The Nineteenth Byte

caird coinheringaahing

12:18 AM

I love it when I draft a question and in the "Similar Questions" thing, five of the top 6 are my own challenges :P

lyxal

it do be like that sometimes

Neil

took me ages to work out why I didn't earn Thought Bubble on PPCG - it's because I have SO as the parent of my chat user

New Posts

12:32 AM

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Q: Collect the elements of an array

Add++, the Language of the Month, has the "collect" builtin as BC. Your task is to implement this builtin. Consider a non-empty array, where each element is either: A positive digit between 1 and 9 inclusive, or A non-empty list of positive digits between 1 and 9 For example, all the following...

caird coinheringaahing

@NewPosts 6 bytes in Add++

lyxal

12:43 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing clever usage of lambda flags

hyper-neutrino

news.sky.com/story/amp/…

lyxal

Because storing the date in an integer is a great idea

Year, month, day, hour, minute, second all encoded into a 32 bit unsigned integer iirc

caird coinheringaahing

Store the date as a floating point, and randomly loose days due to floating point errors

lyxal

^ is the real reason we have leap years

caird coinheringaahing

1 day after 02/01/2022 is 03.0000000004/01/2022

hyper-neutrino

12:55 AM

@NewPosts wait, do we touch the inner lists or only group stuff at depth 0

caird coinheringaahing

Only group stuff at depth 0

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal Unix timestamps be like

hyper-neutrino

ah

@hyper-neutrino tbh this is extra cursed cuz storing it as a base 10 repr like that doesn't even make it easier for computation

like if you did like, 5 bits for the day + 4 bits for the month + whatever at least that makes some sense

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms well those are just the number of seconds since an epoch

Microsoft was storing the date like 20220103115820

Redwolf Programs

yeah

but unix timestamps do still "stor[e] the date in an integer" :p

Niko

12:59 AM

i have a idea: best of TNB 2021

caird coinheringaahing

Nice, just hit 20 hats \o/

Niko

we can search out for:
1. funniest comment
2. the most out of context
3. the best informational comment
4. the best event(do not need to be a announced one, for example cat week counts as event)

Wolgwang

is this the most active room on the network?

Redwolf Programs

Close to it, yeah

caird coinheringaahing

We are only 210 messages away from 2 million total messages in the room

Redwolf Programs

1:04 AM

Some of the language-specific SO rooms might be a bit more active, and possibly some math ones

But we're definitely one of the top few

Wolgwang

FYI we crossed 60,000,000 on chat.SE a few days ago...

caird coinheringaahing

So roughly 1 in every 30 chat messages is posted in this room

@Wolgwang TNB, Mathematics, CHQ are the three most active rooms on chat.SE, I believe

lyxal

@NewPosts what's funny is that Vyxal would also be 6 bytes if single numbers were allowed to be outputted as singletons

Actually wait 2.6.x had a bug where singletons were wrapped when molding

caird coinheringaahing

We get 4k/wk, Mathematics 4.5k, CHQ has 3.2k, and only a couple of other rooms even break 1k

Newly Featured Posts

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Q: Counting universal n-ary logic gates

Background A classical logic gate is an idealized electronic device implementing a Boolean function, i.e. one that takes a certain number of Boolean inputs and outputs a Boolean. We only consider two-input logic gates in this challenge. There are \$2^{2 \times 2} = 16\$ distinct two-input logic g...

code-golf sequence combinatorics logic-gates

Wolgwang

1:16 AM

1999700 th message

Redwolf Programs

Nice :p

@cairdcoinheringaahing Did you mean 310?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I can't do mental maths :P

Which doesn't bode well for my exams, cause we don't get calculators for those :/

Redwolf Programs

Huh

My dad brought home a fruitcake that was on sale and my family's getting mad at him because nobody's going to eat it lol

CMQ: What's an aspect of programming that doesn't get taught as much as it should?

lyxal

Hmm that's actually an interesting question

caird coinheringaahing

Golfing :P

Redwolf Programs

1:22 AM

I think writing clean, readable code is a good one, at least for all of the two programming-related classes I've been in

lyxal

I'd say the software development cycle

Redwolf Programs

Oh, that's also a good one

lyxal

And how to actually manage projects

Redwolf Programs

Or any sort of collaboration when programming projects with multiple people, in my case

Because good luck getting people in CS classes to interact with each other

Wolgwang

Which site is least active? I want to test something by posting a question for 5 minutes...

