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I have a simple form whose action posts to a basic PHP script. The problem I have discovered is that if someone is typing fast and accidently has the Shift key down when they hit "Enter" a whole slew of PHP error messages pops up. How can I allow Shift + Enter to work just like "Enter" or at leas...

Andrew Leach

What? Why have we got that?

KitFox

I just got an email from a user who literal ended every line with an exclamation point. And one of them with three exclamation points.

@AndrewLeach When it's idle, it has some randomly generated stuff.

Andrew Leach

4:36 PM

@KitFox What!!!! Why??! What on earth were they thinking?!?!?!

KitFox

> Thank you SO much! I have been trying to log in on my new computer but had lost my password!!! (Everything was bookmarked on my old one!) I was going to write to someone today! You beat me to it! I will try the new password right now! Thank you again!

I guess she was excited.

Andrew Leach

If a new password is all it takes...

KitFox

Right. Now I must put the young one to bed. bbl

Cerberus

Has anyone read Keep the Aspidistra Flying, by Orwell?

It sounds utterly depressing.

And yet the plot lines seems oddly similar to that of 1984!

It starts with an adequate but not luxurious position in life, deteriorating into anguish and suffering when the protagonist tries to uphold certain principles, then it ends with a great sigh of relief for the protagonist as he is forced by his environment to give up his principles entirely and forever.

SO ChatBot

You should comment all your code

Andrew Leach

4:51 PM

@SOChatBot Tell that to Zirak

Cerberus

@SOChatBot Wtf!?

@SOChatBot You should use punctuation.

Johan Larsson

@Cerberus 84 is pretty depressing no?

Cerberus

Very.

Johan Larsson

@KitFox can the idle activity be configured?

RegDwighт

Ah, at last, a dedicated room for hanging people.

Johan Larsson

5:08 PM

The bot took Ninja

RegDwighт

Nah, a ninja will beat a bot hands down every time.

KitFox

@JohanLarsson I don't think so.

I am interesting in messing with the source code.

Johan Larsson

@RegDwighт link to data supporting that claim?

KitFox

I am also curious if it will learn in the other room if I kill it in this one. I don't really understand how the bot works.

!!/die

Matt Эллен

KitFox

5:11 PM

hee hee

Matt Эллен

:D

RegDwighт

@JohanLarsson here is the link:.

KitFox

!!should I nap or write erotica?

SO ChatBot

@KitFox You should nap

RegDwighт

!!how is that an or?

KitFox

5:13 PM

Will do.

SO ChatBot

@RegDwighт By all means

RegDwighт

I see.

Matt Эллен

Brighton news

RegDwighт

Hey some of these are mighty good.

Matt Эллен

I quite like the lemur warning

current events!

RegDwighт

5:17 PM

I can't Ctrl+F so whatever.

user61389

Hi all!

user61389

Say I want a word combining "school" and "moderators", would "schoolerators" or "scholerators" be the "correct" spelling?

RegDwighт

There is no correct spelling of a word you only just invented yourself.

Johan Larsson

mchool or mohol?

user61389

What would be the normal English way of spelling this word, if it would exist?

Matt Эллен

5:18 PM

RegDwighт

You may as well spell it ASgidsfg. Pronounced "jiggy". Meaning "schoolerators". Whatever that means.

@CamilStaps again, there is no normal English way of spelling a word that does not exist.

user61389

Yes, fine, lol

user61389

Which way would look more English-ish?

RegDwighт

We don't even know how you pronounce it.

@CamilStaps both.

user61389

@RegDwighт okay, then I know enough :) thanks!

Matt Эллен

5:20 PM

@CamilStaps teachers

RegDwighт

Yeah, really. That is the word you want.

Johan Larsson

someone called it street captcha^

RegDwighт

Choleric gators from school.

@JohanLarsson je confirme.

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson Mais comment peut-on faire ça?

Johan Larsson

je ne sais pas

Matt Эллен

5:24 PM

@JohanLarsson Je ne suis pas une pipe

Johan Larsson

hmm have to google 'pipe'

Matt Эллен

Johan Larsson

oh, that easy :D

Anyone bored?

Matt Эллен

aye :)

I'm eating, I'm not bored

Cerberus

eating delicious Indian left-overs

Johan Larsson

5:27 PM

I have an activity if there are a couple of you who are bored

RegDwighт

Eating self-made драники.

Everyone here eats when they are bored. This is gonna be a room of fat people.

Andrew Leach

What's draniki?

Or whatever

RegDwighт

Sort of like latkes.

Or pretty much latkes.

Johan Larsson

I wan't to go to Odessa some day to eat potato based food and because I like the name of the city

Andrew Leach

@RegDwighт Oh. Right. Thanks.

RegDwighт

5:30 PM

You grate a few potatoes, add two eggs, a pinch of salt, a pinch of pepper. Then fry it in olive oil.

Today I also grated a carrot.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт What's in that?

