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10:00 PM
Oh is it l'on, really?
I always thought it was on.
 
F'x
♫ Śmiało podnieśmy sztandar nasz w górę ♫
 
@Cerberus Bien sûr !
 
Interessant.
 
No singing Polish Internationale here!
 
How is the l' supposed to be parsed?
Does it refer to a dance?
"one dances it there"?
 
F'x
10:02 PM
so, no inline player for MP3 files? that is so sad…
 
Then why not "on l'y danse"?
 
F'x
@Cerberus it refers to the bridge
 
Oh...
 
@Fx I have that MP3 already.
 
So you can dance a bridge in French?
 
F'x
10:03 PM
J'ai visité Strasbourg. L'on y mange de la choucroute.
 
Oh I had no idea they used that construction. So both y and l' refer to the same?
And, yuck.
 
@Fx If you're looking for a decent Soviet music archive, have a look at sovmusic.ru/english
 
F'x
@Cerberus yes, they do
@Cerberus it's an euphonious L, let's say
 
Crazy Frencies! But OK, what can I do!
 
I'll be visiting Strasbourg shortly, I will check if FX is factually correct!
 
10:05 PM
Really?
It is supposed to be a decent place?
 
F'x
I have all the Russian music I want with my Shostakovitch, Mussorgsky and friends
@Cerberus it's a fine city
 
@Cerberus Are you like joking or what? Strasbourg rocks.
 
I've been to Ricquewir, that was nice.
Never to Strasbourg.
 
F'x
Strasbourg is both a great historic city and a nice place to live in
 
Streetviewing it now...
 
F'x
10:07 PM
(which I never did, but it's one of the few places I'd like to live in)
 
And that's one of the more hideous parts.
 
F'x
cuisine there is generous, and generally good, but there is no single outstanding specialty
@RegDwight is it la petite France?
 
@Fx Yup.
You have any tips for Nancy? My wife and I will be visiting this Saturday.
 
F'x
@RegDwight I have only one thing to say about Nancy
do you really have to go there?
 
Hehe. Well, my wife insists.
I mean, it can't be worse than Paris, can it?
 
10:10 PM
Wowie I've strolled around town a bit; no idea S. was so gorgeous.
 
F'x
it's a smaller town, and though it has some nice 19th century buildings all over the place, it is too bourgeois
 
Bourgeois? Is that bad too?
 
Not if you're a gentilhomme.
 
F'x
well, maybe not
 
Well I thought everyone had bourgeoisissé already...
 
F'x
10:12 PM
Nancy is a very ordered city
very traditional, not so eventful
 
Oh, does it have Napoleontic names for the different quarters?
 
F'x
it has a few great parks, if you bring kids
 
We still have "Neigbourhood C" in Utrecht, so named by the Emperor.
@F'x: Hey, is the Guide Vert by Michelin still popular in France?
 
F'x
so, Nancy is boring; they're proud of their "place Stanislas", which sure is a beautiful alignment of cobble stones, but not much more
 
Haha.
 
F'x
10:14 PM
sorry :)
 
Sounds exciting.
I am assuming the Guide Rouge is...
 
F'x
@Cerberus still beloved by older people, but not so used anymore
 
Oh I see.
 
F'x
there is just too much competition
 
I love their star system.
 
F'x
10:15 PM
and Guide rouge certainly is a reference (though almost no one owns it), though it's simply known as the Guide Michelin
 
It is so great to look at a map and see what's worth visiting in one look.
 
F'x
(in fact, I was going to look it up when you said, before I realized I could only be that one)
 
Right, we call it Guide Michelin too.
I felt forced to add Rouge after mentioning Vert.
The problem is that it only has a fraction of all hotels and restaurants that exist.
It is sure to have the best ones, but if all hotels are full...
 
F'x
and most of them are outpriced, especially because they're in The Guide
 
True.
 
F'x
10:18 PM
Guides du Routard (Hitch-hiker's guide) are the most used by the younger generations
 
It is so great to be walking around a church and saying "hey, I think we need to look behind that pillar: there's a three-star fresco there!".
Does the Routard have stars or something similar?
When in Vienna, it was quite satisfying to know that we'd seen the only four-star object in town (the Imperial Crown from the 10th century).
 
F'x
@Cerberus the Routard has price categories, and they give special mention to a few in each category
 
But for sight-seeing?
 
F'x
they do it for: buildings, museums, hotels, restaurants, bars, night clubs, and internet shops in some countries
and for sight-seeing, no price categories
each city/region/district begins with a small text explaining what choices you have to make depending on how much time you have
 
But is their system as easy to browse quickly as that of the Guide Vert?
 
F'x
10:22 PM
@Cerberus it requires a bit more reading, but they allow for alternatives ("we didn't like because of X, but sure go if you're into it!")
 
Suppose you don't want to read stuff, but just want to view a map of, say, the Alsace, and see what's to see there and how good it is.
 
F'x
that's what EL&U chat is for!
 
Hehe.
I don't see no map.
 
