 280Xs are going for almost as much as a GTX 960

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wtf

5:10 PM

@Bob The US retail price for a new R9 280X is sitting around $210 - $230 USD last I checked. If I sell this to a friend (there is another friend who is a potential buyer and lives in the US), I'm probably going to start off by making an offer to sell it at $90, not including shipping.

If I sell it on eBay I'm going to sell it as high as I possibly can.

@allquixotic Ah, was looking at Amazon 'used'. Probably not a good idea :P

@allquixotic Looks like it's still at least 135 USD, for a 6-month-old: ebay.com.au/itm/…

There's a used R9 280X on eBay from Canada that's currently bid at $105 USD, but it has 8 hours left on the auction.

@Bob Right, that's if you're trying to milk every last penny.

I'm intentionally lowballing here for friends.

IF I sell it to a friend, it's going to be below market rate.

Good lord. $95 to flash (?!) a R9 280X to be compatible with a Mac? ebay.com.au/itm/…

That's... completely and utterly ridiculous.

The "Buy It Now" price of a R9 280X used on eBay right now is sitting in the vicinity of $150.

That's the price that the guy really wants to sell it for.

I think I could sell mine for $150 if I tried to sell it on eBay or Amazon used. Definitely at least $130.

@allquixotic Yea, looks to be about 250 AUD (180 USD) for BIN here.

5:15 PM

What's BiN?

Buy It Now

ahhh

Hmm.

So yeah, anyway, I have multiple potential buyers for this card once I get my Fury X or 980 Ti, and I'll probably "have a heart" and sell it cheap to a friend rather than trying to get top dollar online to a stranger.

Getting something in return for it will be nice.

I'm guessing it'd be $20-$30 to post, and I wouldn't want you to lose money on this (i.e. don't sell it below market, or at least not too far below!), but even then it works out cheaper than me buying locally :P

But then we're back to the old question: do I really want this?

5:17 PM

The HD 7970 is much older, potentially dodgy (TDRs when it's run as the primary GPU, and has to be underclocked for stability), and not exactly saleworthy.

The 280X is very stable though

At stock clocks, even

amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/…

@allquixotic Considering the GTX 960 is supposed to be close the the R9 280X in perf, I might end up getting one of those instead. Dunno.

Just posted my first Amazon product review.

I'm certainly more familiar with Nvidia.

@allquixotic if you should trade up your AMD GPU for a Nvidia , after you get all settled with it, dont keep it a secret, i would be very interested in how you percieve the change and software (especially) between the 2 at this day and age.

5:19 PM

@Bob Yeah, brand familiarity / loyalty definitely plays a factor. There's also the degree of competitiveness between the vendors. In general, the AMD GCN 1.0 generation trumped Nvidia, but only briefly; Nvidia has been pretty much ahead since then, and has been way, WAY ahead in power efficiency since the release of Maxwell (though, they are only very slightly ahead in performance).

@allquixotic Also much higher priced.

I really want to try Shadowplay on the desktop though.

@Bob In terms of price per performance ignoring energy usage, the two are razor-thin close at the top end, and it kinda depends on workload. But I'd say, on the lower end of the cards that you can still play high-end games with, the Maxwell cards are still better in terms of perf vs. price than what AMD has to offer.

Dunno if the R9 280X does the AMD one (GVR?)

Also helps that Intel and Nvidia have nice browsable spec sheets.

Every time I try to find specs for some AMD part I waste half an hour and decide to avoid them because it's simply too hard.

@Bob ShadowPlay definitely works but isn't 100% reliable as the resulting videos can sometimes lock up for several seconds. The same holds when I use the same underlying hardware acceleration (NVENC) via OBS, so this is more a hardware/driver issue with the on-chip video encoder.

@Bob raptr.com/TinyDino/news/53d67283036a484c36/… that ?

5:22 PM

@allquixotic Yea.

Meh. For game video recording, I use Bandicam. It's awesome.

@allquixotic Keep in mind that my current card (GTX 560) doesn't do fixed function encoding.

@allquixotic and what about physx , much of that will then be processed in the gpu , or some of it?

And I can't access QuickSync because it's a P67 motherboard.

Bandicam taps into the VCE 1.0 on my HD7970 and spits out H264. I encode to 720p25 because I don't want the videos to be huge, and I'd rather have high quality so the text, etc. is readable.

Also, the motion comp, etc. on 720p25 at 100% quality setting is nice.

It doesn't look like 720p60, sure, but it's watchable.

5:24 PM

I don't want to record whole videos, so the looping capture ShadowPlay claims would be nice. FRAPS could work too, but I don't think that one does hardware accel? Never used Bandicam.

