The Nineteenth Byte

@PyGamer0 Hey, blame the IETF, not me

hello world

@pxeger dunno, I already fixed it

5:19 PM

@BgilMidol This is Foo ;)

@DLosc 05ab1e intended

@GingerIndustries Nope, same error

Firefox 98

5:37 PM

status-repro

Works on Chrome

Works on Edge

status-inprogress

[Status-How do I do cool tag stuff in chat???

@mathcat [tag:tagname]

status-complete

nice

5:48 PM

status-norepro

It works fine for me

status-nonrepro-too

repl.co is down it seems

@GingerIndustries I'm still getting Uncaught TypeError on Firefox

try a hard refresh

I did

5:56 PM

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

6:09 PM

why the fuck is discord out again

SOCK² 2.0 is working :D

It now only forwards traffic to sites that are actually blocked, and if it detects a site isn't blocked, it just forwards it to a socks proxy on the same machine (effectively removing the proxy entirely for that site)

@RadvylfPrograms Strange, my socks always work.

I just put them on

6:23 PM

@BgilMidol python

@SegFaultPlus4 no, it outputs nothing

@hyper-neutrino HN you have to let discord go, it went down forever a year ago

@BgilMidol julia

nope

6:39 PM

SOCK² can now almost load Reddit before the bandwidth gets throttled and everything explodes

Which is what I use as my test since...

blocking: reddit.com
blocking: reddit.com
blocking: www.reddit.com
blocking: www.redditstatic.com
blocking: gql.reddit.com
blocking: gql.reddit.com
blocking: oauth.reddit.com
blocking: oauth.reddit.com
blocking: www.redditmedia.com
blocking: oauth.reddit.com
blocking: v.redd.it
blocking: v.redd.it
ws.throw: [object Object]
ws.throw: [object Object]
blocking: styles.redditmedia.com
blocking: a.thumbs.redditmedia.com
blocking: b.thumbs.redditmedia.com
blocking: preview.redd.it
blocking: alb.reddit.com

It's quite the torture test for anything trying to figure out what is and isn't blocked :p

@RadvylfPrograms what's sock**2 again?

My system to bypass my school's internet filtering

@BgilMidol is it an esolang, a golflang, or a serious lang

@SegFaultPlus4 golf

@RadvylfPrograms you're bad\nass

6:42 PM

question

spaces or tabs

hint

it's <

@SegFaultPlus4 space?

Tabs should not exist

Tab key? Sure. Tab char? No.

@RadvylfPrograms My editor converts tabs to 4 spaces.

Almost all do

@RadvylfPrograms yes!

Tabs are evil

6:55 PM

Wordle 262 4/6

🟩⬛⬛⬛⬛
⬛⬛🟨🟩⬛
🟩⬛🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Why is everyone finding it so hard?

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

imagine using spaces

Aaroneous Miller

imagine using indentation

Sandbox Posts

0

Repeat List Until Longer code-golf The Challenge The challenge is simple: given an input list a and another list b, repeat a until it is longer than b. Call the repeated list ra. Then the following condition must hold true: len(b) < len(ra) <= len(b) + len(a). That is, a must not be repeated more...

@GingerIndustries status-still-not-working

@emanresuA ¯¯\__(ಠ__ಠ)__/¯¯

that's cursed

7:01 PM

@hyper-neutrino it's a weird outage too

🟨🟩⬛⬛🟨
🟩🟩🟩⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

like usually you can't get past the loading screen

Oof nice

but this time you can like

see all of your servers and all of the channels on them

but each channel's messages individually fail to load

Daniel, about the same age, I was asked to leave class for claiming that pi is not 22/7. The math teacher said that 3.14 is an approximation and while some people falsly believe that pi=3.14 but the true answer is 22/7. Years later an Israeli newspaper published a story about a person who can memorize the first 2000 digits of pi and the article contained the first 200 digits. A week later the newspaper published a correction: "Some of our readers pointed out that pi=22/7". Then the "corrected" (periodic) 200 digits were included. Memorizing digits of pi is a whole different matter if pi=22/7. — Gil Kalai May 11, 2010 at 5:45

Oh no

7:11 PM

o̅_o̅

:|

Pi is now 22.7, didn't you hear?

