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12:13 AM
@MichaelFrank sit, stay, good minion?
 
Ahh that is interesting, looks like they have a solution now to the CPU staying half asleep when doing massive storage (files and copying) operations. Before the cpu would not kick-up in speed when doing even hard disk stuff, "Dynamic Storage Acceleration"
Must be enabled in UEFI . from intel "Dynamic Storage Accelerator Performance is dependent upon several factors including workload, storage configuration, operating system (OS), and CPU C-state transition efficiency. Testing has found that Dynamic Storage Accelerator performance mode, 2 SSD RAID 0 provides up to a 15-percent performance gain"
I figure in my tests it is about 10% average with raid and ssd, WHEN the cpu would stay asleep vrses locking the cpu high manually, to "accelerate" file copy.
I switched it on, and was wondering why my CPU was stepping up higher when there was not a lot of work for it to do, I figure it was stepping up because of various programs I/O.
At intel it is listed as a part of the intel Rapid Storage Technology, or generally thier chipsets used for disk controllers.
 
Bob
@allquixotic You've probably already seen this, but: lysator.liu.se/c/schildt.html
For some reason, I love reading this kind of dissection :)
 
12:34 AM
@JourneymanGeek Awesome things like Anti-trust, bribery, how not to end up in jail, etc.
 
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Q: What's the best programs used to recover a deleted .pst file?

NetWarrior Possible Duplicate: Best undelete tool for NTFS/FAT? What's the best programs used to recover .PST files successfully without having to spend $1000 for a data recovery company. In my understanding once a file is deleted its not deleted per se. What I'm looking for is a program that has...

Possible duplicate, but the duplicate is deleted
 
@MichaelFrank: so "Don't get caught"
@ekaj: meh, spam magnet, zero vote answers, migrated in....
I'd be tempted to delete that
 
Alright, but click on the duplicate
 
Yea, it's gone. There are probably other duplicates it could be linked to.
But I don't think anyone would miss that question if it were deleted.
@Bob - I don't remember if I told you, but it turns out that Avast! was the culprit when I couldn't access any system tools or my 2TB drive.
 
then did you star the 2nd to the last ---> favorited stars there :-)
 
Bob
12:39 AM
@MichaelFrank :S
 
@Psycogeek I should do that.
 
1:24 AM
Quotes From Star Trek, if star trek was actually in our future. (previously posted)
Bones: "She's dead jim, the Med4030 isn't supported any more."
Kirk: "But spock , the features said it could detect the borg from 6 LightYears away, now they are on top of us."
Scotty: "Sorry capt'n she just cant take anymore, remember the bandwitch cap that the klingons put on, there is nothing i can do about it now."
Uhura: "Captain, the signal is very weak, I will see if i can clean it up. . . . its in some alien language , something about needing to re-Activate."
Jordi: "It's the plasma data conduent, someone must be downloading a torrent in the holodeck."
Janeway: "But how could they all be dead, we didnt send the virus out yet, just the upgrade."
Spock: "Illogical, the features of the few are overriding the bugs of the many."
Picard: "What do you mean the computer is down, dont we have half the crew working on that now?"
7of9 : "hello, collective hello? can you hear me now, is it working?"
and finnaly
Checkov: "Vat are you doing here and Vhere did you come from ?"
O'Neil: "it must have been a glitch in the dialing program."
 
1:50 AM
@Bob hadn't seen it before. a pedant's wet dream
 
2:01 AM
@JourneymanGeek From a link inside that article: righto.com/2014/05/a-look-inside-ipad-chargers-pricey.html
 
@MichaelFrank: Thats something that gets linked here often. Especially by @Bob ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek By me? I've only linked it once!
Heck, you were the first!
Aug 8 '13 at 15:37, by Bob
I think @JourneymanGeek quoted that article before.
> In Holland my name is Gert
In Denmark it is Gerardus
In Germany they refuse to try pronounce my name
@allquixotic holy shit perl is bloated
portable strawberryperl extracts to 325 MB. for comparison, portable python extracts to 75 MB...
hm. looks like it's specific to this distribution
which thought it was a good idea to ship the whole of mingw
the actual perl folder is "only" 100 MB
 
2:23 AM
Wow... people are on fire with finding Destiny Loot caves.
 