RegDwighт

Tastes fine.

@Cerberus slow again?

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson I agree, Odessa is a freaking good name.

@RegDwighт I have heard of the word, but that's all.

@RegDwighт Ahh this!

RegDwighт

Harhar.

Cerberus

So it is like a tortilla.

RegDwighт

5:31 PM

QED

@Cerberus you are like a tortilla.

A tortilla is nothing like this. Not even remotely.

Cerberus

No, you're just making tortilla.

Johan Larsson

Rösti?

Cerberus

No, it is exactly like that.

RegDwighт

@JohanLarsson Yes.

Cerberus

Rösti is only potato, isn't it?

RegDwighт

5:32 PM

No.

Cerberus

No egg.

RegDwighт

Well the egg is optional in my recipe as well.

Johan Larsson

In Sweden we have 'Raggmunkar' they are closer to pancakes but similar

RegDwighт

Nobody said that draniki must be with egg.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Okay, the only difference between this and tortilla is that you great the potato instead of cutting it into small pieces.

RegDwighт

5:32 PM

You don't see the egg anyway. Unlike with tortilla where eggs are the whole point, and the potatoes are not even grated.

Cerberus

Same ingredients.

I suppose grated potatoes will result in a different texture. I like the idea.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus stop it already. I know tortillas. I make tortillas. I buy tortillas. I eat tortillas. They are nothing like draniki.

Period.

Cerberus

Why not?

RegDwighт

This is like saying that milk is the same as kefir.

Matt Эллен

►

RegDwighт

5:34 PM

@Cerberus because these are completely different recipes for completely different things that look, smell, and taste completely different.

Cerberus

Different how?

RegDwighт

You don't have Rösti in Dutchland?

Cerberus

We do, but it's just grated potato, fried.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus in every respect. Name one respect, I will tell you how it's different.

Cerberus

And it's spelled rösti.

RegDwighт

5:35 PM

@Cerberus well there you have it. That's draniki.

Cerberus

Respect one: ingredients.

Respect two: way of preparation (frying).

RegDwighт

@Cerberus completely different.

@Cerberus completely different again.

Cerberus

How?

How2?

RegDwighт

99% potatoes vs 50% potatoes. Grated vs. chopped. Ultimately resulting in fried vs. cooked.

Tortillas typically have jamon, and peas, and other shit.

Draniki are just potatoes, period.

This is unnerving.

I know both things, you only know one.

I'd rather play bayan.

Except my left arm hurts.

Matt Эллен

maybe get your wife to play the left hand side?

RegDwighт

5:42 PM

Right on, at least she can see the button colors!

MετάEd

!! /fry

SO ChatBot

@MετάEd Command fry does not exist.

MετάEd

@SOChatBot It should.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Ah OK, so draniki are normally much thinner/flatter?

RegDwighт

!!/learn fry 'Now frying $0!' \w

SO ChatBot

5:44 PM

@RegDwighт Command fry learned

RegDwighт

@Cerberus yes, and pretty knusprig, too.

Matt Эллен

!!/fry invisibly

SO ChatBot

@MattЭллен Now frying i!

Cerberus

@RegDwighт You can calm down, you have more or less convinced me. You I am not someone who blindly accepts an assertion without an explanation if what information he has points in the other direction.

@RegDwighт Yay, knisperig!

Or knapperig.

Do you have knapperig?

RegDwighт

@Cerberus I'm calmed down already, I'm frying the bot now in case you're noticing.

Cerberus

5:45 PM

I think it is from knappen.

Do you have knappen?

RegDwighт

We have. Those are grooms. I think.

Knappe

Knappe (vom althochdeutschen knappo, so viel wie Knabe) bezeichnet: * einen Stand im mittelalterlichen Kriegswesen, siehe Schildknappe * eine deutsche Bezeichnung der Bodenwanze Lygaeus saxatilis, siehe Knappe (Wanze) * einen bergmännischen Stand, siehe Knappe (Bergbau) * Die Knappen – die Mannschaft des Fußballvereins FC Schalke 04 * eine elektronische Währung in der Veltins-Arena, der Heimat des FC Schalke 04 * "Die Knappen" - eine Ruhrgebietsrocknroll-Band * Status eines (christlichen) Pfadfinders zwischen Wölfling und Späher (ca. mit 14 Jahren) Knappe ist der Familienname folgender...

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Oh haha, my mind skipped the random characters.

@RegDwighт No, that's knapen!

By the way, don't you also have Knabe?

RegDwighт

!!/fry MattЭллен

SO ChatBot

@RegDwighт Now frying M!

Cerberus

(All =~ knave.)

RegDwighт

5:47 PM

@Cerberus see the very first sentence in that Wikipedia quote.

So okay, why does the bot only fry one letter at a time?

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Right, right.

