@DavidCarlisle Your XeTeX list message has finally arrived.

@AlanMunn It happened also to me.

@egreg There are clearly two distinct use cases when lots of comments show up, but SE didn't think of the 'clueless newbie' one, I guess.

@egreg Should I delete the \parbox solution to the justification question? I don't want to encourage bad practice, or is the warning you gave in the comment sufficient to leave it around?

@AlanMunn Really. People in SO usually have some programming background; here we have also noobs who have just switched from the-program-I-don't-mention-the-name-of.

@AlanMunn I guess you can leave it, maybe adding the comment to the answer.

@egreg I've made it more explicit what the limitation is and pointed towards Herbert's answer as a better solution. Thanks.

@AlanMunn I said "limitation/feature" for a purpose. :)

Duplicate as per comment

@AlanMunn what's the answer:-) (there may be a flurry of bold font questions on that list coming up:-)

@DavidCarlisle You're almost as bad as me and my bizarre questions to the mailing lists :-)

@DavidCarlisle My most recent obscure question had the "it works in the development version of XeTeX" answer.

@AlanMunn Always a good comeback

@AlanMunn There have been a lot of fixes recently

@AlanMunn :-)

@AlanMunn and my reply from Khaled is:...

This is already fixed in the development version, it now returns:

@DavidCarlisle :-) Saw that

@JosephWright Of course the format of \meaning is now different to that used by luatex :(

@DavidCarlisle The universal answer.

@JosephWright: did you see the opening sequence from yesterday's Family Guy episode? :)

@PauloCereda No: I've never seen it

@JosephWright I'll give you a hint:

@JosephWright: youtube.com/watch?v=pnABPB2_NaA

@PauloCereda Cool

ouya.tv Beware of the crazy woman with the Jim Carry eyebrow.

@PauloCereda If I'm not mistaken there are no predefined chapter styles in KOMA-script. At least there's no hint to any, neither in scrguide nor in the KOMA-Script book

@cgnieder Oh. :( I could not find any mention in the manual. Still, it's a fantastic bundle. Thanks. :)

@PauloCereda I agree. It isn't too complicated to get custom chapters like e.g. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/88895/… with KOMA, either

@cgnieder Great answer (it's now in my to-upvote list)! I might take a better look at KOMA. So far, I'm in love with it. :)

@PauloCereda Thanks! It is probably the only LaTeX bundle that has its own forum: komascript.de :) (unfortunately in German only)

@cgnieder OMG

I need to learn German.

@PauloCereda You have to move to Antônio Carlos in SC ipol.org.br/upload/Image/lei1.jpg.

@AlanMunn How do I pronounce that?

@SearchExperts. Can anyone find anything like the following code as an answer to a question on the main site? (It's in my directory of TeX-SX answers but I didn't add a link to an actual question so it might not be there. Couldn't find anything with inbuilt search or external search but I'm no expert in these matters.)

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}

\makeatletter
\newcount\subpic@id
\tikzset{
  subpicture/.style={
    local bounding box=subpic@bb,
    initialise subpicture,
    execute at end scope={%
      \subpic@relocate{#1}%
    }
  },
  initialise subpicture/.code={%
    \advance\subpic@id by 1\relax
    \global\subpic@id=\subpic@id
    \edef\subpic@thisid{\the\subpic@id}%
    \pgfutil@ifundefined{subpic@shift@\subpic@thisid}{}{%
      \csname subpic@shift@\subpic@thisid\endcsname
      \pgfkeysalso{shift={(\the\pgf@x,\the\pgf@y)}}%

@AndrewStacey Does any of these help? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/89264/… :: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/54118/… :: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/47377/… ::

:: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/39103/…

could not find a precise answer.

@AndrewStacey A search for 'subpic' doesn't return anything. Nor in chat.

@PauloCereda The first of those is why I'm asking! Thanks for looking, and @AlanMunn too. Yet another case of an answer needing a question ...

@PauloCereda [hunzrʏkɪʃ] (but I don't know if IPA helps you.)

@AlanMunn Follow-up question: how do I pronounce that now? :P

@PauloCereda Like Hunsrückisch in German. :)

@AlanMunn There's a chainsaw brand named Husqvarna. Am I close? :P

@PauloCereda They're Swedish, so I doubt it. :P

@AlanMunn Oh no. :P

@PauloCereda Hunsrückisch: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunsr%C3%BCckisch

@cgnieder Oh! :) Seems complicated. :)

A course in Coursera seems to tell me that I SHOULD BY ALL MEANS have access to matlab, will I be good with just octave (and Sage)?

@kan Sadly, no. :( Octave is a close call, but no guarantees.

