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3:00 PM
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, that's a good idea. I actually have read that some years ago where someone made several folders, with in your case could be something like: Inbox (kinda like my Downloads folder), Temporary, Staging, Current, Archive, External, Thrash
Literally allows a file to flow through the folders.
 
@TomWijsman: basically seperate out organised and unorganised files
yeah
Or with school
its say ICT248/project1/TITLEdraft1.doc
and i'd have a folder labelled SOURCES with a text file with links, and references saved there
 
See something in the wrong folder? Easy to drag it to the right location.
 
yup
I haven't quite gotten around to doing it for movies
 
I now have my personal stuff on a separate drive.
 
especially since i watch and delete those a lot
 
3:03 PM
So it's like P:\...
 
@TomWijsman: In an ideal world, i'd have a seperate partition for each ;p
 
Or \Personal\ (junction point on C: to P: :P)
 
if one process spawns another one, so that newly created process is called child process, is it right?
 
I also LOVE long descriptive filenames
@Templar yes
which work well with search
 
3:04 PM
@TomWijsman Any reason for protecting this?
 
And it's sub folders are like Archive/Backup/Books/Cache/Databases/Documents/Downloads/External/Games/Music/Pi‌​ctures/Scripts/University/Virtualization/Videos.
 
@Templar Right.
 
@slhck I think I confused both questions at some point (chaotic moment because I was busy on SO as well as reading through the paper), but it would fit to both questions I think: Just to avoid people that found the question through Google to tell us how their directories look like.
Seems I can't self protect my question, meh...
 
lol
whats the point of protecting it if you want it reopened?
 
@JourneymanGeek protecting != locking... (cc @slhck)
 
3:16 PM
oh right
what if a low rep user knows the answer? ;p
 
@TomWijsman Yeah, I just don't see the reason for protecting a question that doesn't even have any answers deleted.
So it's not like you have evidence that it's a spam or trash magnet.
And you can always flag these for removal.
@JourneymanGeek … exactly that!
 
@slhck I could similarly say: I don't see a reason for closing a question which hasn't yet yielded any subjective or off-topic answers. So it's not like there was evidence that it's subjective / off-topic. And I flagged the current answer to my question but they decided not to remove it.
 
also
no protection options seems to be there for me either
 
@TomWijsman Hm, you do have a point. But that's a principal issue I guess.
 
@slhck And that's why explanation of a close reason is important, which I'm yet to see from Sathya.
I've explained my protection, people are free to disagree with that and ask it to be unprotected...
(But well, unprotect votes are missing)
But putting my old question aside, @slhck, what do you think about the new one?
My thought is that it's on-topic on SU (personal files and folders, we have tags for it [and I even looked further than using [file] or [folder]), off-topic for Skeptics (I see no point in when I use 99.9% time SU to ask the most constructive / useful questions on Skeptics) and off-topic for Computer Science (the FAQ requires mathematically based question).
In fact, I would actually expect to see my questions to be less computer specific or perhaps even closed for some odd reason (I don't know Skeptics.SE enough for that).
 
3:27 PM
@TomWijsman I still have to actually read it, sorry :P Just got home from vacation.
 
@slhck Welcome back. :)
If you want the essence of it "I'm either looking for a meta consensus regarding the close reason (which mentions try Skeptics.SE) or for people to help reopen it"
I'm going to eat and finally read further through the second part of the paper.
 
3:53 PM
@TomWijsman Well, I have to say, you're restricting yourself way too much with the whole "scientific" thing. That won't work on SU. You're gonna be spending most of the time explaining what is not an answer. Be honest: How often have you seen "scientifically" backed up posts here?
I'm leaving this for others to decide. I probably wouldn't have voted to close it.
 
@JourneymanGeek VLC has an extension for movie subs
 
4:18 PM
@slhck Well, it's either that or not constructive...
If you see a way to do it in between, feel free to share, but I kinda feel it's pointless trying to do that. :/
It's not on-topic on Skeptics.SE (only for previous claims) or CSTheory.SE (only for mathematical) so I don't see where else to put it...
I could cross post it on both and see what happens just to make my point clear.
> First, subfolders are created gradually, in a bottom-up manner, as users observe that many of their files relate to the same topic (Jones, Phuwanartnurak, Gill, & Bruce, 2005) in 3.2).
> However after these new subfolders are created, users may neglect to relocate older files into the relevant subfolders, both because this requires extra work and because these files are obsolete and therefore less likely to be retrieved. However, failing to remove older files is not adaptive because they compete for the users' attention and increase retrieval time.
> A second explanation is that users deliberately insert such target files in a higher hierarchical level because they assume that they are likely to be retrieved often. This is an adaptive behavior, because we found that files at higher levels of the hierarchy are retrieved faster and retrievals tend to be more successful (see the results of questions 3.1 and 3.3).
Interesting that users move files higher up because their organization is bogus, actually allowing them for faster access as opposed to more efficiently located (in terms of finding relevant stuff). Sometimes a file doesn't need to be in a more specific folder, especially if you're not going to have much other files that are relevant to (or in the context off) that file.
 
