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6:00 PM

Forbid, forget, forswear, forsake are different from forebode, forewarn, foretell, foreshadow. The latter set are all the same; the former ones have the meaning lost to us. Or at least to me.

@tchrist Yeah. I think fore either means "prior to" or it's too murky.

I think the fore version is the before one. I think the for version is murky.

That's what I meant to say.

So you jump, but you end up in the wrong place, or you perform the jump not as intended in some other way. Like, your left leg was all wrongly bent or something.

@RegDwighт I didn't know the second meaning.

6:01 PM

Zerspringen, on the other hand, would mean "to crack, split, break"

@Robusto it's reflexive only. Sich versprechen.

Oh.

The other one can be reflexive or not.

How about verpassen?

To miss.

I know what it means.

6:02 PM

As in, a train. Or an opportunity.

What does ver do for passen there?

But again there's a second meaning.

To hand out. As in, a punch.

"Ich verpasse Dir eine" = "I'll punch you"

sippin' on gin & juice

@RegDwighт Hah, I’ll pop you one.

Verfallen is another one that has multiple meanings.

6:04 PM

@Robusto hard to tell, as it's not clear to me what the meaning of "passen" is in that case.

Probably really just pass, hand, and then the ver turns it into something like pass on, hand out, but I'm inventing things out of thin air right now.

@JohanLarsson Sounds vaguely anti-Semitic. :)

why?

@Robusto yes, though there the fallen is more transparent, in fact for all meanings so.

Can ver and zer be thought of as inseparable prepositions, kind of?

@JohanLarsson Jews.

6:06 PM

I mean, you can say aufpassen and passen auf, but you can't say passen ver.

Well, sort of, as they do belong to that class of special prefixes... ah you're faster.

@Robusto that, and also the past participle. The ver and zer override the ge.

True. I should have thought of that as well.

Aufgepaßt, but zerbrochen, verbrochen. Not zergebrochen, vergebrochen.

@tchrist ah got it :D

6:20 PM

Meeting. Laters.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт Rumour has it that the owner of that company bought bricklink as a personal acquisition, that it will not be related to his game company, and that he is an AFOL and bricklink user for years.

Hello.

The weather is excessively pleasant.

Everybody is flocking around cafés and terraces.

It's about 20 °C and sunny.

6:35 PM

@Robusto cracks whip

Ow. that hurt.

Kwitcherbitchen

I had a lunch date.

And I made a movie date.

More dogs at beach

I had a medjool date. Tasty!

on|at?

6:38 PM

at

at the beach means anywhere respective to the beach place.

on if they are actually on it.

on the beach means on the sand.

ty ty

oops I didn't wait for it.

6:39 PM

You had a date?

How was it??

Nice.

I hope you didn't have too much to drink?

Fried chicken-y.

@Cerberus It was lunch.

That is not one of the better drinks

@KitFox That an odd way of putting it.

6:40 PM

She's kind of odd. But the chicken was good.

@KitFox So you drank only white wine, huh.

Ick. No.

Do I look gay to you?

white wine, scmhite whine.

I know right? White wine is very... you know..

White trash?

Sex and the City?

ha ha...yeah. SATC.

mahnolo blahniks

spa days.

wine in a bag...wait, that's what we're defining.

6:42 PM

@KitFox Hey, I don't like white wine very much either. But for some reason people think that's what they must drink at lunch time.

@Mitch I associate it with women who are trying too hard to look rich and sophisticated.

but really white trash?

I take personal offense.

Water with lemon, salad with ranch dressing, and a $1 tip.

Well-done steak.

I am rich and sophisticated.

well-done...blech.

I know, right?

6:43 PM

oh but water with lemon..that's one of my culinary specialties.

That's what I think of when I think of white wine.

along with toast.

White wine, does that make you look rich?

No, it makes you look stupid.

Most people wouldn't notice a bad white wine anyway.

6:44 PM

I'm not that good at making toast though, but it is one of my favorite dishes to make for guests.

YEAH TOAST!

@KitFox no, it make syou stupid.

Making a toast is not that hard.

No, it shows that you are already stupid.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:44 PM

!! /youtube white wine in the sun

I know, you go "Toast!"

@MattЭллен it's only gay if the balls don't laugh.

You just talk about your various successes in life, and, oh, yeah, some people are getting married.

