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5:00 PM
wigs are even commoner elsewhere
i was rather stunned to learn once that my neighbor, who is from west africa, actually shaves her head, and that the hair that i am used to seeing her with is a wig
this is evidently standard practice in their country
 
@cornbreadninja I don't get it.
 
@Mitch (s)he hit the rep cap.
 
@JSBձոգչ Huh really?
I have never heard of that.
 
@cornbreadninja oh. his comment made me want to downvote.
 
@cornbreadninja That's the second one of those today that I have flagged as off topic.
 
5:02 PM
@Cerberus that's what she said
 
Where exactly is she from, and from what ethnic/social background?
 
@JSBձոգչ said the bishop to the actress
 
@Mitch :D
 
she's from senegal. she actually has a collection of wigs in different styles
 
5:02 PM
I know certain extremist Jews have their married women wear wigs.
 
@MετάEd both Kris?
 
@Cerberus gah...
 
Third.
 
@Mitch Gah as in...
 
Yes, all Kris.
 
5:03 PM
they're muslim. i don't think that these are correlated, but who knows? maybe it's a peculiar interpretation of head-covering, where you never show your actual hair but are free to show off fake hair all you want
 
@MετάEd yikes.
Time for noms.
 
@JSBձոգչ Maybe it's a kind of status symbol, since wig maintenance is more expensive than hair maintenance?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 i don't know. i didn't press her for that much detail.
 
@MετάEd he gets a lot of downvotes too for all his capping.
 
actually, i didn't ask at all. it's my wife who found out.
 
5:05 PM
@Mitch Kris is a he?
That's who you mean by he?
@Cerberus Ah, so the wig is a hair covering. Saves wearing scarves.
 
@JSBձոգչ Hmm could be. That is exactly how it works with the Jews, I believe.
 
@Cerberus it's an orthodox jewish thing to always cover one's head. In some even the women are required to cover their heads. In that particular culture, which is very lawyerly, there is some back and forth with the rules, such as instead of a hat, one can wear a wig (one is still 'covering' one's head (as a sign of respect))
 
@MετάEd Well, they shave off their hair.
 
... and so one can even make a wig -out of one's own hair and wear that. Yes, I know, kind of manipulative but there it is.
 
Kris's requests to help vote whore: english.stackexchange.com/users/14666/…
 
5:08 PM
@Mitch I know there are countless Jewish sects, amongst which Christianity, and I don't know which ones do the shaving and wig-wearing exactly.
 
and I have no idea if that's the reasona Muslim senegalese woman would have any connection with that at all. could just be practical.
 
But I do know that only married women are supposed to shave and wig up.
 
Hello, anyone understand what the emphasized sentence means? When he spoke, his simple, unsophisticated language, suited to an audience of illiterate peasants, fell oddly on the jaded ears of Europe. Yet most great spirits have shaped their message to conditions no less restricted. -- (Jaded = worn-out; dulled by excess)
 
@MετάEd whoring is so extreme. how about pandering?
 
Those four comments need to be deleted (or flagged for deletion) as off topic.
@Mitch How about "gaming".
In any case, off topic.
 
5:09 PM
@its_me what more precisely is your question oabout the passage? ABout the term 'jaded'?
@MετάEd yeah. totaly crazy ass.
 
@Mitch "fell oddly on the jaded ears of Europe." - what does it mean? (In simpler English)
 
@MετάEd oh. I don't know. In English you can't use it, so I just assumed bayesianly.
'fell oddly' = sounded strange, hard to fathom or understand.
'jaded ears' = well just jaded personality, and jaded means world weary, or cynical or bored with naive childish concerns.
 
okay
 
@Mitch Interesting. I think the prior probability for "Kris" is female.
 
@Mitch okay, and lastly, shaped their message to conditions no less restricted. - what does this mean?
 
