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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:00 AM
@tohecz sorry Psmith not talking, you could try asking @PauloCereda instead.
 
tohecz
tohecz
@DavidCarlisle lol
 
leo
leo
@egreg I didn't know that R^n and R^m are isomorphic as groups. I've just read that in here
 
egreg
egreg
@leo Oh, yes! They are isomorphic as Q-vector spaces, because they have the same cardinality as R, so a basis over Q has cardinality |R|.
 
leo
leo
@egreg quite interesting
 
egreg
egreg
In general, if a field F is an infinite field and V is a vector space over F, with |V|>|F|, then V has dimension |V| over F.
However, it's impossible to write an explicit isomorphism between them, because it basically requires finding Q-bases.
 
tohecz
tohecz
12:11 AM
@egreg so without AC, you cannot prove they're isomorphic, right?
 
egreg
egreg
@tohecz Yes; possibly a weaker form of AC, since we need only 2^\omega
 
tohecz
tohecz
@egreg anyways, I should go to bed, so good night
 
egreg
egreg
@tohecz AC is equivalent to "every vector space has a basis", IIRC
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@tohecz have a good trip (anywhere interesting)
 
tohecz
tohecz
@egreg I know, actually the book I just take with me to Paris contains this
 
egreg
egreg
12:13 AM
@tohecz Have a good trip!
 
tohecz
tohecz
@DavidCarlisle Paris, it is nice there, but the French bureaucracy drives me crazy!
 
leo
leo
@egreg the magic wand
 
tohecz
tohecz
@egreg btw, I would never believe to need functional analysis in automata theory
 
egreg
egreg
@leo That would be useful in many situations. :)
 
leo
leo
@tohecz do you do? (that's interesting!)
 
tohecz
tohecz
12:15 AM
@leo yes, I do (if that was meant as a question)
 
leo
leo
@tohecz cool!!
@egreg sometimes it's a hammer
 
tohecz
tohecz
@leo the more I dig myself in mathematics, the more happy I am that I studied something different from what I do research in
 
leo
leo
but I don't have problem in use hammers
 
tohecz
tohecz
but well, I gotta go to bed now, so have a nice time and bye!
 
egreg
egreg
@leo Sometimes it's interesting to know if one can do more delicately than smashing the problem on its head with a hammer.
 
leo
leo
12:19 AM
@tohecz math is nice. Functional analysis is nice. If you take a good course in Linear Algebra, you can appreciate the FA
@egreg yes. But sometimes the thing becomes pretty hard
and it can be a two line proof with AC
But I like constructions, some of them are very ingenious
 
egreg
egreg
@leo I might have appreciated it more if the FA notes didn't have proofs in pure Bourbaki style: Banach-Steinhaus theorem had its proof in the following form. (a) -> (b) Proposition A.B, (b) -> (c) Theorem C.D, (c) -> (a) Lemma E.F (where A B C D E F were some numbers nobody could recall nor find them because Lemmas, Theorems and Propositions had their own numbering)
Well, good night all!
 
leo
leo
@egreg bad style! I have seen that in a french book of ODEs
 
 
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Gnintendo
Gnintendo
1:29 AM
man
I'm really starting to like Linux Libertine
I kind of prefer it over lmodern (even in my math notes)
although lmodern is still used for the actual math, obviously
 
Gnintendo
Gnintendo
1:59 AM
does \ordinatedate from the datetime package not work for anybody else?
it just spits the number back out without the ordinal?
 
Gnintendo
Gnintendo
2:09 AM
is there a good way to visually offset my personal notes/comments from what I got directly from the professor?
 
leo
leo
2:31 AM
weird
 
Gnintendo
Gnintendo
I finished my day 1 lecture notes: gabmedia.org/linearnotes.pdf
>.<
I haven't decided how I'm going to put my own thoughts/comments/observations in it yet, so I didn't include any :(
 
leo
leo
you can add notes to a PDF with Adobe Reader
 
Gnintendo
Gnintendo
well, I would like to do it in the document itself
but somehow offset it from the typing of the things I got straight from lecture
If anybody has any ideas on how to do this, @me and leave me a message, I'll see next time I'm on :P
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
3:37 AM
@Gnintendo todonotes package?
 