2:40 AM
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Q: u need to run a local fabfile.py, but Fabric's a tick to install. Run fabfile.py as a script

PhlipFear not, enchanted readers - the answer is at hand. (Or is it?) First, the back story. In one paragraph for easy skipping. Fabric is fun to run ; it does diseased things to distant servers, and you can move your local commands from history in into it. When it runs local(), that calls os.system,...

seems... spammy.
@jou
 
Actually no
The OP is having too much fun tho
 
2:56 AM
 
@JourneymanGeek It seems like a tutorial for SEO scripting...
 
naw, its a ssh based remote scripting tool
and the user's other deleted question is similarly wierdly written but legit
 
3:39 AM
@_@
apparently, "Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr." (and some other stuff) is an acceptable title in Germany
this looks badly google translated: cphys.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/index_en.htm
 
Herr Professor Doctor Doctor Doctor? ;p
 
if you got it Flaunt it
 
@allquixotic That wouldn't even pay for the amount of pencil he used...
 
3:59 AM
Ken Shirriff's articles are nothing short of incredible
 
Bob
4:10 AM
@allquixotic O_O
> If you could figure out a mathematical shortcut to generate successful hashes, you could take over Bitcoin mining.
...and, more importantly, you've broken SHA2.
 
@Bob well, important for whom? if you secretly broke SHA2 and were able to exploit it for massive payouts to yourself to get rich, convert it to cash and get gone before anyone comes after you, that would be pretty important for you -- but then, if anyone else reproduces your work or if you distribute your work on breaking it, stuff like hashes of downloads, git, and maybe some aspects of TLS start to get broken
 
Bob
@allquixotic Breaking SHA2 would have massive implications worldwide, considering its widespread usage.
Far more than bitcoin failing.
 
4:46 AM
@Bob only if people knew about the breakage... If someone breaks it, steals BTC, but never tells anyone he broke it or provides evidence that he did, it's just a bank heist :p
Like the millions that went missing from Mt. Gox
 
5:20 AM
 
Bob
5:45 AM
ISO 8601 was published on 06/05/88 and most recently amended on 12/01/04.
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@allquixotic currently fucking around with date/time formats -__-
trying to get a JS client and Java servlet to talk
ideally, ISO-8601
but JS's toISOString is only supported in IE9+
so that has to be manually implemented
and Java's SimpleDateFormat has patchy support too
fuuuuuuck why is this so difficult
I'm tempted to just use s since unix epoch
 
6:00 AM
Thats a reasonable compromise ;p
I mean, the ISO system, Even if dd mm yyyy makes more sense ;p
 
6:17 AM
@Bob works for me, if there was a standard that is the one they should use, not only for comptuers, but i have my whole tape Library sorted using that method. on a digital clock where is the smallest incrament (seconds) on the right. with a Scale for weight, with a countdown timer, with frequency on the radio. (we can reverse it for the middle east :-)
In the tape library it is known as the Psycogeek Decimal System (well my actual name)
 
Bob
@Psycogeek Yea, I normally use dd/mm/yyyy day-to-day because familiarity, but I try to use yyyy-mm-dd whenever I create files (sortable), write programs, etc..
I'm biased, but of all the date formats in common use I'd say mm/dd/yyyy makes the least sense -_-
I suppose when you're speaking, mm/dd makes some sense
but once you add the yyyy it becomes weird
 
I feel though there will be some minor resistance. So the solution is to get 2.8 billion doller grants from each governemt and start the campaign for re-training :-)
(it is important to the whole economy to be consistant with weights and measures)
 
@Bob Its american.
That explains it all ;p
 
even the european version makes some sence
 
6:57 AM
Cripes i already had to activate this thing yesterday , half the freak asleep from speanding the day in the licence game, Today it kiks up a Genuine :-pppppphht
Takes the first 10 minutes to allow it through the firewall, which (of course) it deems failure to call home again.
All because i Borked the motherboard and replaced it, But what occurs ALSO is when installing drivers and switching the bios elements the Hash breaks 2-3 more times as is thinks it sees different hardware. Like the 4 HDs instead of raid Array, and the onboard video vrses the GPU card, and the 2 Different lans.
 
