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 The Sphinx's Lair

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Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 21:03
It would be doubly more evil with probabilities, but the question would be an absolute mess (and probably flawed somewhere)
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 21:01
And I ended up with 11 separate people/characters in one puzzle as you can see.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 21:00
It was originally a poem-based puzzle. When I realized the poem I made was fancy but the actual puzzle component I wasn't sure of, I thought, well, why don't I find the most evil way to make a liar puzzle there is?
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:40
As in I made it, then nope.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:18
Aha, I finally figured out the problem. The answers I was reading off were actually just like 'notes' to mark possible solutions, rather than any actual authoritative answer. It doesn't mean the question itself is wrong, only that the real answer may in fact not be the one I deleted after all.

I don't know if this advances anything, but I guess we shall wait for other answerers to post their attempts.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:12
If it ever turns out to be incorrect, I've got zero problems with that, I'll modify it or remove it.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:11
The truth table lists the truth of every individual statement. It might seem as though every statement's own truth can be determined on its own, but that would be up to the solver to discover, because it may not be in fact the case.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:10
It was not an intention exactly, but I guess now that you pointed out, it is indeed good evil trickery.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:09
Well, I won't say no if it does.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:08
That is a linguistic argument, not a logical one.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:07
They're just normal names.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:05
As far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to be, but I am open to being shown otherwise. I fully accept the fault being mine if there is ever enough evidence to said fact.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:02
Maybe you could clarify your intentions with it in a better formatted way.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:02
It is jumbled up quite a bit.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:02
I don't understand what you wrote.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:01
Then there is nothing to clarify.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 20:01
I'm not sure how I can explain this further to you, other than gradually reducing the number of statements utilized in the puzzle to demonstrate that lower tiers are perfectly valid.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:59
To be clear, I have no problem that the question (or the solution) are incorrect, only that I'm not sure in which part it is.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:57
You're not saying the whole thing is wrong - which is what I might have initially presumed, only that some certain particular thing within the whole deal is mistaken
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:56
What the issue is, I'm not exactly sure which particular phrase you are saying is wrong.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:54
It gets pretty confusing
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:54
That some person X talks about another character Y, and this itself all being a quote from a third character Z
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:53
Your confusion might result from the recursive statements listed that contain three or more people mentioned, themselves within a quote that could be false. That is a major mind bender.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:52
I tested it out again with 11 characters, same result.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:47
It is possible that there is a bug somewhere, but given that the solutions work for a lesser number of people, one would presume it is also the case when increased to 11 characters.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:46
I don't know the details.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:46
Machine spat it out.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:43
All statements are logically connected to each other
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:41
You will be able to visualize it
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:41
You don't need to assume any disposition. If you calculate the (very) larger full-version truth table
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:40
In this particular case, it is much more complex, with "X claims that 'Either Y is a truth teller or Z'" etc
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:38
Here's an example: Say, "X claims B is a liar"

Then if I say it is false, it means X's claim is false.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:36
Are you saying the truth table is invalid?
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:35
That having been worked out, it can then be concluded that the answer is as written
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:35
It's a truth table explaining the validity of each statement.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:30
See the deleted answer
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:26
There are 11 characters/people in the puzzle. It isn't solved that quickly.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:20
Well, if it's buggy, the best way to know would be equivalent to just solving it.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:14
Well, you can imagine a machine just spitting out the answer. Hence I am not familiar with the steps required to reach it, frankly, only that it is correct. And as far as the answer is, it isn't what you stated.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:12
The puzzle was generated, not typed. Hence I'd be pretty sure of the answer I have, and it doesn't match yours.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:11
No, double check your calculation.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:04
And it is a solution unlike what most would expect of a liar puzzle.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 19:01
@GarethMcCaughan There is in fact a solution, the one I deleted.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 17:27
Do I delete it then, the answer?
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 17:26
@JohnDvorak I've answered my own puzzle, don't know if that's alright here, but maybe a different style/method of answer than that could still be found.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 16:53
Would it be alright to just post it and see how it goes? The main problem I want to identify is whether the logic part holds up mathematically and there's no accidental mistake somewhere.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 16:52
So I've been meaning to double check on a logic puzzle I'm working about, but the sandbox on meta needs 5 rep.
Flog Edoc
Apr 16, 2019 16:52
Hey there guys.
 

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Apr 8, 2019 13:42
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Flog Edoc
Apr 5, 2019 22:52
There are a couple other questions in the Sandbox I could use some constructive feedback about: https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/sandbox-for-proposed-challenges/17538#17538

https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/sandbox-for-proposed-challenges/17520#17520