The Sand Trap

Aiden Chow

6:00 AM

@mousetail wat now

Rydwolf Programs

@mousetail Six? n00b

mousetail

Drywall = basically cardboard

Aiden Chow

bro i can see 9 wifi network and 6 of them are literally from my home...

mousetail

Ah the NSA surveillance network, either someone thought of the same joke in every neighborhood or it's a real conspiracy

Rydwolf Programs

I can't imagine it being very cost effective to build interior walls with concrete

mousetail

6:01 AM

@AidenChow You'd get faster intenet if you deleted some of them

Rydwolf Programs

Especially since plumbing and wiring exist

Aiden Chow

we got guest wifi, guest 5g wifi, main wifi, main wifi #2 for some reason, random ass wifi cuz why tf not, and random ass wifi v2

mousetail

@RydwolfPrograms In my case they are extra thick for sound isolation, since every room is rented out seperately

Aiden Chow

@mousetail my parents doing, not mines lol

Rydwolf Programs

@mousetail Oh, that makes sense

user

6:02 AM

@mousetail FBI Van is a popular one too

mousetail

Blackmail them to get rid of some networks

Rydwolf Programs

@AidenChow 2.4 and 5 won't interfere with each other, you can ignore those dupes. So you've basically just got two, guest and main, plus the two other random ones

hyper-neutrino

y'all can see multiple? I can only see one. which is a problem cuz my house has more than one...

oh nvm they just didn't load the first time I looked

user

@RydwolfPrograms I wonder if those printers are unsecured

Rydwolf Programs

How does that even work

mousetail

6:04 AM

@user I see that a lot too, which is weird, since I'm not in the US. I'd expect CIA

Rydwolf Programs

Like, why are the printers creating a network

Aiden Chow

@RydwolfPrograms 2.4 and 5?

mousetail

@RydwolfPrograms Usually you connect to the network to set them up, afterwards they'll connect to the network you configures them to connnect to

Rydwolf Programs

Ghz. Those are the two frequency bands for WiFi (there's a third now, 6 Ghz, but it tends to only be supported by modern and high end routers/computers)

Aiden Chow

oh those

i heard theres 10g?? or is that false news

Rydwolf Programs

6:06 AM

@mousetail Betting that's your wifi card

Is it ac or b/g/n?

user

@AidenChow That's just your mom's attraction

Aiden Chow

@user ayo bruh

chill lol

user

Sorry couldn't resist

Rydwolf Programs

@AidenChow Haven't heard of thst. You might also be mixing up wifi and cellular, 4G/5G/the upcoming 6G are totally separate from 2.4/5/6 GHz WiFi

user

~~Hard to resist that kind of gravitational pull~~

Rydwolf Programs

6:07 AM

(the G stands for Generation in 2G/3G/4G/5G/...)

Aiden Chow

@user O_O wat now

user

There's going to be a 6G already?

Rydwolf Programs

Things get specced way before they get implemented

user

@AidenChow The joke was that yo mamma is so fat the gravity on her is ten times that of earth

Can't wait for 6G radiation horses

Rydwolf Programs

horses?

Aiden Chow

6:09 AM

@user ya ik that... im taking physics class this year lol

Rydwolf Programs

or hoaxes?

Aiden Chow

@RydwolfPrograms why not both?

:P

user

@RydwolfPrograms Horses

Rydwolf Programs

Can't wait to get COVID-24 from horses prancing through the air between Jeff Bezos' 6G towers

user

Aiden Chow

6:10 AM

@RydwolfPrograms oh wat now

Rydwolf Programs

I have a bad habit of mixing up cellular standards and RAM, since 5G and DDR5 came out at the same time, both replacing version 4, with plans for version 6 already being drafted

(also DDR5-6000 still stable, would recommend)

Aiden Chow

ok so i remember where i saw 10g before.... : xfinity.com/10g. is that some advertising bullshit?

or real?

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah looks like advertising bullshit

"Just stick G on the end of a nice number and it'll sell better"

> The Xfinity 10G Network is the new brand for our next-generation network. The Xfinity 10G Network delivers a powerful connection to our customers that will continue to get smarter, faster, more reliable, and secure. It is the network that our customers use today and the network that will power their connectivity experience in the future.