7:26 AM
And the "product key" visable display doesnt match the "product key" your supposed to type in, so i dont even know which one it is.
You Bastards
 
Bob
@Psycogeek You mean the product ID? or activateion code? or does it actually say product key?
 
I am now trying to use one of the other licences.
But i got computers and licences , and dont know which belongs with which. (even if the sticker was on the case , the case gets changed.
Hell icant spell my own name, how am i going to type this shit
 
7:43 AM
correction the Product ID does not match the product key, or any info provided on the package recieved. that is why i dont know which licecne belongs on which computer. And the other computer DOES have the same ID, as it has for like 3+ years past updates multiple activations etc.
it could be one of these services are off, like MsBkdrNSa.svc or something :-)
I found another product key, but it says pocketpc 2003 premium W/ outlook 2002 WTF looks like thier key and is a sticker for the back of a puter. I think this was the original win7 no sp
ahh here we go the activation diagnostic tool shows parts of the product KEY that is there.
it also shows my browser is securely locked down :-) and couldnt talk out if it wanted to.
gol dam 6 point font using Qs and 0s and 8s and Bs
freaking microscope to read it
 
Bob
8:19 AM
IIRC they specifically avoid those confusing characters o.o
 
8:43 AM
screw it, i am just going to sue them for $1500 for having to clean and organise 10 years of crap, then buy another licence with it :-)
so far i found about 40 licences, over half probably 100% obsolete
and 1/2 of those were so buggy i never got to use the software much
 
9:10 AM
I'm not sure the licences and software are at fault...
 
9:20 AM
i got Dongle ware too, and it is almost worse, 6 driver/service items to service the dongle.
With software is is like having to call the dealer to turn on the freaking radio in your car, then call them again to adjust the seats, then have to have a key to replace the floor mats, then have to type in 128 digit pile of garbage to get the spare tire out. then have to go to a certified dealer to change the oil.
To top it off when you get rid of it, it is like some drunk puked in your back seat :-)
 
 
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12:23 PM
hm
Gotta love the tag wiki excerpt
 
1:08 PM
Arrgh Win 8 keeps hanging up, all I get it this in the mini dump pastebin.com/Pr7XhAQJ
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Q: Finding cause of bugcheck 0x124 - WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR

0xC0000022LThis is somewhat related to this question For some time now, my system sporadically hangs with the sound card playing the previous sample in a loop and sometimes a flickering screen. bluescreens with above error code. This is an HP Elitebook 8740w and I have turned to the HP support for help...

 
Ash
 
Oh wait, I'll try a checkdisk
 
Ash
@HackToHell may the force be wid you
 
> A fatal hardware error has occurred.

Component: AMD Northbridge
Error Source: Machine Check Exception
Error Type: HyperTransport Watchdog Timeout Error
Processor APIC ID: 0

The details view of this entry contains further information.
Oh Noes
I think my stupid North Bridge is overheating
 
That doth not look good
 
1:14 PM
@JourneymanGeek :(
Hmm it happens only in Windows 8
Perhaps I should install Catalyst
 
maybe driver issues?
 
@JourneymanGeek probable
My North Bridge is at 68C o_0
 
Bob
@HackToHell Might be time to remove that giant wad of dust.
 
@Bob Yeah ...I should clean it
I have already had issues with it in the past
 
hi all
can some one help me on this ? superuser.com/questions/816746/low-ram-in-windows-8-1-update
 
1:20 PM
In fact I removed the heat sink and applied the thermal paste again cause this used to happen
The screen used to flicker then, now it simply hangs
 
@Mahdi Dude. You really have to do something about that formatting
 
1:44 PM
@JourneymanGeek oddly enough, this weekend I had to reboot my desktop due to a similar issue, but what actually happened is that, despite closing as many programs as I could, and looking at the memory and I/O stats, I couldn't find any reason to account for why about 29 out of my 32 GB of RAM were allocated
 