The mathematicians got together and decided it'd make things so much easier

@RadvylfPrograms wth no

tau was bad enough

Yeah they decided just last month, different mathematicians had been using different pis, but we've standardized it now

> Tis' a favorite project of mine,
> A new value of pi to assign.
> I'd fix it at 3, for it's simpler you see,
> Than 3.14159.

7:18 PM

Can we please make pi a pie and not a number?

pi=4

@mathcat It will be easier to memorize what pi is that way

@mathcat My office celebrates March 14th by bringing pies

I will be making a pie for the first time in my life this weekend

Okay golfers, time for a story about the Indiana Pi Bill.

@UnrelatedString lol, yeah, it's pretty weird

7:21 PM

@GingerIndustries Was he killed by Jon Skeet?

interesting coincidence, last time there was an outage was when i just finished rewriting my bot for a server

lmao

so the downtime actually let me turn off my bot and migrate the database without affecting anything

just last night i decided to stop my second rewrite because i am too busy and wasn't really motivated to do it anymore

and there's another outage today kekw

> not hosting your bot on a laptop

imagine not hosting your bot on a Rapsberry Pi

7:23 PM

i host the bot on myself

the bot is actually me just manually looking at every message myself

w
wat

there's actually an ongoing joke in the server that i'm not a human but actually a robot lmao

~~if only they knew~~

@DLosc ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_

@emanresuA _ಠ_

7:26 PM

@GingerIndustries ⬡≈⭘

(Took way too long to find a Unicode circle approximately the same size as that Unicode hexagon :P)

CMC: Given n, create an n-generation ಠ_ಠ. The first generation is ಠ_ಠ, and the rest are two of the previous joined by _

@DLosc Unicode circle doesn't render for me

@emanresuA python, 27 bytes: tio.run/##K6gsycjPM/…

*29

@emanresuA f=n=>n?f(--n)+"_"+f(n):"ಠ"

--n for -2

7:31 PM

@UnrelatedString would be nice if i could read

lol

@RadvylfPrograms ... that version doesn't work, --n is needed

shhhh

It's always said --n

@emanresuA :(

Browser compatibility is a pain

Here's a blast from the past:

Aug 27, 2016 at 3:35, by Helka Homba

Mini-challenge: Summarize the plot of a favorite movie/book in 29 bytes or less.

Aug 27, 2016 at 3:36, by Helka Homba

The let other people guess the title

7:41 PM

“¡qñṁ¶ṅ⁵/⁽z ẓƓĿṠọ¢H»

@DLosc Are we trying to opimize for it being easy or hard, or fun?

everyone frantically opens up jelly interpreter

i already had it up for this ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ

except me who doesn't know how to compress strings in jelly

there's an optimal compressor on the tips page and on hyper's jht site

7:45 PM

@UnrelatedString I just used ASCII stuff for Vyxal, 9 bytes - integer compression is kinda sussy anyway

@UnrelatedString Yeah, used that

jelly filters out non-sbcs characters in unicode mode

@emanresuA I'm going to go put this in Sandbox, one sec

there miiiiight be a shorter way to get 3232 than ⁽®ḃ but that is just three bytes already

@RadvylfPrograms Fun. I think the optimal example is one that takes a while to guess, but somebody does guess it and then everybody else goes "Ohh, yeah"

It's too easy to pick something obscure that no one will ever get.

29 bytes is just too restrictive for what I want to do :|

7:52 PM

Ha! I was toying with suggesting a smaller limit.

Here's what I had, it's over the limit but meh:

nvm

JewelryMelted

Lord of the Rings

Yep!

BoyAndDadStealBirdsFromForest

7:56 PM

KidsPlayW/Dog,ExploreBasement

CryptoBullshitTVSeries

@emanresuA Is it a Roald Dahl book?

Yes :)

I forgot what it's called lol

@GingerIndustries -graphy or -currency

@RadvylfPrograms currency

actually BlockchainBullshitTVSeries

7:58 PM

@emanresuA Hm, then I haven't read that one

The late 2010s and early 2020s have been tough for technology terminology. "I bought a WAP with lots of crypto" now means something totally different.

o/

how to do latex in SE

\$...\$

or $$...$$

oh

Adám

8:00 PM

Not enabled on every site, though.