@Bob You could try the open-source OBS.

It can use NVENC, but I don't believe it supports AMD VCE yet.

@Bob Bandicam has its own built-in encoding architecture that doesn't even depend on DirectShow or any of the Windows cruft, AFAICT, that does VCE 1.0, Nvidia's hardware encoding, and QSV. It doesn't do GPGPU based, so no CUDA or OpenCL, but it supports all the modern fixed function encoding.

On the other hand, I could probably live with CUDA encoding since the main game I'd record is more CPU-heavy than anything else.

However, Bandicam can also tap into DirectShow if you so desire, for instance if you want to encode on the CPU using libx265, or VP9, or something.

@allquixotic I was more referring to the looping capture. Continuous capture with last X minutes saved on button press.

5:26 PM

@Bob CUDA encoding is hard to come by, from what I've seen. GPGPU encoding does not seem to be extremely doable right now :/

@DragonLord Yea, people have had mixed results with that on CS:GO.

Works beautifully for some people; cause VAC auth errors for others (kicks you out of current game).

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@Bob ShadowPlay definitely works but isn't 100% reliable as the resulting videos can sometimes lock up for several seconds. The same holds when I use the same underlying hardware acceleration (NVENC) via OBS, so this is more a hardware/driver issue with the on-chip video encoder.

Either it's buggy or too inefficient or something... if you are doing real time video encode, it's either CPU-only, or fixed function VCE/QSV/NVENC.

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Yea, gonna have to look at a new GPU.

So, basically... $250 SSD or $250 GPU :P

The SSD is likely a blocker for me installing Win10.

The GPU is more nice-to-have.

Or just put the whole thing on hold for the Skylake CPU + good mobo = QSV

We need to form a Techie Escape Coalition (TEC) and transplant all technologists and computing enthusiasts from Brazil and Australia to somewhere like, oh I don't know, a big empty field (20 square kilometers of nothing) in the middle of Texas.

5:29 PM

@allquixotic You were making your GPU change in 1-2 months?

Build y'all a town, teach the Brazilians to speak English, and build a huge Amazon warehouse right next door.

@allquixotic Don't forget to run ~~fibre~~ fiber! :P

@Bob More like 1 to 4 weeks. 2 months would be a very high estimate, and would only occur if I have an unexpected out of pocket expense.

@allquixotic Ah. If you haven't found another buyer, I'll take another look at that R9 :P

Mmk! :)

5:30 PM

Wouldn't be my first choice (purely because AMD, I'm find with second-hand etc.) but it's still a decent option.

To AMD's credit, their drivers are rapidly reaching a quality/stability/feature threshold where they're basically indistinguishable from Nvidia's in terms of quality.

This latest Catalyst release is awesome.

The OS switch would be a good time to hop GPU brands. But I'm more familiar with the Nvidia tools at this point, and my laptop is Nvidia now (old was AMD). It'd be annoying to re-introduce AMD to my devices now :P

Ah well, see what happens in a month.

If a particularly good discount on a GTX 960 or 970 pops up, I might just buy it.

@Psycogeek "PhysX" is an Nvidia technology. I'm not sure if they support PhysX acceleration on non-Nvidia GPUs with something like OpenCL, but if not, it'd just run on the CPU. If you're talking about physics in general, many games already support accelerating physics through either fully programmable shaders (Direct3D), or OpenCL.

I'd consider ~$200-$220 to be impulse-buy range for a 960

GTX 960 vs R9 280X, the R9 would win in raw performance but also draw more power and dump a whole lot more heat.

They're also reasonably close (apparently ~10% in most game benchmarks?) that I probably wouldn't notice the difference much.

@allquixotic some games use physx, at first i was like Ohh maybe i gotta have that, then the game installed a "soft" version of it, wheras nvidea at least is partly capable of doing some of that work in gpu.

5:35 PM

GTX 970 is a good $440 O_O

So they toss this Non-nvidea physX on my disk, and i say Cool , i have 2 cores leftover that wont be doing anything :-)

Hm. 410 AUD from Amazon

Because a Quad CPU is not fully abused in most games, unlike say a I5 2 core thing.

> Helps you sleep and rest better by reducing the blue light balance of your screen to let your body acclimatize to the night time.

O_O

!!no

That shouldn't be part of the graphics drivers!

So i am not sure on how that balances out , on nvidea would they be using some of the GPU to do the physx , because that is its design. But i have no GPU to spare. On the AMD machine, the physx has to be done in CPU, well i Have that to spare ??