A friend of mine is getting married tomorrow.

6:45 PM

Again, already?

Yay?

@Cerberus is that a toast for yourself, or for the unlucky lady?

I will be playing the Godfather Waltz.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт On the accordion?

My wife taught them dancing. Except they didn't practice so she might as well not have bothered.

6:45 PM

On the concertina?

It's suppose to be for the happy couple, if you're their best man. But it's really about you, because you grab any opportunity to talk about yourself, however...importune.

Does that sound like the Christof Waltz?

On a stupid 100-bucks Bontempi keyboard, actually.

(I'm sure importune is also an adjective, right? Right?)

@RegDwighт That is classy.

6:46 PM

@RegDwighт Ah, which dances?

The joke is, the facility belongs to a church, so they have a Hammond in there, and a pianoforte. But they won't let me use either. For bogus reasons.

Because you're a heathen?

As if.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

They are, compared to me.

6:47 PM

A heathen or just heathen?

@Cerberus I'd like to offer a toast to the bride and groom. I remember when I was just a wee lad and... blah blah blah... and that's when I woke up in the hospital bed. So congratulations to the bride!

The church won't let you?

Oh yeah, and the groom.

I am a fucking Orthodox. They are but pitiful Catholics.

@RegDwighт You shouldn't talk about your wife like that.

6:47 PM

@Cerberus It has non-adjectival useses?

@Mitch I love your speech. It must be...heartfelt. The only bit that's missing is about how people always tell you how great you are, and that you really don't understand why, because you're so modest.

@Mitch Verb?

@KitFox Zing!

OK, I must go shower and then get my boys.

@Cerberus actually if they let me talk to the priest, I'm pretty sure he'd allow it. But today I could only talk to one stupid lady who's looking after the keys.

@Cerberus Exactly! I could go on!

6:49 PM

And frankly, she couldn't tell a piano from a dead cat if you hit her with it.

Because she would be dead?

@Cerberus "I just importuned my garden, because it was getting really weedy."?

Um.

All this talk of heterodoxy is getting me worked up.

:979867 Use the cat, the piano would make a mark and someone would notice.

6:50 PM

"I just weeded my garden. It was looking very importunate."

Or maybe it's just the paint fumes.

@KitFox And ... we're back to Girl Genius.

So yeah. Whatever. Actually the groom, bored with waiting for the lady, almost broke the piano open. I imagine when everyone's drunk tomorrow, I will not only end up playing the piano, but doing so naked in the nearby creek.

@KitFox ooh..baby...

@RegDwighт ...

Don't hesitate not to post the pictures.

6:51 PM

I already amn't.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт As long as you're laughing and touching the piano, it's okay

@KitFox "did you know..I can say the Lord's prayer backwards"

6 mins ago, by RegDwighт

@MattЭллен it's only gay if the balls don't laugh.

Wait, that's blasphemy.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If that wasn't a joke, I don't know what it is! It was even funny.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:52 PM

@Cerberus It was a joke about you and the conversation.

Which was about...

balls

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

not going there.

and laughing.

well I don't get it either, but if I ask, and it gets explained, it will be even less funny.

Just a suggestion: perhaps you should pick a different front for your battle than prudish gays!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:53 PM

@Mitch read the transcript from the last two days. then all will be clear.

Look what it did for Napoleon. And Hitler, too.

search for 'balls'?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I'm not exactly waging a war.

That's what Napoleon said.

"Just pacifying the continent".

@RegDwighт Yes, yes, YES!

I haven't been to a party like that in ages.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:07 PM

btw @Cerb this is a neat app: play.google.com/store/apps/…

...and I'm off. Later, peeps!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Does it work for you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yes

turn the phone upside down, it shuts off.

I've used a similar application, but it turned out my phone went on way too often in my pocket. That was a year or so ago.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Oh, i've only had it for 10 minutes now

dunno if it will turn on in my pocket.

it has a proximity sensor though, so it shouldn't.

know what's annoying about the N4? the headphone jack is on top.

7:14 PM

I would probably do it with Tasker now if I wanted to. But PGM Nexus is so convenient...I just swipe or double-tap the screen to activate it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I like to put my phone head-down in my pocket.

So do I, however: it's better to put it USB-down in your pocket, because then it's much less likely that any rain gets in.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

lol wut? rain does not get into my pockets.

