The Nineteenth Byte

cole

12:26 AM

yeah i dug around there (admittedly not carefully)

Aiden Chow

12:46 AM

guys how do u detect if the stack is empty in piet

i want to print all the contents in the stack but im not sure how to stop it

or is it allowed for answers to not halt as long as they print out the right answer

Rydwolf Programs

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Q: Do programs have to terminate?

This is related to Sp3000's question earlier, but probably a separate issue: Are programs required to terminate, provided they print the desired output before entering an endless loop and can be proven to never print anything else in the future? As a fake example, consider the following "Hello,...

@AidenChow Apparently not

Aiden Chow

crap ok that makes things a bit more complicated

i was thinking to just have a forever loop that just prints

now i gotta think about how to stop once the stack is empty

Rydwolf Programs

Does Piet have negative numbers?

Aiden Chow

@RydwolfPrograms yes

Rydwolf Programs

If not, just putting zero on the bottom of the stack and incrementing things on the stack might work, depending on whether you have the opportunity to preprocess things on the stack

oh nvm then

Aiden Chow

12:55 AM

u can only modify the top element of the stack as well

well another issue with trying to increment everything is that u have to push 1 onto the stack so that u can add, but when using add with only one element on the stack it will just skip the add instruction and the 1 will be left on the stack

Jacob

do you ppl have an opinion on this codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/25520/108687

Unrelated String

would that not be covered by existing program output standards

function submissions can't do global variable i/o, but program submissions don't even have a concept of global variable i/o

though the scratch example is interesting

Aiden Chow

similar idea with desmos tbh, right now the answers i have that use actions set some variable to the output, but even though the output is set to a variable, the output is actually displayed and u can see it without anything extra

lyxal

1:10 AM

oh hey neat exactly 27000 rep

Aiden Chow

@lyxal nice!

Unrelated String

@cole you can move them to shave off the $ at least

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing where is old sandbox posts?

caird coinheringaahin g

You'd have to ask @RydwolfPrograms, he keeps it running

Rydwolf Programs

There might not be any old sandbox posts today

Jacob

1:13 AM

@UnrelatedString here's what i've been thinking: since scratch has procedures that can be called but can't return without modifying global variables, can that be considered the same

caird coinheringaahin g

Also true

lyxal

@RydwolfPrograms there hasn't been for weeks

Unrelated String

iirc function standards make exceptions like that but good question

caird coinheringaahin g

Though, I do think lyxal has a point: OSP was last seen 26 days ago

Rydwolf Programs

Oh nope it got borked by the same thing that killed VyxalBot

caird coinheringaahin g

1:14 AM

Feb 2 at 1:00, by OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Optimize your score on a biased multiple choice test

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's precisely what I mean

Rydwolf Programs

SE made a minor format change to the fkey hidden field or something

Jo King

i think we have to wait 48 days before reporting it missing

Rydwolf Programs

It killed the regex-based libraries but left NPSP 2.0's proper HTML parsing system working

caird coinheringaahin g

Oh yay

Rydwolf Programs

1:15 AM

Oh wait no

This was a different change

The one where they just removed openid entirely

caird coinheringaahin g

@JoKing It's not missing, it's right here :P

Rydwolf Programs

Lemme check how I fixed that for NPSP

I think I was able to just change the URL

caird coinheringaahin g

Okay, I'll try and get on fixing it soon. No guarantees on speed if it's anything complicated tho, uni is kicking my ass with work atm

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Ternary 2-input logic gate

Rydwolf Programs

Fixed

lyxal

1:18 AM

@OldSandboxPosts welcome back beep boop

Rydwolf Programs

If you want to update the repo just change openid.stackexchange.com/account/login to codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/login

It doesn't fix some of the methods OSP doesn't use, like the logout one, but chatbot.py's probably not a sustainable future solution anyway for other bots

lyxal

y'all should switch to the sechat library

Seggan

@RydwolfPrograms you dont parse html with regex???!!?!?!??!?!

