Root Access

4:00 PM

@Bob heh, oh boy

best support request ever (true story, just happened): "your program isn't working on my machine!" ... I go over, double click it, it pops up a little black window then disappears immediately. Hmm. Open cmd.exe and run it. "Program is too large to fit in memory". Hmm. Copy exe to network drive, md5sum it to what I sent. Doesn't match. Filesize is smaller. Incomplete download. Plz to use internet correctly, thx

Bob

4:12 PM

@allquixotic eh, to be fair it's not easy to verify a download succeeded correctly

the issue is more the browser actually left the partial file, and didn't at least warn

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Use a decent downloader. Problem solved.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Using a "downloader" apart from my browser feels so very icky. You don't use one, do you? Do you??

Journeyman Geek

I do ;p

though its wget or axel

That Brazilian Guy

I do and I don't. Simultaneously.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Heh, I use that too sometimes :P

That Brazilian Guy

4:22 PM

@Bob No-multipart, no-resumable downloads feel so very ungeeky. You don't do that, do you? Do you??

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy Schroedinger's download is finished.

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Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Eh, FF has resumable downloads by default :P

And multipart breaks so often I'd rather not, most of the time (many sites don't like it).

Not to mention, my connection ends up being the bottleneck, not the remote server's... bleh.

DTA is reserved for bulk downloads. Or very very large downloads, sometimes.

That Brazilian Guy

Every download of mine is multipart. I never had a problem because of it. In fact, sometimes it will have only 4 parts and I keep clicking GIMME MOAR PARTS!!!!! (And for the sites that don't like it, DTA just readjusts for the number of maximum allowed connections, IIRC)

allquixotic

I think, unfortunately, that applications assuming that TCP sockets will be "reliable" and never go down, doesn't hold true in the reality of the public internet (and peoples' crappy networking hardware) in practice. And, just because a TCP socket dies, doesn't mean you should necessarily give up and tell the user there's an error.

Bob

@allquixotic Oh sure, keep trying with resume capability. But at some point you'll have to fail with an error.

And at no point should you ever expose the partially-downloaded file as the full file.

allquixotic

4:32 PM

For instance, in multiplayer gaming, proper netcode will recover cleanly from a dropped TCP socket (or it won't use TCP at all, but that's a different story). But by and large web browsers consider a dropped TCP socket (timeout or explicit disconnect) to be fatal.

Bob

I'm not saying error-out/fail immediately.

I'm saying you should never be mislead into thinking the download is finished.

allquixotic

@Bob I agree

there needs to be some kind of reliable download protocol added to the web standards that builds in SHA1 summing as part of the download

Bob

@allquixotic Heck, the main problem is truncation, not corruption.

allquixotic

start download -> grab SHA1sum first, automatically -> start download -> N number of failed TCP sockets, whatever, resume -> if the end result (after you either give up or think you're done) doesn't match the SHA1sum, let the user choose whether to retry, or delete the download ands tart over

Bob

I've seen browsers proudly present a "finished" download like a newborn baby missing its legs, and telling you it's perfect.

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allquixotic

4:33 PM

well yea, corruption is super rare thanks to TCP's built-in checksums

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Whenever I install uTorrent I activate the option to have unfinished files to a temp extension (usually .!!!). Why doesn't it do that by default?

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Some browsers. Mostly historical IE, really.

allquixotic

Chrome stores unfinished files as .crdownload, and Firefox (I think) stores them as .part, but IE ... stores them as the file itself :))

Bob

FF has some kind of temp naming too, and will rename to the correct extension after it's complete (it also locks a file open with the correct name to make sure it's available).

@allquixotic What, IE still does that? -_-

allquixotic

!! s/locks/locks (on Windows)/

ChatBot John Cavil

4:35 PM

@allquixotic FF has some kind of temp naming too, and will rename to the correct extension after it's complete (it also locks (on Windows) a file open with the correct name to make sure it's available). (source)

Bob

Heh. True.