Aiden Chow

bruh so its literally a brand name, not real?

Rydwolf Programs

I mean, it's probably the 10th generation of something

Just not anything anyone cares about

Like, 10th generation of Comcast trying to pretend they're cool

Aiden Chow

6:15 AM

this is some misleading stuff, i was believing it to be smth revolutionary for a bit there, cuz i never see 10g before lol

@RydwolfPrograms so g stands for generation??

Rydwolf Programs

yea

Aiden Chow

bruh so 4g and 5g and 6g is just mean generations?

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah, generations of the cellular network standard

Aiden Chow

what about 1g 2g 3g, those a thing too?

Rydwolf Programs

Yep

3G's still around even

IIRC 2G is pretty phased out and insecure, and never heard of 1G (it probably didn't get called that at the time)

Aiden Chow

6:19 AM

so this is for data or wifi?

Rydwolf Programs

Cellular calls/data

Aiden Chow

oh ok

whats even the difference between all of these..

Rydwolf Programs

Cellular and WiFi? or the different generations?

Aiden Chow

all

Rydwolf Programs

Cellular's from cell towers and requires a SIM card and a paid plan
WiFi's from your router (technically your wireless access point, typically in the same box as the router), local to your house, and can't do calls (aside from VoIP)

The diffeerent cellular generations mostly just add speed

Aiden Chow

6:23 AM

voip??

Rydwolf Programs

5G carriers talk a big game, tho it tends to be about 200 Mbps at best in practice from what I've heard

@AidenChow voice-over-IP

You can't make calls on a mobile device over WiFi IIRC

VoIP is the technology that lets you do that (incl. without a SIM card I think?)

Aiden Chow

wat, so cellular and wifi do the same thing or what??

Rydwolf Programs

Not really. I mean, they both wirelessly provide access to the internet, but one's meant fir cell phones aand supports calls/SMS, and one's purely for internet and localized to one home/location

Aiden Chow

so whats a sim card

mousetail

The thing you put in your phone that tells it what your phone number is

Aiden Chow

6:34 AM

u put a card in ur phone???

mousetail

Yes

Some new phones have e-sim which is virutual but It's not that common yet

Aiden Chow

never seen that before lol

user

@AidenChow You've never heard of one?

Aiden Chow

@user errrrrrrrr no....

mousetail

Don't you have a phone number?

lyxal

6:36 AM

@AidenChow okay zoomer

user

If you have an iPhone, there's a thing on the side with a hole that you can insert a paperclip into. If you do that, it'll come out and you can see your SIM card

@lyxal Aren't you a zoomer yourself?

@mousetail no

Then it makes sense

Oh

dont have a phone :((

mousetail

6:36 AM

a sim card == a phone number basically

lyxal

@user I've seen a sim before

@mousetail laughs in data only sims

user

Yeah but you can't use "ok zoomer" on people of your own generation

Aiden Chow

@user oh interesting

lyxal

@user I just did

mousetail

Of course you can, zoomer

lyxal

6:37 AM

You mad?

user

@mousetail Laughs in Google Voice

@lyxal I'm user, dumbass

Aiden Chow

google voice??

mousetail

Ok there are exceptions I get it

What's the new generation called though? The zoomer generation has ended

user

Yeah I know Google Voice isn't really a counter example

@mousetail Generation Whining Little Morons

Aiden Chow

@lyxal data only sims???

user

6:39 AM

@mousetail Alpha, according to Wikipedia

Aiden Chow

@user aaand this generation started when?

mousetail

Data only sims just let you use 4g/5g data but not call or text I guess

@AidenChow 2017 I guess?

user

Generation Alpha

Generation Alpha (Gen Alpha for short) is the demographic cohort succeeding Generation Z. Researchers and popular media use the early 2010s as the starting birth years and the mid-2020s as the ending birth years. Named after the first letter in the Greek alphabet, Generation Alpha is the first to be born entirely in the 21st century and the third millennium. Most members of Generation Alpha are the children of Millennials.Generation Alpha has been born at a time of falling fertility rates across much of the world, and are experiencing the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic as young children. For...