4:53 PM
Eh well, asked it on Productivity as per Random's suggestion on my meta question. If it doesn't fit there I'll try Skeptics and CS Theory as well. If that doesn't help I'll ask Meta.SO...
As a more present user there I would feel fine to ask questions like this there instead, they would be about productivity (one of my main interests/hobbies on computer, alongside performance / debugging / troubleshooting / ...) anyway.
 
5:06 PM
@DanielBeck: Heh, interesting part of the paper:
cc @JourneymanGeek:
> Papers written over two decades suggested three such directions for alternative solutions: (a) Multiple Classification allowing users to assign the information item to more than one category (e.g. tagging) (Lansdale, 1988; Malone, 1983);
> (b) Automatic Classification, which spares the user from having to manually classify the information (e.g., applying a predominant default classification parameter such as time) (Malone, 1983); and (c) Search, using any attribute that the user happens to remember about it, thus avoiding classification altogether (Lansdale, 1988).
I don't feel like tagging would work (equivalent to providing all metadata), one would simply would miss out on things.
The second one is the first one automated, for music that works well but I don't see that directly working for everything.
And searching depends on the two others again, as well as a proper structure OR proper file names OR proper metadata.
So, the problem is actually not only to structure your data (using the advice from the paper) but as well to give it proper file names and proper meta data.
And then automating classification and searching it would make more sense, which I also have to find the best way for...
@HackToHell's belvedere is one option, dunno why it's CPU though so might (or might not) look into that.
> However, to date, there is no evidence that any of them is better than the existing hierarchical method. Our current results suggest that navigation is effective for active documents, providing an explanation for why users have not embraced search.
Hmm, that's what was said < 2 years ago. Quite interesting...
Which also supports the idea that "searching requires proper organization to give proper results".
Which is actually something Google is actively doing these days, "semantically mapping their data" to give better search results.
(FYI, I did a team presentation on that)
> Navigation in the physical environment has been the traditional way of finding items throughout millions of years of evolution (e.g., hunter-gatherers looking for food where they had previously stored it, or a dog digging for a bone where it hid it). As humans, we have well developed cognitive and neurological structures that support navigation in physical locations and these may be used for computer folder navigation as well.
Love this analogy. :D
> Retrieval Time = 4.956 + 2.236 * Depth + 0.106 * Size
Science $!@ç#, it works...
According to that formula, a user should have at most 21 items per target folder and should create a new level of navigation folders when he has more than that per target folder.
> 2.236 / 0.106 = 21.09
So, to summarize the optimal values: ~3 levels deep, ~10 subfolders per folder and ~21 items per target folder.
Anything lower than that and you spent more time searching on your screen, anything higher than that and you spent more time clicking through the results.
Also translatable to web sites: Every page should be accessible within three clicks, 20 items per page. Dunno what to translate the sub-folders to though, perhaps 10 things per menu (Super User seems to prefer 5 though, but I think < 10 isn't necessarily bad as it could just indicate not enough data as well)...
FYI, that is a Belgian police car and an ambulance as well as a more secure car too afterwards.
 
6:10 PM
@HackToHell: Hmm, I think I perhaps have an interesting idea: Make a program that lists all folders that are either to deep / have too much items / have too much sub folders.
The above formula 2.236 * Depth + 0.106 * Size somewhat helps sorting them too, by looking which one is the more dominant factor. I guess something like dividing depth by size and see whether it's higher/lower than 21.09...
 
@TomWijsman There's an information management program for OS X that uses classification. It works rather well, and I've used it for a while. Now with the SSD it might be time to try it again (it's rather heavy)...
 
Or just list those that have the highest percent difference from ~3 levels deep, ~10 subfolders per folder and ~21 items per target folder...
@DanielBeck: I think asksam.com
@DanielBeck: Relevant to your colors, the paper mentions:
> The demotion principle proposes that PIM systems should allow users to demote unimportant information items (making them less visually salient) so as to reduce distraction. Unlike deletion and archiving, demotion keeps items in their original context. We implemented this principle in a system called GrayArea (Bergman, Tucker, Beyth-Marom, Cutrell, & Whittaker, 2009) that allows users to demote files of low subjective importance by dragging them to a gray area at the bottom of the folder.
 
@TomWijsman Yeah, but color is more like highlighting the more important stuff. Even coloring gray is highlighting..
 
Light gray perhaps?
An alternative is suffixing them with a character that causes them to get sorted at the end.
> We also proposed other user-subjective designs (such as Old'nGray that automatically grays out old versions of files to distinguish them from the latest version) to address this accumulation of items of low subjective importance.
 
@TomWijsman No need, I have automatic versioning of files :)
 
6:24 PM
Hmm, I could perhaps handle my Downloads folder by making subfolders that kinda depend on the file type.
Executables / Installers / Setups into a folder. Pictures / Music / Videos into another map. Documents / PDFs / Presentations / ... into yet another map
 
@TomWijsman Doesn't Windows have search folders/"smart folders" for this?
 
What do you mean by that? The best I know about "smart" is iTunes "smart playlists"...
 