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic Yes, and yet last week I tried several times to download a file that was 10MB, and it would truncate at 3MB, and FF would say "download finished OK".

(Is it posible that the server, mid-transfer, would say "oh wait the file size suddenly changed and you already have it all kthxbye")?

allquixotic

maybe we don't need a web standard or HTTP revision to add SHA1 support; maybe we just need a de facto standard of storing filename.ext.sha1sum files in the same directory as the file itself, and have a browser extension that automatically downloads it and runs a sha1sum implementation against the "finished" file

Bob

@allquixotic Good luck with that :P

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic We need HTTP/1.3 that is just like HTTP/1.2 but with a CHECKSUM command

Bob

4:37 PM

breaks all the generated downloads

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy that definitely sounds like something wrong with the web server... either that, or you're connecting through a proxy that is telling your client that the transfer completed successfully (e.g. by sending \r\n followed by closing the socket)

Bob

!! s/HTTP\/1.3/HTTP2.1/

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob @allquixotic We need HTTP2.1 that is just like HTTP/1.2 but with a CHECKSUM command (source)

Bob

shit

allquixotic

g

Bob

4:38 PM

@allquixotic won't work

needs two different replacements at the same time

new feature? :D :D

allquixotic

!! s/\\/(1\\.3|1\\.2)/\\2.1/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic No matching message (are you sure we're in the right room?)

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy some servers do break like that

@allquixotic except 1.3 => 2.1 and 1.2 => 2.0

allquixotic

!! s/\/(1\\.3|1\\.2)/\\2.1/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic No matching message (are you sure we're in the right room?)

allquixotic

4:40 PM

@Bob ah... yeah, no way to do that

Bob

@allquixotic sure you need to escape the backslashes?

!!tell 14017056 no

:(

STOP USING REGEXES NEXT THING YOU'LL NOW YOU'RE SUMMONING ZALGO!

allquixotic

4:41 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy we aren't parsing HTML with them. yet.

although historically when someone tells me not to do something, I tend to do it anyway

Bob

!!tell 14017099 zalgo s/YOU'RE SUMMONING ZALGO/THERE WON'T BE A PROBLEM/

ChatBot John Cavil

Server error (status 500) occured (message probably too long)

Bob

O.O

Canadian Luke

@Bob Lol @ deleted message

allquixotic

what's impressive is that zalgoscript doesn't break SE entirely... I mean it can weird-out some of the page rendering, but it doesn't cause any security vulnerabilities or anything like that

Bob

4:46 PM

!!zalgo test

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob t̶̵̰͈̠̹͇̟ͫ̌ͫ͢e̴̗̥̹͉͎̣̞s̻̣̱̔̎̔ͩ̇̂ͫ́͘͡t͂ͤͮ̉ͫ͝

allquixotic

you'd think with something that broken.....

Bob

@allquixotic It's just Unicode...

allquixotic

@Bob which has never caused a security vulnerability, anywhere, ever, right? :)

I mean, ever

Bob

@allquixotic It's just abuse of diacritics.

allquixotic

4:49 PM

Really, I mean it. Unicode has never caused any problems for anybody.

Bob

There's likely no custom code dealing with this, so it's just hoping MS got it right... I'd expect some HTML sanitisation, and then throwing it straight into the DB. Maybe encoded.

@allquixotic And those are likely rendering bugs. Which wouldn't affect SE directly.

allquixotic

likely URI-encoded at least

Bob

@allquixotic Why would you URI-encode chat messages?

anyway, reported: github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot/issues/185

allquixotic

@Bob because most webservers are vulnerable to HTTP Parameter Pollution?

acunetix.com/vulnerabilities/http-parameter-pollution

don't know if it applies to websockets, those are ... different

fortunately we don't use websockets in our apps

Bob

@allquixotic Eh, completely forgot about the message submission itself :P

@allquixotic Oh, yea, that IE5.5 support...

allquixotic

4:57 PM

@Bob 6, tyvm... fsck IE 5.5

Bob

@allquixotic You say that like it's something to be proud of :P

allquixotic

the oldest IE we support is fully patched IE 6 on XP, IIRC

@Bob well yeah, they could've made us support all the way back to Netscape Navigator 4.0

Bob

@allquixotic We're still down to IE7... dammit.