Aiden Chow

damn alpha?

i want to be generation alpha lol, sounds way better than fucking gen z or zoomer lmfao

user

Z is a cooler letter than alpha imo

mousetail

6:40 AM

why is gen-Z so short? Only a range of 15 birth years while the rest have like 20

user

Alpha also appears to be only about 15 years

mousetail

Can we not just say a generation is every 20 years at multiples of 20 and not these random dates

user

I'd rather we didn't have these sort of arbitrary boundaries at all

Aiden Chow

who decided these generations anyways

Adám

@mousetail Uh, landlines say hello.

Aiden Chow

6:42 AM

is like random or what

hyper-neutrino

whenever news sources feel like fabricating new divides to distract people from real issues /hj

3

Aiden Chow

lol but like actually tho

it seems completely arbitrary to me...

lyxal

@AidenChow gen alpha is raised on shit like cocomelon though. Those kidiots are suffering from brain rot from an early age :p

hyper-neutrino

anyway facetious comments aside I'm sure there's some metric however arbitrary they use but like

it's 100% very america-centric and also fairly arbitrary but tbf so are like, all demographic classifications

Aiden Chow

@lyxal ya actually true tho lol, i saw little kid from close family friends and relatives, always holding an ipad blasting some annoying tiktok cringe

i swear to god tiktok is making all these little kids dumb as shit

or like youtube shorts or whatever

hyper-neutrino

6:49 AM

yeah social media is absolutely severely degrading people's attention spans these days

myself included, though my attention span was never great to begin with and I only really had social media access in like... middle school or so

Aiden Chow

bro i have some little kid from family friends, great kid, except for the fact that he always spouts some random tiktok nonsense at me constantly, like da hell is he saying "i like you cut jee"????

hyper-neutrino

tbf that's not even new nor does it originate from tiktok lol

Aiden Chow

well idk i dont pay attention to that stuff lol

he just start saying that one day and its so annoying

Rydwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Is this a scientifically proven thing?

My assumption has been that that's pretty overblown

hyper-neutrino

there are probably studies on it

I was just speculating TBCH

Rydwolf Programs

6:55 AM

Children are not known for their long attention spans regardless

mousetail

I know my attention span has reduced since getting social media

I could only get it after moving out

Aiden Chow

@hyper-neutrino ok but what does it even mean

hyper-neutrino

to be entirely fair I can't really say whether or not social media really had an impact on my attention span

Rydwolf Programs

I wonder if any attention span impact which exists is something which changes about the person themselves, or if the social media itself just interrupts their attention span often

I'd expect it's mostly the latter and that TikTok isn't having any permanent negative impact, which is the claim I hear a lot and assume to be unscientific

user

@AidenChow Good job, you have now become a Boomer in spirit

hyper-neutrino

6:57 AM

my attention span has always been pretty weird by which I mean usually terrible, and I've never really been a prominent social media user; I spent a decent amount of time on reddit in the past few months but recently deleted my account for reasons unrelated to this

mousetail

You kind of need a short attention span to survive on social media, if you watched every terrible video you encountered till the end you'd go insane

Aiden Chow

dude social media is fucking up with my attention span and kinda increasing my procrastination, sometimes im even have no motivation to do hw and just go on code golf lol

hyper-neutrino

@AidenChow it is just a reference to a short video: youtube.com/shorts/ERvofdiuJxA (mild volume warning)

I've never found there to be anything amusing about it but oh well

Aiden Chow

@hyper-neutrino yes im not finding anything amusing about it lol

emanresu A

That's been around since at least... 2019 I think? At least I remember kids at school saying it then

hyper-neutrino

6:59 AM

it originated in mid 2018 so yeah you're about right

user

I feel like some of this stuff about social media reducing attention spans is just another variation of the old "TV will rot your brain"

lyxal

@AidenChow aw he playing minecraft

Aiden Chow

@lyxal ok how u know he like to play minecraft

he play all the time

lyxal

No no that's what comes before the line "I like ya cut g"

Aiden Chow

oh

lolol

emanresu A

7:02 AM

@user Thing is, TV doesn't recommend a series of videos specifically designed to keep you entertained for as long as possible.

user

True

Especially if you watch one news video, it's easy to go down a rabbit hole of videos meant to enrage you

Aiden Chow

guys also these little kids are singing the most stupid tiktok songs as well, like the hell is "what color is the sky?" and they dont answer blue like a normal person would but some random song lyrics that just sounds weird af

user

But have there been any conclusive studies showing it permanently affects you?