Gigili
Gigili
3:50 AM
Hello.
How can I move only one line of the document to the right?
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
Morning.
 
cmhughes
cmhughes
@Gigili flushleft?
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@Gigili Why isn't it on the left in the first place?
 
Gigili
Gigili
That is, how can I set the margin to the right for one command only?
@StephanLehmke Oops, sorry! I meant right!
@cmhughes Thanks, let me try it.
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@Gigili {\raggedleft foo\par}.
 
Gigili
Gigili
3:53 AM
\begin{frame}
We are drowning in information and starving for knowledge.
   \vspace*{10 mm}      –Rutherford D. Roger

\end{frame}
And that vspace doesn't work for me
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@Gigili Uh that's vertical space. Try \hspace.
 
Gigili
Gigili
@StephanLehmke That doesn't work either!
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
You probably also need \\ after the previous line.
 
Gigili
Gigili
Yay!
That worked, thanks a lot.
 
texenthusiast
texenthusiast
Hi, Is this link not working for me only ? ctan.org/pkg/moderncv
 
Gnintendo
Gnintendo
4:35 AM
@StephanLehmke Thanks
 
 
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tohecz
tohecz
7:05 AM
@egreg I can completely understand your frustration, as I said, I'm not doing FA, maybe for this reason, but it gives me a good tool for something
 
 
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kan
kan
8:57 AM
Good afternoon. :)
Can someone please tell me what keyword to search for if I am looking for commonly used Latin abbreviations like cf., loc cit and so on... (the typography genre, I believe).
 
JLDiaz
JLDiaz
List of Latin abbreviations
Latin was once the universal academic language in Europe. From the 18th century authors started using their mother tongue to write books, papers or proceedings. Even when Latin fell out of use, many Latin abbreviations continued to be used due to their precise simplicity and Latin's status as a learned language. All abbreviations are given with full stops, although these are omitted or included as a personal preference in most situations. {| class="wikitable sortable" border="1" |+ Latin abbreviations |- ! scope="col" | Abbreviation ! scope="col" | Latin ! scope="col" | Translation ! sc...
 
kan
kan
@JLDiaz I swear, I searched on Google.
But, Thank you for the list.
 
JLDiaz
JLDiaz
@kan Hehe, I googled "common latin abbreviations", and it was the first result
 
kan
kan
@JLDiaz I searched for "latin typographical abbreviations" and was lead to sth called Scribal abbreviations -- Greek and Latin to me.
 
egreg
egreg
@kan Adding to the list linked by @JLDiaz, "loc. cit." is "loco citato" (in the referenced/cited place); in the same way "op. cit." is "opere citato" (in the cited work), not really "the cited work", although it could be interpreted also as "opus citatum" (nominative or accusative case).
 
kan
kan
9:09 AM
@egreg Hmm, I see: some abbreviations are slightly misleading, like the last one you mention above: i.a -- inter alia (can also be interpreted in absentia)
Hello @Paulo @David :)
 
egreg
egreg
@kan The context will solve the ambiguity; in a footnote (where these abbreviations are commonly used) it will always be "inter alia".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@kan Hello!
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda @PauloCereda Good morning!
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Good morning! :)
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda Lecture time in 20 minutes. Determinants.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
9:12 AM
@egreg ooh can I attend? :)
(Analândia -> São Paulo -> Italy) < 20 minutes.
-1
A: Compiling my own mktexfmt

user24103ok, thats for your incompetent answers. Now I use this: http://makingtexwork.sourceforge.net/mtw/ch04.html

