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6:00 PM
if it seems too good to be true, they're probably a drug cartel looking to kidnap you and force you to do their IT dirty work.
 
Bob
@Ubiquitous Backup > luck
@allquixotic lol
 
"Hi, I'm here for the gumtree listing for the GTX seven-six-- OOF!" *flop on ground* *gets dragged*
 
Bob
 
@Ubiquitous ahh heck it'll work and you will only want that backup when it is to late anyway.
 
41 hour drive? that's not so bad, just build a land bridge to the US minecraft-style and you can visit me by car for that much time :D
 
Bob
6:03 PM
@allquixotic I don't think I can even make it to Melbourne... Perth? no way
also, fuel costs would be more than I'd save :P
 
true - it costs more to move you than a GPU
as a fox, you're not quite as expensive to transport as a human, but you still need to drag along a vehicle with you
 
Bob
xD
 
why doesn't google maps do "at fox running speed"?
 
Bob
So even after all that, looks like my best options are a 960 or your R9
or just put it on hold for another three years and buy a second-hand 980 then :P
 
O.o
three years? damn
 
Bob
6:06 PM
@allquixotic I dunno. Seems to be 2-3 years before the high-end cards really get cheaper, even second-hand.
Probably better off with a 1260 or whatever they call it
 
probably better off with an Intel HD8000 ;-)
 
Bob
heh
three years later, AMD and Nvidia file for bankruptcy and we welcome our new Intel overlords
 
also, if we're thinking about that far ahead, how about Crosspoint memory on GPUs?
 
Bob
no idea what that is
 
@Bob 1000x faster, 1000x more durable compared to state of the art NAND - which puts it on the order of maybe 10x (?) faster than current RAM, too
 
Bob
6:12 PM
o.O
will it be 1000x more expensive too? :P
 
in 3 years it'll probably be about as cutting-edge as a 960 GB SLC SSD is right now - only about a factor of 2 outside the price range of enthusiasts like us
but that's for mass storage
for RAM or graphics VRAM purposes, you need far less of it
you'd be perfectly fine (great, in fact) with 64 GB of VRAM on top of crosspoint
 
Bob
@allquixotic I wonder how stable it'll be.
(bit error rate)
> You could put the cost somewhere between NAND and DRAM.
So, too expensive for secondary storage at the moment.
Except maybe as a cache.
maybe a memory replacement, but 1000x the endurance of NAND isn't really good enough when we expect our DRAM to last basically forever
 
Is there any company out there that makes GPUs, apart from the ANI trio?
ANI = AMD/Nvidia/Intel
 
Bob
@NateKerkhofs Depends if you're only considering those used in PCs
I think PowerVR still makes some.
Apart from that? There's a lot over in ARM-land
Qualcomm makes Adreno
ARM Holdings designs Mali and licenses it out
 
@Bob Imagination Technologies makes PowerVR branded chips, yes. That's the iPhone one IIRC
@Bob Adreno is intentionally an anagram with "Radeon". Adreno is based on IP licensed from AMD.
 
6:24 PM
And what about the old guard? I know that 3dfx was taken over by Nvidia, but weren't there other crreators of hardware accellerators for home computer graphics?
 
Bob
@allquixotic I was referring to the GPUs on the Bay Trail chips
But, yes, PowerVR is also in the ARM space.
 
@NateKerkhofs Yes.
However: the performance is so atrocious that you can barely call it "DirectX 10.1", and it's really designed for the bargain bin market.
It's designed for people who don't have two nickels to rub together.
 
So they're around, but they've slided into obsolecense?
 
Bob
> Mainstream users can now experience true Hi-Def home multimedia on their desktop PC. The Chrome® 540 GTX makes light work of cinematic quality HD playback at 1080p with S3 Graphics’ exclusive Chromotion™ Video Engine which enables hardware acceleration for all leading video standards including H.264, MPEG-4, VC-1, WMV-HD and AVS.
 
@NateKerkhofs And irrelevance.
 
Bob
6:27 PM
...is this 2007?
 
@Bob No. It was released in 2009, IIRC. :P
That's their top of the line, too.
 