A little better :D
 
they weren't allocated to SYSTEM, nor to any userspace process that was alive/visible
but the night before I ran Distant Worlds: Universe for a long time, and I wonder if that caused a memory leak in AMD Catalyst that isn't observable by the OS, it just thinks the memory is unavailable
 
Bleh the temperature shoots up again
And Windows is prolly going to hang if I start Visual Studio
:/
 
@HackToHell get all the dust out
 
@allquixotic I did!
I think i'll have to redo the thermal contact between the heat sink and the chip
 
1:59 PM
that auto-suggest of Swiftkey makes me wonder sometimes
do I really use AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA that often?
 
Apparently so
 
WIN is probably from my discussions of what the Orioles are doing this year :P
 
Bob
@allquixotic Should've checked with RAMMap
 
2:18 PM
@Bob whoops
I only went as far as Performance Monitor
 
Bob
@allquixotic Yea, RAMMap can show driver-locked RAM.
 
oh cool
I'll probably start up Distant Worlds again tonight (my time) and see if kernel memory leaks while it's running
that would also explain the unexpected crash with a NullPointerException -- it may not have been the program's fault, if the OS just said "OOM!"
(even if it wasn't technically out of VAS)
 
Hello. I was wondering if anyone here might have a suggestion on how to solve my problem described here: superuser.com/questions/817626/…
 
@Thomas your question got downvoted because you don't mention the distinction between "working fine" and "can't get access to the site" -- you need to tell us exactly what you see, in which web browser, the EXACT error... it matters
 
@allquixotic: Ok, I will do that. Thanks.
 
Bob
2:29 PM
@Thomas As a useful side effect, often searching Google for the exact error message will turn up similar situations and solutions.
 
actually it'd probably help if you would dig in a little deeper and use something like Wireshark or Fiddler to see what's going on at the network layer
 
Bob
@allquixotic I'd wait to see if the error indicates DNS, connection or other first.
 
the Linux box you have access to might not be filtered, if IT only bothered to install the filter (or the proxy, or the transparent stateful firewall, or whatever) on your Windows boxes
 
Bob
Then Fiddler. Then Wireshark if necessary.
Use the easier/higher-level tools first :P
 
could be on an entirely separate network; we have no idea what your network topology is
 
2:31 PM
Ok, I added what I get. I can add what I get from Wireshark also if that is helpful.
 
@Bob from my point of view, using wireshark is easier -- I mean, I know how to use it, so going straight to it is usually more informative :P I forget that some people don't know those tools
 
Bob
@allquixotic I mean, teaching others how to.
 
oh -- well, yeah
 
Bob
Actually, I don't even have Wireshark installed on most of my systems. Never needed it.
Only used it at work o.o (inspecting AD stuff)
 
I used it to debug some of that stuff I was hacking away on to make my browser look like it's in Canada (and to trick Flash)
 
Bob
2:32 PM
hmmm might have it on my laptop, I forgot
 
It looks like I just get a connection timed out. The strange thing is that when I ping the website (from he command prompt in Windows) I get a fine response...
 
I love that Flash can go through a forced SOCKS5 proxy injected by modified code in winsock32, and be none the wiser
I guess they don't use Themida on Flash like they do on libspotify :P amazing that Spotify is more paranoid than Adobe
 
Bob
@Thomas At this point, yea, Wireshark would help.
Alternatively, you can fire up telnet and try manually connecting
telnet example.com 80
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> Host: example.com
>
>
(press enter twice at the end)
 
if it's getting silently timed out, it could be that you have a stateful firewall that is simply ignoring your outbound packets to that domain, rather than tell you something useful like "we don't trust that site, so we're blocking it"
"tried Tor browser and it didn't work" suggests to me either that (A) Tor is blocked on your network; or (B) the site itself has an (intermittent?) problem
 
Bob
@allquixotic Or it could be a misconfigured browser. Seen that before.
...oh didn't see the tor bit
 
2:35 PM
@Bob he's tried several browsers
 
@Bob: Ok, I will try that as well. (I will have to install it first though.)
 