 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
 
kan
kan
@David: http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34441_1-57562323/get-ready-to-program-legos-mindstorms-ev3-robots-are-here/
@egreg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX7qBVa9cQU
@PauloCereda at Marco's speed? :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@kan Oh no we're obsolete already :(
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@kan Probably. :)
 
kan
kan
@DavidCarlisle Well, wait for next christmas? :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
9:18 AM
@PauloCereda Yes, I'd seen that
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Yay, we are incompetent! :)
I'm struggling to not downvote that answer.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda I think the questioner is missing why it's important to understand the background: compiling your own pdfTeX, etc. gets very compicated (as @egreg says)
@PauloCereda already at -1
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Yes, that was my impression.
 
egreg
egreg
@kan I too gave the interpretation of the determinant as area. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda I'm going to see what @StefanKottwitz and @MartinScharrer think about this one
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
9:21 AM
@JosephWright I'm tempted to downvote it, still. :)
 
kan
kan
I like this community because: already at -1 ⇒ do not downvote. :)
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egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda I just left a comment; I prefer to spare my votes for something that deserves them.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright That answer seems to cross the line. The answer is not only plain wrong, it does not fit our Q&A formula, and it's being rude to other people.
@egreg Comment upvoted. :)
 
kan
kan
@egreg We all agree with Arnold. :)
But, eventually, we should all read Bourbaki. :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
I want to learn German just because of KOMA.
@DavidCarlisle: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/76044/… You should add an answer to this question, there's cricket involved.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
9:38 AM
@PauloCereda The accepted answer uses tabular, don't know anything about that.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle :)
Is there a way to find out the default paper size configuration using tlmgr?
 
kan
kan
@PauloCereda tlmgr paper? :) 
Current context paper size (from /usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme): a4
Current dvipdfm paper size (from /usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf/dvipdfm/config/config): a4
Current dvipdfmx paper size (from /usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf/dvipdfmx/dvipdfmx.cfg): a4
Current dvips paper size (from /usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf/dvips/config/config.ps): a4
Current pdftex paper size (from /usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf/tex/generic/config/pdftexconfig.tex): a4
Current xdvi paper size (from /usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf/xdvi/XDvi): a4
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@kan Ah yes, thanks.
 
kan
kan
My output ^^. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
!!/answer did @tohecz get his flight?
!!/help
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
9:51 AM
@DavidCarlisle Psmith lives in my other machine, it's still off. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda I think it's living in Brazil makes him unreliable, too much sunshine or something.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
Stefan Kottwitz
Stefan Kottwitz
@PauloCereda I dealt with this non-answer before I saw the messages in the chat. At first I removed the impolite comment, modified the link text (to get beyond the characters minimum limit), then converted the link-only answer to a comment.
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
10:40 AM
@Gnintendo What language is currently in use? (\ordinaldate is language dependent.)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@StefanKottwitz Ah cool. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
Lo @PauloCereda :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot Hi Nicola! :) How are you?
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda Still waiting for my missing parcel :-( Other than that fine and dandy :-)
How about you?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot Oh the parcel. :( I hope it finally gets returned to you.
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
10:47 AM
@PauloCereda I'll have to phone them again. But I've switched to book editing which doesn't require any stationary, so that'll keep me occupied until it arrives.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot I'm fine, thanks. :) I'm a little tired of the extra work I had to do during the holidays, but it's ok. I'm still waiting for a parcel to arrive, it's a new portrait for my office. :)
@NicolaTalbot Ah good idea. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda What's it a portrait of?
(Sorry I ended that sentence on a preposition.)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot It's a big poster of the pyramid acting like a prism - Dark Side Of The Moon's cover. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda Cool. My favourite Pink Floyd is "Momentary Lapse of Reason"
 
