Home Improvement - 2012-09-07

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1:04 AM

@BMitch let's see, is that 25 pin LPT null modem, LPT -> 9 pin com, com -> PS2, PS2 -> USB?

1:42 AM

@waxeagle not sure what the first one is, but you got the rest of them.

not my personal setup, I just thought it was funny for the techie crowd here. G+ post over here

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10:21 AM

@steven Welcome to the 10K club.

1 hour later…

11:37 AM

@TheEvilGreebo Why are you adding breaker values?

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A: How to determine the correct capacity for a sub-panel for a shop?

This is not an answer related to code but simply doing the layman's math. First off the Freezer should be on a dedicated circuit. Not because of any excessive amperage draw, but because if you fire up the table saw and the dust collector at the same time and it pops the breaker, you don't want ...

Go to your panel and add up all the breakers.

The Evil Greebo

Because if he adds up just what he's listed and puts in a 50A sub for a workshop its going to be too small :)

If you had a panel with 20 slots and all 15A breakers, you'd need 300A service?

The Evil Greebo

no - and this wasn't clear in my answer - but if you have a table saw, dust collector, and freezer running all together you're going to be too close to 50A for comfort

you know hes gonna put in other outlets too

still i need to clear that up

Whole houses are on 100A panels.

The Evil Greebo

yes, I know that

but they're not on 100A panels if their peak draw is going to be 120A

and they SHOULDN'T be on 100A panels if their peak draw is going to be 90A because there's no room for expansion

11:48 AM

I just don't see 3 appliances requiring 100A service.

The Evil Greebo

1 appliance, 1 power tool, and probably more to come cause its a workshop, and a blower fan which is somewhere in between appliance and power tool

So if I'm baking a cake in an electric stove, the furnace comes on while I'm drying my hair, I'm going to pop my main breaker?

The Evil Greebo

12:07 PM

Tester, stop asking leading questions. If I'm wrong, say so and say why.

But before you do, answer this

if you had a 50A main, and four different circuits on the same pole all drew 15A simultaneously, asking for 60A all at once - what would happen at the 50A?

@TheEvilGreebo If either leg in the panel draws more than the breaker capacity, the breaker will trip.

Think of it like this... If you take the 240V table saw out of the equation, you could have 14A table saw on one leg, 9A dust collection on the other, and 10A freezer on either. So one leg would have 14-24A, while the other has 9-19A.

The Evil Greebo

I don't know how the panel will be configured.

I know how it should be configured

You don't know how the panel will be configured either.

True enough. I am making assumptions.

The Evil Greebo

Now, different question - is there any danger in putting in a 100A sub panel?

Not that I can think of. As long as the feeder cable is properly sized.

The Evil Greebo

12:23 PM

Well then I stand by my (clarified) answer :D

I'm assuming too but what I'm assuming is, "This is very possibly a harry homeowner who needs to be given the safest possible answer and that means I'm going to give him a huge buffer zone safety wise in my explanations.

Cause if he knew BE&E he wouldn't have asked what he did, how he did, IMO. :)

"safest possible" within reason. I'm not gonna say put in 200A, obviously. ;)

I see your point (and I even upvoted your answer), but they are going to spend a fortune on feeder cable for a 100A sub panel.

The Evil Greebo

well if he hires an electrician instead of doing it himself he can avoid that cost... ;)

good grief I've been troubleshooting something with an email sender process wondering why i wasn't getting any emails since yesterday

I'm supposed to be bcc'd on everything in dev right now

only duh, the "enable auto bcc" flag was off

"I AM SO SMART! I AM SO SMART! S-M-R-T... I mean S-M-A-R-T!"

@TheEvilGreebo Agreed. Hire an Electrician, and let them sort it out.

I got a reply from the home inspectors re:

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The Evil Greebo

oh ya?

12:32 PM

"Unfortunately, we'll never know. We assumed they did this to prevent someone's head from getting bumped, like you suggested."

My email:

My contention is that the hat is there simply as padding, to prevent head injuries due to the unfortunate placement of the flue.

Another friend insists that this is a flue pipe, with a T in it, and the hat is there as a safety precaution, because as we all know, wool hats are the approved method of filtering CO out of exhaust.

The Evil Greebo

@ChrisCudmore lol

hrm

now I KNOW my email was in the send-to list and I still haven't gotten it :/

AHA

its being routed to a local folder!

I knew I was shooting myself in my foot somewhere

@Tester101 Table Saw is 20A on each leg. Dust collector on 1 for 9A, 10A freezer on the other leg, for 29 and 30 A per leg. Add 15 A on 1 leg for lights, and 15 A on the other for outlets, and we're at 45 A per leg. So a 60A sub should do the trick.

