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3:00 PM
Haha, crap. I just wrote an e-mail to a colleague…
> Do you want to meet at 08:30 at my place so we have a little bit of a butter?
 
Note to self, don't eat while writing mails.
 
lol
 
Bob
@slhck Uhm... what was that supposed to say? :P
 
@Bob s/t/f/g
 
3:02 PM
@slhck I regularly meet colleagues at my house to eat butter with them
it's normal
 
I know, I shouldn't be ashamed right?
 
Bob
> Do you wanf fo meef af 08:30 af my place so we can have a liffle bif of a buffer?
???
 
rofl
 
@Bob Haha, yeah, that's what it sounds like when I eat while reading out the mail aloud.
 
I think he meant s/butter/buffer/
 
3:04 PM
I think Bob knew exactly what I meant :P
 
Bob
lol
 
he was being literal, as usual.
 
Bob
Actually, I only guessed the meaning halfway through.
And I still don't know what "having a buffer" means...
 
@Bob if you meet someone someplace early (ahead of a deadline for e.g. a meeting), it's called giving you a "buffer of time" to get to where you need to be
like youtube buffering but on the order of 15-30 minutes usually
 
Bob
Ohhhh that buffer.
facepalm
Don't mind me, it's just 1 AM.
 
3:06 PM
Precisely
 
I wonder what Postcisely would mean O_O
it's funny trying to squeeze the general meaning of the prefix post- into the meaning of the word precisely
 
It's not a "pre" as in "before".
 
I know...
but it tickles my linguistic center in my brain to think of it
 
Bob
I don't... what...
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A: How to change location of hibernation file in Windows 7?

HaroldAs Always, there is knowledge and "sub"knowledge. Quote It was written back in the days of Windows NT. Unquote I am dealing with software problems since 1974 and in those days learned to program in Assembler. So please dont tell us its impossible to "teach" bootloader to look for another address...

He has no clue.
 
@Bob ROFL
you know, there are a lot of old people who really think that way, and think they're right
 
Bob
3:09 PM
-_-
 
I don't think that's a troll or spam
that's a person who actually has conviction in the words he put down
 
Bob
Good lord.
 
(as crazy as that seems)
 
Bob
I wouldn't want him near any system I use.
 
lol
actually remines me of psychogeek ;p
 
3:11 PM
if you need an example of someone who thinks like that, just google SpectateSwamp -- he has this VBScript program that's about 40,000 lines long with tons of commented out code (his style of "version control") with dates and really useless comments and Win32 API functions copy-pasta'ed from forums, and the actual functionality of the software isn't even close to being anything a sane person would want to use
 
and he always argues with people on forums about how his program is the best thing ever
 
lol
@somequixotic: like patrick?
 
people have concluded that he's not an intentional troll, but he suffers from some type of cognitive dissonance
@JourneymanGeek I don't get the reference
 
@somequixotic: the serva guy?
 
Bob
3:13 PM
I wonder just how much of the original 90s NT kernel code is still used verbatim.
 
@JourneymanGeek you lost me
 
@somequixotic: guy writes software called serva
keeps posting answers pointing at that
 
Bob
@somequixotic So... what's it supposed to do? Apart from eating 8 GB of RAM and scorching your CPU, anyway.
 
was warned, repeatedly, got suspended, goes ballestic on us
 
@Bob some people close to the Windows Team have stated that, following the release of Windows Server 2003 codebase (also XP x64), there was a near total re-write of the whole Windows System, including the kernel and userspace... they had to keep API compatibility, but they also added a bunch of new APIs, and re-architected the internals to modernize everything
 
Bob
3:14 PM
@JourneymanGeek Oh, the one who hopped into chat to have a massive rant?
Wasn't he suspended on Server Fault/Stack Overflow and not Super User, anyway?
 
@Bob it's supposed to be a search program, but you have to put all your text in a single file.... :P
 
Bob
@somequixotic That's what I expected.
 
@somequixotic: yeah
lol, but same idea
 
Bob
@somequixotic Uhm. So... uhh...
wat.
 
I mean for the cognitive dissonance.
 
Bob
3:15 PM
How the fuck do you bloat a search program to 40k SLOC?
 
@Bob he also has this fascination with video recordings, and evidently the way that he prefers to organize his information, instead of having those messy files and folders, is to record video of him reading websites and documents, and play back that video and fast forward and rewind.
 
you want some sauce with your spegetti code? ;p
 
"I want to store something, but I hate bookmarks and files!"
 
@somequixotic: dear hell no
 
3:16 PM
solution: use a video camera and literally record scrolling through the websites.
 
/me needs a wiki again
tho
...whut?
 
Bob
@somequixotic Following? Sounds about right. Vista => massive kernel changes => may as well rewrite...
 
@somequixotic: at least he dosen't print them out, put them on a wooden table and photograph them
@Bob: at the very least, they rewrote the network code
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Nah. He used a film camera and plays it back as a slideshow.
 
@Bob right -- meaning, XP x64 and Server 2003 were the last releases of the "old" generation of NT, which derived in large part from NT 4.0 -> 2000 -> XP 32
Server 2003 / XP 64 was still a hack / patch / evolution of the old line, and the product that ultimately became Vista was, for all intents and purposes, a re-write
 
Bob
3:18 PM
Hm.
 