kan
kan
@PauloCereda your home office?
(or elsewhere?)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
10:52 AM
@NicolaTalbot It's a great album. :) One of my favourite songs is in it. :)
@kan My home office. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda Which one?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot From that album, I like Dogs of War. :)
And Learning to Fly. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda I'd play it now, only I've had to stop rhythmbox because my laptop was running too slow.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot Oh. :)
Dogs of war is pretty aggressive, strong lyrics, but the harmony is fantastic. Both guitar and sax solos are awesome.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
Anyone have any thoughts on the TikZ part added to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/89745/…?
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
10:57 AM
@PauloCereda It's a big book and has to be post-processed with ghostscript to make it pdf/x compliant (which has caused problems with the images containing transparency).
@PauloCereda Yeah :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot Ah. :) I love complicated compilations. :P
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda I've had to force combine and hyperref to play nicely. It doesn't help when the authors do weird things.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot Indeed.
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda That reminds me, I still haven't done anything with your cool new code for jmakepdfx.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot Oh don't worry. I need to revisit it, probably rewrite it. :) I want to fix that bug in my code. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
11:07 AM
@PauloCereda :-)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
11:17 AM
@PauloCereda I think I need to find a way to get gs to replace transparency with white rather than black to prevent imported images with a transparent background coming out as a black rectangle.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot It's a good plan. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
Oh no moral dilemma: should I do the honourable thing like @Jake and delete an answer to a duplicated question, or should I hang on to those tikz points..... (actually I never understand that in general what one should do with answers to questions that turn out to be dup)
 
Jake
Jake
@DavidCarlisle I would do the honourable thing =)
Obviously...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Jake well yes but it's only January so it's a bit early to give up on my new year's resolution:-)
Jan 2 at 16:46, by David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha The new years resolution is to get a tikz gold badge by answering tikz question with tex primitives, picture mode, or if really pushed pstricks, doing quite well so far this year.
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@DavidCarlisle From a "site-hygienic" POV I think answers to dupes scattered across questions are a bad thing. If the answer is not a dupe of another answer it can be merged to the original question (got some archaeological badge that way :).
 
JLDiaz
JLDiaz
11:27 AM
@JosephWright See my recent answer
 
Jake
Jake
@DavidCarlisle Hehe, I see. Hm, that's a tricky situation indeed.
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@DavidCarlisle Seeing that people here are constructing circled symbols with Tikz you can get a platin badge by just going through old questions and posting a non-Tikz alternative to every TikZ answer.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
11:39 AM
Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air and deep beneath the rolling waves in labyrinths of coral caves.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Jake sob I decided to do the right thing:(
2
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@JLDiaz Great: so the TikZ case is just a need to allow for extra 'bits and pieces'
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle We are proud of you, David. :) /hugs
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
Yay, they've finally found my parcel! It's going to be delivered this afternoon :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot woohoo!
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
11:55 AM
@PauloCereda I'll have more envelopes than I can shake a stick at :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@kan ohh it runs linux! ARM9-soc running Linux on 64MB RAM and 16MB storage
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
12:29 PM
Based on questioner's comment, this can now be closed as a duplicate:
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Q: Why does tikz node parameters fail when given as a macro (set by \newcommand)?

Jukka DahlbomI have a class file which is supposed to modify the maketitle. I use TikZ nodes for placement of elements, and wish to add a background for one of the text nodes. If I add the options directly, everything works fine: \node [text width=40mm,fill=red] {Foo} However, since I want to give class u...

tikz-pgf
@JLDiaz Nice detective work.
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
1:15 PM
Sigh My document takes around 52 minutes to process (2mins latex+bibtex runs and 50mins gs to make it pdf/x compliant). And it takes up so much CPU I can't do anything else.
I think I might have to resort to tidying my office while I wait.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
1:32 PM
@NicolaTalbot Wow, that's a long time.
@JosephWright: when you have some time, can I ask a question about biblatex?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda You can always ask :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright :)
 
egreg
egreg
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@egreg :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg OMG I want!
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
1:35 PM
@egreg One duck plus one duck equals ten ducks?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Binary ducks FTW.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
Would be worse with rabbits
 
egreg
egreg
user image
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kan
kan
@JosephWright No, several bucks. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda I was thinking more One rabbit plus one rabbit equals twenty million rabbits
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
1:37 PM
@JosephWright ooh! :) Fibonacci wouldn't like of this result. :)
 
egreg
egreg
user image
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Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Henrique and I decided to create a semi-automatic analysis for the ABNT styles. We were thinking of comparing the output of the generated bibliography with a list of expected results (like a unit test). I thought of using .bbl for that task (I was expecting something like \bibitem in it, so the comparison would be smooth), but the content written by biblatex seems to separate data and style. I was wondering if I could get something close to the usual bibitem.
 