@AidenChow Every generation thinks the next generation is weird and their slang is nonsense

Aiden Chow

ye but like tiktok

hyper-neutrino

tbch idrc about silly tiktoks and as long as kids grow out of it like, w/e I still can't convince myself it has no lasting impacts but like whatever it's not horrible i guess

Aiden Chow

7:04 AM

oh fuck

no one saw that mispelling lol

hyper-neutrino

only tiktoks I really have an issue with are the stupid ones that are actually dangerous or just straight up criminal like the thing where people literally just recorded themselves stealing shit from their school

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino gotta get those devious licks tho :p

emanresu A

There are some stupid ones that are not dangerous, just expensive

Aiden Chow

@hyper-neutrino yea or like that one where they wrecking bathrooms or smth, i dont exactly remember

@lyxal lolol that just sounds weird, da hell is that??

hyper-neutrino

people did that in my hs too lmfao. I started bringing hand sanitizer to school cuz it was a cointoss whether or not the soap dispenser would still be attached to the wall every time I went

@AidenChow it's the trend I mentioned

lyxal

7:10 AM

@hyper-neutrino wait really?

Holy hell

hyper-neutrino

maybe I am slightly exaggerating but I did actually start bringing hand sanitizer to school :P

sometimes I'd just walk in and find the soap dispenser in the sink or in the trash can

more often though it'd just be empty

Aiden Chow

bro one time i walk in the bathroom and found like what seemed to be the entire content of a toilet paper roll in the toilet

it was like fully covered

some weird stuff do happen in school bathrooms lol, i wonder why that is...

lyxal

Devious licks was in 2021 right?

hyper-neutrino

is npm dying for any of y'all as well? getting 503s and it's really slow even if it does load

@lyxal from what I could find yes

Aiden Chow

@hyper-neutrino lolol our school was having issues with toilet paper, like it kept running out constantly

lyxal

7:15 AM

@hyper-neutrino seems to be loading for me

@hyper-neutrino lucky for me I left school in 2020 :p

hyper-neutrino

likewise :P

Aiden Chow

lol same

lyxal

@AidenChow as in "moved onto secondary education" or "moved onto tertiary education"?

Aiden Chow

as in left school due to covid :PP

also whats secondary education and whats tertiary education

lyxal

@AidenChow high school and university

@AidenChow ah see I straight up left school. Don't go there at all anymore

mousetail

7:30 AM

You drop out or graduated?

Aiden Chow

@lyxal oh im not even close to university yet

i think 2020 or 2021 does actually coincide with when i joined high school actually

mousetail

You're so tiny

lyxal

@mousetail graduated

Aiden Chow

@mousetail wats that supposed to mean...

mousetail

That surprises me

/j

lyxal

7:31 AM

Now I'm 3 years into a software engineering degree and boy oh boy frick group work

Not fun

mousetail

Group work can be really fun sometimes

If you got a nice group

Aiden Chow

group work mostly sucks

teacher assigned groups just suck

and the assignments just suck

mousetail

I had one group where we printed out memes on A3 paper and hung them all over our work room

that was fantastic

emanresu A

@lyxal Same

lyxal

I've got a nice group right now, but previous groups have been nasty

Aiden Chow

7:33 AM

damn yall in college or what

mousetail

This was final year though so people with 0 motivation mostly dropped out by then

lyxal

@AidenChow Well yes

Aiden Chow

am i the only one in high school here or what

emanresu A

I'm both :P

lyxal

No

mousetail

7:33 AM

I graduated college already

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA tf now

@mousetail DAMN

lyxal

@AidenChow ^^^^

mousetail

There are a few teenagers on here, like UndoneStudios and NumberBasher that I know of

lyxal

@mousetail old mfer

Aiden Chow

ah numberbasher, what happened to him...