I have absolutely no idea why anyone would use anything older than IE8.

allquixotic

my opinion: IE 6 is abysmal; IE 7 is extremely bad; IE 8 is bad; IE 9 is almost OK; IE 10 is OK; IE 11 is actually good

Bob

Hey, @MichaelFrank, your GAYTMs made it on Reddit :P reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1z2wv4/gaytm

allquixotic

5:00 PM

don't have it in me to shirk company policy and install IE 11 when the "official" browser is IE 8 :S

besides it'd probably break something

Bob

heh

@allquixotic I ended up installing 11... and XP in a VM to test 7/8

browserstack is painfully slow

11's debugging tools are pretty good, and especially useful if you set it to 7 compat mode

allquixotic

one thing we have available to us as a resource is a fairly large internal server farm of OKish (:() VM host boxen, with allllll sorts of ancient OSes and browsers available to test on, plus a bunch of other VMs with certain software installed that we need once in a while

the VM host boxen have plenty of memory and I/O, but they're Core2 era Xeons, so, no EPT :(

Bob

hehe: theguardian.com/technology/shortcuts/2014/feb/26/…

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@allquixotic what does the lack of EPT mean?

Braiam

> one of France's best-known philosophers, was left to ponder his own expertise after quoting the lectures of Jean-Baptiste Botul as evidence that Kant was a fake, only to find out that Botul was the fake, an invention of a French reporter

O_O

allquixotic

@Bob greater memory latency, generally slower performance, worse VM density on the box than otherwise

Bob

5:16 PM

I'm slowly developing an intense hatred for ESXi

allquixotic

the "overhead" of VMs has gone from embarrassing (pre-Core2) to OK (with the introduction of VT-x) to very low (EPT, and incremental hardware improvements on the efficiency of VT-x)

That Brazilian Guy

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy ouch :(

That Brazilian Guy

And I sit facing a ~5m tall, 10m wide window. After 1 PM it is facing the sun

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy You need blinds.

Braiam

5:30 PM

nah, he needs an aircon

Canadian Luke

@ThatBrazilianGuy VVV

All last week, it was between -30C and -20C

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob I have. Old, a few are missing, there's gaps between each other... Probably decades old. I once got so fed up I started covering it all with old newspapers, but my coworkers started complaining it was ugly and I started worrying about the possibility of an accident, because a really tall window needs a tall ladder.

Weirdly, no one questions a random guy walking around with a really tall ladder.

@Braiam We have six (big room). Three aren't flowing cold enough air, and two are broken. Mine is one of the broken ones. After months of my boss complaining, they finally send someone to fix it. The "fix" was to apply a wet piece of cloth to the outer part of it.

@CanadianLuke I'd happilly trade. In fact, I'm considering it! (and only 75% jonkingly)

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy flowing ==> blowing, and send ==> sent

you're the guy who wants english corrections, right?

@Bob @Bob I can't help but choke on my drink as I'm reading SCIgen papers :D lolol

That Brazilian Guy

5:46 PM

Yes, thanks. (I was uncertain about the first one)

allquixotic

saw them before but I didn't actually click on a paper until now

> The notion that analysts connect with compilers is usually
17 well received. The notion that biologists collude with 802.11b is usually considered robust. However, simu-
18 lated annealing alone cannot fulfill the need for the construction of 802.11b.

> It should be noted that Bots is impossible.

> Bots, our new framework for the visualization of architecture, is the solution to all of these issues.