kan
kan
1:54 PM
You know you're on a slow internet connection when downloading 42KB takes nearly an hour.
 
egreg
egreg
@kan Sorry, but it was too nice!
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
I think it could be possible to add a hook when biblatex prints the bibliography to expand the \bibitem to a file...
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda The printing odes not take place by creating a \bibitem in one got: the whole business with the punctuation tracker shows that
@PauloCereda I'd go for creating a box and doing validation against that, as we do for LaTeX3
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Ah I see.
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
Sigh Why do some authors make my job take so long? I provide them with a nice easy command \floatconts{label}{caption}{contents} that typesets the float caption and contents just right but instead they faff around with stuff like center , \vspace and \newline.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
2:05 PM
@JosephWright Hm interesting, could you give me a hint on how to do that? :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda The L3 approach is to do something like \savebox the typeset material and then \showbox it with all of the tracing stuff turned up to maximum. This gives you a listing of all of the items present in your .log file, which you then need to compare against a 'known' one.
The way we do that is using a Perl script plus some batch programming.
The problem of course is doing the first check (where you need to work through the output carefully)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Ah cool. :) I'll see the L3 tests. :)
@JosephWright Not with dandelion, hopefully. :P
@JosephWright: Cloning L3 now. :)
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
2:26 PM
This one has just got to be a duplicate, but I can't find it.
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Q: An underine in the middle of a word

f.ashouriI want to write a name like LKU_IF which contains an underline. When I write it in Latex it doesn't show the result properly. Does anybody know what should I do?

formatting
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright: What would be a nice sample for me to play with? :)
I'm looking at l3trial, but the code is far too complicated for me. :P
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda Not saying L3 code is hard to read or anything but you could look at the 2e version of the same test mechanism
 
egreg
egreg
What about this being off-topic? There is no source, only the PDF
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Q: Remove all Russian symbols from a PDF under Windows

MikhailI have a very weird task. There is a compiled PDF document with guidelines on a mathematical subject. It is in Russian, hence it contains a lot of Russian symbols in plain text and a lot of mathematical symbols in formulas. Here is a short sample: I need to print this document with invisible p...

fonts pdf unicode windows
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle You are scaring me. :)
@egreg This sounds rude to Russians. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
Oh great, I've got another bug report about one of my Java apps not running under Windows :-( I'm seriously considering writing Linux-only applications. I've got no way of testing anything running on Windows.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
2:30 PM
@NicolaTalbot Would you like me to look at it? :)
 
kan
kan
@NicolaTalbot You've probably heard Paulo's quote about software and windows? :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda You're a star :-) Here's the bug report: dickimaw-books.com/cgi-bin/…
@kan Which one's that?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle The mechanism is unchanged, more or less
 
kan
kan
Dec 31 '12 at 15:19, by Paulo Cereda
A TeX distro is like an air conditioner: they stop working properly if you open windows.
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda Oh, and here's the link to the app: dickimaw-books.com/apps/jpgfdraw
@kan :-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
2:32 PM
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda I've got an experimental new version, but I haven't got around to finishing it yet.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda the l3 and 2e test suites are basically the same and developed at the same time (l3 was first actually)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Thanks, I'm working on it. :)
@NicolaTalbot I have a suggestion. :) Gimme a few minutes, I'll write an email. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle The Perl script for L3 has I think been altered slightly over time, so they may not be 100% identical now
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
2:52 PM
A little help, please: 
\newsavebox\abntbox