@lyxal ... which is written in python

who likes python

lyxal

I do

besides, OSP is already in python

it'd just be a library switch

Seggan

ah i thought it was rust too

lyxal

1:33 AM

12 mins ago, by Rydwolf Programs

It doesn't fix some of the methods OSP doesn't use, like the logout one, but chatbot.py's probably not a sustainable future solution anyway for other bots

Seggan

who runs OSP?

lyxal

caird wrote it, rydwolf hosts it

Seggan

mm

cole

@UnrelatedString sadly, i simplified my code a bit too much. the actual test1 is x.y.z=<<c :(

Unrelated String

f

Ginger

1:42 AM

@lyxal #notsponsored :p

lyxal

definitely no bias there :p

Ginger

not like we're affiliated with the makers of sechat or anything

lyxal

nup

no affiliation or other reason to promote a library that totally isn't core to operations of a certain chat room

Ginger

*cough*

lyxal

14

Q: Salacious Bacon Tripod

In a certain chatroom, we like making acronym jokes about the build tool we use called sbt. While it usually stands for "Scala Build Tool", we aim to come up with all sorts of meanings, such as: Stupid Brick Teeth Sussy Baka Training Shady Blue Tourists Seriously Big Toes Silly Bear Topics Salac...

code-golf string random

Seggan

1:50 AM

@lyxal please add the piet as a test case

lyxal

piet doesn't start with a t now does it.

Ginger

wait

I may be stupid

Slightly Better Tiet

I can't believe I did that

Jacob

Somewhat Broken Trains

Seggan

@lyxal o yeah

lyxal

@Ginger I've added this one however

Ginger

1:55 AM

> Keyboard entertains ginger

hmmmmm

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger Me and the bois drinking from an improved udder

Aiden Chow

man the interpreter on the piet.bubbler.space is a bit glitchy, sometimes it run correctly and sometime it dont run correctly, idek whats happening lol, like piet is completely deterministic, how is my program returning to different thing on same input :((

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms ಠ _ ಠ

Rydwolf Programs

Yesss I got a wide gingerface

Aiden Chow

should i post my answer even tho the interpreter is being glitchy

Rydwolf Programs

1:57 AM

If you're sure the answer actually does work on a non-glitchy interpreter then sure

Aiden Chow

the interpreter does sometime give the intended output so idk

DLosc

@AidenChow Can you try your program on a different interpreter?

Aiden Chow

@DLosc im not aware of another interpreter with permalink...

DLosc

TIO has Piet, but you have to put in the program as a hexdump IIRC

Aiden Chow

i want to do ascii piet tho, not hexdump

Rydwolf Programs

1:59 AM

Just link to both

Aiden Chow

and also idek how to get hexdump :(((

Rydwolf Programs

One that has the right code and sometimes works and one that has the equivalent and always works

@AidenChow Store it as whatever format and xxd < piet-code.whatever

DLosc

@AidenChow If you run ASCII-Piet, it has a hexdump output option

Aiden Chow

@DLosc wheres the link to ascii piet again?

DLosc

@AidenChow github.com/dloscutoff/ascii-piet

Aiden Chow

2:02 AM

ok so how do i format my answer, do i have a tio link with hexdump and then another with bubbler piet?

DLosc

TBH, the main thing is to make sure your code works. I'd say you don't necessarily have to include the TIO link in your answer.

Unless Bubbler's interpreter continues to have issues and you want to make sure other people can also easily see that your code works correctly

Aiden Chow

dude idk if my answer works, piet is weird af. all ik is that for every test case i test, it return the right answer sometimes on the bubbler interpreter

and many times it return the wrong answer

here just take a look at this : piet.bubbler.space/…

run the test cases multiple times and see what happen

DLosc

@AidenChow I'm getting the same results each time

Aiden Chow

@DLosc wtf that means a bug on my end???

Jo King

same

Aiden Chow

2:08 AM

are the results right??

DLosc

@AidenChow What browser are you using, in case that makes a difference?