I need to see if school has older versions of NT when I get access to dreamspark again ;p
 
Bob
Actually. See this [deleted] answer on the same question?
 
ever since the Vista Platform Upgrade, the core of Windows really hasn't changed all that drastically except for the graphics subsystem
 
Bob
This guy sounds eerily similar.
@JourneymanGeek Dreamspark has that? o.O
 
oh and the bootloader, to support UEFI
I think Dreamspark only carries supported versions of Windows Server, so that'd be 2003 and up
 
Bob
3:19 PM
@somequixotic UEFI has been supported since Vista... I think.
 
oh :P
 
Bob
@somequixotic I should probably grab a copy, then. What's the support period, anyway?
 
I don't remember ;p
 
@Bob you can look it up, but since Windows Server 2003 is (1) a server operating system rather than desktop, and (2) released considerably after Windows XP RTM, it's probably good until 2016 or so would be my guess
 
Bob
Hm. Apparently 2015.
 
3:20 PM
close
 
Bob
That's for 2003 R2
The original one is the same: support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/…
Only a little over a year after XP.
 
2003 R2 was basically a feature-laden service pack on top of the original, not anything to do with the Vista re-write though
 
Bob
I was actually expecting longer.
 
there were actually two full development iterations of Longhorn at MSFT, which is why it took so long to get Vista out the door
 
yeah
I remember that
 
3:21 PM
the first one was an attempt to retrofit the old NT 4 codebase to support all the new feature targets for Vista / Server 2008
 
and the second one was slightly rushed
 
the second one was "ah, screw it, let's start over"
 
Bob
@somequixotic shudder
 
they ended up shipping the second one, but the RTM version of it was awful
Vista didn't become respectable in my eyes until after the Platform Upgrade and SP2
honestly, the biggest changes under the hood since Windows 2003 have been in the operating system security domain
Mandatory Integrity Control implementation, UAC, etc
no wonder that required a re-write; that's bloody complex
 
ooh
they have proper instructions for setting up discourse now
 
3:25 PM
maybe we should set up Discourse on my SU container :P
the one that hosts Cavil
it's Debian Stable x86_64
 
it's a container with no resource constraints
 
tamandua should have all that
o0
 
the host OS has 32 GB of RAM with over 16 GB free (just disk cache)
 
Bob
2 GB... O.o
 
3:26 PM
yeah, but that should handle anything you throw at it ;p
 
wait, does Discourse even run on Linux? or is it some IIS abomination... this is Jeff Atwood we're talking about
 
"1 GB of memory, 3 GB of swap and a single core CPU are the minimums for a steady state, running Discourse forum – but it's simpler to just throw a bit more hardware at the problem if you can, particularly during the install."
linux
they suggest postgres and nginx, and its written on rails
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it requires Windows Server 2012 to run, and some IIS Super Quantum Entanglement Background Streaming Helper CAL for $15,000 per website visitor
 
oh nice, I stand corrected
 
Bob
3:27 PM
@somequixotic That guide mentions Ruby.
 
nope ;p
 
Atwood has always been a Windows guy :P
 
yeah
He wanted to do things differently, and his co-conspirator was a ruby guy
 
good for him!
I actually like Ruby more than I used to these days, because Ruby 2.0 eased many of my objections with the language and runtime, and we're using Ruby in-house for some things now
I certainly prefer it over Python. by a mile.
 
Bob
3:28 PM
@JourneymanGeek Though, there goes my half-formed plans of playing with it on a cheap VPS :P
 
Bob
Hm. Actually.
 
@Bob play with it on the Cavil server! don't worry if it eats up a few gigs of RAM
 
@Bob : I suppose ;p
 
you have my permission
 
Bob
3:29 PM
The 2GB one from here might work o.O
@somequixotic Too scared of breaking other things :P
Though... I already have Postgres running on a different server. Might be able to save some memory by offloading the DB.
 
@Bob aw, don't worry about it. you can't really break it unless you deliberately attempt to hack it and break OpenVZ to get to the physical OS
the stuff I actually want to work is in a separate container
 
Bob
lol
 
and that SU container isn't running any database, but you could install one
I think you can sudo bash without a password with the login I gave you
 
@somequixotic: its not all that different from my ttrss vm, other than ngnix ;p
 
what's ttrss?
 
3:33 PM
rss feed reader
 
Bob
@somequixotic RSS reader...
tiny tiny?
 
I got fed up with every external service I was using closing down
 
Bob
the tiny?
I forgot.
 
so i run my own
tiny tiny
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek lol
 
3:33 PM
seriously
google reader, then the old reader went private
waut
The old reader went public again
WTF
they never bothered to tell me ;p
sticking with my ttrss instance tho
 
I imagine you would spontaneously combust into a runaway antimatter reaction if I told you you could run ttrss on my box, and then closed down my box
so I won't offer because I don't want to face the wrath of The Journeyman Geek Who Has Had His RSS Service Closed Down 9001 Times
 
> Of course, we went on to build Stack Overflow in Microsoft .NET. That's a big reason it's still as fast as it is.
hard to tell if serious -- 99% of on meta.SO / meta.SU are "due to performance considerations", not because it's a bad idea
 
Bob
@somequixotic Though, probably just a convenient excuse.
At least VS works. Eclipse, on the other hand... NO
 
3:57 PM
@Bob huh? Eclipse works. maybe not for Ruby or Pascal, but it works very well for Java, C, C++
 
Bob
@somequixotic Eh, I've wasted far too much time fighting with it trying to get it to deploy a webapp to tomcat.
 

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