I wonder what the most recent game is that you can run on a Voodoo 2
 
Bob
> 256MB of the latest GDDR3 memory
!!meme okay
cavil pls
 
btw, the Chrome 540 GTX was fabbed on a 65nm process.
 
Bob
this reads like it was machine-translated
 
6:30 PM
@NateKerkhofs honestly, if you're looking for "full-fat", laptop-scale and up GPUs, the only ones you pretty much have are Nvidia, Intel and AMD, with a minor mention of PowerVR possibly being sufficient for a desktop OS, but not for any serious gaming.
in the mobile space there are probably at least 7 or 8 independent GPU manufacturers that can hold their own
 
Bob
@allquixotic PowerVR is used in all Bay Trail tablets, and is likely sufficient for generic desktop stuff
 
though the big three there are Nvidia (Tegra), Imagination Tech (PowerVR), and Qualcomm (Adreno).
@Bob Ah. I didn't realize they were still doing that. Thought they'd strip down their own GMA-based IP and shove it on the CPU die of Bay Trail.
 
Bob
@allquixotic And ARM (Mali)
 
I guess the history of the original Atom integrating with PowerVR continues.
 
Bob
@allquixotic They did with Cherryview
 
Bob
Cherryview now uses the Broadwell iGPU
 
@Bob True, that has a pretty good installed base, too.
 
Bob
@allquixotic Almost forgot, Intel also exists in the mobile space :P
Pretty small, but they're there
 
I was hoping they would sign a deal with Netflix, not Amazon
 
Bob
Some x86 phones floating around
 
6:33 PM
@Bob "Exists", but if they're going to sell a SoC, it will be x86(_64), and nobody wants to touch that. Also, they struggle to get their hungry chips to run at the power levels that Qualcomm et al. have achieved.
 
Just noticed that the tag near the audio jack on my Xiaomi Piston earbuds is used to verify authenticity.
Mine came up as genuine :-)
 
Bob
@allquixotic The Lenovo phones are actually doing decently well. At this point it's more the OS incompatibilities that need to be ironed out.
 
I feel like whenever Intel tries to make a good SoC for phones/tablets, they significantly overshoot the average TDP targets desired by hardware OEMs like Samsung, so even if their performance is amazing, their battery life isn't.
@Bob Have any examples?
 
Bob
@allquixotic Considering ARM is pushing in the other direction (high performance, more power), that's not too hard :P
@allquixotic Lenovo K900
 
@Bob Depends on the manufacturer and the target device. MediaTek's focus is on cheap and low-power, performance be damned. Nvidia Tegra is all about performance at any cost (including $$$ and battery life). Qualcomm and Samsung and Apple try to reach a happy medium.
 
Bob
6:37 PM
Lenovo P90
@allquixotic In all seriousness, Intel's Atom chips are already pretty damn competitive efficiency-wise.
 
Nexus 9 has Tegra K1 (64-bit with NVIDIA Denver CPU core) and it runs hot as hell
Thermal throttling after 30 seconds or so of continuous full load is pretty much unavoidable.
 
Bob
The assumption that ARM > x86 in efficiency hasn't really been true for the last 2+ years.
 
The glass near the top right can get hot enough to cause low-temperature burns in some people.
 
@Bob Damn. 4000 mAh battery.
 
Bob
@allquixotic While I can't find any scientific tests, reviews of the K900 indicate the battery life was decent/good.
That was a 5.5" phone with a 2500mAh battery
The biggest things holding x86 on phones back are momentum and software support
simply, Android x86 is still lagging behind and the few manufacturers releasing phones with x86 procs have atrocious UIs
Those are not issues inherent to the architecture or the hardware.
 
6:45 PM
@Bob Android 5.0 should have much better x86/x64 support
The new Android Runtime is suppoed to help a lot here.
 
Bob
ARM still wins with really low power stuff, but that's below what Intel even manufactures
When you compare like-for-like (e.g. Snapdragon 8xxs with Atoms of similar performance), efficiency is similar.
@DragonLord "should have" rarely works out in cases like this
ARM's biggest advantage on a flagship phone is probably big.LITTLE
x86 can't quite match that
Though AMD's Skybridge (hybrid x86/ARM) might do something...
Wait, no, that's cancelled o.O
Damn. I wanted to get the server set up, but only managed to get into a research/discussion spree about GPUs -_-
whaahaa? local shop is selling R9 280X for $385
 
@allquixotic Have you tried running that xhr request manually using a POST client?
 