RegDwighт

!!/learn fry 'Now frying $0!' \w+ 'summons the lord'

SO ChatBot

@RegDwighт Command fry already exists

RegDwighт

OHFFS

!!/unlearn fry

SO ChatBot

@RegDwighт Command unlearn does not exist. Did you mean: learn

Cerberus

5:48 PM

But I'm talking about a verb meaning "to break/crack/snap" (English doesn't really have an equivalent).

Knappen.

RegDwighт

I know.

Cerberus

Do you have it?

Andrew Leach

English does have knap.

Cerberus

And hence knapperig, "prone to knappen"?

@AndrewLeach Really?

RegDwighт

@Cerberus Obviously not, otherwise I'd have answered "yes" rather than linking to a Wikipedia article on something else entirely.

Andrew Leach

5:49 PM

Yes. A flint axe is knapped.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт One never knows with you.

RegDwighт

We have stuff like verknappen. To create a deficit. Or whatever.

Make rare.

From knapp, "rare".

Cerberus

@AndrewLeach Hmm funny. That's oddly specific. For the lithicum.

RegDwighт

Actually, more like "very close".

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Hmmm I think we have that in dialects!

RegDwighт

5:51 PM

"Das war knapp" is a common sentence. Meaning that you escaped by the flesh of your teeth.

Cerberus

Maybe akin to krap, "tight, scant"?

Andrew Leach

Knapping

Knapping is the shaping of flint, chert, obsidian or other conchoidal fracturing stone through the process of lithic reduction to manufacture stone tools, strikers for flintlock firearms, or to produce flat-faced stones for building or facing walls, and flushwork decoration. The original Germanic term "knopp" meant strike, shape, or work, so it could theoretically have referred equally well to making a statue or dice. Modern usage is more specific, referring almost exclusively to the hand-tool pressure flaking process pictured to the right. Method Flintknapping or knapping is done in ...

RegDwighт

I have no idea.

KitFox

!!/forget fry

SO ChatBot

@KitFox Command fry forgotten.

Mitch

5:51 PM

@Cerberus I read 'Down and out in London in Paris'. It was also depressing.

KitFox

!!/learn fry 'Now frying @$0!' \w+ 'summons the lord'

RegDwighт

@KitFox thank you. Now teach him proper.

SO ChatBot

@KitFox Command fry learned

KitFox

!!/fry Reg

Cerberus

@RegDwighт We would say dat was krap, but only about physical distances/volumes, not more broadly as a metaphor as in "that was close".

SO ChatBot

5:52 PM

@KitFox Now frying @Reg!

RegDwighт

Excellent.

Cerberus

@Mitch Also Orwell?

Mitch

Oh, yes, Orwell.

It's kind of an autobiography of him doing kitchen clean up.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus there's another saying, "knapp daneben ist auch vorbei".

KitFox

@RegDwighт It's the least I can do, considering I taught it xkcd.

RegDwighт

5:53 PM

No please no xkcd.

Mitch

@Cerberus So I don't remember any overarching moral other than 'being poor sucks', like 'Wigan Pier'

KitFox

@RegDwighт Too late. But when I write my own, I'll not let it do xkcd when you're present.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Ahh yes. I think we use a different metaphor for that meaning.

Mitch

xkcd is hilarious and captures exactly what life is for a certain kind of techno geek. Except when it's not hilarious.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт It's at the tip of my tongue, but I can't think of the Dutch equivalent.

RegDwighт

5:54 PM

@Mitch which these days is always.

Cerberus

@Mitch Haha. Surely there was more to it...I think Orwell was often arguing against excessive capitalism and mainly the City?

KitFox

I was napping, but then everybody pung.

RegDwighт

XKCD is just another Kim Kardashian. Famous for being famous.

Mitch

Yeah. I've noticed that lately, they don't make much sense, and the little sense they do make is kinda empty.

@KitFox what?

@KitFox pung again?

RegDwighт

I gotta go watch the news. Lators.

Cerberus

5:55 PM

@KitFox *knapping

@RegDwighт By the way, do you also have knap "handsome, smart (as in appearance)"?

Mitch

@RegDwighт ah, but no. there are classics. like the far side.

@Cerberus Speaking for him, yes...

RegDwighт

@Mitch there are also classic episodes of Keeping Up With the Kardashians. Just saying.

Cerberus

@Mitch Haha.

KitFox

I got annoyed at Tundra the other day because it had "Red Riding hood's kleptomania catches up with her" and I was all like "Bitch, it was Goldilocks who was the klepto, fucking nitwit."

RegDwighт

Really, when people say classics most of the time they mean "something I loved as a child but am too afraid to check out now because frankly, it wouldn't be all that awesome".

Mitch

5:58 PM

@RegDwighт also, supposedly, they have outstanding anatomical features.

MετάEd

@Mitch Men?

RegDwighт

And I am not here.

Mitch

@Cerberus hm...or maybe not...

MετάEd

@RegDwighт Many of the books I read as a child stood up well to time.

@RegDwighт Except of course Ozymandias.