5:12 PM
Not that it matters except that I like to show basic respect by using the right pronoun.
 
really just a more complicated way of using synonyms to say that 'When he spoke simply (unsophisticated), the sophisticated Europeans thought it was naive.'
@MετάEd Sure, respect. but without knowing... fine... 'they' it is.
@MετάEd my prior is based on population here, not on the name.
@its_me it's just complex. 'shape' is the only figurative word. 'no less' is just a complex opaque way of saying 'as restricted or even more restricted'
 
made their message fit under conditions that were at least as restrictive as he just mentioned.
 
Yet most great spirits have shaped their message to conditions no less restricted. — Most other great people/speakers have been able to adapt what they wanted to to communicate to the ways the audience wanted/expected. So "he" should adapt his style to what jaded Europe wants/expects.
 
Ah, okay, I understand it now! Thanks a lot :D
 
OK.
 
5:18 PM
@Mitch Prior probability should take all known facts into account. So yes, take genders overall into account, but also take the name itself into account.
 
Writer's Chat is gong on now in The Overlook. Today we're talking about how to figure out your writing pace as a means of preparing for Nanowrimo. Come and visit! All are welcome.
 
@MετάEd I thought of "Kris" as a dudes name.
@KitFox all those words to line up! how do you do it?
right, practice.
 
@Mitch Come to chat. Learn to write. It's magic.
 
It always sounds so much better in my head.
 
> The employee said that only a handful of people were recently allowed to take a new device off campus to use in real life. "That's really disturbing for something you're about to ship millions of," the employee said, adding that such restrictions have some worried whether they can "test things to the level we want to test them before they ship."
This explains the Apple-maps fiasco.
I really don't understand Apple's supposed secrecy. What does it matter?
What is more, all the (partial) leaks are great free publicity.
More leaks = more publicity.
 
5:27 PM
@Cerberus hype.
 
@Cerberus They are usually planned leaks -- open secret in the blogosphere
 
@cornbreadninja How do you mean?
@its_me Could be...but this article seems to suggest that they are not planned.
 
@Cerberus if you shroud something in secrecy, hype is created.
 
All that writing...so many words. how about start with a novella. or a short story. or a short storya. like a paragraph. or an outline. My first novel wil be an outline. and an exercise for the reader iwil be to fill out the sentences.
a 'do it yourself novel' novel.
 
That Apple is even monitoring the IRC channels of its employees to make sure they don't leak.
 
5:29 PM
@Cerberus because speculation
 
@cornbreadninja But don't leaks add to the hype?
@cornbreadninja How?
 
@cornbreadninja I was expecting something more obscure like: "If you shroud yourself in secrecy, all will be revealed"
@Cerberus they should see a doctor instead.
 
@Mitch Or wear Pampers.
@cornbreadninja OMG you're so secretive.
 
@cornbreadninja shocking!
 
5:31 PM
wow. i guess today is a day for good news for me, since i just got another small piece of news to do a happy dance about
though this one i'm not going to talk about publicly (yet)
 
@Cerberus piddle packs. what the astronauts use.
 
@Cerberus because if something starts in secret, the leaks could be true or false.
 
@JSBձոգչ Is it still small, but growing bigger in the future?
 
@JSBձոգչ is getting the small piece of good news the good news or is it just the good news itself?
 
@JSBձոգչ yay!
 
5:33 PM
@Mitch Lovely.
@cornbreadninja I'm afraid I don't understand...
 
@Cerberus makes shiny crystals when you eject it out into space.
 
@Cerberus me either.
:\
 
@cornbreadninja so secretive!
 
Then again, I'm not an apple user.
 
@Mitch Eww.
 
5:35 PM
@Cerberus They always do :P (Leaks work for both news sites and the companies - mutual benefit)
 
I like how on iCarly, they don't do explicit product placements, but instead they do obvious analogies, such as, all the silver laptops have big 'pear' logos.
 
ROFL.

> Another DVD ruined… I admit I’m a bit of a klutz, but really, having aluminum edges around the iMac’s CD slot is not a good design decision.
 