Redwolf Programs

1:26 AM

I'd do that on CGCC meta

Don't bother the three people still using WindowsPhone.SE

caird coinheringaahing

@Wolgwang Windows Phone.SE hasn't had a new question this year

(their last one was Dec 2nd 2021)

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I'm lucky the course on software development I took at high school actually covered the software development cycle - despite the fact that it was based on info from the early 2000s, it still had actually helpful content

Heh, it even looked at lexing and parsing languages

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Before that was Sep 7th

Redwolf Programs

Lucky. We hardly even covered for loops.

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms at least you didn't have to use vb.net

That was truly an experience

Redwolf Programs

1:30 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh wow, that recently?

I thought it was like...bianually lol

Windows Phone should really just me merged into retrocomputing at this point :p

Wolgwang

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hmm I wanna post verbatim copy(Yeah yeah I know it is not ethical) of this to test E-pic .

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms ooh typing

That should be taught more too

Typing as in variable typing

Sandbox Posts

1:42 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Domino tilings in an N-dimensional cube code-golf dominoes tiling sequence combinatorics Challenge Imagine an N-dimensional cube which has dimensions 2×2×...×2. Given the value of N (a positive integer), calculate the number of ways it can be divided into 2×1×1×...×1 "hyper-domino" pieces (two un...

Fmbalbuena

2:27 AM

how to implement SCBS?

hyper-neutrino

there isn't really much to implement

you just pick 256 characters and say your language's code is encoded in that codepage, and as long as you stick to only those characters you can call each one a byte

Fmbalbuena

ok, please do.

(all are random)

hyper-neutrino

technically speaking your implementation does need to have a way to accept a sequence of raw bytes of the length you say it is in order for you to claim your answer has that length

for example, jelly has a flag that allows you to enter a file that's just raw bytes, rather than being in utf-8-encoded jelly codepage characters

lyxal

vyxal does too

caird coinheringaahing

I think all SCBS langs do

Fmbalbuena

2:33 AM

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F

caird coinheringaahing

UTF-8 is just a convenience

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing they should, but some don't

or at least didn't for a long time

Fmbalbuena

^ Someone can do this?

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Technically speaking then, I don't think they can claim to use a custom code page

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing things they don't tell you when you're new to creating golfing languages.

hyper-neutrino

2:35 AM

by definition, technically that is the case. i don't think we've really ever cared to check but because of the implementation-defines-language definition, you would need to be able to accept a string of that many bytes to claim your code has that many bytes

lyxal

I may have left Keg without an actual raw byte system for 3 years yet still claimed SBCS during that time...

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, we do take most things at face value here :P

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino data = open(__import__("sys").argv[0], encoding='scbs') will do.

:P

caird coinheringaahing

open(filename, mode = 'rb) works :P

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing EOLERROR

@lyxal acess to Lyxal's Juicy Memes Stash?

Bubbler

2:42 AM

Actually there's a consensus about having a tool to transliterate from and into SBCS <-> bytes == chars

which can be somewhat extended to "doesn't use more than 256 distinct chars <-> bytes == chars"

Fmbalbuena

@Bubbler wdym?

Fmbalbuena

2:55 AM

@pxeger i have a question

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A: Best Of CGCC 2021 - Call for categories

Best new programming languages New programming languages sometimes is useful, But the answer gets more golfy and gets accepted, Even if it's new language.

user

@RedwolfPrograms Testing and (good) documentation. I’ve never written “real “ code but I assume those are extremely important

caird coinheringaahing

3:10 AM

@RedwolfPrograms How to properly use comments. Take a look at my github, I never use comments, because I was taught to basically comment everything, regardless of what it did. The way schools teach commenting now misses the point of comments

hyper-neutrino

i personally stand by the opinion that most of your code should be written in a way that allows someone (who is reasonably familiar with the language and any frameworks, at least) to understand (approximately) what it does just by reading the code itself, and hence does not need commenting

ofc some larger things could do with some comments to explain some high-level things, and documentation is important

caird coinheringaahing

Agreed

That was my main design goal with Add++ v6 tbh

hyper-neutrino

but like, do I really need to comment print(sorted(a)) # sorts the list "a" and prints it? :P

Fmbalbuena

help me

caird coinheringaahing

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Q: Discount Pokemon Battles

I have decided to create a discount Pokemon battle simulator using a module called guizero. It's basically a wrapper for Tkinter that is easier to learn. Recently, I started to learn OOP and thought that this project would be a good practice for my "new-found skills". Someone in my computing grou...

python beginner python-3.x battle-simulation pokemon

user

3:14 AM

@hyper-neutrino I agree that having a comment every line is absurd, but you do still need comments for anything that isn’t super obvious

caird coinheringaahing

> This, like many of your comments, is exactly the kind of comment you should never write. It just says what the code does. We can see what the code does. Use comments, where absolutely necessary, to explain why it does it.