\savebox\abntbox{\printbibliography}
A lot of problems. :P
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda You're going to need a \parbox
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright ooh!
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda You need vmode for a list or similar, which \savebox doesn't allow
(directly)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright It works, now, thanks. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright sure (it was sed not perl once as well, but all same thing really:-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
2:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle I think it got a bit complicated
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
How do I print a box? :P
(Why do I have the feeling David will suggest me CTRL+P?)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda to the log? \showbox\abntbox
but set \showboxdepth\maxdimen \showboxwidth\maxdimen first
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle OMG! Do we have \showbox?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
!//texdef \showbox
still no bot?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
3:01 PM
@DavidCarlisle Done, sorry. :)
!!/texdef showbox
Hey!
Where's the bot?!
!!/help
!!/help
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good afternoon! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
Phew!
!!/texdef showbox 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\showbox:
\showbox
! Undefined control sequence.
l.512 \showboxwidth
                   \maxdimen
?
! Missing number, treated as zero.
<to be read again>
                   \showbox
l.513 \showbox
              \abntbox
?
! Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted).
<to be read again>
                   \showbox
l.513 \showbox
              \abntbox
We are close. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda do what I meant not what I wrote
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
\showboxbreadth\maxdimen\showboxdepth\maxdimen\errorstopmode
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
Or just use expl3 and \box_show:N :-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright I usually use {\showoutput\showbox\zzz}
 
tohecz
tohecz
3:07 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes, he did. :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
For some reason, I still get no log output. :(
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda you must get something from \showbox either a box listing or an error (unless you mean you are running it through the test harness in which case it may have been filtered out by the perl)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle I get this: 
! OK.
l.511 \showbox\abntbox

?
And only this. :)
The whole part:
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
Oh it's a void box then I think, it should say
! OK (see the transcript file).
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
\newsavebox\abntbox
\savebox\abntbox{\parbox{\textwidth}{\printbibliography}}
\showboxbreadth\maxdimen\showboxdepth\maxdimen\errorstopmode
\showbox\abntbox
@DavidCarlisle Yes it prints that. :)
Will I be killed by the box?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
3:12 PM
then in the log it prints stuff like 
\vbox(656.7+1.43495)x487.8225
.\vbox(0.0+0.0)x487.8225
..\hbox(72.27+0.0)x487.8225, glue set 451.5725fill
...\glue 0.0 plus 1.0fill
...\vbox(72.27+0.0)x36.25
....\glue -9.03374
....\hbox(81.30374+0.0)x36.25
.....\rule(81.30374+0.0)x45.75
.....\rule(*+*)x0.0
.....\penalty 10000
.....\glue -35.5
.....\glue 0.0
.....\vbox(81.30374+0.0)x26.0, glue set 31.83902fill
......\glue 9.03374
......\glue 0.0 plus 1.0fill
......\hbox(8.59196+0.0)x26.0, glue set 17.33604fill
.......\pdfcolorstack 0 push {1 g 1 G}
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Yes, it does! :)
Is it right?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda well that's what you want
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
I was expecting the expansion of my bibliography stuff. :(
Maybe I should write a proper question in the site.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda read the text vertically
here is a word and a space: 
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 s
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 e
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 c
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 t
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 e
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 t
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 u
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 e
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 r
....\glue 2.77989 plus 1.6599 minus 0.65991
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 a
....\OT1/pnc/m/n/10 d
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle OMG
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
3:15 PM
@PauloCereda You don't get a simple 'expansion': that's simply not what is happening when biblatex typesets a bibliography
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda I guess I look at that output more than I look at the pdf, seems natural enough to me:-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Same here: much easier to validate than a PDF
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle got it.
Just a tiny question.
Why does my execution halt with ! OK. ?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda that's the usual \show behaviour of a fake error message (set scrollmode and it won;t stop)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Ah I see.
Makes sense.
@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle: thanks for your help. It seems my parser will be way funnier than I was expecting. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
3:19 PM
@PauloCereda by default box log just goes to the log not the terminal (due to terminal speed back then and even now) but if you set \tracingonline to a positive number it will echo on the terminal as well
@PauloCereda of course the box logging format is essentially a visual representation of dvi format so an alternative to parsing that is to make dvi then use a dvidriver (eg tex4ht) to get something sane like xml that is easier to parse
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Hmmm interesting! Let me check.
 