@PauloCereda OK. I'll see if I can get my institute to buy Matlab for me (of course, from the contingency grant, I get).

@kan I successfully ran Matlab code with Octave once, but it's not a smooth transition. You might hear @percusse or @TorbjørnT.'s opinions, they are Matlab experts.

@PauloCereda I'm hardly an expert on Matlab, and I've only tried some very small stuff in Octave.

@kan I think, that while much Matlab code will run in Octave, not everything will, so depending on what you're doing you may be OK, or you may get stuck pretty quick. This is not based on any deep knowledge on the matter though, so a google search will probably give you better answers.

@TorbjørnT. Exactly. The Octave team has done a lot of improvements to support Matlab's code, but some stuff might not work.

@kan On the other hand though, it depends a little bit on what you're after. Python & co (Sage) can probably do pretty much anything Matlab can, but there will of course be a lot of extra work if you have to translate everything to Python. With Octave there will be less work.

@kan Anyways, as the course is built around Matlab, obtaining Matlab will make it easier to follow the course.

Hmmm... OK, but, seriously, there must be alternatives you know, I receive 3000 Rupees. every year for my contingency while just this piece of software is about $100 for students (approx. 5000 Rupees)

@kan Trial license?

@PauloCereda The Matlab webpage says: trial version is not available for students.

Now, this is getting complicated: what's the difference between academic use and student use of Matlab? Can someone please tell me what should I buy, if I do so?

@kan Don't buy it. Spend your money on your own time. Sounds weird but learning to code together with LAPACK backend will save you thousands later. Matlab is old and tired.

There are many people who are incredibly busy with porting everything to anything else. So it's good to learn a new language these days.

Also don't forget the bloggers who are just publishing code on daily basis.

finally I'm not an expert too. Similar to TikZ I'm a power user but I can't be considered as a TeX expert.

Thank you so much, makes me cheerful, you know! If you read through the transcript, you'll see I was lamenting about the financial constraints.

@kan Matlab, Octave etc. are not Solidworks or Maya or anything that you can't understand in finite amount of time. If you are into numerical algebra and related stuff you already know many issues going behind the scenes. The rest is optimization and numerical well-conditioning. So if you don't look for ultra-precision then you don't need someone wrap LAPACK for you for thousands of currency.

If you actually require that well-conditioning and numerical expertise, again matlab can not offer you that. Buy a library from David Carlisle and his company instead with proper customer support.

@kan By the way. which course was it for?

@TorbjørnT. Scientific Computing , taught by Nathan Kutz.

@percusse I fall in this category.

@kan So you will be mostly following Golub and Van Loan right?

@percusse Right! (I am going to self read this book, while the course follows his own lecture notes)

@kan requiring MATLAB for this course is pragmatic I get that but a lot of kitten will die.

And, more importantly, my course work at the institute, this semester has a course called numerical analysis.

:-)

@percusse "a lot of kitten will die"? Funny but I am afraid I don't get the reference:)

@kan Well, since this is your coursework and not your own work. I can't really suggest you something towards the off-beaten track. You have to pass these courses and it's best you stick with matlab.

if you have access to it.

@egreg tru dat

@kan memegenerator.net/God-Kills-A-Kitten

@percusse Well, I have no clue what my course work will consist of, the instructor is a visiting professor so no idea.

@kan otherwise torrent it is.

heheh

any beamer insiders here?

@tohecz The plain.bst style has "In " format.editors * ", " * booktitle emphasize * (apart from the fact that it doesn't want the editor field if author is present).

@bloodworks Depends how inside.

@AlanMunn ship out control

@bloodworks Not that inside, I'm afraid. @JosephWright is one of the maintainers, and is usually around.

@AlanMunn i was hoping for him to be here ;)

@tohecz That's beyond my (limited) knowledge of "the BeaST"; but format.btitle is already in the caller function inbook

OK I hate matlab and all that but still I really don't get academia using matlab and paying that much money to campus licenses. They have a full working CS department inventing their own coding language every 5 years and lots of MSc students willing to code anything. Such a waste

@egreg this was the suggested modification of inbook

@tohecz I see. Maybe. But without the complete bst file for testing it's only divination.

@egreg but without the full file it's impossible

I thought it's simpler, but it's not

@percusse It's more complicated than that. There's also lots of "communities of practice" effects in journals etc. where certain tools become de facto standards. But as we've seen with R, this can change if there's a big enough community behind an open source alternative.

@AlanMunn I mean we can't have this many theoreticians that's for sure. Somebody needs to test these things out.

Who does that?

@percusse Well, I agree!

Sage, as far as I know is becoming well-known in the "pure" math circles.

