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A: IRC access for the chat?

update: initial author isn't working on this anymore (last commit was 2010) As Andy E's head mentioned, I've started to create an IRC interface for the SO chat. The current state of the code is on Github: http://github.com/ghewgill/soirc It's all ugly, nascent, fragile code right now but I expe...

the hug gun? RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!

I may very well fork that.

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@badp *shoots in your direction *

@Fluttershy Consider me the fourth person asking you for that (= only consider me if three people don't otherwise ask for it). While I'm curious about it and might play a game or two, I don't foresee myself playing it much more than that. (Honestly, you'd be better off trading the game on tf2outpost.)

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no running from the hug gun. It is Special and magical and hugs are yay.

7:03 PM

@AshleyNunn ninja poof

@badp I didn't realise DotA 2 invites were a rare commodity.

I've been given so many of them I kinda assumed demand was waning.

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Oh, only two. That's disappointing.

@ArdaXi I have seen quite a few flying around on steamgifts, but so long as they go to people actually willing to play the game "for reals" then they're invites better "spent." Besides, if you have ever installed the DOTA 2 spectator client, Steamgifts thinks you own the game...

Meh. I got my DotA 2 invite ages ago. I still haven't played a proper game.

I mean, Valve is still selling hefty amount of money for the privilege of playing here and now

The threshold for playing is really, really high for new players.

7:07 PM

I wouldn't expect anything else

This is frikkin' DOTA we're talking about! :P

Jerlong Kerbin is not amused with his Interstella 5555 inspired ship...

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I'm listening to Green Day's Espionage, and I could swear I was listening to the TF2 theme.

@TrentHawkins I'm thinking his isBadass flag got set to False

@TrentHawkins I told him you could get planes into space!

Oh, that's a rocket.

Less cool.

Man, after I finish Afterlight, I have to get back into modding KSP.

7:10 PM

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Q: What's the fastest way to level up in Halo 4 Multiplayer?

What's the fastest way to level up (gain spartan points?) in Halo 4 Multiplayer? What game types are most effective? Does using different weapons help you level up?

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Q: Steam and the recently played games jump list

I've had steam installed for a long time now and have had no problems. Recently it keeps forgetting my recently played games and only displays a single game (Age of Empires Online) there, where normally it would show several. I'm talking about the list of games at the top of the menu when you c...

@fbueckert I need to finish Afterlight.

It's getting really mentally draining to play.

@GnomeSlice Have you run into Matriarchs yet?

@fbueckert No.

@GnomeSlice You will have fun with them.

I've seen Captains, Spiders, Shamen, and Alchemists, though.

All at once, even.

7:11 PM

@GnomeSlice Oh, you haven't seen Rollers, Worms, or Chiefs yet.

Can't beat that mission.

@fbueckert I've seen all of those.

Or Martians, for that matter. They're a whole other race.

Only seen Chief once.

No martians though.

But I think I'm getting close.

I've had the 'the Martians are still alive!' dialoge.

You're nowhere near the end of the game. :P

Didn't think so.

I'm finding it really hard to beat my missions now.

7:13 PM

@GnomeSlice Gear upgrade. You'll coast for a bit, then run into something else big and mean.

@fbueckert Gear 'upgrade'?

I've got most of my guys wearing Heavy Armor, and I can make Life Support armor.

Heavy suits?

@GnomeSlice Get better stuff.

@GnomeSlice Yup

I finally got Heavy suits, and I'm training everyone to wear them. They can't run in them though.

My Reticulan soliders are fucking useless.

7:14 PM

I have the Force-Field add-on, too, but I need more resources before I can produce them.

@GnomeSlice They're awesome against other Reticulans.

@fbueckert Mine aren't.

And with the right training, they're your ranged medics.

@GnomeSlice They're good for detecting other Reticulans. Mine can detect them halfway across a map.

That is something I liked about my Reticulan medic, but he seems to arbitrarily decide to just not heal people.

He just stands there even when I order him to help them.

@fbueckert Do you have two separate squads you alternate?

I never have enough people for that, and I always have to wait till my one squad is completely healed.

@GnomeSlice I've made somewhere around a half-dozen squads now, each with a specific loadout for various missions.

Build more Hospital Wings.

@fbueckert But do your people overlap?

I have four hospital wings.

7:18 PM

@GnomeSlice Quite a bit.

Hah! Going to catch Mun before a single complete Kerbin orbit.