@NateKerkhofs no, I really haven't looked into what's broken
 
Anonymous
7:02 PM
I didn't quite like W10
 
@Bob Motorola's new flagship phone, while about a half-generation behind Samsung (Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 and 3 GB LPDDR3), has a microSD card slot.
 
Anonymous
I was fine with W8.1
 
Bob
@allquixotic Hmm... Australia?
 
@Bob dunno, but I think they launch these worldwide
now if that includes Australia or not. dunno.
Moto is a little bit better with things like waterproofing, great "feel", better battery life than Samsung, but tend to use 6 month old tech
but the OS is Android 5.1.1
 
Bob
Oh, how could I forget?!
@allquixotic Asus ZenPhone (2).
Uses an Atom SoC.
 
7:09 PM
ahh
 
Bob
Far more popular and somewhat more polished than the Lenovo garbage.
Lagging behind a bit in battery life.
They're saying it's mostly due to the display, though.
And that's completely possible, even probable: my screen easily makes up 50-75% of my power usage.
 
... Thanks, Obama
 
Bob
Once they move on to testing the battery life while doing CPU work, it's comparable to and actually better than a lot of ARM phones including flagships
@allquixotic ^
 
hmm. once i order my 980 Ti it's going to be interesting uninstalling the AMD Catalyst operating system from Windows and putting in the Nvidia operating system
 
Bob
@allquixotic How is Motorola with OS updates?
 
Anonymous
7:19 PM
@CanadianLuke had the same bullshit error as you
 
Bob
don't really like the QHD though
hm. which would you pick, @allquixotic? androidauthority.com/…
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
cool thing this
 
@Bob none of the manufacturers are especially good with updates in the US; I think the FCC has to approve them, and the carriers take 1-2 months to approve a build. Even if the manufacturer could develop, integrate and test any patch of any complexity in 10 microseconds and send it off downstream for verification bug-free, the fastest patches would land in 1 month after final code.
 
Bob
@allquixotic What about support duration?
 
7:20 PM
in reality, both Motorola and Samsung are pretty slow with getting the updates out, because they don't do everything in 10 microseconds.
 
Bob
One month? Year? Three years?
 
@Bob I don't keep a phone long enough to know, but my mom's aging Moto Droid Maxx is still getting updates
probably about 2 years
that's standard
 
Bob
Hm.
At this point I'm quite used to Samsung, unfortunately...
Barring my current phone breaking, I think I might wait for the next Samsung flagship and see what happens
 
Samsung issued a bunch of rapid-fire updates for the galaxy S5 in the US, but it wasn't consistent - you don't actually receive a build every few weeks - I think they just fired off a bunch of separate builds in a sequence to be tested and deployed, so for a few months there, we were getting 1-2 updates per month (most of them not bumping the Android ver, though)
they've never done that for the Note, though - less popular = lower priority
 
Bob
Apparently Android core is bringing back better Micro SD support, so Samsung might reintroduce it
might
@allquixotic Do you know how hard it is to root a Moto phone? Or how much their warranty cares about that?
 
7:25 PM
@Bob in the US, to unlock the bootloader you have to blow a qfuse on the chipset which is electrically detectable as rooted, permanently - for simple rooting, if there's an exploit, it's easy, but if not (and lately it's been more "not" because of Android's new focus on security) you can get stuck without root, as many have
warranty-wise, they won't service a phone with a blown qfuse
 
Bob
sigh
Yea, I've effectively been running my S4 without warranty since about a day after purchase :P
I need root access (pun not really intended).
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I rely on Titanium Backup a lot.
 
@Bob I thought I did, until I stopped caring
I haven't rooted since 2013
 
Bob
@allquixotic TB has saved my arse a lot with buggy updates.
(It also lets me move some no-longer-available apps from phone to phone.)
 
for me when there's a buggy update I shrug and wait for the update-update
 
Bob
@allquixotic Spotify took about two weeks to fix the bug where playlists would stop every other song.
 