tohecz
tohecz
Hello! Can someone test this please?
0
A: repeating argument text in a newenvironment

toheczI was not able to install minted, but the following should work. The environment has one optional argument with implicit value align, this specifies the math environment used. \documentclass{article} \usepackage{environ} % needed! \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage{minted} \NewEnviron{eqnexample...

 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
oh maybe I deleted my tikz rep unnecessarily, just saw No need to penalize the answerers by deleting their contribution. meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/3160/…
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Bring it back. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@tohecz I don't have minted either but I assume it won;t work as it's essentially verbatim, you need to grab th ebody verbatim then \scantokens it to get the version that executes. (I think)
 
tohecz
tohecz
3:27 PM
@DavidCarlisle btw, someone's posted an almost identical copy of my answer just now
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@tohecz well maybe minted doesn't require verbatim input (never tried it:-)
 
egreg
egreg
@tohecz Sorry, but it can't work
 
tohecz
tohecz
@egreg ok, I'll delete it then.
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
I wish Father Christmas had given me a super-fast computer and Internet connection for Christmas. Maybe I was too naughty last year.
 
egreg
egreg
3:51 PM
@tohecz It can't work mostly because line breaks are lost when you absorb the environment's contents with environ.
 
tohecz
tohecz
Do you hate it as well when you make an edit only to be told that "the other edit 1 minute ago was more substantial", only to find out that it was not? You gotta love automata
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Clever
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
4:11 PM
@PauloCereda I've uploaded the experimental version to dickimaw-books.com/expl if you're interested in playing with it.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Our David. :)
@NicolaTalbot I'll take a look. :)
@NicolaTalbot: do you use GTalk?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright well not actually done that of course, I leave the implementation details to @PauloCereda
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda No, I haven't. I thought from the name it might be a gnu version of talk, which I used years ago, but I see the g is for google. I'll have a look at it now my laptop's got a bit more responsive.
@PauloCereda Do I need a camera?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Actually, it's just a widget that appears in your Gmail inbox. :)
@NicolaTalbot Nope. :) It's just a textual chat. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda Ooh, I don't usually look at that. I use thunderbird to manage all my mail accounts.
@PauloCereda Just as well, I don't have a webcam :-)
 
user19161
4:21 PM
Hi @nicola. The last time we talked was about how soup got onto your glasses.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot Ah ok. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@JasperLoy Oh, I remember that. I managed to eat it without making a mess today :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot: Let's try another approach then. :)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@PauloCereda Oh, I think I've found the chat button.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@NicolaTalbot I created a chatroom: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/7023/…
:)
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
4:25 PM
@PauloCereda Oh, that's easier.
 
 
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Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
5:37 PM
!!/help
Uh-oh.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good afternoon! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
!!/cricket
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Jharkhand 401/10  v Punjab 150/1 *
- Saurashtra 469/10  v Karnataka 396/10 *
- Mumbai 645/9  v Baroda 167/5 *
- Services 116/5 &  263/10 * v Uttar Pradesh 134/10 &  241/10
- Central Zone (Bangladesh) 231/4 * v East Zone (Bangladesh)
- South Zone (Bangladesh) 5 * v North Zone (Bangladesh) 291/10
- Nondescripts Cricket Club 222/9  v Sinhalese Sports Club 223/3 *
- Delhi 295/4 * v England XI 294/5
- Barbados v Jamaica
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda good job Psmith didn't notice today's tour match: Delhi beat England XI by 6 wickets
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Oh no!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda correction it is there in the middle of the list, I didn't notice it:(
 