It will if you get soaked.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

that never happens.

ever

7:17 PM

Remember, even if it just gets a bit moist, there is a chance that it will in time ruin your USB port.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

but I have another electrical opening at the top of the phone too. so wouldn't that also be an issue?

People tell me it has happened to their GN.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I don't think any of my phones ever has ever had a "usb port got too damp" problem.

The USB port is very vulnerable, and also essential.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yeah but you live below sea level. it's damp there.

7:18 PM

It may be a GN thing.

Pah.

It's not damp here. We have sea wind.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

doesn't that make it damp?

But serious, if it's raining and you have to cycle or walk for 15 minutes, that may be risky, people say.

Sea wind is dry.

Swamps and valleys are moist.

Anyway, whatever.

Turns out two groups of friends have arranged to meet in the same café independently, of all places in the city.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah, whatever. my phones don't get damp.

Great.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

and even if they did, I replace them often.

7:20 PM

My phone also has a nice ridge that makes it easier to take out of my pocket btw. Don't you miss that?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I don't miss the ridge per se, no. I don't like that the N4 is so flat on the back that its speaker is muffled if you put it face down.

Ugh.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

they've fixed that now, on later phones.

the glass back is much prettier than the gn though.

the GN is well made, but the N4 looks much better overall. except I like the GN's ability to have a fully black black on the screen.

I'm a man. I have a tool. I don't really care what it looks like, as long as it works.

@Cerberus have them sit at opposite ends of the cafe, then say that you have to go to the bathroom, to go to the other side.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:24 PM

and you accuse me all the time of not caring about aesthetics.

@Mitch I usually do that when I have three romantic dates the same night.

the second time, tell them, you've been drinking too much coffee.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, well, I just don't really care for mass-produced Chinese crap (don't listen, pretty Nexus, not you!).

@Mitch Can't you lend me your 3D projector?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You don't care about esthetics? Troglodyte!

@Cerberus People totally can see through your avatar. Literally!

I don't care about the looks of things that are ugly and undecorated and made of plastic anyway.

7:27 PM

I mean no offense to actual troglodytes.

Have you seen my house?

in comparison with MRSAN.

It's a dog house. Or pig sty. Or cave.

@Cerberus Make up your mind, otherwise the pig, dog and bear will get annoyed.

Or maybe those are just three voices in my heads.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:29 PM

@Cerberus ah, see? mine is neither ugly, nor undecorated, nor made of plastic.

@Cerberus The trick is to have one voice louder than the others.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes it is. The decoration doesn't deserve the name.

@Mitch I try to scream all day, but it gets tiring when I'm trying to sleep.

What...you guys don't use glitter glue, and Bedazzlers?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus it has that fancy glittery glass. that's decorated. just because you only like things that are over 1000 years old, doesn't mean that you have good taste, or that my phone is undecorated.

@Cerberus I hear meditation helps. They all get bored and just take naps.

7:39 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Okay, that's decoration. But it's not very interesting (sorry!). And it does mean that I have good taste!

@Mitch Do you have to say ommm all the time?

Okay, it's partay time.

Have fun, kids!

poof

☕

8:01 PM

@Cerberus ommm nommm nommmmmmmm.... (falls asleep with donut hanging off of mouth)

1 hour later…

Matt Эллен

9:17 PM

An hour?! Time flies when you're sitting by yourself not doing anything

9:36 PM

Knoxville, Tennessee:

user image

10:03 PM

@MattЭллен poke

Matt Эллен

@KitFox poke

raises eyebrow

makes wiggly motions with hands

forgets secret handshake, so shimmy-shakes instead

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт I wonder what the front says

@MattЭллен "I am an a**hole."

Matt Эллен

oh, well that's just weird

10:10 PM

@RegDwighт Interesting choice of contrasting letter-heights. Shows you where one’s priorities reside.

I'm guessing...just wildly...that it is an Obama backronym on the front.

Matt Эллен

ah

That’d be a frontronym.

Mr Obama is rather odd for a black man, insofar as he was raised by whites in white culture. His language is white.

But using queer for odd is a bit precious.

And using nigger for a half-black man is just plain harshing on the capuchines and mulatos for no good reason.

10:31 PM

@tchrist I don't think it means queer in that sense.

10:42 PM

One redditor says the front reads "I support my President"

No source.