mousetail

7:35 AM

I'm 24

Aiden Chow

@mousetail oh rly?

lyxal

20 secs ago, by lyxal

@mousetail old mfer

mousetail

ok zoomer

Aiden Chow

@mousetail damn thats like almost double my age

lyxal

@mousetail Wrinkly ahh mouse

Aiden Chow

7:36 AM

i wonder what happened to numberbasher anyways, i havent seen him around in a long while

and dialfrost too, wasnt he active here too

lyxal

He was

People come and go sometimes

Aiden Chow

i wonder when ill eventually stop code golf...

mousetail

Also plenty of people leave for a few years then come back

Unrelated String

8:33 AM

yeah that is like
ancient
like probably at least a year older than tiktok

@user i've never had any particular issues with eduroam speed at my university but i've also never really tried video or gaming on it

Unrelated String

8:57 AM

@lyxal have i ever told any of y'all to watch kaiji

because that reminds me a lot of rock paper scissors on a boat

Simd

10:38 AM

apologies for the OT question but... can anyone see how to download the document you get from google.co.uk/books/edition/_/… ?

It needs some skills I don't have

lyxal

does the download button give you what you want?

Simd

I don't see a download button

where do you see that?

lyxal

Simd

I don't see that at all. Which browser?

could you try the download button please

lyxal

firefox

Simd

10:43 AM

and let me know if it works

lyxal

it gives a pdf

Simd

I see ibb.co/T2sB5sK

which is completely different

lyxal

click the x

Simd

genius ! Thank you

I had no idea that would happen

this is definitely the best chat room on the internet

lyxal

← 18 messages moved from The Nineteenth Byte

Simd

10:50 AM

thanks again

lyxal

← 543 messages moved from The Nineteenth Byte

Bbrk24

Why did I get a notification about being invited here? I’ve been in this room before

Simd

maybe it was a "welcome home" :)

lyxal

11:05 AM

you get one every time messages are moved

Ginger

@user ah, Framework

don't have any of their stuff but boy does it look cool

I hope they don't fold :b

damn it's expensive tho

@mousetail that's an amazing name

@RydwolfPrograms Wi-Fi Direct (I think)

it's a good idea done in a cursed way

@AidenChow tiktok can burn in hell for all I care

in fact I'd rather it did

my personal opinion is that children should not be allowed to use the Internet, except for, like, Wikipedia, until they're 13

because having 8-year-olds walking around spouting the latest tiktok garbage saddens me

lyxal

11:34 AM

Hey look what I found in the wild

reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/126vzpn/repos_are_fandoms

Ginger

12:18 PM

@lyxal hey wait a minute I know that user q:

what's its reddit score

in other news I have invented a cursed system of weights and measures

its core unit of time is the rotational period of the pulsar PSR B1937+21

more specifically, every time PSR B1937+21 rotates 1024 times that's one Ginger-second

there are 32 Ginger-seconds per Ginger-minute, 64 Ginger-minutes per Ginger-hour, 16 Ginger-hours per Ginger-day, and 256 Ginger-days per Ginger-year

there are no weeks or months

year 0 is the beginning of the universe

mousetail

What time is it now?

Ginger

I'm not sure, lemme do some math

bah, PSR B1937+21 slows down over time

I suppose I can just fix it to how it is now

okay, one Ginger-1024th-of-a-second is 1.5578065 milliseconds

time to figure out what time it is

there are ~154 days in a Ginger-year

it's annoyingly difficult to figure out when the universe began, so instead I'll use the Unix epoch as year zero for these calculations

@mousetail okay, using the Unix epoch as the start of Ginger-time, the current time is 125Y145D1H30M

(approximately)

I didn't include seconds because I did that calculation in Desmos and it's probably inaccurate by now

time to write a ~~Rabbit~~ Python program to automatically calculate it

or maybe a website

I think I'll do that, yeah

Fun fact: ^ is the 6300th message I've sent in this room

@UnrelatedString I think you're talking about Animusic?