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing ~~off-topic~~ sry

user

If you can find a way to write code so simply that anyone can understand your function bodies, I will pay you a billion dollars to write my code :p

caird coinheringaahing

assign = all_equal([name,strength,speed,skill,age]) and name == None
self.assigned = not assign

if assign:
    return None

*chef's kiss*

hyper-neutrino

tbh installing the black plugin for atom has made my life so much easier

i get to save so much time not reformatting my code when i insert or remove things within a line/block

user

3:17 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wait a second, are you checking that all those values are None? That is some amazingly convoluted code :p

caird coinheringaahing

:P

hyper-neutrino

...

caird coinheringaahing

I was not a good coder in 2017, and am kinda a not awful one now :P

user

@hyper-neutrino Also when I manually format stuff I get paralyzed by all the choices. When an autoformatter does it for me, even if it isn’t perfect, I can shrug my shoulders and say “welp the bot said it gud so it gud” instead of spending an hour figuring out where to put a line break

hyper-neutrino

lol, yeah. some things that black does i didn't personally like at first (like no space around = in kwargs) but i've gotten used to it over time

caird coinheringaahing

3:19 AM

Why debate tab vs spaces, when you can use Jelly which doesn't even have tabs/spaces :P

user

The true way

hyper-neutrino

and on top of starting to care a lot more about code efficiency and avoiding code repetition lately (because those two have started to really bother me when i don't care about them) my code is actually fairly reasonable quality these days :P

at least compared to before, which I suppose is a low bar

caird coinheringaahing

Hell, "tab" isn't even in the SCBS :P

user

How to solve any “X vs Y debate”: get rid of both X and Y :p

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino My main motivation for clean code for Add++ v6 is that the current version of Add++ is buggy as fuck, inconsistent in it's builtins, so on and so forth, and I figured that a clean interpreter would lead to a clean language

user

3:22 AM

Use Clean to implement it instead of Python then :p

hyper-neutrino

yeah my main reason is that previously finding bugs took me forever cuz i'd have to dig through like 200 lines of code and it's impossible to tell where each stage of the algorithm starts and ends :P

caird coinheringaahing

I'd bring up an example, but my code is on my external hard drive, and that involves walking upstairs

elif cmd[0] == '{' and cmd[-1] == '}':
    if cmd[1] == ',':
        argcount = abs(int(self.stack.pop()))
        sslice = 2
    else:
        argcount = 0
        sslice = 1

    try:
        func = self.functions[cmd[sslice:-1]]
    except:
         error.UnableToRetrieveFunctionError(line, outer[line-1], cmd[1:-1])

Huh, I forgot Add++ has specific function calling syntax for dyads.

hyper-neutrino

one thing i could work on is better error types and handling

i ran one of my projects through lgtm and got a bunch of complaints about using except to catch all errors :p

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing My code is so bad I can't even remember what it does lol

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing I do love a bit of self.a(function) when I want it just on the top of the stack :p

New Posts

3:43 AM

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Q: Should I post non-language specific KOTH?

Can I post KOTH challenge, but non-language specific?

discussion asking-questions king-of-the-hill

caird coinheringaahing

@NewPosts Yes

But the specifics of it are much more complicated than one word, and I defer to Redwolf

user

The title says Should but shouldn’t it be “Can?

Fmbalbuena

answer?

caird coinheringaahing

"Yes you can, but no, you probably shouldn't"

Fmbalbuena

answer the question?

lyxal

3:54 AM

CMQ: how should printing in a lazily-evaluated map output?

like

or just

Fmbalbuena

TLDR

lyxal

that first one is generated by 10L ε3+,} in 05AB1E and 10 ƛ3+,; in vyxal

Fmbalbuena

TLgerDR

Hmmm i found a funny non-CGCC question

user

@lyxal It shouldn’t output anything

Since it’s lazily evaluated

I will die on this hill

Fmbalbuena

@user then `` in Python 3.

user

4:02 AM

?