@fbueckert Ah, okay.

@TrentHawkins Argh, I'm still trying to get back into Mun orbit from a Kerbin orbit...

@GnomeSlice I also have a couple drones with dual weapons going, too.

@fbueckert My drones seem to die almost immediately.

I need to give Pauline some robot repair kits.

She's apparently also my most experienced soldier.

@GnomeSlice They're a bit fragile; always have a technician around to repair them.

7:19 PM

94% accuracy with snapshot. That's more than her 92% accuracy when she actually aims.

Three shots a second.

3.3*

Screw this, I can't get a transfer orbit.

How the hell do you make your orbits intersect at just the right point.

@GnomeSlice To transfer to Mun?

@fbueckert Yes.

@GnomeSlice You burn prograde at periapsis. Repeat until apoapsis is close to Mun's altitude. Wait.

@fbueckert 'Wait until they meet up' doesn't seem right.

I have it intersecting at the right DISTANCE...

@GnomeSlice Also ensure your orbit is along Kerbin's equator.

7:22 PM

It is.

@GnomeSlice Then what's the problem?

I've gone around tons of times and haven't met up with the Mun yet, the two bodies are always in the wrong place along their orbits.

When I use the fastest time speed I completely miss it when it DOES line up.

@GnomeSlice Are you orbiting in the same direction as Mun? That'll take longer.

@fbueckert Ah... yeah

@GnomeSlice And there's your problem. Patience, young padawan.

7:24 PM

The tutorial said to try to get it 45 degrees ahead of the Mun in its orbit

Aha!

@GnomeSlice Sounds about right. That means fudging with your periapsis and apoapsis until you get the right angles.

That worked. I shrunk my orbit back to a circular kerbin orbit and then tried to re extend it in a different direction. I'm seeing the transfer thing now, on my first try.

OH SNAP

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@fbueckert Awesome, directly into stable Mun orbit.

Ah, why did it change.

It wasn't sure, it flickered back to escape orbit, then back to the stable one, and now it's Mun escape again

@GnomeSlice Nicely done.

@GnomeSlice It's still too far out to calculate accurately.

Or you're right on the edge of two different scenarios.

@fbueckert Yeah, it was right on the edge of escape too, I burned a little to get it to think it was going to be a stable orbit

I'll just retroburn at the mun thing now

Argh, did the arrow keys always control the camera?

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7:30 PM

@fbueckert One more question, what's a good orbit height to being a landing approach at?

@GnomeSlice Anything that doesn't allow you to escape Mun's gravity.

Just remember that 0 meters != ground.

Does my little 'horizon line' ball thing at the bottom change to the Mun's orientation, or is it still based on Kerbin?

@GnomeSlice Once you're orbiting Mun, it changes.

Retroburn means in relation to Mun's orbit.

26,000 metres circular orbit. Nice.

Fucking didn't save this ship in my editor though.

I was working on it and didn't save the last revision, which is this one.

gonnadie....

7:34 PM

@GnomeSlice It autosaves.

@TrentHawkins Terminal velocity and no fuel?

@fbueckert Oh, so that's 'autosaved ship'? Nice.

Because I just loaded THIS ship and it didn't have the revisions.

@GnomeSlice Indeed.

Gah, even still, I don't think It's going to make it back to a Kerbin landing.

It still needs another booster stage... argh

@GnomeSlice .18 is adding docking and simplified resource transfer.

gifs in chat make my browser cry

7:37 PM

@fbueckert Oh... no... plenty of fuel. 4 tanks left. I was attempting a horizontal landing. gave a bit too much thrust, and then forced to try to land at 450m/s

I'll be launching a massive space station in bits and pieces and knocking them together.

@TrentHawkins Whoops. That's a little too fast.

oops too much retroburn

@GnomeSlice You're trying to land are you not?

@fbueckert Yes

I started rising again though

AH FUCK

I LOOKED AWAY TO ANSWER YOU

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DAMMIT

@fbueckert Yeah, was trying to retrograde some vertical speed, but was at too low an angle, no room to abort. The cockpit survived the initial impact and almost made it into a LOW orbit.

7:40 PM

Well, fuck that, I was going to make it.

@badp I'll consider you the third. I don't see anyone else wanting it. And I think @FAE has some copies she wants to get rid of, too, but I'm not entirely sure.

@GnomeSlice You're on the Mun!