I'm thinking it's pretty likely that Tor is blocked, so he never actually got on the Tor network
no, don't install telnet... just go straight to wireshark... too much effort for too little info just to telnet
FWIW, I was able to download the user guide
 
@allquixotic: I did manage to access other websites using tor (like google.com)
 
Bob
@Thomas If you don't have it installed, don't bother. As allq said, Wireshark.
 
@allquixotic: Thanks for checking on the user guide
 
2:37 PM
@Thomas well, the site could have a routing problem -- you probably don't know whether that Linux box and your other work PC are on the same network, do you? :P
check browser proxy settings in both, and the default gateway
see if they're the same
also probably worth comparing the public IPs of the two boxen at whatismyip.com
personally, in your shoes, I would forget the work network entirely, and spin up a VPS or cheap/small dedi (if you don't already have one out there) and drop stunnel and/or ssh on it (you'll need both if your network drops ssh, or just openssh if your network allows it outbound) and use it as a SOCKS5 proxy
but I do that anyway, soooo
 
Bob
...
> IBM Notes client application (since version 8, this is based on Eclipse)
 
@Bob I may or may not have that running currently on the system I'm typing this on >__>
v8.5 ;p
 
Bob
based... on... eclipse... good lord
 
the UI is similar to their scalped OpenOffice that runs on top of Eclipse ;p www-03.ibm.com/software/products/en/lotusymp
 
Allright, I will have to try some of these thing and get back later...
 
Bob
2:45 PM
who the fuck uses eclipse as a base for this crap
 
(I did try getip.com on the aescrypt.com and I get:
IP Address: 174.129.216.74
Node Hostname: aescrypt.com
Numeric Address: 2927745098
Country: United States (US)
State or Province: Virginia (VA)
City: Ashburn
Zip / Postal Code: Unknown
Latitude: 39.0437
Longitude: -77.4875
ISP: Amazon.com
 
@Bob what do you mean "good lord"? IBM (heavily!) funds the development of Eclipse and the Eclipse community exactly because the Rich Client Platform (RCP) is a pretty good framework for writing modular GUI-driven apps
@Thomas okay, so it runs on EC2
the only thing that Eclipse needs is lots of RAM... or, you know, a 16GB page file on a top-end SSD, in my case, lol
 
EC2?
 
@Thomas yeah. IP = Amazon and State = Virginia ==> runs on Amazon EC2
 
2:47 PM
@allquixotic: Ok
 
@Thomas amazon 'vps'
 
Bob
@allquixotic Considering 8 GB of RAM is apparently not enough for it, ... ... ...
 
@allquixotic: So should I just post all of what I see with WireShark>
 
@Bob you must've been running a memory leaky plugin or something; haven't experienced anything like that
 
Bob
@allquixotic Complete base installation. (I think I grabbed the J2EE web stuff version, it was a while ago)
 
2:47 PM
There are some TCP retransmissions ...
 
Bob
It couldn't cope with the number and size of js & icon files in the web project
 
@Bob ok, well, I have an uptime of somewhere around 180 hours (estimate) of this Lotus Notes app and it's using 94 MB of RAM, after sending and reading dozens of emails in its built-in HTML renderer
@Thomas don't worry about TCP retransmissions
I mean, they can indicate a potential problem, but they're pretty normal
what you should be looking for is packets originating from the remote server, aeswhatever.com (and destinated to your box)
if you see nothing in that pairing of (source = aescrypt.com, dest = you), then something is borked
(most likely your work firewall)
 
@allquixotic: I see nothing with source 174.129.216.74 (aescrypt)
 
@Bob sounds like a bug in that specific component then, which is not a reason to hate Eclipse universally
that's like saying, the window in that car nearly caught my fingers in it when I tried to roll it up, so all <car manufacturer> <car model> vehicles are universally terrible!
"number and size of js & icon files" has absolutely nothing to do with the core Eclipse Rich Client Platform -- that's definitely EE-specific functionality
the RCP isn't even a programming IDE; it's just SWT and some packaging/wrapping/module specification type logic (OSGi, etc)
@Thomas like I said, and like I suspected from the beginning, it's most likely your firewall silently dropping the packets
if you'd check the bloody default gateway and public IP between the two computers you have access to at work (the Linux one, and the one that doesn't work, whatever it runs), and compare them, you'd probably find that they are different
which is reason enough to at least suspect that you are being filtered while the Linux box isn't
 
Bob
@allquixotic As far as I'm concerned, if it's a standard configuration and requires extensive tuning to operate correctly, that's a good enough reason to hate it.
 