Aiden Chow

theres supposed to be a preceding zero btw

@DLosc chrome

DLosc

@AidenChow Looks like they are

@AidenChow Hm, same

Aiden Chow

ok well ill just post it in that case...

thats so weird though

^ like just look at this, this is what i get half the time

Seggan

@AidenChow works fine for me too

Aiden Chow

2:11 AM

ok welp my browser is just busted ig

do yall see this as the output, this is what i intended:
0100
---
01010
---
010011010010

Seggan

yep

Aiden Chow

ayyyyyy nice that mean my answer is working

bruh how tf is my desmos answer and piet answer have the same byte count for number to binary

like whaaat

mind blown

@ParclyTaxel codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/258397/number-to-binary/… this is my attempt at a piet answer to number to binary, definitely improvable tho (watch as bubbler destroys us with a 30 byte answer lmfao)

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3:42 AM

0

Q: Shortest Valid Parentheses

Given a string of parentheses ( and ), find the length of the longest substring that forms a valid pair of parentheses. Valid pairs of parentheses are defined as the following: An empty string is a valid pair of parentheses. If s is a valid pair of parentheses, then (s) is also a valid pair of pa...

code-golf

Aiden Chow

6:35 AM

i think i just find a way to detect if a stack is empty in piet, and its surprisingly simple

dup, dup, minus, not, DP+

if the stack even has one item, then with these instructions the stack will be preserved with a 1 on the top of the stack, which the DP+, for example, can use to branch the code

but if the stack is empty all these instructions will fall through and nothing will happen

only one dup is needed if the top item in the stack is expendable

lyxal

Imagine not having a stack length built-in

mousetail

Isn't missing basic builtins the entire point of esolangs?

lyxal

Maybe, but other stack langs have stack length

Unrelated String

i wouldn't be surprised if a lot don't actually

Aiden Chow

7:10 AM

stack length would be so useful in piet lol

emanresu A

7:35 AM

Vyxal has stack length because it's a descendent of Keg, which itself takes that feature from ><>. The first example of a "stack length" command I can find is OGEL, made in 2006.

Aiden Chow

7:49 AM

@emanresuA da hell is ogel lol

emanresu A

See link I guess

Aiden Chow

8:04 AM

@emanresuA how you even find this, u use this lang before???

mousetail

8:28 AM

@emanresuA I appreciate a esolang that has a convenient way to do syscalls

emanresu A

@AidenChow Searching "stack length" and similar on esolangs

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forth seems to have had DEPTH since at least 1983

mousetail

Stack length is kind of useless in a practlang unless you have a way to isolate separate stacks. Since it can't be used in functions. It's only useful for very short bits of code but can greatly simplify those

emanresu A

9:08 AM

PyGamer0

@emanresuA that meme is very funny

PyGamer0

9:28 AM

nice

mousetail

nice

PyGamer0

CMM: Will ldq questions be off topic here once the other site becomes a thing?

3

mousetail

No, we also get a lot of math questions despite math.se being a thing

Aiden Chow

i think it still stay on topic, its closely related to code golf after all

also guys i thought in haskell $ mean u can remove parentheses... so why this isnt working??? tio.run/##y0gszk7Nyfn/P03BwNaAK00hzzYvITc/…

mousetail

That being said it would be advantageous for the new site to discuss there as much as possible

Aiden Chow

9:33 AM

but then i replace the $ with parentheses it works????

emanresu A

One does not simply understand Haskell

Aiden Chow

i must be misunderstanding smth wrong about haskell lol

like literally in the test suite in the footer the $ is working fine

but in the actual code i have to do f(n`div`2) not f$n`div`2

so confuse lol

like print $ f 4 works fine.... i dont have to do print (f 4)

im just gonna post this answer for now.... hopefully someone can explain this to me lol

emanresu A

(div probably has lower precedence than $)

Aiden Chow

shoot so the parentheses is required then?

thats kinda weird tho, i thought $ was supposed to modify the precedence of the thing after it

maybe i misunderstand it, haskell is weird af

emanresu A

Isn't $ just a function call op?