lyxal

@user but upon full evaluation, it'll still print something

the question is should it be handled nicely or just left as-is

user

Upon full evaluation, sure

Left as is I guess

I’d expect similar behavior to printing in a for loop

Bubbler

@lyxal What does 3+, do?

lyxal

@Bubbler it adds 3 to the argument and prints it

the 3+ is arbitrary

it could be anything

Bubbler

After printing, what is left on the stack?

lyxal

4:05 AM

nothing

but in vyxal, if nothing is on the stack, the original argument is returned

Bubbler

05AB1E's output looks cursed but it's really what you get when you mix lazy evaluation with side effects (printing in this case)

So again my advice is: don't write code like that

PyGamer0

@lyxal this looks plain weird

Bubbler

@PyGamer0 It runs like "I need to print an array, so print [; now I need to print the first number, so let's evaluate it... oh, it has a print in it, let's print it; now I have the first number so I can print it now; ..."

user

4:22 AM

@Bubbler People do weird things for code golf and restricted source

PyGamer0

i have school, but im doing it offline

cause covid is slowly increasing

Redwolf Programs

So I'm watching Die Hard 2, and wow is it not good

But not in the sense that it's so-bad-it's-good, it's just plain not good

user

4:39 AM

It’s not unwatchable though is it?

I remember watching one of the Die Hard movies, idr exactly what happened but it was bearable despite having a weak plot

CMP: What are some movies that are so bad they’re good? The kind where you spend the movie laughing at how bad it is rather than enjoying the movie itself?

I would like to torture my parents tomorrow >:)

4

lyxal

Minions

user

4:57 AM

Good idea except I already made them sit through that during my cringe Minion obsession phase :(

Redwolf Programs

@user Did it involve a tower or an airport or neither?

user

I don’t remember anything about it lol

Redwolf Programs

I don't get how people can not remember things about things

user

The bald dude was on a bus and a roof at some point

@RedwolfPrograms Me neither :(

PyGamer0

@user BEE MOVIEE?

idk its a meme

Redwolf Programs

5:01 AM

The Bee Movie is totally awesome, yeah

user

Watched that already too

Redwolf Programs

I thought it was subpar before it was cool

user

@RedwolfPrograms Looking back at it it’s so frickin weird

Sapient, organized bees are scary

Redwolf Programs

We watched it at a math camp I went to, and oh man is it fun to watch with 39 other nerdy middle schoolers

user

Picked it apart to shreds? :p

Redwolf Programs

5:04 AM

Not really, people would just occasionally make really funny remarks about it

It did cut off a casual game of chess I was playing though, and it was too dark to continue

user

Hmm, I could try to get my parents to watch episode 2 star wars but I don’t know if I can sit through it again myself without choking

Redwolf Programs

I own the book for that one, unfortunately

hyper-neutrino

i'm having a ton of trouble giving a <table> a background color and padding it on the sides properly. are tables deprecated/gone as well or am I just bad?

Redwolf Programs

And it's the only one I own the book for

hyper-neutrino

cuz until like 2 days ago i didn't even realize center got removed from html5 so idk what else i'm behind on :p

Redwolf Programs

5:07 AM

@hyper-neutrino Tables still exist, IIRC the formatting works a bit differently from most stuff

hyper-neutrino

wait, i think the issue probably has to do with the fact that my structure is table > a > tr > td

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms You can probably cheat and use display: block and display: inline-block to revert that

The math camp in question has been indefinitely postponed, presumably due to COVID D:

tams.unt.edu/academics/summer-mathematics-institute

hyper-neutrino

@hyper-neutrino yeah that wasn't it

@RedwolfPrograms oh i'll give that a shot thanks

Redwolf Programs

It was super cool, we spent three weeks in a college dorm over the summer, in math classes six hours a day

Okay, maybe my idea of "super cool" is a bit unusual

user

Uh huh

Redwolf Programs

5:10 AM

But being surrounded with 40 other people my age who were just as interested in math was pretty great

user

Who are we to judge though? This is cgcc :p

@RedwolfPrograms Did one of you die?