egreg
egreg
5:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle So, how do you deduce "6 wickets" from 295/4 and 294/5? /me scratching head
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg LOL
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
6:06 PM
@egreg Well it's a one-day, so not so easy to follow
@egreg The key thing to know is that there are potentially 11 wickets available (that's the small number after the / in the English way of giving the score)
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
6:19 PM
Hello everyone.
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@Alenanno Hi :-)
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@NicolaTalbot Hey! :)
I have a small problem... I have a Tikzpicture like this, but... if I insert a node, the whole thing moves to the right (cutting part of the graph)... T_T I tried artificially moving the whole picture to the left but apart from the fact that I failed, I'd like to know why a small node would push a whole picture. :|
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Alenanno Aloha.
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@PauloCereda Hi!
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@Alenanno Are you just adding a node to your original mwe or with the extra code in it?
 
texenthusiast
texenthusiast
6:32 PM
@PauloCereda Is this answer appropriate here at Tex.Sx tex.stackexchange.com/a/89907/15717
@PauloCereda there are many posts made now with the same content
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@texenthusiast Let's call backup. :)
@JosephWright, @MartinScharrer, @StefanKottwitz: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/8021/…
We have some unusual answer here. :)
 
Silex
Silex
@PauloCereda Nice :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Silex Think of Joseph coming with a AK-47, Martin with a rocket launcher and Stefan with some frag grenades. :)
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@NicolaTalbot I have eveything set up and I only need to add nodes. When I try, just adding one node it pushes everything to the side... They are two nodes combined actually... :D \filldraw[fill=white, dotted] (0, 10) rectangle (4, 9) node[midway, align=center, text width=7cm]{Guerra Civile\\1321-22}; \draw[|-|] (2.1, 9) -- (2.2, 9);
I tried putting another node and it worked.
Latex always manages to surprise me. :P
 
Silex
Silex
@PauloCereda Same answer here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/83066/…
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
6:41 PM
@Silex Uh-oh.
We need heavy artillery. Where's @DavidCarlisle? :)
 
Silex
Silex
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Silex We need our mods to take a look.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda what?
 
Silex
Silex
@DavidCarlisle All answers by this user: tex.stackexchange.com/users/24150/vv-texpad
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Wehave a TeXpad developer spamming messages like crazy. I think we could neutralize him with longtable answers. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
6:47 PM
@PauloCereda well the profile only shows 3 answers which isn't really spam levels yet is it?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle All three identical answers. :)
 
texenthusiast
texenthusiast
In my view the post does not add value to the question(s), Texpad is already discussed by other users. So the Question and Answer as such are complete
without the answer from new user
 
user19161
You know, I never bothered to find out what arara is. I only know that it has something to do with Paulo. I think I should find out now...
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@Alenanno Your lower "Event" is so wide its causing a lot of padding on the left of the picture. 
        \draw[|-|] (0.8, 2) -- (0.9, 2) node[midway, above, align=center, text width=7cm]{Event};
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda I'd give him a bit of slack, if he's just signed up and looked at the backlog of mobile tex questions and given a stock answer I don't think that;s too bad (perhaps not the most helpful thing ever but compared to getting 10000 sobig emails a day as I was getting for a while it's hardly spam
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
6:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle Good point. :)
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@NicolaTalbot I'm going to show you what I was doing there... :)
So the upper dotted is that box. The lower event shows the actual year span.
I've done this successfully in another graph before.
That's why I'm a bit puzzled.
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@DavidCarlisle Well the one guy asked specifically about beamer and the answer was "coming in February". So this is helpful...
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@StephanLehmke I'm minded to leave things alone as it stands: it's not spam
What I do notice is that 'complete' here is a relative term
I'm pretty sure TeXpad is using KerTeX, which means no PDF output, no XeTeX/LuaTeX, etc.
 
Nicola Talbot
Nicola Talbot
@Alenanno I was just wondering why the bottom "Event" node needed to be so wide. If you put the entire tikzpicture inside \frame{} you can see the extra space on the left of the graph. I wondered if that was the shift you were talking about.
 
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