7:27 PM
I'm an Android end-user sheeple now :/ except for USB tethering on unlimited data... if they take THAT away from legitimate paying customers, I will protest in the streets
 
Bob
That's basically $5 of the subscription gone because it's unusable.
 
never had that bug
 
Bob
Was fairly widespread a few months back.
 
but not universal apparently
 
Bob
Mhm. Some specific songs triggered it.
Where 'specific songs' apparently includes half my library.
 
7:28 PM
o_O
do you only listen to troll songs? Eye of the Tiger, What Does the Fox Say?, Rickroll, Friday?
 
Bob
(ok, probably more like 10%, but all it takes is the random selection landing on one of them... I didn't bother testing that much)
 
I'm beginning to dislike Windows 10.
 
@Bob Same goes for my Nexus 9. Rooted (flashed CyanogenMod) on day one.
 
...big green eyes; pointy nose...
 
Bob
@allquixotic Anyway, yea, I'd be looking for a rootable phone.
 
7:30 PM
wut?
 
Bob
But I really don't like the Nexus line (battery, microsd, buttons, etc.)
Otherwise that'd be perfect :\
OnePlus might be the way to go
(still battery & microsd, but they have a button!)
 
@djsmiley2k Seriously? This is a locale issue?
Wow, that's stupid.
 
Bob
So much for testing.
 
Might be worth pinning.
 
Bob
I really don't want to pin a 9gag link -_-
would also need proper link-text at the very least, otherwise it's completely non-obvious in the starwall
 
7:32 PM
@Bob No VZW. :-)
@Bob Oh, they tested it alright. In India. ;-)
 
Bob
Actually, better would be something like:

If you get the ["something happened"](linktooriginal) error with Win10 upgrade, do <steps>
Better than the image macro...
@allquixotic meh
They're missing some AU LTE bands too, though
 
PSA: If you get "Something happened" while upgrading to Windows 10, make sure your locale (Control Panel > Region > Administrative > Change system locale) is set to English (United States). Source
 
Friend of mine works at HP, apparently they just sent this video out: public.hpnn.hp.com/Articles/2015/July/…
 
Bob
@DragonLord eh, good 'nuff :P
Our star pinwall is going to be full soon.
 
@DragonLord has no one got a "Something happened" who was set to ENUS?
@Bob :D
 
7:35 PM
We had five messages pinned just a short while ago.
 
we could probably un-pin JMG's bday; it's been 5 days. As much as I love celebrating the pup's 33rd or so 15th birthday...
 
Two of them had expired.
 
Bob
@allquixotic Give him a full week :P
(unless it actually fills up..?)
 
I don't know if it's real
:O
 
Bob
@allquixotic Looks like the Moto X Style covers most LTE bands here
That might well be my next phone, depending on how the root situation plays out :P
 
7:42 PM
rofl
 
Bob
8:00 PM
O_O
@allquixotic happen to know if virt-install is actually documented anywhere?
well, anywhere online
ahh never mind, found it
google to the rescue... stupid libvirt site is useless
 
 
1 hour later…
9:08 PM
I have Windows 10 Pro, should I use Current Branch for Business ("defer upgrades")?
 
up to you :$
I think we might get a few updates push really quick, heard rumors the original RTM date was in Oct, so all updates that comes through Nov are what Windows 10 was going to have basically.
I am proud of Microsoft instead of keeping everything back, they released what was stable and complete now, instead of just waiting
Anyone see an incorrect statement in ""Windows 8 is not eligible to be upgrade to Windows 10 for free" because I am having to explain myself and I am confused.
 
So, who wants to chime in (and see what I did) for pranks on another IT guy?
 
9:24 PM
@CanadianLuke Watercress in the keyboard.
 
Find a cardboard box. remove all components from PC, place in cardboard box, or simply find some really old hard and just move his actually equipment and just leave the cardboard box pc on his desk hooked up configured to be turned on when he returns
 
He actually moved his computer to a hidden area that I don't know where, so I couldn't do that. I had ideas for messing with his computer, but they didn't fan out. I didn't realize that when I wrote the question
 
What OS do you use?
 
10 on the tablet (was "beta testing" it for the company), 7 on my laptop
 
Get into the registry hive on this roaming profile and change his keyboard layout.
 