The Evil Greebo

1:29 PM

initializing semaphores in .net is counter intuitive

it requires at least two parameters - initial count and maximum count

but initial count isn't the count of threads free for use, its the count of threads to be in wait state

so new Semaphore(10,10) means 10 max threads, all available...

2:01 PM

@ChrisCudmore That's what I said.

The Evil Greebo

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Q: Are there any dangers to sistering a joist with oversize lumber?

I've done some research lately on joist sistering as a solution to bouncy floors. The logic seems to revolve around the following principles. The stress of carrying a load is at the center of the span Taller is better than wider for a joist, i.e. a 2 by 12 will be a better joist than a double ...

good question

i can't think of any

@TheEvilGreebo reducing headroom in the crawlspace? potentially too much load?

The Evil Greebo

too much load where? on the verticals?

@TheEvilGreebo that's what I was thinking

but I'm not a SE nor do I play one on tv

The Evil Greebo

I dunno - I think that overloading the vertical posts is something that would require an incredibly larger load than you could put on a horizontal span

on a wooden one I mean

but i'm not an SE either

2:16 PM

@TheEvilGreebo yeah probably not a concern considering that compared to an entire house a bit of extra weight on a joist is insignificant.

but if we're trying to think of potential issues those are the things that come to mind

The Evil Greebo

potential plausible ones anyway ;)

@TheEvilGreebo I mean if we want to get imaginative :)

The Evil Greebo

I've sistered larger joists to smaller ones

in my attic - when I was installing plywood flooring up there - I wanted to elevate it more to leave more insulation space underneath

@TheEvilGreebo makes sense

The Evil Greebo

yeah well the ceilings are fine but now that you mention it, the corner posts of one bedroom did completely blow out...

(not ;) )

2:24 PM

you have any experience with repairing maintaining wood floors?

The Evil Greebo

are you kidding?

@TheEvilGreebo lol

Home Improvement Stack Exchange Blog: Romancing the Floor – Saving and Restoring Old Hardwood

The Evil Greebo on October 13, 2011

Some years ago, after our finished (not by me) basement flooded for the third time, and we decided that the carpet posed too much of a health risk to spend serious time down there until we redid it (a project that’s still not finished, FYI), we decided to convert the 3rd bedroom in our house to an office.

This project involved a lot of learning experiences for me, but one of the best was learning the value of the phrase, “old but good”.

A little history. House was built in 1940. We are the third owners, if I remember correctly – fourth at the most. At one point, the ho …

I seriously need to read the blog :)

The Evil Greebo

@Tester101 yeah that

2:27 PM

ok so then, I've got wide board pine floors in my house (installed by previous owners ~6 years ago), in the hallway the ends of a couple boards are kinda loose, is there anything I can do?

The Evil Greebo

speaking of the blog

demolish house, start over

The Evil Greebo

tester - we're preparing to redo a bathroom in the next few months

and I still have a blog to write on replcaing a main water shutoff valve for you

@waxeagle wax: what kind of boards

@TheEvilGreebo Not for me, for the community ;)

The Evil Greebo

@Tester101 For you, you ****ing slave driver

2:31 PM

@TheEvilGreebo not completely sure, I think it's tongue and groove, but I didn't select or install them

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The Evil Greebo

@Tester101 add pointy hair

@waxeagle loose how

@TheEvilGreebo there's a bit of travel at the ends of the boards

The Evil Greebo

as in you can slide them around some?

@TheEvilGreebo more like they bounce

The Evil Greebo

2:32 PM

in one line of direction?

oh i see

squeaky?

@TheEvilGreebo yep

The Evil Greebo

generally means the subfloor is loose

@TheEvilGreebo ok, that's kind of what I was anticipating

The Evil Greebo

do you have access to the underside?

@TheEvilGreebo I think so, pretty sure that's still crawlspace and not part of the basement

The Evil Greebo

2:34 PM

probably your subfloor was nailed down not screwed down

difficult to fix without pulling up the floor

floor gets loose, bounces, rubs nails, squeaks

a half assed temp fix would be to get plastic shims and shove em in between the joists and subfloor where loose underneath

@TheEvilGreebo no squeaking but lumpy?

not like anything is level in the house anyways

The Evil Greebo

you could get 90 degree brackets mounted flush with the top of hte joists and screw the sub floor down from underneath

risky though - screws can't be too long, and really really tedious to install small brackets so close to the floor

lots of bumped knuckles

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not specific trouble area, but this is the living room (from the listing, our house isn't decorated like that because we aren't related to an interior designer)

also we're broke nerds

The Evil Greebo

2:54 PM

lol

same floors everywhere but the kitchen and the basement

and the bathrooms

3:15 PM

Damnit! Cleared my history. Where the blogs at?