Congratulations!

@fbueckert I made it in the scenario too.

I would have landed this one if I hadn't looked away

@GnomeSlice Scenarios don't count.

@Fluttershy Well I thought I'd be honest about it :)

7:40 PM

@fbueckert Yeah, I know.

But I can do it.

My ship is really ugly though

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I'm thinking one of the mods I'll be adding in .18 is fuel production from electricity. Only for my space station, though, as otherwise it's far too easy.

@GnomeSlice Three stage that sucker.

@fbueckert Another stage of solids??

@GnomeSlice No, liquid fuel as second stage.

@fbueckert It has one.

Solids should be right at the bottom.

7:43 PM

It goes solid, solid, liquid, liquid.

@GnomeSlice Oh, you're working from outside in.

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@fbueckert Yes... so I can eject them.

Yeah, throw another stage into the middle; the solids will carry them into the upper atmosphere.

@fbueckert There IS, look.

And I don't have any space to put anything new on it. =[

Those liquids you can see aren't my final stage.

@GnomeSlice And that's why you build top down.

7:44 PM

@fbueckert I did.

I'd recommend adding some more fuel tanks, then.

My second stage is heavy enough that I have to burn my liquids at full blast with the solid boosters in order to lighten enough to keep up velocity.

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Argh, taking it apart means I'm going to have to re-do all of those supporting struts...

@GnomeSlice And you can make to to Mun, but not back, right?

@fbueckert Not sure. My last stage has three of the super efficient rockets, on... er, well these fuel tanks:

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By the time I landed, the large one was nearly depleted, it had around 100 fuel left in it.

Each of the small ones has 200

But those engines are extremely efficient. It might have actually made it back.

I also wasted a bunch fucking around with my transfer orbit.

@GnomeSlice I'd recommend not worrying about getting back to Kerbin until you can successfully land on Mun.

Because that's your next challenge.

7:51 PM

@fbueckert That was my current challenge.

And I would have done it if I'd been watching, I thought I was higher.

@GnomeSlice No, your current challenge is landing on Mun.

Your next challenge is to get back.

This rocket is so ugly though, it's like a short, fat little... thing.

I need a new one.

@GnomeSlice You're going to keep stepping back if you keep redesigning because you think it's ugly.

@fbueckert Usually my rockets are works of art.

They just don't work terribly well...

@GnomeSlice Mine's practical. Does the job. And isn't completely ugly, either.

7:53 PM

Mine is hideous.

It's going to be SUCH a workhorse once .18 drops.

I wish you could put decouplers on backwards. i.e. when it disengages, it leaves nothing behind, and the decoupler falls off with the debris.

@GnomeSlice Too much aesthetic value thinking. Get the thing working first.

Then download mods that do that.

It works.

It's just hideous.

@GnomeSlice For me, that's fine.

7:57 PM

But I'd like it to have a little more fuel once it reaches orbit.

@GnomeSlice So add more fuel.

@fbueckert It's built pretty compactly, there's no room.

@GnomeSlice And that's why you build top down.

Not from the center out, like you did.

@fbueckert I did

And yeah, I know, it's too wide.

You always tell me mine are too big.

So I made it smaller.

@GnomeSlice I had to tell you that how many times before you finally listened?

8:00 PM

@fbueckert I listened. I just didn't want to do it.

@GnomeSlice That's the same thing.

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Nobody likes giving advice if you're just gonna blow it off.

The lucky thousand have been chosen

On the plus side, I think it's pretty sexy once it ditches the solids.

@fbueckert Making large ones is so much fun.

Also, I was trying to make them smaller all along, like you suggested.

I just... sucked at it.

8:02 PM

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It appears I'm not one of the lucky thousand

Argh.

It burns through fuel so fast in this stage though.

Too many boosters.

@fbueckert I guess you don't need lots of boosters once you get into orbit, right?

@GnomeSlice Not solids of any sort.

@fbueckert Liquid boosters.

Just liquid engines, and lots of patience.

I'm talking about.

That stage in the image I just linked burns fuel pretty quickly.

But it has like 7 boosters.

8:05 PM

@badp I don't think so.

@GnomeSlice Each with two fuel tanks, no?

@fbueckert Plus the big one in the middle.

@fbueckert Based on the group chat, people who are in know they're in

And the booster in the middle doesn't have two small tanks assigned to it.