Aiden Chow

9:40 AM

idek anymore

Adám

Why does YouTube not allow <> (not even as <>!) in titles and descriptions‽ Surely, Google knows how to escape/sanitise/use entities! (People resort to using ＜＞ which is just going to give confusing results when viewers try to copy and paste code…)

Aiden Chow

ok well i post my answer... i hope someone with haskell experience can help golf the code

also i post an apl answer there too cuz why not, im watching patiently to see when adam or whoever gonna golf it down to smth absurd like 3 bytes lmfao

oh wait adam just post a msg above me... i dont even realize that lmfao

yo what if someone do bitcycle to convert number to binary... that would be cool

would be a pain tho cuz how u gonna divide in bitcycle...

Adám

@AidenChow Golf what?

Aiden Chow

@Adám theres a recent challenge call number to binary... im interested to see how golfy u can make it lol

in apl of course

i have a super naive solution {(⍵⍴2)⊤⍵} but u can 100% beat that

Adám

In vanilla Dyalog APL, you can do ⍴∘2⊤⊢

Aiden Chow

9:53 AM

wat da hell is that

theres an upside down t and a sideways t lmao

Adám

In my Extended Dyalog APL, it is indeed 3 bytes: -↑⊤ Try it online!

Aiden Chow

bruh what its actually 3 bytes... didnt expect that

maybe i should delete by 9 bytes answer after seeing this lol

i have no idea how either of these work anyways

Adám

I can explain.

Aiden Chow

im mainly confused on what the hell that sideways t is

and idek whats going on in the extended one

lyxal

@Adám what's the shape needed for?

Aiden Chow

9:56 AM

@lyxal its needed for the encode i think

defines how long it is i think?

PyGamer0

@AidenChow sideways T just returns the right argument

Adám

⍴∘2⊤⊢ is a fork; three functions f g h on an argument x is (f x)g(h x) exactly like in TMN where (f+g)(x) is f(x)+g(x). ⍴∘2 is 2 bound as fixed right argument to reshape. ⊢ is an identity function. So my function is equivalent to {((⍴∘2)⍵)⊤(⊢⍵)} i.e. {(⍵⍴2)⊤⍵}

And yes, the left argument of ⊤ needs a 2 for each little-endian bit.

Aiden Chow

dude i should delete my answer after seeing this... i knew my answer could be converted to a train but damn this is cool

Adám

The Extended function -↑⊤ relies on an extension of ⊤ to be monadic and default to as many left-argument 2s as necessary to fully represent the (right) argument. However, we want specifically n trailing bits, so we negate the argument and take (from the rear) to pad on the left with 0s.

@AidenChow Nah, you can just edit with 9 and the new solution.

Aiden Chow

alrighty if u say so

lyxal

10:01 AM

@Adám dang it just one byte shorter than the inverse decode solution

Inverse decode looks much nicer than having to reshape :p

Adám

Wait, I didn't actually look at the challenge. I just worked off Aiden's code as spec.

If all we have to do is convert to binary, then indeed it is ⊥⍣¯1 in vanilla Dyalog, or ⊤ in Extended Dyalog or dzaima/APL.

Aiden Chow

well its just converting number to binary, i just had a bunch of leading zeros cuz like thats allowed

@Adám what the

O_O

lyxal

Inverse decode ftw

Aiden Chow

whats that star

Adám

Power operator, like f²(x) in TMN.

lyxal

10:03 AM

Repeat

Or what Adam said

Adám

In this case, we're doing f⁻¹(x) i.e. applying the inverse of f.

Aiden Chow

oh dang

why we have to do that instead of just doing encode?? whats the difference with doing this?

lyxal

It's shorter :p

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Draw Parcly Taxel's cutie mark code-golfgraphical-output I've been a fan of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic for a long time, and very early on I created a pony version of myself also called Parcly Taxel. She's the blue winged unicorn in the picture below: Note the galaxy-like symbol on Parcl...

Adám

@AidenChow ⊤ requires you to specify which types and how many digits you want.

