TRPG General Chat

6:04 PM

@NautArch I think the thing I don't like about it is the social history behind it. "Okay, we'll publish a book of deities' stats. We'll make 'em so ridiculous that nobody could ever take one on." "Uh, sir? They've killed the entire Norse Pantheon." "Dammit! Let's make something unkillable." [years go by] "Sir? They really don't like having something they can't kill." "Alright, we'll ease up a bit [3.5]. And a bit more [4]. And a bit more [5]." "Sir? They say it's too easy to kill."

ShadowKras

In that regard, i like paizo's approach. Deities never have stats, their heralds and harbringers? Sure.

godskook

Iirc, high level 3.5 Gods are basically unkillable by anything pre-epic, and anything post-epic if you disallow epic spells, since they have access to literally every trick that Pun-pun does.

Yes, they have HP. Good luck being able to make an attack roll against them.

A_S00

@godskook I think this is true of those with the Alter Reality SDA, but not all of the statted ones have it

nitsua60

@ShadowKras Although it was fun, back when Deities & Demigods first dropped, all the battles royale that my friends and I set up. "Alright, next it's Osiris vs. Surya."

ShadowKras

@nitsua60 i believe that was the original purpose.

Mortals vs gods will only end in ridiculous situations (coughgod-of-warcough).

godskook

6:12 PM

@A_S00, if said gods have others "under their protection", their wrath would befall any who dared even try.

Its a sort of catch-22. Sure, you can kill some lesser Dragon deity, but if you piss off Io, you're SCREWED.

A_S00

@godskook I mean yeah I imagine most campaign settings have reasons why killing their gods would be a bad idea, but that's different from them being unkillable

godskook

I mean, at that level, they're not supposed to be "unkillable"

A_S00

yeah fair; I actually missed that you specified "high level" gods before

I retract disagreeing :P

Adam

@nitsua60 Players want a deadly challenge, but often are less than enthused to actually die it seems. Then you make things easier so they don't die so much, and they are less than enthused that things got easier. What's a designer to do?

godskook

Also, I'm at work, so I don't know how early in the Divine Ranks D&D Gods get to "stupid powerful Pun-Pun factories", but iirc, Divine Rank 1 is "Herecules"-level, so its not like having a low Divine Rank was ever intended to make a God unkillable.

A_S00

6:24 PM

@godskook neither Divine Druid nor Alter Reality, which are the two that matter, have Divine Rank requirements

so it mostly comes down to whether the people statting them out bothered to make them good

NautArch

@nitsua60 "it' being the tarrasque, my answer, or guildsbounty answer?

doppelgreener

Note to self: one day have an adventure PCs that is going along steadily and they're halfway through their adventuring day, when halfway through the Tarrasque erupts from the ground nearby and starts laying waste to nearby civilisation and forestry.

Ryan

Just discovered there's sites advertising "Artisan hand-made dice!" --- what a strange concept of things to craft by hand

Adam

6:39 PM

@doppelgreener Don't forget to roll some dice behind your screen and either shake your head and sigh, or begin cackling maniacally before you bring him out.

nitsua60

@NautArch "It" being running arena-fights with my friends, each of us playing different mythological gods.

SevenSidedDie

@Ryan Are they cool piecework metal dice? There was a guy doing those for a while that were amazing.

NautArch

@nitsua60 oooh!

Ryan

@SevenSidedDie artisandice.com/order/ash

some of theirs don't specify if hand-made or machine. Some specify machine. But then some say hand-made like those. Why in the world would someone want hand-made die. it's just asking for imbalances

nitsua60

@SevenSidedDie My life was a little more-interesting during that moment when I'd read this as "are they cool piecework meat dice?"

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SevenSidedDie

6:50 PM

@Ryan Oof, especially wooden ones. Well, I can answer that though: some people like collecting dice, and handmade ones would be a fun addition to a collection / conversation piece.

Karelzarath

Pretty much this. It's a great RPG geek gift and conversation piece.

SevenSidedDie

@nitsua60 Roll dem uncleaned bones

Karelzarath

@nitsua60 The squish keeps them from rolling off the table.

NautArch

I don't know why, other than maybe just being in a bad mood, the upvotes on the tarrasque answer that clearly has wrong info it are bothering me more than they should.

Karelzarath

@NautArch I'm right there with you.

SevenSidedDie

6:52 PM

@NautArch The upvote train sometimes takes some time to turn around, but it usually does.

Adam

@NautArch I was convinced and swapped my upvote to you if that helps ease the sting any

ShadowKras

@Karelzarath sup

NautArch

@Adam heh. I actually don't think my answer is worth an upvote :) J

Karelzarath