@RadvylfPrograms I'm coming up with ideas for KidsPlayW/Dog,Explore and KidsPlay,ExploreBasement, but not both together... hmm...

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

@emanresuA o/

Sandbox Posts

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ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ Thanks to emanresu A for suggesting this. The challenge is simple: Given a number \$n\ge 1\$ , output that generation of ಠ_ಠ faces, where each generation is two of the previous one joined by an underscore. Examples: In: 1 Out: ಠ_ಠ In: 2 Out: ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ In: 5 Out: ಠ_ಠ_...

@GingerIndustries I don't watch much TV, so I'm pretty sure I won't know this

@DLosc Danny, the Champion of the World

8:02 PM

@DLosc WW2PilotGoesInsane

@pxeger Wild guess: Catch-22?

Yup

@DLosc alternate: MonkeyCryptoShow

PersonTriesToKillStudent

PrisonB(r)eak

(going for the really golfy category :p)

8:05 PM

BoyLearnsHowToTrainADragon

@mathcat That's pretty vague--could fit most of the Harry Potter books, for starters :P

lol

@pxeger Um

How to Train Your Dragon? Or Eragon?

the former

never heard of Eragon

@pxeger Lol

8:05 PM

@DLosc ah yeah

@RadvylfPrograms Chicken Run?

No

Ah, dang. I would've felt really clever if that had been right. X^D

good guess though

TooLongBook:ManCatchesBigFish

@pxeger Moby Dick

8:08 PM

nope

If it was supposed to be Moby Dick, I would have several objections to that description ^_^

DiaryOfMiddleSchoolKid

That's like a whole genre :p

@pxeger D ociyMbk?

??

8:10 PM

this is cool

@pxeger Hint: set in the Carribean

o/[bye]

\o

@pxeger ~~Pirates of the Caribic~~

>:| can people stop just saying o/ without context, I never know if they're joining or leaving

8:13 PM

@pxeger Moby Dick of the Caribbian?

@RadvylfPrograms \e

-.-

\e

ಠ/

Feb 13 at 19:04, by Ginger Industries

\ಠ

oh looks like discord's back

8:14 PM

@pxeger I'm drawing a blank

@DLosc A blank:

hint 2: American author

Apparently Jaws was a novel before it was a movie... but it's not set in the Caribbean. :/

CowboysVsGermans

(very much a stretch)

hint 3: the big fish is a Marlin

8:21 PM

@pxeger All I can say is that I'm quite certain I've never read it :P

spoiler

somehow my "oh" failed to send

@RadvylfPrograms Some WWII story?

@pxeger Huh, Wikipedia calls it a "novella." Still too long?

Nope

It was very boring to me

but it won a Pulitzer so I'm guessing it just went over my head

I was probably like 15 when I read it

8:25 PM

the type of fish sounded familiar so i looked it up and my immediate reaction was

ManAttackedByExFanboy

i probably had it somewhat mixed up with vague spoiler

^

8:42 PM

if we're dropping the "favorite" part of the game here's an extreme stretch: APLphobicPropaganda

That could be like, almost any programming language tutorial

Learn You a Haskell for Great Good?

9:09 PM

more like, if you make several barely-founded assumptions about what inspired a poorly thought out plot point, treats it as:
- literally unreadable
- completely obsolete and orphaned
- implicated in a plan for world domination

9:22 PM

@NewPosts butterize?

It's not spam

ah

it's... probably their homework

→ 1 message moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

@UnrelatedString imagine asking for homework help on CGSE

9:23 PM

either they've done something astoundingly confused or the assignment itself also sucks

also that code formatting sucks wow

yeah

it's not even a good question

also i don't even get what this is supposed to be

why are there three addition operations

also the ide is hideous

9:24 PM

also this doesn't even compile

like... ?

this code looks like it was written by a short-circuiting computer keyboard drooled on by a 3-year-old

0" + "9

Well I mean, according to OP it's JavaScript, so no compilation needed.

lmao

It's like when your dad removes the whole house's smoke detector batteries; no compiler, no compiler errors. Problem solved.