@percusse You don't get grant money for testing stuff. (Not saying it's a good thing, just a fact.)

@AlanMunn I've received a paper who put 10^{-11} m. plots for a robot simulation. It's picometers man come on. It's a humanoid.

@percusse I love inventing languages and useless tools. :)

@PauloCereda You are a king of convenience.

@percusse Many theses and master projects are "useless"

@percusse Oh this idea is rampant in academia. It's the cause of vast amounts of useless spending. And it discourages people to save money. Here at least, with respect to department budgets, you're not allowed to carry over money from one year to another. But if you save some money in one year, your budget for the next will be cut since you "didn't need it".

@percusse Guy that proved Fermat's Last Theorem?

@percusse +1 for quoting Weil.

@PauloCereda Noooooooooo

That's Andrew Wiles.

@kan Ouch true, Andrew Wiles.

Actually, Taniyama-Shimura conjecture. :)

@kan I can only quote but not even close to understand his work.

While we are at it, meet Mr. Weyl, the symmetry man :)

It's like bourbaki and BBQ

and other permutations

@AlanMunn The weird thing is that if you actually do "useless" stuff the grants come in naturally because the industry rediscover the relevance of mathematics.

so it's a complete contrapositive

@AlanMunn Money! Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie.

@kan Here's some budget 'cutting', Kurt Weil style. youtube.com/watch?v=aPG9GcykPIY

(a Pink Floyd reference)

@PauloCereda Telling us spoils the fun. Also, we're not that uncultured. :)

@AlanMunn That's true. :)

@AlanMunn maybe I am. Because now I realize that I've never wondered what a Floyd is. Care to spoil it for me?

@AlanMunn After all, you can try it if you like but you'd far better not-a, 'cause the cold in the cooler will get hotter as a rule-a. :)

@percusse ??? Floyd is just a name, not a thing. And I'm assuming you know that Pink Floyd is a band :)

Floyd Cramer.

@PauloCereda Ooh, I'm hot. (That's because I've been working.)

@AlanMunn LMAO

@AlanMunn Oh I didn't know that person is the reference to the name. It's a good day today :)

@PauloCereda Thanks. I should develop my Floyd-fu.

I can only play the songs from first to last :)

@percusse Hey Macarena!

@percusse According to Wikipedia the name comes from "the given names of two blues musicians whose Piedmont blues records Barrett had in his collection, Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. "

@AlanMunn shhh, Roger Waters might hear and sue you. :)

@PauloCereda Macarena is soo 1998 ?! Have a go with this youtube.com/watch?v=JqYhuwu614Y

@percusse Oh my!

Chances are, your chances are awfully good.

@PauloCereda Believe or not I've been forced to play this live in a party. I never got that much ....feedback.... even if I've played Chick Korea stuff.

@percusse OMG

@percusse: Wait for my trip to NL then we can perform some Chick Corea. :)

@PauloCereda Cool, let me put the beers in the refrigerator then.

@percusse :)

None of that makes sense to me. Does this mean, I am "uncultured"? :P

@kan It means time to go out a little more :)

@percusse :)

@percusse That's enough to make me agree with @egreg on all things musical. :)

@AlanMunn Have I told you that I went to a concert of the band Swedish Mafia House or something? I couldn't hear two consecutive notes that might give me some idea about which song they are playing.

Make no mistake playing refers to pressing some buttons and then jumping on the stage.

I can't quote anything from Anoushka Shankar right now.

@percusse Plus ça change.

@AlanMunn What next Tubular Bells ?

:-)

@AlanMunn :)

does anybody know "State of Play"? is it worth to stay awake?

@PauloCereda My favorite dude playing Vigier youtube.com/watch?v=ZjEGtUXGWa0

@percusse Do you also like Jeff Beck: youtube.com/watch?v=VC02wGj5gPw

Tal Wilkenfeld is simply amazing.

hi all!

@cgnieder thanks!

@AlanMunn How can't I like Jeff Beck?

@percusse I don't know. There are certain people known to us here who probably don't. :)

@AlanMunn The same people who steal our precious TikZ points right?

@AlanMunn Dark side of the moon.

@AlanMunn Never heard of Tal Wilkenfeld before. Awesome recording!

@cgnieder She was only 22 or so when that was made. I think she has one album of her own and lots of collaborations with others.

@cgnieder now:

should work

@leo with the same restrictions (the unexpected feature ;) ) as yesterday, but yes

@cgnieder I'll try it and let you know. Thanks :-)

@AlanMunn Indeed: Ritenour, Beck, Hancock, ...