That Brazilian Guy

In Portuguese we have the Bullshit Talk generator:

> The effort to analyze the valuation of subjective factors assists the preparation and composition of corporate paradigms . It is clear that the mobility of international capital challenges the ability of equalization of various currents of thought . Care to identify critical points in the impartial judgment of contingencies requires us to consider the lifting of variables involved . Above all , it is essential to emphasize that monitoring of consumer preferences provides a better overview of strategic expertise to achieve excellence .

allquixotic

> We view operating systems as following a cycle of four [emphasis mine] phases: visualization, evaluation, and observation.

That Brazilian Guy

Little more than markovish-looking random blabbing

Canadian Luke

@ThatBrazilianGuy Je ne sais pas francais!

allquixotic

5:52 PM

@CanadianLuke I should start talking BS in chat and see how many people believe me... SCIgen makes me want to troll

Canadian Luke

@allquixotic SE isn't for trolling, reddit is

Oliver Salzburg

@CanadianLuke Turns out I'm at 100 friends already. I need to drop someone for you ;D

Bob

@allquixotic hehe

> Many physicists would agree that, had it not been for
congestion control, the evaluation of web browsers might never
have occurred. In fact, few hackers worldwide would disagree
with the essential unification of voice-over-IP and public-
private key pair. In order to solve this riddle, we confirm that
SMPs can be made stochastic, cacheable, and interposable.

allquixotic

@CanadianLuke Nonsense! You totally need to install a library for computationally simulating fuzzy optical drive throughput in order to fix your Windows 8 start menu.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy That must be what all managers use!

Canadian Luke

5:54 PM

@OliverSalzburg Yay, I feel wanted :)

Bob

The best part about that last one:

> This paper was accepted as a "non-reviewed" paper!

allquixotic

@Bob The stochastic reverberation wave function produced by Beats headphones causes a synergizing positive feedback effect in the listener's central cortex.

Bob

Huh, SU on mobile is slightly broken...

Canadian Luke

Oh ya, I forgot about the mobile web page

@OliverSalzburg My my, some people have lots of money to spend on donuts!

Oliver Salzburg

@CanadianLuke Something like that anyway

Canadian Luke

6:13 PM

I think I only bought two buildings with donuts just from randomly doing stuff. I don't spend money on mobile games

Oliver Salzburg

Let me just say, I've spend about 8000 donuts in that game so far and I didn't pay for them :P

Bob

> I only bought two buildings with donuts

???

Oliver Salzburg

And, no, I didn't nigerian prince scam anyone else into buying them either ;D

Bob

Out of context, that line is very confusing.

Oliver Salzburg

Jan 13 at 10:41, by Bob

why am I a toilet

4

So was that one :P

Bob

6:16 PM

xD

Oliver Salzburg

Interestingly, in both cases the context is gaming :D

allquixotic

@Bob Donuts are a very useful way to provide biological organisms with the carbohydrate they need to process. In addition, it is useful to note that the classist methodology of categorizing nutritional intake maps poorly onto the evidence base. It is therefore suggested that donuts be reconsidered as a utility for improving bodily function.

Bob

@allquixotic That's a bit too coherent. Not enough mention of sunlight.

Oliver Salzburg

Programming is fun :D

Canadian Luke

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Boris_yo

6:39 PM

My Nexus 4 does no longer vibrate. Manufacturing defect?

Michael Frank

7:00 PM

Could just be old. Can you get into the manufacturer recovery mode? They usually have a test tool that will test basic functions.

That Brazilian Guy

@Boris_yo Throw it on the wall, if it doesn't fix the phone, at least it'll show who's the boss

Michael Frank

7:51 PM

@Boris_yo type this into your dialer: *#*#0842#*#* it should test the Blacklight and Vibration functions.

may or may not work, depending on the version you have.

Boris_yo

@MichaelFrank Text disappeared and nothing happened. Safe-mode did not help as well..

Canadian Luke

8:07 PM

@MichaelFrank Same here

Michael Frank

Yea, it's possibly an OEM code, rather than something the manufacturer added.

Boris_yo

8:18 PM

@MichaelFrank Will upgrade to Android 4.3 help?