But since 2⊥ is enough to evaluate from binary, then its inverse must be enough to represent in binary.

lyxal

10:06 AM

Man where has inverse decode been when I've needed it

Aiden Chow

this is making my brain hurt

lyxal

I only found it from searching up how the hell encode works just now. Would have been nice to have known about for some things lol

@AidenChow you get used to it

Adám

@lyxal On APLcart.

Parcly Taxel

new sandbox post from me above

Aiden Chow

ok soooo... can i just like use this 4 byte answer in my answer

or maybe u want to post it urself adam?

lyxal

10:07 AM

@Adám well you see, I didn't think to look for m in base n in the cart at the time

Adám

@AidenChow No, go ahead.

Aiden Chow

errr ok then

Adám

@lyxal Did you search for something else that I can add as search terms?

lyxal

I don't think I even used apl cart back when I was doing base conversion stuff

Aiden Chow

da hell does domain error mean

Parcly Taxel

10:09 AM

like if you do log(-1)

(with a real-only-valued log)

Aiden Chow

oh i mean domain error in the context of apl

some wonky stuff is happening here lol

can someone try this... razetime.github.io/APLgolf/…

does it need to be string input or what

Adám

@AidenChow It is saying it cannot find an argument to ⊥ such that the result is 4.

Aiden Chow

ok.... so im calling the function wrong i suppose?

Adám

That's because ⊥ never gives any result at all; ⊥ is strictly dyadic in vanilla APL.

You can write 2∘⊥⍣¯1 though.

But then ⍴∘2⊤⊢ is shorter.

Aiden Chow

what the... so many different versions of apl

Adám

10:14 AM

Yeah :-( this works

lyxal

@AidenChow You only ever need Unicode, extended and dzamia :p

Aiden Chow

DAMN 1 byte

thats actually insane

ok time to ~~steal~~ borrow that for my answer :P

@ParclyTaxel theres log for non-real numbers??

Adám

In APL, yes.

Parcly Taxel

why, complex logarithm

lyxal

@Adám btw thank you so much for aplcart. It really is a major time saver

Adám

10:17 AM

You're most welcome.

Aiden Chow

@lyxal yea bro its useful af

some good stuff there

@ParclyTaxel huh interesting

Parcly Taxel

Complex logarithm

In mathematics, a complex logarithm is a generalization of the natural logarithm to nonzero complex numbers. The term refers to one of the following, which are strongly related: A complex logarithm of a nonzero complex number z {\displaystyle z} , defined to be any complex number w {\displaystyle w} for which e w = z {\displaystyle e^{w}=z} . Such a number w...

Aiden Chow

@ParclyTaxel cool!

learning new things today lol

about both coding and math XD

Parcly Taxel

from the complex exponential and logarithm the complex versions of trig and hyperbolic functions are defined

(and their inverses)

Aiden Chow

is that like the tanh and cosh and sinh thingy

ive seen them before but never really know what they are

also did u see the 50 byte piet answer i put out and the comments i put on ur piet answer parcly taxel...

Parcly Taxel

10:22 AM

yeah...

...the only problem is the leading zero in your answer

PyGamer0

@AidenChow sin and cos but defined for a hyperbola (i am not sure if thats the actual definition)

Aiden Chow

@ParclyTaxel yea but thats allowed from the rules

i could fix it but im not sure how my byte count will do after that...

@PyGamer0 hyperbola?? how is that defined in that way?

like triangles and hyperbolas are two totally separate things

im not sure how trigonometry can be applied to hyperbolas

PyGamer0

@AidenChow en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_functions

it just is ok dont question it :P

pxeger

@AidenChow $ is just an ordinary operator, with very loose precedence, so n`mod`2+10*f$n`div`2 gets parsed as (n`mod`2+10*f) (n`div`2)

if you want to view it as "inserting parentheses", then it inserts them on the left as well as the right

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10:38 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Find the sum of the sub-list with the largest sum Challenge Given a list that contains an integer, a sub-list is a contiguous non-empty sequence of elements within that list. For example, the list \$[1, 3, -2, 5, -6]\$, has some sub-lists \$[1]\$, \$[3, -2]\$, \$[3, -2, 5, -6]\$, etc. Your job t...