I need to finish writing.

@ChrisCudmore diy.blogoverflow.com/wp-admin/edit.php is my best guess

man, hot wheels tracks have changed a lot since I was a kid.

@ChrisCudmore link is hidden at the very bottom of the home page, I don't get why they hide it.

EPIC PARENTING!

@waxeagle That worked by the way.

3:36 PM

Fingers crossed that I can get my hands on more cheap balls since groupon let me down: slickdeals.net/f/5155856-60-off-Bucky-Balls-Buckyballs?

welcome to the site @Papuass, nice hat!

Jul 19 at 19:36, by BMitch

I'm a guy, I like balls

Seriously, I don't don't have kids, why can't I play with my balls in the privacy of my own home without the government interfering.

@BMitch You can play with your balls even if you have kids, you just can't let them see you, or the government will get involved.

You also cannot play with your balls with your kids, play with your kids balls, or let your kids play with your balls.

and for god's sake, Don't let them put the balls in their mouths.

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4:49 PM

@ChrisCudmore that is so much win

sweet, youtube oneboxes in gmail chat

The Evil Greebo

5:15 PM

@ChrisCudmore Fake

two obvious issues

1) in scene changes where you see from differnet direction you see no sign of the other cameras

2) minute 2:05 - the track trails off to nothing - next shot it turns around the bend. Put it in full screen HD and you'll see it

@TheEvilGreebo I see that although it seems to just disappear after the shadow where you can't see anything, is there a reason I couldn't have been shot in multiple takes?

The Evil Greebo

of course it could. But that doesn't explain the track terminating

they made it look like one long run - the only legitimate way to do that is do it in one take with one moving camera

@TheEvilGreebo yeah which would be a logistical nightmare in a house

honestly I don't trust a hotwheel to stay upright for a single take of 2k ft

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7:43 PM

@tester101 Blog post up for review.

The Evil Greebo

is the blog chat room officiallyd ead?

I didn't even know there was one.

8:09 PM

@TheEvilGreebo it's frozen because no-one was using it. I think unfreezing is a mod power (perhaps it's a dev power).

@NiallC. just mod

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Q: Why is the main chat room frozen?

I was going to post a message in the site's main chat room but it's not visible by default in the list of DIY chat rooms. When I click on the Show Frozen/Deleted Rooms button and join the room, I get the message: This room is frozen; new messages cannot be added. Is this a glitch on the ch...

if you links it I can restore it if desired

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Q: Entry area flooring - how to fill with concrete/other?

I have an entry walkway that's 9ft x 4ft by my front door that I need to fix so it is solid ground. I was thinking of putting concrete down and then laying tile on top of the concrete. I have some reservation about using concrete because the floor is currently just uneven sand/dirt. Would this ca...

concrete flooring

Is there any reason why he can't just pour 4 inches of concrete on the sand?

8:29 PM

I can't tell what's around the edge of the area. It looks like cinderblock in places and 2x4s elsewhere.

The Evil Greebo

if its outside?

in a cold climate if he just pours it over sand/dirt it'll heave come winter

wont it?

oh its inside

@TheEvilGreebo inside, but it borders outside, potentially not climate controlled area

The Evil Greebo

tis got sealed windows - wood floor - if thats not climate controlled, concrete is his smallest warry

worry

@TheEvilGreebo fairy nuff

The Evil Greebo

@waxeagle WHO YOU CALLIN FAIRY!?!?!?

8:34 PM

@TheEvilGreebo nobody....fairy

The Evil Greebo

lol

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Q: How can I restore this interior wooden siding?

I have a small entry way with wooden siding by my front door. It's not in great condition from the previous owners and I was hoping there would be a way to restore or just make it look better. Could it be sanded/refinished? Or does is there something else I should do? I'd be willing to stain it a...

wood walls hardwood-refinishing

proof its climate controlled

same house and all

@TheEvilGreebo ah yep, it's an entire living room. Looked like it might be a converted porch or something from pics on that question

The Evil Greebo

@ChrisCudmore tilt house on side... LOL

Summer of Love ended on labour day. We can snark again!

Seriously though. How do you sand a wall in any reasonable amount of time?

@TheEvilGreebo I think a RO sander is the way to go even if it's going to be slow; I'd upvote if you posted it as an answer

The Evil Greebo

8:42 PM

later if someone else doesn't - i'm behind on work

8:56 PM

@TheEvilGreebo it's frozen, would you like it unfrozen, or should we talk about blog stuff in here?

9:23 PM

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