Michael Frank

I don't know.

Boris_yo

Another question about Remote Desktop Connection (RDC) on Windows 7

Canadian Luke

OK

Boris_yo

I have several machines I want to connect to but every time I must enter credentials of different machine. Is there a way to save profiles?

Michael Frank

!

Canadian Luke

8:20 PM

Per machine? Open the .RDP file as a text file

Boris_yo

1st machine: Boris1
2nd machine: Boris2
3rd machine: Boris3
Each machine has different password.

Michael Frank

The new HumbleBundle has a bunch of simulator games :o

Boris_yo

How to create profile for each in order to faster access each machine without filling login credentials every time?

Michael Frank

You can save credentials if you click 'Show Options' on the RDC screen.

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo mremoteng.org

Michael Frank

8:29 PM

Here you go @Boris_yo. This is how you can create shortcut icons on your desktop for each remote connection.

Or you can drag and drop a saved connection from the jump list in the start menu.

Infact if you pin the RDC program itself to your taskbar you get a jump list of frequently used servers.

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg @MichaelFrank Cheers

Michael Frank

It's amazing how much faster Windows 8.1 boots over Windows 7.

Boris_yo

@MichaelFrank On same HDD?

Michael Frank

well, I upgrade 7 to 8.1. It's also on an SSD.

Boris_yo

@MichaelFrank How much faster than 7?

Canadian Luke

8:38 PM

@OliverSalzburg Just downloaded that... Seems pretty slick! Imported most of my connections automatically

Boris_yo

Please specify in nano seconds.

Michael Frank

30 seconds?

Boris_yo

@CanadianLuke I hope you didn't pay taxes for importing

Oliver Salzburg

@CanadianLuke I use it every day. Works well most of the time

I especially like the Reconnect and Duplicate features for tabs :P

Canadian Luke

@Boris_yo I did, the usual 28%. Luckily, 28% of nothing is nothing

Boris_yo

8:43 PM

Who knows how to send email from email aliases of primary account on Android and Windows Outlook?

Boris_yo

8:56 PM

This is not baby gym!

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That Brazilian Guy

9:43 PM

@MichaelFrank Humble Bundle lately is either a lot of really "meh" games, or a lot of cool games that I say "damn, why did I bought those on Steam paying a lot more"

Michael Frank

Yea, I'm trying to remember the last HB I bought...

Anonymous

fucking firefox lost my tabs

Anonymous

now i have to manually go through sessionstore.js

Anonymous

url by url copy and pasting

Oliver Salzburg

10:03 PM

@PatoSáinz Regex them out, separate by |, then open all in one go

Something like that anyway

Or ask @Bob, he's probably knowledgeable about the subject

Anonymous

@OliverSalzburg problem is, regex extracts tab history

Anonymous

and i don't want the 9000000000 pages i've opened in my session

Anonymous

i just wanted my open tabs

Oliver Salzburg

Humm, I see

Best ask @Bob then :P He's an expert on Firefox and tabs

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allquixotic

i'm pretty sure when mozilla developed firefox's tab strategy they had bob in mind

5

Oliver Salzburg

10:05 PM

lol

Anonymous

They had hell in mind

Bob

restore sessionstore.bak
assuming you haven't restarted FF more than once after the loss

Anonymous

@Bob i already did all that BS, yes, i tried bookmarks too, yes, i tried that heroku app

Bob

Also, my tab (ab)use has turned into a running joke...

Anonymous

problem is that all my session files i could recover (recuva, current, previous versions) are a little corrupted at the end

Anonymous

10:12 PM

(btw a 15 mb sessionstore.js is worrying, right?)