@GnomeSlice Are you high enough to start establishing orbit?

8:06 PM

Fuck, just burned like 500 of my last stage's fuel trying to get into stable Kerbin orbit.

@fbueckert Yes.

Took like 512 of my last stage's fuel though.

Out of... 1700

@GnomeSlice Then slow down on the burning; you don't need to burn them at full blast.

@fbueckert Yeah, I know, but then I won't get into stable orbit quick enough to not fall back.

I wonder if it would be feasible to mod in a ring booster....Hmm.

@GnomeSlice You should be starting to turn about 50/60 kms up.

@fbueckert That sounds about right.

And establishing orbit while still climbing.

8:08 PM

@fbueckert I figured that one out myself.

I might not be doing it soon enough though.

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@GnomeSlice Make sure it's a gradual turn; it's not all 90 degree angles.

At full burn, those three engines take 4.5 fuel per second, combined.

1.5 each, for 60 thrust.

@fbueckert Yes, I got that.

There has to be a way to do this...

Argh, there's NOTHING I can add to this!

Without taking it apart and lengthening it.

Let's try this...

I'm going to take out the fuel lines from the large tank in the middle to the satellite boosters, and use it as a separate stage. By that time I should be completely out of the atmosphere... although it means that tank is going to be full for the other ones to lift...

@fbueckert 50-60 KM?? I usually start way before then... if you don't, the orbit tends to begin to go in the same direction as Mun's orbit.

I'm 23 KM up now and I feel like I left it late this time.

Fack, this single rocket isn't strong enough...

Until it sheds like 600 of its fuel...

@fbueckert Are you sure you don't mean 5 kms?

Aaaaand no real difference.

8:28 PM

@badp I do indeed still have a free copies of Dota 2 if you want one.

@FAE What is that game like? I keep hearing about it.

@GnomeSlice It's a MOBA.

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@FAE What does that mean?

@FAE Oh. What genre?

@GnomeSlice MOBA...

8:29 PM

@GnomeSlice MOBA is the genre.

@badp I could, possibly, get Steam working without an invite, however my install is failing pretty badly.

@AshleyNunn Massive Online Battle Arena

@AshleyNunn Multiplayer Online Battle Arena.

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@GnomeSlice THank you :)

@FAE ...That tells you absolutely nothing about the gameplay

8:30 PM

@GnomeSlice ...yes, yes it does.

Multiplayer online battle arena

Multiplayer online battle arena (MOBA), also known as action real-time strategy (ARTS), is a sub-genre of the real-time strategy (RTS) genre, in which often two teams of players compete with each other in discrete games, with each player controlling a single character through an RTS-style interface. It differs from traditional RTS games in that there is no unit construction and players control just one character. In this sense, it is a fusion of action games and real-time strategy games. The genre emphasizes cooperative team-play; players select and control one "hero", a powerful unit wit...

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@GnomeSlice It tells me a lot.

Is it a strategy game? FPS?

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Enough to know I don't want to play it.

3rd person driving game?

8:30 PM

@GnomeSlice It's a MOBA game.

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@GnomeSlice No. MOBA

Whatever, that doesn't tell me anything about the gameplay.

Just forget it.

Like its predecessor DotA 1. Or League of Legends. Or Heroes of Newerth.

It is a genre unto itself which defines its gameplay. I don't see how I can be any more clear.

People say Airmech is a MOBA and it's nothing like those games.

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Okay, time to take cheesecake-fueled me and write a midterm about Aristotle. :D

8:36 PM

@AshleyNunn The sexist pig that he was :O

:X

@GnomeSlice Sauce

@FAE Isn't DotA's actual genre 'DotA-like'?

@OrigamiRobot I linked it in here a while ago when people were asking what it was and everyone said 'oh, it's a MOBA'.

But the gameplay isn't the same at all.

Oh, no, it is MOBA, yeah.

@GnomeSlice Then it probably isn't a MOBA.

8:41 PM

@GnomeSlice I'm not all too familiar with Airmech, but I'm reasonably sure it's not a MOBA.

The article @Ullallulloo linked describes it pretty well.

I played Airmech. It isn't a MOBA as far as I saw in the tutorial at least.

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Q: How are resources gained, distributed, and spent?

I'm unclear on how resources gained by aliens and marines are gained and distributed to the teams and personal supplies. First, how is the amount and frequency res gained calculated? I know it's a function of res nodes over time, but what's the actual equation? Is res gained even if the team doe...