@its_me Yeah I am sceptical too...but they do have lots of internal policies that are bothersome for employees and that are ostensibly meant to prevent leaks.
@cornbreadninja ...
@Mitch Who's Icarly?
 
@Cerberus you are so uncultured. I'll leave it at that.
 
@Cerberus Apple only leaks to the largest (trusted?) publications - WSJ (AllThingsD) mostly
 
5:37 PM
@Cerberus someone I follow on the twitter.
 
@Mitch Fine!
@its_me Is that really so? I often hear or see rumours from obscure sites?
@cornbreadninja Tell her to ditch the Apple.
 
@Cerberus Fine? Fine!
 
Fine.
 
@Cerberus They usually 'throw a stone' :)
 
@Cerberus she's a type designer. she'd be lost without it.
 
5:39 PM
Puh. I don't believe it!
 
That's how it is, really
 
You see, Drake and Josh are brothers, half brothers actually, their parents married each other, and they have an annoying little sister (Drake's actual sister...or is it Josh's) named Carly, but now she lives with her older brother who is not Drake (or Josh) and was actually the weird guy in ...stop me if you've heard this before...
 
Pharmacist - a person who fills doctor's prescription?
Doesn't the doc do that himself?
 
The doctor writes the prescription, the pharmacist dispenses the medication.
 
@its_me Nope, the doc -writes- the prescription (the doc is the authority that tells someone to take a medication)
 
5:42 PM
dispense = fills
In this context.
 
Ah... okay
 
My client called me after the launch of his new website

Client: Where’s my website? I can’t get it to come up.

Me: I can pull it up just fine. Tell me what you see when you try.

Client: Nothing! This is horrible, I thought you said the site would be up and running. What’s going on?!

Me: Well, like I said I can see the site just fine. You said that nothing comes up? At all?

Client: Just this error message that says something like “Your computer isn’t connected to the internet”

Me: Who provides you with internet access?
@Mitch It sounds random, but go on.
 
@Mitch Lazlo? Does she live with Lazlo?
 
"Don’t give me your excuses" new retort of the day.
@cornbreadninja hm...that would required that I have payed attention.
The older brother is a struggling artist.
 
@Mitch Lazlo from . . . that Val Kilmer movie. Real Genius.
 
5:47 PM
So to continue, Carly and her friend...so-and-so do a weekly webcast where they have a friend film them doing wacky things.
@cornbreadninja Oh... that Val Kilmer movie.
Sorry, I was washing my hair that night.
Anyway, I doubt it was 'Lazlo'
@Cerberus so that's the premise, and hijinks ensue.
 
nods understandingly
That is so true.
 
@Cerberus You're hiding something.
 
Like what!
drops baby head
scoops it up quickly before anybody sees it
 
Did you... never mind. what is that squishy noise?
 
It's nothing.
 
6:06 PM
ha!
 
Hi @cornbread.
You gonna do Nanowrimo this year?
You know you want to.
All the cool kids are going to do it.
 
0____0
It would be the worst novel ever written.
 
But you'd have written it!
 
@KitFox that's the truth.
 
It could be the story of our secret love!
Oop!
 
6:12 PM
~_~
I will try.
reviews rules
 
@MετάEd "... and wound around his head a loose blue and white silk cloth." I'm not sure that's the same thing as a house cap.
 
1 hour ago, by MετάEd
@Cerberus You are right. I was misreading search results.
 
Ah, that's what I get for coming late to the party.
 
6:45 PM
Cwute.
 
kewt
 
7:05 PM
spends delete votes
 
Our very own Peter Shor seems to be a prominent mathematician.
 
@Robusto !
 
OMG
Does he really look like that?
The two facts combined are pretty funny.
 
He was mentioned in Slate magazine. slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/22/…
@Cerberus What did you expect a professor at MIT to look like?
 