9:26 PM

it's not even valid JS, so more like hitting the smoke detectors with a hammer

Also I am probably going to die in a house fire one day

6

almost reminds me of

what the fok

cpythava

@UnrelatedString did you mean: "def f():x='seven';\nprint('x=7')"?

Can we just talk about the tabs along the bottom (!) of this IDE? Practice with constants.java (yuck, spaces?!) and Sentinals.java (wat?)

9:28 PM

from a reddit post like a year ago; iirc it was some student's attempt at... just setting x to 7

@RadvylfPrograms are tabs on the bottom not normalish? but yeah those are horrid holy fuck

I need to find that image in my cache, one sec

@UnrelatedString did you mean: x = 7?

@GingerIndustries You need to do what now?

maybe we should contact op to find what school they're from so we can stage an intervention

We can like...rappel down from the ceiling with machine guns and katanas and forcibly take over the CS department

9:30 PM

@RadvylfPrograms we're the Richard Stallmen of code golf

it's probably a high school where the cs department is a single middle aged tennis coach

Yeah prolly but "rappel down from the ceiling and take Coach Johnson hostage" doesn't sound as good

3

yeah the spaces in .java file names is cursed

also if not for the taskbar this would look like it was screenshotted in like windows xp based on the ide lmao

come to think of it don't .java files have to have the same name as the class

how would that even work with spaces

Any feedback?

9:38 PM

does anyone have that image

Which one

the image in that post

chrome's being a baka sus and won't let me view it

lonk

Also baka susin would mean "the fool is suspicious (of something)"

baka sus or baka ladi susin is probably more what you meant

okay jesus christ

what is the m in the taskbar

and why are they using a Windows 98 app on Windows 11

Ooh when a cloudflare blog posts starts with "CVE-" you know things just got real

9:43 PM

ohoho

> This type of attack reflects traffic off vulnerable servers to victims, amplifying the amount of traffic sent in the process by an amplification factor of 220 billion percent in this specific case.

So the second most boring kind of CVE, but still something

@RadvylfPrograms ah yes, 220 billion percent is second most boring

Oh wow I'm getting 100 Mbps on school wifi over through my proxy (in unblocked mode, so not really proxying at all)

I have a bit of conspiracy theory that ISPs intentionally give higher priority to traffic to and from speed testing sites

Don't know if I'm just paranoid or if they really do

But it wouldn't surprise me

I have 539 starred messages

3

@RadvylfPrograms how do i find out how many i have?

Click "show all 31178", and click "starred by me".

There's 50 messages per page, except for the last one

9:53 PM

@RadvylfPrograms I have 1.

You'll have to count those by hand or use document.querySelector(".content").length

10:04 PM

@RadvylfPrograms Is the 539 the ones you've starred, or the ones you've posted and others have starred?

10:34 PM

@RadvylfPrograms Wrong

10:51 PM

@allxy How do you know?

See the message I replied to

@allxy Depends on the answer to my question, tho

Ones I've posted that've been starred

I've starred more than twice as many

mwahaha

Oh wow...I've starred more than a 25th of the messages starred in this room

And posted more than a 50th

10:57 PM

wow

lyxal

The privileges of being awake during conversations where people are active

YT keeps resetting my light/dark theme and autoplay preferences

@RadvylfPrograms I have 101. Reading back through some of the old ones was interesting. Turns out I used to be a noob who didn't understand how to use chat, just like everyone else. :)

11:16 PM

It's usually three keystrokes for a ping, but yeah.

@, first letter, tab

lyxal

Remembering back to some of my earlier messages reminds me of how there was a time where I'd insert a space after the colon that you see when replying to someone to indicate a reply but not ping them

i do sometimes wish there were a reply-without-ping feature much like discord's

11:32 PM

@DLosc How do you find your first messages?

@BgilMidol I didn't, exactly... I basically just read down my entire list of starred messages. :P There might be a way to do it, IDK.

@hyper-neutrino you can sorta do it by quoting with a permalink but that takes up waaaay more space