Darth Android

Shadow copies?

allquixotic

next we'll be talking about electron microscopes

Darth Android

@PatoSáinz Not if it contains anything similar to what chrome stores

Anonymous

so firefox won't do jack shit for it, so i just grep'd them and going through them manually

allquixotic

oh wait, i'm supposed to troll like those made-up papers

Anonymous

10:12 PM

@DarthAndroid it contains tab history,

allquixotic

go into the registry and delete every key related to "Microsoft" and your bookmarks will return

Anonymous

cached html of open tab

Anonymous

and open tab url

Anonymous

i had like 120+ tabs open

Darth Android

Chrome stores the url of open tabs, the history of each tab, form field data for each tab, cached html for each tab

Anonymous

10:13 PM

@allquixotic sure brb

Anonymous

@DarthAndroid then we are the same :)

Darth Android

Chrome's holding up 777KB for current session and 284KB for current tabs with 22 tabs open

LOL @ "Network Action Predictor" being 16.4MB though

I'm actually curious what the hit/miss ratio is for network prediction now

allquixotic

last night, i had a dream that work gave everyone 14" laptops to replace our full ATX workstations with double the RAM (8 GB) and Core i5 Haswells, with an SSD, and support for 3 external monitors

then i woke up and i almost cried because the dream was so realistic

Anonymous

@allquixotic laptops? no thanks keep your overheating

allquixotic

an IGP doesn't overheat

Bob

10:21 PM

@PatoSáinz currently over 600 tabs open, 11 MB

Anonymous

alright and an IGP supports three external monitors

Anonymous

sure

allquixotic

actually, every Intel IGP since Ivy Bridge has supported three external monitors

Anonymous

o_O

Anonymous

that's news to me

Bob

10:22 PM

@DarthAndroid Sure that's kB and not MB?

allquixotic

the question has been whether the connectors are there on the laptop for it -- typically you'd have to get some kind of displayport hub

Anonymous

finally, i'm done with restoring firefox tabs

Bob

@DarthAndroid where are you getting these measurements?

Anonymous

Currently, I've got 94 tabs open

Anonymous

in Two Windows

Bob

10:24 PM

I just launched Chrome, single tab (no restored session), Google's login page... its own task manager says the browser is taking 54 MB of PWS and the single tab is taking 23 MB of PWS.

allquixotic

Chrome is good at measuring itself, but it takes many MBs of RAM just to measure itself :)

Michael Frank

@allquixotic Docking station/port replicator?

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank the dream...

Michael Frank

@allquixotic It sounded like an amazing dream. :P

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank sadly, it'll be just a dream, until maybe 2020, when they might consider upgrading us to something a little more modern

nah, i doubt it

give it til 2025

Darth Android

10:30 PM

@Bob C:\Users\myuser\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default, looking at Current Tabs, Current Session, and Network Action Predictor files.

(Network Actions Predictor just for the Lulz )

Bob

@DarthAndroid Oh, you're taking about the file sizes.

I thought you meant memory usage.

Darth Android

Nah, I figured we were talking about the session files on disk for restoring sessions

Bob

@allquixotic I get the joy of actually using PhantomJS at work... :S

allquixotic

@Bob let me know if you need anything ;p

Anonymous

10:41 PM

TIL how electronics abstractions work

Bob

@allquixotic Heh, thanks, but I'm more likely to have problems with the requirement for Maven :P

I can just tell this is going to be fun...

Canadian Luke

11:36 PM

@OliverSalzburg I REALLY like that program you suggested...

gparyani

11:53 PM

Why was this meta-question downvoted twice?

-2

Q: How can a decline message end up on a disputed flag?

I noticed this in my flag history recently: As you can see, my flag is disputed with a decline message. Did a 10k user put it there when flagging it as invalid, did a moderator dispute it, or did another user dispute it at the same time as another moderator declined it? Related: http://m...

@NickCraver Do you know why this happens? meta.superuser.com/questions/7684/…

How about you, @OliverSalzburg?

How about this?

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Normally, on a per-site meta, the suggested edit button is grayed out with a message that says that suggested edits are not permitted on meta sites: However, when manually typing the URL to suggest an edit, the message does not match: As you can see, the messages are different. The one on t...

support bug suggested-edits meta

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