2:53 PM
if they were the same then we could start looking at browser/OS configuration
@Bob all I can say is, have fewer icons and JS files :P
 
Bob
@allquixotic Bad analogy. More like "I tried to start the car and it started spewing black smoke out the exhaust."
 
what I should really say is, rather than hating Eclipse as a whole, just hate the Eclipse IDE components, since that's where your problem seems to lie
@Bob bad analogy -- the engine in this case (RCP) is fine -- it's something like, the windshield wipers tore themselves apart when you turned them on
 
Bob
@allquixotic It certainly doesn't instill confidence in the rest of the ecosystem.
 
@Bob perhaps so -- but I run three separate RCP applications by two independent companies (one IBM, one... a different one ;p) and the only complaint I have is that my systems have too little RAM installed, so when I maximize them after a long time of having them iconified, I get to wait for the disk/SSD to load them back up
but 4 GB and 2 GB RAM is too little, even if I were running apps written in pure C
no mem leaks or stability problems, though, and they perform well enough once they're loaded out of the page file
oh, worth mentioning that each of these RCP apps is running on the latest "u" (update) version of Java 7, 32-bit
 
Bob
> I am on a Windows machine, specifically Windows Server 2008 Datacenter Edition x64, 4Gb of RAM, 3Ghz Core 2 Duo processor, etc. I am using the x64 JDK. I use the NOD32 Antivirus since for me it is the best in machine performance.
O_O
 
2:58 PM
> ...Datacenter... 4Gb of RAM... Core 2...
 
Bob
(that was in 2008 though)
 
can this person please be made aware that his computer is as old as a car from 1945?
oh, nvm lol
 
Bob
@allquixotic newer than that
core 2 is more like... 80s
40s you're looking at 286/386 I guess
 
I mean, hell, my technology at work is old -- pathetically old -- and the oldest thing I have is a 2 GB system with a Nehalem-shrink (I always forget the name) laptop chip. and the newer one is Sandy Bridge!
heh, I dunno, 1980 might be a decent analogy, assuming the car had been in service since then..
 
Bob
@allquixotic Oh yea, SP3 top-end (i7) is on sale for $1700 at the moment
 
3:01 PM
I remember riding in an (old) 1980 Chevy when I was a kid, in the low to mid-90s
 
Bob
pretty tempted :P
 
that car was at least 13 or 14 years old at the time
 
Bob
must... resist...
 
the floor boards were rotting and its antiquated Carburetor technology meant that it would often flood when trying to start it
 
Bob
well, it's over $100, resisting is pretty easy actually
 
3:01 PM
@Bob $1700 isn't what I consider a "sale" -_-
I can't afford that right now; I'm too focused on my Chevrolet Volt
 
A while after I upgraded to Photoshop CC, Photoshop randomly freezes my whole computer (5-year old iMac, 6GB RAM). I can still move the mouse but that's about it. In activity monitor, it says 5.99GB of my 6.00GB RAM is used, ±2,5GB of which seems to be used by Photoshop. Then there's kernel_task using about 1GB, but the rest of programs all use <25MB of memory. Any ideas why so much memory is being used, and whether this can cause my mac to freeze completely?
 
