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10:00 PM
@Tanner I take the bus. I can very much leave without my keys, and end up in much more trouble. xD
 
Bob
One way is to get a lanyard and keep it around your neck
 
@Ariane hahahaha yeah bad plan then.
 
Or get one of those USB keys that gets implanted in your... well you basically sit up next to the computer, pick up the keyboard, put it in your lap, and mouse on the desk with your right hand. >_>
 
Files starting with a dot are usually ignored in unices.
 
@Hennes Windows here.
 
10:01 PM
Try ls from the command line and `ls -a' (list All)
Hmm, now that gets interesting.
Maybe some 8.3 legacy naming in search were the name is considered empty? No real idea
 
while I'm writing C using the Win32 API, I might as well wr-- er, no, I haven't even finished romajify (did make a bit of progress but got stuck XD)
 
In unix I would just have told you to find /path/to/folder -name "._*" -delete
No idea how windows handles it
 
@Hennes give her a copy of bash or busybox and essential files from cygwin? :D
 
Bob
@Hennes for /f with dir and shell globbing :P
 
Solves for finding and or deleting. But not for 'fixing' windows search
 
10:03 PM
cmd shell globbing............ no. please no
 
@Hennes I got a command line instruction from Bob that would delete all of those already, but I'd like to fix my search instead, because I run in such issues often. If I search for a short thing, part of a word, tons of things... it doesn't yield results.
 
I'll pay if you don't talk about cmd file globbing in here
/me takes out his wallet
@Ariane can't really fix search; it sucks :)
and it's proprietary, so it is what it is
 
Bob
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Search is the only thing I like from Mac OS, I think.
Tons of parameters to play with, and it FINDS. All the time. :/
 
Bob
Overriding `Microsoft.VisualBasic.Logging.FileLogTraceListener` to always prepend a timestamp
 
10:05 PM
I wonder why Microsoft hasn't realized already that there's a lot of things wrong with the search. the quick search on the start screen is great, but if "++" doesn't find Notepad++... That's sad.
 
Bob
since the original code appends the timestamp (???)
 
@allquixotic So I have no choice but to go with a hard drive? What is it that would be very sturdy and portable? And does it exist, an external hard drive that doesn't use a cord, so I can more easily carry it around in my purse?
 
Bob
but of course the method i need to override accesses private variables I can't access in a derived class. so, I disassemble the original code, modify that and stick that in :P
also, @allquixotic, why are you messing with Outlook?
why not directly send mail via SMTP?
 
@Bob no SMTP allowed
 
Ariane: how much storage do you need to carry around?
 
Bob
10:08 PM
..Exchange?
 
@Ariane 2.5" external HDDs (laptop form factor, speed, and size) exist without a power cord
@Bob sure :) just find me a library that can send a message through exchange using the currently authenticated windows user's account credentials without prompting for a password (it has to be non-interactive)
 
@Hennes 32 GB would be a big minimum, but while I'm at it, I might as well get an external HDD that makes backups and transportation of larger things easier.
 
Bob
also, I believe the reason flash drives are normally much slower than SSDs is they tend to have one large flash chip rather than a lot in parallel..?
 
@allquixotic I mean, without a USB cord too. Like, a "hard drive USB key" or something.
 
@Ariane oh. no idea. the disk is probably too heavy to just hang from the slot in the computer
 
10:09 PM
bob: aye. true for most of them
 
it'd break off
 
Bob
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Lots of speed differences though.
I got a 512MB drive which is Read:5MB/sec, write 3MB/sec.
And a corvair survivor (4GB) which is about 30MB/sec read and 20MB/sec write
and a throttle drive which is 90MB/sec read, 30MB/sec write
So USB flashdrives is not about speed, but about easy to use
HDDs are another case, but I would not want to carry them day in day out. Not without having good backups (and NOT on that drive)
 
So HDDs that are really sturdy and safe don,t really exist?
 
Bob
well, moving parts and all...
most will survive minor drops when not powered up
but the heads are quite easy to knock out of alignment (even when parked)
 
10:14 PM
Aye. And if you have an old 80 GB drive which is not sensible to use otherwise... go for it
 
Bob
I mean, you could *probably* get away with dropping it onto a softish surface from maybe head height
 
How often ?
 