Parcly Taxel

11:17 AM

@AidenChow codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/258456/110698

lyxal

12:05 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing I see your username and raise you "6helalmountingsQ%"

you say your username is from a functioning jelly sss implementation? Well 6helalmountingsQ% comes straight off the press from a non-functioning vyxal sss implementation

which is arguably better

Ginger

it's almost as good as 🅱️avid LLL

almost

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12:26 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Largest Binary Area Take the sequence of all natural numbers in binary: # # # # # # # # # ## ## ## ## #### #### ######## ## Notice there are areas of connected 1s in the binary representation of the number. Your task is, for a given n, calculate the biggest contin...

mathcat

12:50 PM

@Ginger I'm afraid they might be plotting against us

Weeks have gone by and not a single post from our 🅱️avid

Parcly Taxel

codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/… ehh, I honestly think this will be interesting, why the downvote?

caird coinheringaahin g

1:17 PM

@lyxal alright then, do it

lyxal

The hell am I gonna do 6 helal mountings Q%?

Ginger

why do that when you can do kyangarborannunciative?

caird coinheringaahin g

Change your username if you claim it's better :P

Ginger

or nWASTS_ablative?

lyxal

well it's too late now

the sss implementation is 85% working :p

it's no longer funny because it's no longer broken :p

I just have the space flag and swapcase flag functioning the wrong way around

apparently

flag_space ^= flag != 0

Dennis, why couldn't you have used normal boolean logic

instead of bitwise bs

mathcat

1:21 PM

@lyxal kinda neat lol

I do that sometimes too

lyxal

not when you're porting it to a language which doesn't let booleans and ints play nice

mathcat

~~scala go fix yourself~~

lyxal

if (flagSpace.toInt ^ (flag != 0).toInt) == 1 then true else false

not so neat is it

mathcat

Isn't 0 false in scala?

lyxal

0 is an integer

integers can't be used where booleans are needed

this is a jvm language, we don't do numbers as bools here

mathcat

1:25 PM

oof

lyxal

so what does flag_space ^= flag != 0 do?

mathcat

I have no idea, I was talking about using ^= to toggle ones and zeros.

ig that's what dennis is doing here too

So flag_space gets toggled if flag is truthy.

lyxal

my goodness

I've done it

I've done what no man should ever do

port both sss and a sss compressor to a statically typed language

mathcat

good lord

Ginger

ah yes, super silly strings

lyxal

1:36 PM

my goodness it works with different word lists too

caird coinheringaahin g

@PyGamer0 I suggest asking this on meta once LDQ launches its public beta

lyxal

@mathcat exactly how I feel

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2:32 PM

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Q: Decoding a non injective bit matrix encoding

The problem Someone has created an encoding format for square bit matrices, however they have found it isn't perfect! One encoding may not decode to exactly one matrix, or it may not even be possible to decode. Knowing this, you're tasked to write a program to decode a set of encodings and since ...

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Rydwolf Programs

2:43 PM

@PyGamer0 No, I think the occasional questions about golflang design will be fine on-site, and LDQs here in chat will of course be okay too

We'd kind of be duplicating information if we had questions about golflang design both on here and PL((I)D(I)), but that's not a huge issue

LIQ: Parser library/generator or roll-my-own?

Ginger

library, PLEASE

trust me you won't regret it

Rydwolf Programs

I've heard you get less control over error messages and stuff

Ginger

I think ANTLR has Rust bindings

@RydwolfPrograms not if you use a good library

I love ANTLR: I write some BNF and boom I get ready-made code out the other end

pxeger

@RydwolfPrograms roll your own

you'll learn more

and it is much more flexible

Ginger

don't reinvent the wheel!

Parcly Taxel

2:57 PM

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger It kind of isn't tho

Parcly Taxel

@AidenChow codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/242455/110698

Rydwolf Programs

Using a parser generator is just reinventing a wheel, automatically

And I can probably reinvent it better than the automated tool

Parcly Taxel

well, how's this factorial program? Is it optimised enough for you?