I don't know.
You don't look like that.
 
7:14 PM
Lazlo in Real Genius.
Or my Java/Unix teacher.
 
@cornbreadninja That's like being a matter/antimatter teacher.
 
@tchrist he also teaches C++.
 
Less bad.
 
@tchrist do you have some sort of script set up that catches instances of 'unix', 'unicode', 'UTF-8', &c in this chat and rings a bell to get your attention? :D
 
@Cerberus I'm not an MIT professor.
 
7:19 PM
@Robusto BU? Berklee?
 
@Robusto There you go.
 
@cornbreadninja Nowhere U.
 
@Robusto my uncle went there. Class of '79.
 
that'll be a fun reunion.
 
Oh, yeah. I remember him.
 
7:23 PM
@Cerberus Hey yourself.
 
Oh, you're complex.
 
@Cerberus Shouldn't that be i's complex?
 
Hey, Mitch is not a number to me.
More like a letter combination.
 
@Cerberus That's like saying I don't count.
 
Well, one cannot count oneself, can one?
For you to count, you have to be something other than a number.
 
7:26 PM
Hold on...
yeah, sure you can.
 
Smacks of infinite recursion to me.
 
No. You stop at yourself.
 
When?
 
Also, I have to take my own cake advice and go eat some. later again!
 
Bai!
 
8:09 PM
@DavidWallace thank you David for having answered to my question. I hope to meet you in chat in the future. Thank you again :)
 
@Cerberus You don't know that.
I want to go home.
 
You are home.
 
8:30 PM
@Carlo_R. Please do not clutter the site with off-topic comments. Ask here in chat. Especially if your question is so basic that it doesn't make us look good. And if you see that a comment of yours got deleted, do not post another one telling us that you noticed. Of course you noticed. Your noticing was the whole point. Telling us about that is pure noise that just wastes everybody's time, including yours.
 
8:43 PM
@Cerberus No. I'm at work. And I'm stuck because people who are working on dependencies I need have gone home. And they came in late. Fuck this shit. Am I the only one who gives a shit about getting stuff done?
 
@Robusto Apparently so. Perhaps it's time to call it a day yourself?
 
I have to wait for the train.
 
Oh.
Why don't you go to the station already and buy yourself a cup of hot cocoa.
 
That's it. I'm making me hot cocoa. BRB
 
Glad I could help.
 
8:50 PM
I have no cocoa powder. despair
 
!
You must remedy this precarious situation.
Do you have chocolate?
Just put a couple of chocolate blocks in a glass, add hot milk + sugar, stir.
That's how the Italians make it.
 
@Cerberus You confuse train stations in America with train stations in civilized countries.
 
No cafés there?
Then pick up a hot cocoa on the way over there?
 
@Cerberus Not at the little stops. Only at the big stations in the city.
 
Hmm.
 
8:58 PM
Savages.
 
Even small stations have some kind of place where you can buy coffee here.
 
sips hot cocoa at not a major station at all
 
And we are not known for out food.
 
You Europeans would simply not put up with the train service we get here. And we're lucky to get even that!
 
@RegDwighт Is your station made of Lego?
 
8:59 PM
@Cerberus LEGO is his station in life, yes.
 
@Robusto Yeah, I heard you are car people. Must have something to do with long distances too.
@Robusto Not the final destination, I hope?
 
@Cerberus You wouldn't drive here, either.
 
Why not?
 
@Cerberus oil is cheap these days. Especially in exchange for blood.
 
Imagine driving in Paris or London. Then triple the commute time.
 
8:59 PM
@RegDwighт Huh wha?
@Robusto In what city do you work again?
 
I work near Boston.
 
You can't really drive around the city centre here either.
But outside the centre?
 
@Cerberus Can you imagine Dubya spending all that monies not on Iraq, but on proper train service at home?
 
Would have been nice.
Obama could have done something about it...
 
It would like rip apart the very fabric of the universe or something.
 