@Ariane you want huge capacity, you want super fast, you want no cords, you want extreme ruggedness... you're placing enormous constraints on what's even possible here, let alone affordable
 
And what if it is powered up and somebody pushes it off the table ?
 
Bob
@allquixotic certainly possible.. there's a couple of portable SSDs floating around?
 
10:15 PM
Aye. I can match that. USB2/3/eSATA and SSD. Technically possible. Not affordable
 
Mate you need a large flash drive or a cheap SSD
 
Bob
@Hennes with a short cable it's likely to disconnect first
 
Aye, but a disk will take some time to spin down and park its heads.
 
Bob
that seems t obe near instantaneous
 
Hell go buy a 64gig SD card and a usb adapter. problem solved
 
Bob
10:15 PM
at least compared to the time it takes to fall even half a metre
 
@allquixotic Not super fast, just not super slow. And not huge capacity, just not small capacity.
 
microelectronics of any sort are going to be vulnerable to things happening, and the only way to deal with it properly is having RL contingencies, like backing up your data, and being careful. if you're reckless and always losing things and dropping them and bombarding them with magnets, you can expect problems
 
@user SD cards are the very easiest to forget everywhere, and my PC doesn't even have a reader. A pain.
 
Bob
@user88311... that could work
there's SD cards that go up to, what, 40MB/s write?
 
Why I said get the usb adapter
 
Bob
10:16 PM
assuming you can find a USB card reader that supports that protocol
 
Yep, I have 1
 
Bob, depends on the drives. Between 3sec and 10 sec is my experience
And no. SD cards will not do
 
Dealextreme has cheap ones that qork, if you want it here and now just drop local tech store
work*
 
Just as expensive as a cheap SSD, and no write leveling
 
I suppose you could physically chain (with a metal chain) a portable SSD to your waist... use a journalling filesystem and, worst case, you get up to leave without it, and it gets yanked out of the computer and you only lose a little data from not saving your work
 
10:17 PM
Lol. xD
 
Hennes I can get a 16 gig SD card for 20 bucks, it's not that expensive
 
I may not be THAT clumsy and forgetful. xD
 
the problem I see with the SD card option is that they are extremely fragile when exposed to the environment, and few card readers have a proper enclosure that will protect it in any way
most of them just have the SD card sticking out partially from the slot, and you can break that accidentally with your palm if it's on your desk
 
You can get flash drives that are just as big as a small HDD as well, but they do cost about half a SSD
 
Notepad++! y u no unfreeze?!?
 
10:19 PM
"@Hennes 32 GB would be a big minimum," So lets compare 32GB SD cards and speeds
 
Didn't scroll up just came back to chat
32 gig, if a flash drive, you're looking a minumum of 25-30 bucks
 
But no. I don,t want an SD card. It,s more complicated than a USB key, not to mention I'd need to get an adapter and it's the very easiest to lose.
 
SD cards, depends on type
range from 40-150
 
For reference, and OZC vertex SSD (120GB is Eur 70)
And a samsung 470 series (64GB) is Eur 45
 
Then buy a large flash drive, it's roughly 10-15 bucks for every 16 gigs
 
10:21 PM
she wants something as light as a feather, as durable as an airplane black box, as fast as a desktop SSD and as capacious as an enterprise SAN. all for $100. I see no problem whatsoever with any of this. Just build a time machine and set it for the year 2300, and bring one back.
(I was being facetious about the extreme requirements btw)
 
Then flash drive it is
 
Bob
@Hennes Well, I can hear the 'click' of the heads parking almost as soon as power is lost
platters take a little more time to spin down
but the main risk is the heads
 
Then you got a nice modern drive.
 