@Lokkij just a random guess, but it could be that Photoshop's now extremely heavy use of the GPU is causing bugs to be exposed in your graphics driver for your old (5 year old) graphics card
 
Bob
Oh, second from top actually
@allquixotic Normal price is $130 more
and I can claim back at least $170 from taxes
 
remember, as Photoshop has been getting more advanced, they are starting to use your GPU for all sorts of stuff, but mapping general purpose programming (GPGPU) onto old GPUs is actually quite hard, and creates a rather strange problem for graphics driver devs
if your graphics driver hasn't received an update from Apple in years, then it's no wonder it's not up to snuff
 
@allquixotic Yeah, I'm guessing my NVIDIA GT120 isn't going to cut it anymore. :( CS4 worked just fine though
 
Bob
3:04 PM
I should try running After Effects again. It'll be fun to see how fast it is now :P
 
@Lokkij welcome to real life (well, more accurately, the proprietary software world), where system requirements steadily increase over time, and vendors just stop supporting old hardware beacuse they can't be arsed
 
Bob
@Lokkij You might have some luck switching back to software rendering.
Also, what do you have loaded in PS? 2.5 GB is quite a lot.
 
I wonder how slow it would be in software mode, though? would it fall back to the algorithms that worked okayish in the older versions of photoshop, or would it try to run e.g. OpenCL on the CPU?
 
@Bob Ooh, how would I do that?
 
OpenCL on the CPU is hilariously bad :D
 
Bob
3:06 PM
@allquixotic Shouldn't be too bad, hopefully.
 
@Bob Two 4000x4000 PSD files. I guess that's too large for my machine? ;)
 
Bob
I've been recommended to disable it, actually.
Apparently PS's GPU acceleration doesn't like switchable graphics.
 
@Bob this is a Mac, so who knows what it likes or doesn't like?
a 5 year old iMac wouldn't have switchable graphics anyway
 
Bob
@allquixotic I just meant in my case the recommendation was to fall back to software rendering.
 
@Bob I never got the "graphics card no longer supported" message it shows on that support page. Try it anyway?
 
Bob
3:09 PM
@Lokkij Wrong link.
 
@Bob Ah, I though so. I couldn't find the software rendering either :)
 
Bob
@allquixotic There's a separate OpenCL option that actually defaults to off.
 
heh, one of my work systems has an Nvidia card of the same generation as @Lokkij's (but it's NVS instead of GeForce; same diff), and even after applying the Windows 7 Platform Update and updating to the latest ODE driver, Word documents with translucent layers (watermarks, etc) still horribly corrupt the rendering when scrolling :|
 
Bob
 
could be an Office patch that they chose not to apply, though
 
Bob
3:11 PM
You can try unticking the "use graphics processor"
 
@Bob I wonder if they use CUDA anyway, even if OpenCL is disabled?
 
Bob
@allquixotic Dunno, I'm on a laptop with AMD/Intel graphics
 
@Bob Thanks, I'll try that. Thanks for the help! :)
 
historically, Macs have had terrible GPU driver support on the whole -- the implementation is basically there, but it's generally not very well optimized, and buggy
 
Bob
If you untick the option in the first dialog, it'll disable the advanced settings entirely
 
3:12 PM
it may not be true anymore on the latest hardware, but they've probably stopped updating for the old hardware
 
Bob
Presumably, OpenCL isn't used in software mode
 
the funny thing is, for Macs, the code paths that Quartz uses for its compositing and basic web surfing are extremely well-tested and optimized, but once you go outside that, it's like landmines everywhere :D
there are relatively fewer landmines on Windows and Linux for the proprietary drivers, where the use cases are so broad that they've been requested by various customers to make the driver work in almost every conceivable code path
lol I get a kick out of this www-03.ibm.com/software/products/en/lotusymp
> No-charge, open and intuitive software for improving business productivity
> Request a quote
if the quote doesn't come back $0, I'd be like, "wait, what?!"
 
Bob
@allquixotic I was actually wondering about that :P
 
maybe only the software is free, but support is mandatory and non-free
I kinda hate that. :S
 
Bob
heh, mandatory support
 
3:27 PM
"you must have problems that need our engineers!!!!"
just by association with NSALinux SELinux it makes me slightly wary, but oh well
 
 
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4:49 PM
@Bob Jesus Christ.. another Shellshock-related fix! This reminds me of the people who do little bitty SQL Injection fixes but then the clever attacker almost instantly finds another hole..
 
Bob
@allquixotic ???
 
it's like Shellshock 2. or Shellshock 1.5. or something.
 