9:32 PM
No touching stuff on the server. Besides, he's not on my server, he has his own server
 
Okay, I've got one! Replace his keyboard with one exactly the same, but hack in a wireless power switch and hook it up to the Enter key.
 
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Q: Windows 10 Upgrade lost files in C:\PHPPOS

Chris MuenchWhen upgrading to windows 10 from windows 8.1 the folder C:\PHPPOS was removed and replaced with the version it had on March. I am trying to downgrade back to windows 8.1 but what would cause this to be restored to such an old date? I lost all my data :( This folder held a mysql database. This h...

I am stumped...
 
any mods here ?
 
9:52 PM
21 hours ago, by DragonLord
Your thoughts: Do the Windows 10 Task View and desktop compositing effects feel a bit like Compiz on Linux?
The Windows 10 desktop effects are not running at 60 fps, such as when I hit Task View. Are they properly optimized for Intel HD Graphics?
 
Intel HD Graphics, no, intel dropped the ball on WIn10 support
 
The HD Graphics Control Panel says I'm running "Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview" meaning it's not updated for RTM
It's not a graphically intensive operation. Yes, Windows 10 has a lot more eye candy in the window manager, but no, it shouldn't be hard on the IGP.
 
I had some major issues when I upgraded last night between the time i had proper display drviers instaled.
Have you installed the driver Intel released yesterday ( or around then ) instead of the month old drivers?
 
The backlight was stuck at 100% until Windows Update installed the drivers.
 
I will again point out Intel really dropped the ball with Windows 10 support they don't even have production x86 drivers today.
 
10:02 PM
The driver is at version 10.18.15.4256.
This is the most current driver.
 
HD 4600+?
 
Yes, HD 4600.
It's not supposed to be that slow.
 
their website is...lol
 
It's Haswell Gen7.5 graphics on an i7.
 
I went to Intel's website, they are saying the production driver actually is 10.18.14.4251
not .4256
 
10:06 PM
20 execution units operating at up to 1.3 GHz (i7-4800MQ)
 
hold....might have click the wrong thing.
 
Seems the IGP isn't ramping up to full clock speed.
GPU-Z is telling me it's running at 600 MHz.
That must be why I'm not getting a full 60 fps.
 
I think they pulled the Windows 10 drivers..
It isn't in the all downloads and the filter for the (2) drivers for Windows 10 is still loading after 5 minutes.
 
Seems to be better if I set it to Maximum Performance in the Power section of the Intel Graphics Control Panel.
That forces the IGP to run at the full 1.3 GHz.
Not perfect, probably needs to be optimized better.
 
nm...
 
10:15 PM
So, my girlfriend just came in to my work, and had bought a Justin Bieber Singing Toothbrush. I wrapped that up with his old mouse pad, and put it in his desk drawer. God, I love that woman... My girlfriend, not Justin B... (Reference‌​)
 
It is alright. We know you love both.
Why would we think Justin B was your girlfriend?
 
Us Canadians, refer to him as a girl.
 
Alright......
seriously?
I just noticed something Edge does not even import your IE favs...
lol
 
10:30 PM
they should have kept the name "Spartan"
 
I still use Chrome on my Win10 install -.-
ANYWAYS! Reboot time, and I gotta take off for the weekend. Have a good one, everyone
 
go away
 
10:44 PM
At no point does the IGP utilization hit 100% when I open Task View. That shows that it's not properly optimized.
 
10:55 PM
man....
I am either imaging it or my hdd is working extra hard after that win10 install....
or i just don't have my filter noise lol
 
The Windows 10 desktop has more eye candy than ever. The minimize, restore, and maximize animations are more sophisticated than before and the Task View animations feels like Compiz.
21 hours ago, by DragonLord
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> While Microsoft’s changes could prompt security concerns over the validity of OS updates, it’s likely that the company has built in methods to prevent tampering and a means to verify update packages before they’re applied to Windows 10 systems.
I really hope so. A P2P update system introduces real potential for someone to tamper with update packages and use them as a vector for distributing malware.
 
Anonymous
@DragonLord of course they thought of that, of course they sign updates
 
Anonymous
they already do that iirc... Windows Update isn't the only way they distribute updates
 
11:16 PM
@DragonLord my first thought was: disable it, that's an attack vector
 

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