@allqui You're exaggerating. :/
 
Agreed on main risk
 
10:22 PM
@Bob ever use a DynaBee? I once yanked a spinning HDD out of an eSATA slot on my computer, and started rotating it in my hand to turn it upside down, and felt angular momentum from the spinning platters for about 10 seconds
 
Aye, been there. Not good to move it that fast
And it is worse for 3.5 inch drives
 
Here's your other option, buy something like a seagate goflex with a short cord, tape the cord to the drive so it doesn't come up, you can practically hang it from the USB port
out* not up
 
I never used USB media even when I did use a computer lab at a university, because I would have everything on the cloud... and this was back in 2003
well, "the cloud" was my dedicated server back then, but same notion
 
Aye.
Most of my data is on my own server(s)
Just copy over what is needed.
 
@user I think if it's with a cord, it means it'll be bad for the USB slot if it hangs from it.
 
10:25 PM
And put only the working data on a 512MB pen drive
@Ariane Aye
 
Ariane, the point being if you nock it off the desk it wont hit the ground
 
If you are going to plug and unplug a lot, get a USB extension cable.
 
it's generally going to reduce the lifespan of any USB attached component if there is a constant force being applied to the USB connector after it's plugged in
 
The cable might die, but it is cheaper and easier to replace
 
@Hennes Why?
 
10:28 PM
anyone have any idea why my EnumWindows call isn't finding the Desktop Window (windowclass #32769)?
 
(Gosh, they only make huge HDDs nowadays. I thought a 250-GB one would be enough, so I would save money, but nope, 500 GB is the bare minimum. xD)
 
Ariane: A cost efficient HDD is Eur 90 (or similar in Ca $)
Always has been
Just the size which changes.
for 90% of the pricne your get 3/4 of capacity.
etc etc
 
@Hennes Your dollar is 1.55 of the CA
So add 50%
 
My dollar ?
But yea, I get the point
 
I presume you're in the UK
 
10:30 PM
But it has been like that since a decade. Smaller and cheaper stuff has insufficient margin for shops to stock
 
One euro is about 1.25 CA$ these days I think.
 
Netherlands, so close
 
No it's not, I just bought a psu with CA dollars
it came from the UK
price was 35, cost me 60
 
UK = Sterling pounds, not euros.
 
Right
Don't do much over seas shopping
 
10:32 PM
Neither do I. I have no idea how much the US euro is worth. :)
 
US euro?
 
Because user called the sterling pound "their dollar".
 
See smiley.
 
ah
lol
 
Corsair only makes awful-looking USB keys.
 
10:35 PM
I rather like the survivor. Ignore of the marketing bulshit about water resitance.
But the metal case still is sturdy and I can stuff it in a bag and just forget about it
 
I think it's the worst-looking. XD
 
Holy crap hen
 
And it helped that it was on-sale. So cheaper, faster and larger then the main branded pen drives in the same store
 
That thing makes 5 of my flash drives
 
I had smaller drives. But I lost both of the smallest ones
Smaller is in smaller size. (Data capacity was actually the same)
 
10:37 PM
I don't mind size. The metal finish and flashlight design is the problem. xD
 
Many people seem to agree with you. Hence they were on-sale
 
Haha.
Say. Why do modern products still have USB 2 if USB 3 is backwards compatible?
 
Because USB2 is cheaper to make
Most laptops used to come with USB 1 and USB 2
the USB 1 connector (2 of them) would be wired to the laptops keyboard and trackpad
 
^^' Awful.
 
No need to get fancy for those. Just use simpler and cheaper stuff
 
10:43 PM
less integrated circuitry drives down costs
more recent protocols require more complexity
 
Works fine unless someone starts to type a few hundred words per minutes
(words, not letters)
 
the only time you don't see that is when selling a "bundled" product (things users don't necessarily want, but may lead to product choices in their favor)
for example, Intel greatly increases the complexity of their CPUs by putting a GPU on-die, but they do that to kill AMD and Nvidia
 
Would be pretty bad if they ended up with CPU and GPU monopoly. XD
 
Bob
my laptop does something funny
I believe the touchpad and keyboard are internally wired through PS/2
 
They may be.
 
Bob
10:49 PM
in any case, for some reason, when I start typing I can't use the touchpad. if I'm currently dragging something and hit a key (e.g. alt+tab), it stops dragging
:S
 
This might be a poorly thought-out feature so people can't accidentally use the touchpad when typing.
 