These are virtual folders based on a search expression. Similar to how Windows 7 Libraries contain everything in a set of real directories, these contain all files matching a search expression, e.g. (filetype=jpg||filetype=png)&&parentFolder=~/Downloads.
By default, there's e.g. Today, a folder containing all files accessed by the user today (and Yesterday, and This Week)
 
I don't think we have that... :/
 
Unfortunately, they're not available to the Unix layer. I really should try writing a FUSE extension for this...
I wonder whether this still works...
 
6:34 PM
Implementing these queries would probably also require proper indexing (on Windows). :/
 
@TomWijsman Isn't there?
I like Win+F quite a lot, the few times I've used it.
 
@DanielBeck I don't think there's a way to ask FAT32 or NTFS to give me all files that have certain properties...
@DanielBeck: Win+F is remapped to the Metro search functionality in Windows 8... :(
 
@TomWijsman I never had a problem that'd require this. I'm quite happy with searching only my user profile.
 
My file collection is suffering from Quantity instead of Quality these days... :(
 
@TomWijsman YAGNI. Press Del.
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6:49 PM
Deciding whether I need something or not is by itself a problem, @DanielBeck.
If it's more organized, I can more easily have my mind on that context which facilitates deletion.
Rather than "where does this setup come from, what is this image, ..."
Or "where to move it".
 
@TomWijsman I know. Several of my Devonthink document databases are absolute no-go zones. Dragons be there.
 
7:12 PM
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Q: Where can I set the default folder view?

Tom WijsmanI want to set all my files and folders in Windows to show as Extra large icons. It seems that Windows is saving this apart for each folder... Where can I tell my system to use the view type everywhere?

Best way to enforce 20 items maximally, make it harder to see more items than that... ^^
And even have a useful details pain where I can see metadata and even edit it!
And perhaps only switch to Details pane if I need to quickly see certain columns...
 
7:43 PM
Meh...
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Q: Which program is locking all my executable files?

Tom WijsmanWhen updating any software product, as well as manually trying to replace .exe files, it says that access is denied to the file and in fact the System process is holding a handle to the file when I check it with Process Explorer. This must be a driver or something that is malfunctioning was my f...

This is becoming much more annoying than I though, I simply cannot sort out my Downloads folder because of that. :S
 
7:58 PM
:D
 
8:18 PM
> ..., Taylor Swift is mapping out her movie career.
> I’ve been reading scripts for about five years— just kind of under the radar.
> I actually started out in theater. ... After a few years of auditioning in New York and not getting anything, I started writing songs.
> ... some part about her first love ... (interviewers seem a fan of that question, just to annoy her :P)
Perhaps you should put this as your avatar HTH, I actually wonder if Facebook can do animated avatars... :P
</T-Swizzle>
 
8:52 PM
@Sathya: Sorry for my bugging towards you, any follow-up will be aimed at other communities' metas (and not their moderators) / Meta.SO dependent on how the question progresses on Productivity.SE / CSTheory.SE / Skeptics.SE (only having one open question on SE at the same time, though). Hope you understand that trying to fit the question as much as possible in the scope of Super User (because I'm always here) has costed me some follow-up so I just don't let a close reason "lose" all my work.
Also consider that "not constructive" actually sent me the wrong message, simply because the first question was also off-topic as it's also about workflow...
Mistakes happen, so don't see my previous chat message as "pointing out a mistake" but rather as "if only I'd seen that / someone told me that / the system would be build to let me know", ...
I rest my case on Super User. And have read quite some interesting pages in the mean time that partially solve the problem for me, I'm going to hear (at a later point) in the blog room if writing a future blog post on it is an idea. Happy easter...
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9:38 PM
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Q: How to organize the home directory? How do you do it? Do you have any plans for future changes?

DeletedI'm sure there are lots of ways to do it, I'm seeking inspiration as I think it's time to re-organize my home directory structure. My current structure Here is my current structure: ~/dl-web ~/bittorrent ~/Desktop ~/PDF ~/work ~/school ~/free-time ~/photos ~/ <<the rest>> dl-web...

Can't believe that one has not been closed yet... :/
Heh, @DanielBeck, found an answer of you listing many other ones: superuser.com/a/235154/9666
Perhaps something useful might be in that list, should check it out later...
 
10:03 PM
sigh
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A: Which program is locking all my executable files?

Tom WijsmanThis was because I had disabled Application Exerience service, enabling it again fixes the problem! Figured it out by reading various Microsoft froum threads. True story...

 
10:24 PM
@TomWijsman Application experience?
 
Yeah, I thought that service was completely useless. :/
 
What does it even do?
 
Apparently solve my problem, guess it solves some common bugs or something, making things less locked than back in the days... :D
 
Tim
11:14 PM
Can someone help to verify if the file is downloadable by clicking "Скачать (djvu, 5.60 Mb)" at bookfi.org/book/756774?
The message I get is "The page you are looking for is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later. " I am connecting from U.S..
 
> The page you are looking for is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later.
 
Tim
Thanks, Tom!
Are you also connecting form U.S.?
 
Indeed, same here from North Antwerp, Belgium, Europe
 
Tim
By the way, that site is the best one that I know to download ebooks from.
at least when it worked. Not sure if it will still be working. sigh
don't know where I can go now.
 
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