"This picture was taken by a friend of mine. It's in Farragut.
The front of the shirt says "I support the President of the USA".
EDIT: not Farragut...Hardin Valley."

Why didn’t we let the South go?

Matt Эллен

11:02 PM

because it's better to have a tight bottom

11:18 PM

Mmm, tight bottoms.

There's a line in R&C where Captain Slag tells Rusty Pete something about clean trousers. I figured they must have tested the original dialogue with a UK audience.

But I only noticed it this time around because I have a Brit friend who explained to me what pants are.

thx @Matt.

Matt Эллен

:D I wonder how difficult it would be to change that one word for the US

no probs!

It boggles the mind.

Much like fanny.

Matt Эллен

hehehehe

Actually, fanny is harder to think of.

Is it actually offensive?

Fannie Farmer was one of my relatives.

Matt Эллен

Not really. It's quite a childish word

Also, yes, it's a name too

11:21 PM

And a decent book.

Matt Эллен

so it doesn't have such tabooitude

In the original French. I don't know about the English translation.

Matt Эллен

What book is that?

Fanny.

Matt Эллен

oh

11:22 PM

I think. Let me check.

Hmm. There's a play...

Huh. That must be it.

I remembered it as a novel.

Matt Эллен

Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure (popularly known as Fanny Hill) is an erotic novel by John Cleland first published in England in 1748. Written while the author was in debtors' prison in London, it is considered "the first original English prose pornography, and the first pornography to use the form of the novel." One of the most prosecuted and banned books in history, it has become a synonym for obscenity. Publishing history The novel was published in two instalments, on November 21, 1748 and February 1749, respectively, by "G. Fenton", actually Fenton Griffiths and his brother Ralph....

That's not the one I was thinking of.

Heh heh.

Matt Эллен

:D It's a possible source for the British meaning according to etymonline

Well, now, that makes sense.

It's funny, I remember asking my mom was a girl's was called. You know, a boy has a penis and a girl has a what? You know, this part? pointing

She did not say vagina. She thought about it and said "I don't know. I guess you'd say your fanny."

Matt Эллен

!!

11:28 PM

@MattЭллен Y U NO MAEK SENSE!? Could not understand ``

She should have said vulva. It's such a nice word.

Matt Эллен

it is

The lunch date I had today...I couldn't help thinking how much the bacon on top of her burger looked like labia.

But I said nothing. I was well-behaved.

Matt Эллен

:D delicately placed

well done. how was the date?

It was fun. One of those "I'm sure regular people wouldn't even wonder if this was a date because normal people just have lunch together sometimes."

Matt Эллен

11:30 PM

nice

She wants to get together again, so maybe we'll be good pals.

She's kind of mannish and scary.

But in a sexy kind of way.

Matt Эллен

OK

I feel awkwardly like I have to try hard to be a girl around her.

Which means I'm being stupid.

Matt Эллен

that must be weird. so you're not the dominant one?

I don't know why you think I would be. tries hard to look sweet and vulnerable

Matt Эллен

11:32 PM

:D

as an aside: have you seen this list?

I saw the first pic and thought you were trolling me.

Matt Эллен

lol

Mmm, I love the ladies.

Damn that's a lot of hot chicks.

I don't see my pic though.

Matt Эллен

I didn't see you on there. I guess you're not in the public eye enough

Hahaha. Just wait until I get famous via AMSR/novel writing.

Matt Эллен

11:37 PM

indeed!

Ah, there I am. #81.

Matt Эллен

OK...

Or #74. That kinda looks like me.

Vaguely.

You know what it is? I'm not a lesbian.

Matt Эллен

yeah, I can see that a bit

I think some of the people on the list are bi

Evan Rachel Wood, for example

Well. bubble burst

Matt Эллен

11:40 PM

awwww

I was explaining to my son about freckles last week. Turns out he's got them.

He was really mad about it until I pointed out mine.

Matt Эллен

good?

I have freckles

and moles

what does he think of them?

Well, he's cool with it now, since I explained pigment and sunlight and melatonin and the coolness that is the solar reactivity of our skin.

Matt Эллен

excellent

I think it's time for me to hit the hay.

Good night, foxy

@MattЭллен Good night. Sleep tight. Don't let the bedbugs bite.

Clea Duvall. Yes!

11:56 PM

@KitFox R&C? Ren and Ctimpy? Rango and Cash?

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