@bloodworks I do the maintenance, if that helps (well, technically I assist Vedran but in reality it's mainly me)

@JosephWright cool tex.stackexchange.com/questions/88121/…

i started reading the beamer frame composing code today for the first time

@bloodworks As you say, the logo is in the 'background' (same as PowerPoint, really!)

@bloodworks I wouldn't recommend it! I'm afraid I'm not a big fan of the internal structure of beamer, although I am willing to look after it in the absence of another volunteer

@JosephWright hehe... so i asked myself why?

@bloodworks When Till gave up looking after beamer, there were several bugs that really needed fixing. Vedran and I both said we'd cover that at least, so have ended up with the job.

@JosephWright i somehow understand why it should be under the foot, but also 'under' the content?

@bloodworks I've not looked at this, but my guess is that Till treated the logo as part of the 'background' of a slide. As I say, that's also what the graphical tools in the same area (e.g. PowerPoint) would do.

@JosephWright yeah i was quite happy when i noticed that you both took over beamer, since i belive till is rather busy

I think most people expect their 'content' to be the priority on a slide: I've seen many talks where some logo gets half-covered by more important stuff :-)

@bloodworks I mainly fix bugs, but will add stuff if it's not too much work

@JosephWright sometimes hard to understand a genius.. i tired ones to to read a paper of him... i had no success

@bloodworks In the case of the beamer code the problems are different: I do understand TeX coding, and see lots of issues :-(

@bloodworks If you want really mind-bending, try l3galley or xor :-)

@bloodworks Or Bruno Le Floch's l3regex!

@JosephWright you don`t like the code to much then? ;)

@bloodworks There are issues, and several of them can't be fixed without breaking things. Also, not much in the way of comments.

Right, have to dash: flying visit tonight (and probably tomorrow night as well)

@bloodworks beamer indeed looks like something in the absence of pgfkeys. The key value system and graphics are not quite as robust as tikz stuff.

although it relies on PGF, much happened to Tikz but not much to beamer

@percusse but it's still the best ... as far as i'm concerned but i sometimes just don't understand why beamer is doing things like it does

and it takes me hours to understand the code;)

@bloodworks you can also see a lot of design choices of TikZ did not find any chance to penetrate into beamer code. It needs a massive overhaul.

@percusse if i could i would provide my time....

@bloodworks tempting isn't it :)

@percusse i wouldn't be a big help

but yes someday i need to improve my tex skill and for me the onliest way is a real project.

@bloodworks Indeed it would be beneficial

@egreg Another anxious coder who underestimates the monster.

@percusse Yes. Unaware of font problems, and so on.

@percusse Why not implementing C in Javascript? ;-)

@egreg lol

haven't see it this

@leo has happened to me now with xfrac too

@leo It seems a problem with the server

@egreg yes. If someone update his package how much time takes to see the update reflected in my local mirror?

@leo I usually look here: tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/texmf-dist/…

Or here: feed://rss.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.ctan.announce

@leo If your browser doesn't understand feed, you can look here: blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.ctan.announce

There's also

!!/CTAN

I mean, when Psmith is not asleep.

@egreg :-) I see

@leo The first one is the official repository for TeX Live, so you can see what gets updated.

well, IEEEtran is updated.

@egreg Now I'm in a old computer with only about 3GB left. So I'm using miktex

@leo At miktex.org there's the list of recent updates

@egreg who does the updates? the authors update their package on CTAN and then the updates are done for TeXLive and MiKTeX or the authors must upload to the TeXLive and MiKTeX servers their updates manually?

@leo Both distributions check on CTAN to see whether there's some update.

@egreg I see

what is verbose output mode?

@leo There is some automated script in TeX Live, but also manual intervention by Karl Berry or others; for MiKTeX I really don't know.

@leo Where did you find that?

@egreg In here

@leo Usually this means that the program writes a good deal of information on the terminal window during its run.

@egreg oh okay. It's good then

from Latin verbosus "wordily" or "copious"

!!/ctan

@egreg Oops. :)

!!/ctan

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last CTAN news:

- New on  CTAN: tikzinclude (delayed announcement) (Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:54:30 GMT)
- CTAN Update: progressbar (Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:48:18 GMT)
- New on CTAN: threadcol (Mon, 07 Jan 2013 06:47:09 GMT)
- New on CTAN: sa-tikz (delayed announcement) (Mon, 07 Jan 2013 00:19:48 GMT)
- CTAN update: tikzscale (delayed announcement) (Mon, 07 Jan 2013 00:17:01 GMT)
- New on CTAN: xpicture (delayed announcement) (Mon, 07 Jan 2013 00:10:01 GMT)

@PauloCereda That was for @leo

@egreg Oh. :)

thanks. @egreg I like that way

!!/answer what has tohecz forgotten?