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@ArdaXi It's definitely a multiplayer online battle arena, though.

It's just not a MOBA? Wtf.

@GnomeSlice It is a multiplayer game. It's online. It's a battle in an arena. It is all of those things separately.

Lol you guys are so dumb.

8:47 PM

But MOBA is a distinct genre.

@ArdaXi Well, that's just silly, why doesn't it have a different name then.

@GnomeSlice If you take a bland pie and put an apple inside it, it doesn't become apple pie.

Hm... I feel like that shouldn't be a good argument, but I can't think of any response.

@Ullallulloo Oh, it's a MOBA.

@fbueckert Don't you have to manually make minions?

8:51 PM

@Ullallulloo I do not believe so.

And towers?

I played it once against AI. Saw it was a MOBA, and never played it again.

@Ullallulloo You have to make most of them, but your base automatically produces infantry that tries to capture other bases too. It's still a multiplayer online battle arena

@Ullallulloo There are no towers.

Well, there's turrets and things.

@GnomeSlice TF2 has all of those qualities, but it isn't a MOBA

@OrigamiRobot Then it's a shitty term.

It's an FPS MOBA

=/

8:56 PM

@GnomeSlice That's SMNC.

@GnomeSlice Lots of terms are stupid. Gank is a term people use. It's still stupid.

Terminology is fun!

@OrigamiRobot Can't argue with you there, I suppose. Oh well.

9:20 PM

@ArdaXi The setup file is already on file sharing systems?

@badp media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb

@ArdaXi uh, okay. So will it only connect if you're whitelisted?

@badp No, it will throw a pop-up if you're not.

"You nasty little bugger! Here come on in anyway?"

Someone called for me?

9:25 PM

@JoshGitlin yeah, we were wondering if the XMPP bridge was down

@badp and @ArdaXi, yes, I created an XMPP bridge... but it doesn't work after Balpha broke it

@badp Sadly, yes. I have been too busy with work (and my new diamond) to fix it

It's on GitHub now...

no worries

If anyone knows Ruby they're welcome to help. I think the event polling code needs to be reworked

posting works but reading doesn't

Holy crap there is an overflow of blue in here suddenly.

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@Wipqozn for your ~~amusement~~ consideration

9:28 PM

@JoshGitlin I'd try to fix it but...Ruby. ;)

@badp I found a new PKGBUILD for Steam, am trying to install it now.

@MarkTrapp Were you not formerly a mod at SciFi?

@MarkTrapp I've actually wondered this myself.

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@James Yes. Is there more to that question?

@MarkTrapp Nope, I just had a sudden "Wait a minute" moment :)

9:32 PM

@TimStone you could fix it by rewriting it in JavaScript :-)

So I see someone nuked Summoner's Rift, where do I ask my subjective LoL questions now :(

@JoshGitlin I liked the IRC bridge. Otherwise I'd end up using the other thing via BitlBee anyway.

That was Greg Hewgill who created the IRC bridge

I know, it's horribly broken.

Cmon Sean, at least try to come up with actual questions for the titles

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9:36 PM

> Bork bork bork bork, bork Bork bork in Halo?

I use rubies

What needs done?

user2334

I like turtles

Oh, let me fix the "What needs doing", or WAIT, What needs to be done

Who gave the star

@tiddy Bad english also gets starred, for some reason.

@fbueckert Do you have Aspergers

9:43 PM

@tiddy Can't say that I do, why?

Are @MarkTrapp good for to eat?

@fbueckert Just an observation

@tiddy What do you mean by that, exactly?

@tiddy Yeah, I miss words sometimes. I can't even keep up with my brain, sometimes.

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@OrigamiRobot First world problem: I tried to Google "good for to eat" to find the reference but Google reinterpreted it with the correct "good enough to eat" :(

9:45 PM

There is no reference. I just wanted to know.

user2334

Oh. I will cherish this new-found knowledge.

What newfound knowledge? Nobody even answered me?

user2334

The newfound knowledge that your question was not a reference.

Gah, I'm mutilating my only working rocket.

~~only working~~

user2334

9:55 PM

You might want to see a doctor

@ArdaXi Could you clarify, and quickly. I'm on my way out

@tiddy Not very important, just you saying something slightly offensive.

@ArdaXi Thanks for pointing that out. Have a good one.

You're welcome.

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