(because i have quad)

5:39 PM

Oh wow ebay.com.au/itm/graphics-card-/261979435697?hash=item3cff30f2b1

That's dual GTX 780

And it's actually close enough to pick up

$500 so far, probably rise to $700-$800 min

Does anyone know what "Nothing" means on the "Choose What to Keep" dialog for windows 10 upgrade? I have three physical drives and want to complete erase C: but don't want to loose the data stored on D: and E:

@Ubiquitous There is only one way, have it all backed up, then go at it :-)

@Ubiquitous Presumably means a clean install.

@Psycogeek :D

@allquixotic What do you think about a GTX 770?

I could probably get a used one for under 180 USD

I would normally disconnect the other two drives but one of them contains the MBR since Windows 7 install got screwed up...

@Bob Why would you go for that? It's Kepler, right?

5:45 PM

@allquixotic Yea, it's Kepler.

@Bob Unless Kepler has dropped in price a lot, I don't think it's really worth it. Either something from AMD or Nvidia Maxwell will be able to beat it in almost every category. More perf/efficiency for the same price.

@allquixotic Keep in mind I'm still on Fermi.

@allquixotic But second-hand is far more available.

@Ubiquitous It's a clean install. Your old Windows installation, including apps, settings, and personal files, will be placed in a Windows.old folder.

Here are the real power specs for some of the 960s tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-8.html and the orignal spec geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/… And as we can see thier spec is based on what we could call Light usage :-) Yea it is all lies, juat add 50watts so when concidering it FOR the power usage, i would not be using those numbers, instead to compare to a real amd tesing.

@Bob Are there any places you can go to buy it used domestically in Australia? Would the shipping be good?

5:47 PM

@allquixotic Yea, I'm looking at AU ebay right now

How much does shipping tend to be between populated areas in AUS compared to international shipping cost?

Could try gumtree I guess

@allquixotic ~$10-$15

@allquixotic 770 perf comparable to 960

So 180 USD isn't worth it

yeahhhh

If I win the current bid (6 hrs left) I'd be looking at more like 140 USD

Which is decent.

but you won't - someone will snipe it and it'll go higher

((PROBABLY...))

5:49 PM

@allquixotic Never know. I've picked up a few things pretty cheap before.

$1 laptop power adapter.

@Ubiquitous that still sounds like a good idea, if your not going to lock all that stuff up on an another backup. your intent is to have 1 OS on One disk , so any reserves or mbrs on the others is not part of the scenario? Are you worried that the win7 wont upGrade?

If it's selling for that low, someone who isn't even going to use the card will buy it and resell it higher :P

$75 (incl express post) GTX 560 Ti three years ago

$35 DSi three years ago

sometimes you're lucky enough :P

I'm just debating whether it's worth 140 USD

I don't care if someone outbids me... that's their problem :P

ok, gumtree has absolute junk

huh, except this...

780 for 350 AUD

that's actually alright

except it's more than I'd pay for any card at this time :P

I can't bring myself to go back to the green team. :/ It must be my Star Wars brain.
"Allquixotic, AMD are evil!"
"From my point of view, Nvidia are evil!"
"Then you are lost!"

@psychogeek From what i have read, in order to upgrade I have to boot into Windows 7 in order to have the Win10 install register a valid upgrade product key. But to boot into windows 7 I have to connect the drive that has the MBR on it (and all of my photos).

5:53 PM

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@Ubiquitous yea the first part is right, so far you have to upgrade a working 7-8.1 but the MBR being a jump point to a win7 other disk, does confuse me. @BOB help me he freaking confused me.

hmmm... 180 AUD for dual 760

pretty damn good, except they're across thecountry

that's a 3+day drive, or a very long flight :P

O.o

no shipping?

@allquixotic gumtree is like craigslist

I could ask them about shipping, but that requires a fair bit of trust

ah

5:57 PM

no ebay/paypal to back you up

pity

2x 760 would've been nice

especially at that price

I can't recommend a dual card solution with any vendor, though... a lot of game publishers seem to be completely oblivious to SLI and CrossFireX, and when one of them doesn't work, the other tends not to work. We hear the same story over and over and over again from devs: "Ohhhh, we didn't think of / didn't have time for that, check back for a patch in 6 months maybe."

might even approach a single 980 in optimal conditions

the other popular cop-out is "not a lot of people use SLI/CFX, so we didn't think it was worth the time investment to optimize our engine for it."

@allquixotic but at that price I could've used one and sold the other :P

going rate on ebay seems to be about 180 for a single card

lol

5:59 PM

so it's basically a free card minus ebay fees

too bad they're in WA :(

I'm going with "Nothing". Wish me luck : )

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