Bob
in The Comms Room, 2 days ago, by Bob
@Iain are you fucking kidding me?
(same context)
@allquixotic Already fixed in Debian as of last Thursday.
> * Add variables-affix.patch patch.
Apply patch from Florian Weimer to add prefix and suffix for environment
variable names which contain shell functions.
 
there are five distinct exploits, looks like: shellshocker.net/#systemtest
fuck; my global zone is vulnerable
and there's no pkgin to update because it's a readonly FS
wonder if OVH patched their ver
 
Bob
@allquixotic shouldn't be a problem if you aren't accepting any untrusted remote data
 
5:02 PM
@Bob SSH though, right? isn't it exploitable over SSH?
 
Bob
@allquixotic nup
 
oh ok
 
Bob
@allquixotic it's only exploitable if you restrict the commands they can run (like git ssh)
 
the only listening processes I have running are nginx, stunnel, and OpenSSH in guest VMs, and Solaris SSH in the global zone
 
Bob
ssh auth is still secure
so unless you actually let untrusted people auth through ssh, it's safe
 
5:03 PM
I don't.
and stunnel will refuse the TLS handshake if the wrong keypair is presented
 
Bob
even then, AFAIK all they can do is break out of ForceCommand into a standard bash shell running as their user, not root (I'm not 100% sure of this)
 
local user shell access is pretty scary though if they're malicious
 
Bob
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Q: how can shellshock be exploited over SSH?

Martin VegterApparently, the shellshock Bash exploit CVE-2014-6271 can be exploited over the network via SSH. I can imagine how the exploit would work via Apache/CGI, but I cannot imagine how that would work over SSH? Can somebody please provide an example how SSH would be exploited, and what harm could be d...

 
they could make the server a botnet even without root
part of one, anyway
 
Bob
@allquixotic most/all of those will be prevented by the prefix/suffix patch
since it'll only accept very specific envvars
afaik anyway
 
5:07 PM
I installed the first bash CVE patch rolled out by CentOS on the new Cavil VM the other day, and updated bash on my Hetzner servers, and I'm pretty sure I don't run any CGI scripts
too bad we didn't all listen to Ubuntu and just run Dash -_-
(kidding)
 
Bob
@allquixotic ...I'm on Debian.
My /bin/sh => dash
 
<sarcasm> Oh the joy of running Windows and not having these sort of critical bugs infest your operating system </sarcasm>
 
@Bob pretty sure that one of the things I habitually do when setting up a Debian server is replace the /bin/sh symlink with /bin/bash because so many scripts expect bash-specific features
@Mokubai /me pulls out a lethal weapon, then slowly and warily puts it away upon seeing </sarcasm>
 
Bob
@allquixotic I don't run many scripts that do that, thankfully.
Wouldn't want to touch them either.
@allquixotic There's a good reason they use dash there.
 
@allquixotic Hey, it's not often us Windows guys can make fun of you lot for gaping security flaws...
 
5:11 PM
@Bob back in the bad old desktop days, it was always Adobe Reader and VMware's installer that did it -_-
 
Bob
Specifically because it's POSIX-compliant while not including too many extraneous features. Just enough to make the OS working.
 
I think the actual reason they use dash is that it's faster than bash, particularly on boot, when you don't have time for a heavy interpreter for your boot scripts
back in the Core2 era on 5400rpm HDDs and DDR2, there was measurable latency difference between the performance of a lightweight interpreter like dash and a heavy one like bash
oh man, I just got a hilarious name for an LLVM-based, JIT-optimized POSIX Bourne shell implementation
Clash. Get it? omg
 
Bob
@allquixotic Eh? Eh.
@allquixotic ...
 
well, this isn't LLVM-related, but still, stop thinking of things before me, fuckers!!! -_-
I'm supposed to be the only one with a unique thought in the world! </sarc>
 
5:54 PM
huh. I've known for a decade that spacebar usually pages down in a web browser, but I had no idea that shift+space pages up ^_^
that's mighty convenient compared to those tiny and hard to find PgUp/PgDn keys!
 
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