Internal wiring via PS2 would be nice. That would work even if the USB drivers stopped (e.g. during a kernel panic and debugging)
 
Still use a ps2 keyboard and mouse for a reason
 
Heh. I would plug mine there if they were compatible with my PS/2 adapters, but they're not. :p
Say, with an external hard drive, what's best? Plastic case so it's somewhat softer and absorbs shocks, or aluminium case so it's hard?
 
Bob
@Hennes funnily enough, I had some issues with the PS/2 drivers HP supplied
 
10:58 PM
Depends on the material ariane
 
But isn,t that what I'm asking? Which material is best?
 
certain plastics and metals absorb energy just as well as the other
All depends how the plastic is made, what's mixed with it, same for metals
 
Breaks his head. Why isn't nc -l -p 1234 > file working?
 
...Okay.
 
if you really want it to be safe,buy a bubble mailer, cut a hole in it for the cable and seal the drive inside
 
11:00 PM
ah, -l implies -p so -p is not allowed. Silly inconsistent stuff
 
Sigh. So much for portability.
 
Honestly, the best solution, isn't always the most professional approach
If it's in a bubble mailer it's only going to be a inch to 2 inches l/w and half a inch h
And I don't think anybody will care if you have what looks like unopened mail with a cord sticking out of it on your desk
 
Interface: USB 3.0/2.0. What does this mean?
 
...........
 
@user No, no bubble stuff.
 
11:04 PM
Ok this is the point where I go make supper
 
All right...
 
On hold for half an hour. Normally I wouldn't mind but WTF IS THIS UNHOLY MUSIC. O_O
 
Hmm, how hot does the drive get? 2.5 inch drives usually do not get all that hot but if you wrap them in insulating plastic things might get interesting
 
11:31 PM
Valid point
But if you cut out various bubbles, it would provide air flow while the protection is reduced some it's still there
 
Just cut it with silly things. xD
 
If I was being silly I wouldn't be typing it
 
In any case, I'm definitely not interested. Anyway.

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(The microSD card is for listening to music on my phone, and the reader is because my computer and a lot of computers on which I might want to put stuff that's on the SD card don't have a reader.)
 
The mypassport seems standard.
No reviews found on the SD card or the reader
For the reader it matters if you get a good one.
Some USB/SDreader seem to top out at 14MB/ec. Some at 20MB/sec.
 
11:47 PM
I wouldn't spend less than 15 on the reader
 
The difference might seem small, but for a CD (700MB) that is the difference between 50 seconds or 35 seconds.
@user88311 Yes and no. There are also some pricy yet bad onces out there
 
Well, I got the best rated one that had a practical shape. o:
 
True but on a average it's best not to spend less than 15
 
And @Hennes, there are many reviews directly on Newegg.
 
It used to be so easy to find reviews. These days every webshop has a 'review' option.
Ah, but who writes them?
I suspect 90% of them are from marketing firms.
 
11:49 PM
Indeed
 
Write good ones for your own, write bad ones for other firms
There is a rather large industry out there just for that goal
 
Why I buy what I know works or or go by reviews of people I know
 
"Checkmark" Verified owner means someone bought it from Newegg and then used the website to make a review.
 
59 bucks for 499 made by the reviews
 
?
 
11:51 PM
Firm spends 60 bucks buying the stuff, makes 500 for the reviews it writes
 
I personally trust Newegg reviews.
 
Have you ever noticed it's just 7-8 of us that ever actually chat in here
 
I do not know Newegg. Foreign shop with high shipping prices to the mainland. :)
But I totally distrust review where anyone can review an item
Maybe I am sceptical, but I just assume 99% of those are faked
 
Only buyers can review and get the green checkmark, at least.
 
Can you put the drive in a safe lego enclosure?
Like this
user image
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11:57 PM
Hennes
however stupid that sounded to me at first
That's actually quite the idea
ability to resize it to fit anything, compactible and expandable
 
It might look to cute and increase theft risk
 
Well if you're somebody with the time to make it, you could make working locks out of lego so theft could be cut down some
Please tell me you don't actually use that though
 
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