9:01 PM
Like the DLHC?
No, what is it called?
 
RHCP.
 
Hydron Collider something?
 
The hardon collider.
 
Hadron, right.
 
@Reg OK, but the feedback problem exisists; and I want to have some congratulations sometime. I have good comments too!
 
9:02 PM
If anyone's bi here, it is not I!
 
@Carlo_R. this is a question-and-answer site, not an I-sometimes-have-good-comments-to-make-up-for-my-not-so-good-comments site.
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@Carlo_R. What is the feedback problem?
 
Time to go. Laters.
 
@Cerberus What's that now?
Hey what does "bbw" mean in the context of tag on an erotic story?
 
@KitFox Ask them.
 
9:09 PM
@Cerberus Ask who what?
 
Feedback problem is when one's behaviour is influenced by the actvity of other people.
For example Reg's activity influences my behaviour.
Especially wawai963 has influenced ny behaviour here.
Sorry 933 and my
 
@KitFox Well, that.
 
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Q: "If I go.." vs. "If I will go.." referring to the future

Igor Turman Possible Duplicate: Future tense in conditional clauses Which one is correct? option 1: If I go there, I can meet her or option 2: If I will go there, I can meet her I clearly remember, was told by English (not American) teacher that "If", "When" cannot be used with "will" ...

Why does this question have 1395 views.
It is strange to me. It is a question closed just after the asker posted that.
Generally, HV questions are not closed.
 
@Carlo_R. I understand what feedback is, but you mentioned that there is a feedback problem. What is the problem?
 
9:26 PM
Oh... You are right Meta, I understood what you are asking I was referring
 
@Carlo_R. I think there is a different number of views today than at the time the question was closed. Also, when a question is a duplicate of another question, one of the questions will be closed even if both of them are popular.
 
... to my thanks to ruaks.
... ruaks give me an answer, and I thanks him.
 
@Carlo_R. I wonder if anyone has showed you the site guidelines for how to use the comments? english.stackexchange.com/privileges/comment
 
But if I did not see his answer a cannot thanks.
And ruAks could think that I'm not well educated.
Thank you for the link. I will read that page.
... But my turture here is almost finished. I will go to new life in ELL
 
Huh. You can't upload pictures to chat from a smart phone?
Gyp.
 
9:32 PM
No, my phone has a lot of problem. I have to change it. But my contract will end only in may 2013.
 
Hey, Gyp, dig the slowness.
 
Rob, what gyp mean?
 
Gen ref
 
Time to go. Goodnight.
 
Here come da train.
 
9:49 PM
@KitFox big beautiful woman
 
@DavidWallace Oh that makes sense. Thanks.
@Robusto Dig it.
 
@Cerberus we may have uncivilized train service, but we make up for it in our attention to the luxury afforded cars. the roadside rest stops are like luxury shopping malls, clean bathrooms, and great food. almost cosmopolitan centers of activity.
of course I'm making this up. the (commercial) rest areas are way worse than those in Europe.
 
10:05 PM
 
10:29 PM
@Mitch Hmm really?
Here it varies.
Of course they have better food in France.
A "rest area" will be a petrol station with a small supermarket, and a bad restaurant if you're lucky.
So not really lucky.
Oops wrong room.
Or perhaps this is the right room after all...
 
Moose? Moose! I like a moose. I've never had anything quite like a moose. I've had many women, my life has been loose, but I've never had anything quite like a moose.
 
Is that an attempt at a limerick?
 
10:45 PM
It's a song I know.
 
11:01 PM
Know because you wrote it?
 
11:26 PM
Our friend Ed didn't need an excuse
to admit he was fond of a moose.
But he made up a song,
which was not very long,
where he told us his life had been loose.
 
@Cerberus I didn't write that one.
 
Ow.
 
11:54 PM
Well I tried to record one I did write, and the audio is all stuttery so I'll have to give up and do it elsewhere.
 

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