Okay party people, I'm going to bed, so have fun. Thanks for the info, @F'x. At least now I know that it's not sightseeing that awaits me, but shopping. <Shakes fist in wife's general direction.>
 
Well you haven't won me over for the Routard yet.
Wow that's early, Reg!
 
F'x
10:23 PM
 
Nighty-night then!
 
F'x
@RegDwight maybe I'm biased, let me know how it works out!
 
@Fx I sure will. (And it's not like I'm not biased, having been everywhere from Carcassonne to Paris to La Rochelle.)
 
F'x
then it's closer to La Rochelle :)
(which I also found boring, except for the harbour)
 
10:26 PM
@Fx I figured as much. They have that one tower and then... um... some streets, I guess?
 
F'x
@Cerberus where is that Wunderland where every place has 2 or 3 stars?
 
This kind of map, but the starred destinations usually have different colours based on the number of stars.
Switzwerland.
By the way, the Guide Vert is extremely biased towards France: I think France has about 20 times as many stars.
 
F'x
@RegDwight cobble stones, I already said, don't make me stutter :)
 
@Cerberus I know, I know, aber ich muß morgen früh raus.
 
F'x
@Cerberus let's just consider for a minute that maybe that's not bias, but fact
 
10:27 PM
@Reg: Du bist absolviert. Geh mit Gott.
 
@Fx Well, it did sound more exciting when I read Dumas as a child.
@Cerberus Haha. Geh mit Gott, aber geh!
 
@F'x: I think it is mostly that the guys from Michelin don't know Germany nearly as well as France.
 
I'm out!
 
F'x
@RegDwight then let me advise: if you've read Hugo, please really don't go to Dignes
 
Bye Reg! Good luck getting up!
 
F'x
10:28 PM
@RegDwight bye
 
For example, I went to Wasserburg last summer, Bavaria. It wasn't even on the map, I believe.
If it had been in France, it'd have had two stars.
 
F'x
I don't know Germany much, all I've seen is Bochum and the area around the Bodensee
 
Hmm I've never been there.
 
F'x
@Cerberus this reminded me of there:
small village in Lot (Southern France, Cahors area) with some of the most exquisite people I've met
 
Ah yes, a similarly nice location.
Oh, exquisite in what way?
 
F'x
10:33 PM
I camped for a few weeks at the extremity of the river loop
 
Cool.
 
F'x
welcoming, even though not always very open-minded
 
Don't get me wrong, France is one of my favourite countries between Italy and Spain!
 
F'x
:)
never been to Spain much, and only to Sicily
and for work, both times :(
 
Oh I've only been to Granada. But Italy is great as well.
 
F'x
10:35 PM
I'm not a great traveler, I love my living room's confort too much
 
Still I think I have to say that France is my favourite country for vacation.
Oh I generally hate travelling too!
I hate, hate waiting, heat, spending huge amounts of money...
 
Is there a quick way to see which flags have resulted in an increase or decrease of flag weight?
 
I have no idea, sorry.
 
I am finding the flag-weight page a little confusing
Ah well. Thanks :)
 
F'x
@MrHen sorry, but if you interrupt again with such an off-topic question, I will have to report you to the authorities
 
10:36 PM
So did I. I never came back there after looking at it once.
 
F'x
@MrHen but no, there is none
 
Yeah! Next time he is going to ask about some language stuff.
 
:(
 
I really wonder why most people find travelling so terribly important, to return to the topic of this chat.
 
@Cerberus I find traveling a great way to get to know someone better. As in, people can be at their best/worst when exploring new territories.
 
10:39 PM
@MrHen: You don't wan't to be anywhere near me when I'm travelling!
You can also get to know people by cooking together.
 
@Cerberus Right. Good to know?
 
Hehe.
 
@Cerberus Ugh. Yeah, probably. I am not remotely useful there.
 
With cooking?
 
I don't like getting my hands dirty
 
10:40 PM
Well, then you can travel for me, and I'll cook for you.
 
A neurotic thing, certaintly
 
Understandable.
 
@Cerberus Hey, that sounds like a deal.
 
I cook as cleanly as possible when I have the time.
 
@Cerberus Yeah, some cooks are not very clean. I have problems with that.
But good for you for clean.
 
10:42 PM
Hehe.
It is true though that cooking is faster if you can mess the whole kitchen up.
 
Aw... I just rep capped. That should make me feel happy but I think most of the points came from a technically incorrect answer. :P
@Cerberus :(
 
Still, congrats!
 
Thanks.
@Cerberus I don't mind cleaning, actually. I find it relatively relaxing.
 
Hah!
I hate it.
 
So even dirty cooks get a pass if they leave when I start cleaning
 
10:44 PM
I'll cook, you clean.
 
@Cerberus Hmm... I travel, clean; you cook...
 
Yeah well... I won't be profiting from your travelling.
You may just as well not travel.
 
@Cerberus Aw... traveling sounds more exciting than cleaning.
 
It's your time! I don't care how you divide it, as long as the cleaning gets done!
 
@Cerberus Fair enough.
Okay, I'm out.
 
11:17 PM
Adios!
 
Hasta la vista!
(I will never understand what hasta means. I hope it doesn't mean pole.)
 

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