Ginger

2:17 PM

Today on sensationalized headlines, courtesy of Microsoft Edge:

Rydwolf Programs

2:30 PM

Why did I get invited here lol

Ginger

~~the power of Donald Trump compels you~~

probably the moving of 543 messages to this room by lyxal

Rydwolf Programs

Oh yup that'd do it

@Ginger It's not that sensationalized honestly

Ginger

lemme read the article rq

where's the link...

Rydwolf Programs

I mean his fanbase invaded the capitol over things he's said in the past, and this is also a pretty big deal so he's been saying similarly wink-wink things

Ginger

can't find it, but I did find lots of other clickbait bs

Rydwolf Programs

2:44 PM

Since they've thoroughly convinced themselves, in real time, that this is an unjust weaponization of the justice system with political motivations

@AidenChow I'm a junior

I am so excited to see the aftermath of this and the other dozen criminal charges that will be brought against Trump

No matter what we can't lose

Ginger

gotta love how all Edge does to mark ads is put a tiny little box in the bottom left that says Ad

that's an ad

Rydwolf Programs

lmao

Ginger

compare the bottom bit of that to the bottom bit of the earlier screenshot, which is an actual news article

it also removes the rating things in the bottom right, but I only just noticed the difference and I was explicitly looking for it

whoop there it is

gotta love that they turned comments off

> The indictment is unprecedented and represents the first criminal charges ever against a former U.S. president.

the man just keeps setting new records

yeah, he's being arrested

this is great

although tbf I'm now worried about MAGA Inc.'s response

Rydwolf Programs

That's the part I'm excited for

Ginger

huh?

like, excited to laugh at them?

also is it just me or does Trump look like he has a sunburn in that photo

Rydwolf Programs

2:52 PM

Can't hurt to mask-off the fashies

And any damage they cause hurts their side more than it hurts mine

Ginger

that was gibberish

this is my new favorite wiki article

Rydwolf Programs

> It can't hurt to reveal who the fascists are and to what degree

Translation ^

Ginger

> U.S. President Donald Trump has had unusual approaches to the practice of handshaking; his handshakes with world leaders since his inauguration as U.S. President have been the subject of extensive commentary.

> extensive commentary

by whom? lmao

quote from the wiki article on the indictment:

> [...] though criminal charges do not legally preclude him from running for office.

inb4 Trump gets the record for "first criminal to be elected to the presidency"

Rydwolf Programs

If I were one of those world leader I'd just keep the handshake up longer than Trump, and make more intense eye contact, and lean in for a kiss and watch how long he keeps up the strategy

Ginger

ಠ_ಠ

Rydwolf Programs

2:56 PM

Altho I guess I'd be cheating on Biden

Ginger

ಠ_ಠ

don't know how else to react to that

> “There will still be a mug shot, fingerprints and lots of paperwork filled out as part of the booking process,” like other defendants, said former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner.

Rydwolf Programs

> Trump said of his handshakes with Macron: "He's a great guy – smart, strong, loves holding my hand".[22][23][24] He went on to say, "People don't realize he loves holding my hand. And that's good, as far as that goes."[25][26][27] Trump further explained, "I mean, really. He's a very good person. And a tough guy, but look, he has to be. I think he is going to be a terrific president of France. But he does love holding my hand".[28][29][30]

Ginger

lmao Trump's gonna get a mugshot

Rydwolf Programs

This is literally gay fanfic coming straight from the orange man

Ginger

you could've posted that text without any further information and I could've instantly told you who said it

Rydwolf Programs

2:58 PM

> CNN performed a second-by-second analysis of Donald Trump's Bastille Day handshake with Macron.[12] CNN editor-at-large Chris Cillizza wrote, "President Donald Trump added to the growing lore of his handshakes with world leaders on Friday in France when he and French president Emmanuel Macron spent 29 seconds in a shake that turned into something much, much more."[12]

This is literally making my day. The idea that there's some bizarre political sexual tension between Trump and Macron is just amazing

Ginger

Trump's, he's got a very, very distinctive, *waves hand*, extremely distinctive speaking style. It's very distinctive, and a great friend of mine, a great friend, said it was distinctive. Very great.

@RydwolfPrograms ~~my immortal but it's world leaders~~

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