Ginger

*don't reinvent the wheel, use automation to generate thousands more d:

Rydwolf Programs

2:58 PM

@pxeger Well, this is less about learning, and more I actually want to make a good praclang

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3:16 PM

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Q: Sum of strings (UTF-16 codepoints)

Your function must accept two strings and return new string where are UTF-16 code of all symbols is the sum of UTF-16 codes of inputs symbols If the resulting sum is greater than 65535 (maximum UTF-16 codepoint), take the sum modulo 65536 If there are more symbols in one string then sum with ze...

code-golf

Rydwolf Programs

I'm considering transpiling Cuprous to Rust

Sort of like a reverse-TypeScript situation

The alternative would be LLVM but being compatible with an existing (and similar) language would probably be good for availability-of-libraries purposes

> Source : 1542265

Ginger

oh no

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah if Rust is 1.5m sloc maybe I should not try to beat it in quality :p

Ginger

so what're you going to do now? d:

Rydwolf Programs

Transpile to Rust

Given that Cuprous basically aims to be "Rust but with nicer syntax and some compiler inference" that's probably a better way to do it anyway

Seggan

3:42 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing once language development questions reaches public beta? :P

caird coinheringaahin g

@Seggan I don't know anything about the new site, including it's name, beyond "it's about lang dev"

Mast

I think most of the active users originate from here :-)

Aiden Chow

4:08 PM

@PyGamer0 huh interesting

@pxeger oh, so I can’t use $ somehow in my code?

pxeger

what do you mean "somehow"?

Aiden Chow

4:27 PM

like is there a golfier way to write what i wrote

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Q: The number of distinct words in a sentence

Challenge: Find the number of distinct words in a sentence (code golf) Your task is to write a program that takes a sentence as input and returns the number of distinct words in it. For this challenge, words are defined as consecutive sequences of letters, digits, and underscores ('_'). Input: A...

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pxeger

@AidenChow not obviously

Aiden Chow

@pxeger so... theres still a way?

pxeger

there might be, but if there is, I can't spot it

DLosc

4:53 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Every time I see a post of yours now, I XKCD 1015 :/

caird coinheringaahin g

You're welcom e

Aiden Chow

@ParclyTaxel nice! just saying i golf mine number to binary down to 44 bytes and remove the leading zero problem at the same time :D codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/258507/96039

maybe it can be golfed even further lol

hmmm i had a cursed idea to golf it down further but it might work... what if i put the first loop i have as an outer loop, then afterwards it will exit into a loop inside what the outer loop encircles

kinda like concentric circles

it might work cuz the first loop has more instructions than the second loop

DLosc

5:09 PM

Now you're thinking with ~~portals~~ codels

Aiden Chow

this is kinda what im thinking: tio.run/##K85JLM5ILf7/vzg/N1UhMy@zJDMxJ7MqMy9dITk/…

A indicates the outer loop, B indicates the inner loop

W means white codel and X means black codel

the DP+ indicates the direction change instruction, it acts to branch the code basically

what yall think about this

@DLosc lmfaoooo

oh wait this wont work

im being dumb

the inner loop will have to have a border of black codels or smth cuz otherwise the IP will just travel back into the outer loop

rip

maybe i can somehow fit DP+ instructions inside the inner loop to manually turn the IP

oooh yea thats an idea

im not entirely sure if theres enough space to fit all of that inside the outer loop though

probably bubbler has some insane strategy to make all of this work lmfao

or like completely outgolf me with a 30 byte answer lol

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Canonical form of a cubic Bézier curve code-golfmathdecision-problemgeometry On Pomax's Primer on Bézier Curves this "fairly funky image" appears: Every cubic Bézier curve can be put in a "canonical form" by an affine transformation that maps its first three control points to (0,0), (0,1) and (1...

Parcly Taxel

@AidenChow your smaller Piet program still returns leading zero for 0 and 1, but ehh

also, this codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/258560/110698

DLosc

5:50 PM

@AidenChow Y'all's Piet golf war has inspired me to try number-to-binary in Quipu. I'm now regretting my life choices a bit. :P

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