Redwolf Programs

Yes, math overdose :(

Nah, just an off-by-one error

user

Because you said only 39 others watched the movie

Sus

@RedwolfPrograms and you call yourself a math nerd. Taktsk

Redwolf Programs

You had to like...apply to get in and stuff, and you had to take either the SAT or ACT to prove your mathiness

I took the ACT and got a 34

user

That sounds high

Redwolf Programs

5:13 AM

Nope, I just like standardized tests

I got a medal for it

user

Nice

Redwolf Programs

A girl in my science class took the SAT through the same program I took the ACT through, and got a medal as well, but didn't show up at the ceremony

user

Oh was she the one who OD’d? :(

Redwolf Programs

The program I took the ACT through was only related to the math camp

(Also just in case it wasn't clear nobody died :p)

(Actually now it looks like you were pretty clearly joking (not you Jo King) so now I feel dumb)

user

I thought it was pretty clear from the start that I was joking lol

Redwolf Programs

5:19 AM

Yeah I mostly just wanted to add some context in the transcript lol

user

Out of context messages are the best

Redwolf Programs

Nov 24 '21 at 0:34, by lyxal

I need consent from emanresuA, rak and user

Sep 30 '21 at 13:54, by Redwolf Programs

I like money though

There are two for free, from lyxal's private reserve :p

lyxal

For a moment then I was wondering how you managed to break into my out of context TNB discord group

But then I realised you were quoting me, not you.

user

@RedwolfPrograms which private reserve?

Redwolf Programs

I just searched messages from lyxal containing something along the lines of "saving this in my list of out of context TNB messages" lol

user

5:26 AM

42 mins ago, by user

I would like to torture my parents tomorrow >:)

Oh ok

Redwolf Programs

lol, that's a good one

caird coinheringaahing

@user How dare you

user

Épisode 2 is by far the worst

hyper-neutrino

user suddenly becomes french

Redwolf Programs

Idk, episode 1 isn't very good either

caird coinheringaahing

5:28 AM

I'd rather sit through the acting and dialogue of Episode 2 than have to endure the shit that is "Somehow, Palpatine returned"

Redwolf Programs

And if you count any of the disney stuff, it's no contest

user

I have a french keyboard that randomly casus french suggestions to pop up

caird coinheringaahing

At least the prequels make an effort, even if it failed from time to time

Redwolf Programs

I'm actually not too against episode 7, though it's only good-ish because it stole from episode 4, but 8 was bad and 9 is...

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing i didn’t include the new movies, they hardly count as star wars

New direction, writers, actors

caird coinheringaahing

5:31 AM

7 had potential, 8 was so disconnected that it failed, 9 was just bad

Redwolf Programs

^

user

@RedwolfPrograms better than 2 imo (although tbh i barely remember any of it, only my feelings about them when i watched them)

caird coinheringaahing

8 could've been good, but it just ignored all the foundation laid in 7, and decided to create random ass lore that didn't wokr

If you walk away from watching the sequels and aren't asking "Who the fuck was Snoke?", you didn't really watch them :P

Redwolf Programs

Yeah randomly switching to another director for the second movie only is not typically a good idea lol

user

Hey maybe i can get my parents to watch 8 and 9 then thanks for the idea

Redwolf Programs

5:33 AM

The sequels had so much potential, if the story had been actually good

caird coinheringaahing

I also dislike the fact that too many people equate disliking the sequels with disliking female lead roles. Cause Daisy Ridley is fucking amazing , but the writing is for shit

Too many people just can't understand that writers can be bad, and , no matter what the actors do, there's no salvaging a movie with a badly written script

user

^ a movie can get by with mediocre acting if the plot is good but if it’s really bad then even the best acting can’t make it palatable

Redwolf Programs

Wait I just noticed the torturing-user's-parents message is starred now lol

user

:/

Redwolf Programs

5:51 AM

> die - Ends the program. Dog dies. :(

Browsing random esolangs pages gives you some interesting languages lol

PyGamer0

@RedwolfPrograms the dog died :(

:'(

Redwolf Programs

I've had an idea for an esolang for a while, but I don't care enough to implement it: There's no looping, only conditionals, and once the last instruction in the program finishes you wrap around to the start.

Should be TC

PyGamer0

in flax, 2 mins ago, by PyGamer0

i might have potentially finished a repl

@RedwolfPrograms NLRNIS? (idk the name but its made by Fmbalbuena)

Redwolf Programs

Oh, does that work similarly?

lyxal

yeah

esolangs.org/wiki/NLRNIS

stands for No loops, Recursion neither if statements

PyGamer0

6:02 AM

wait i guessed the name right

€_£

lyxal

admittedly it doesn't loop around

but it's the same principles

get ninja'd redwolf

Redwolf Programs

I don't see any conditionals either

In which case it isn't TC

PyGamer0

noo it isnt Totally Cute

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms that's just Whenever but deterministic

also Sidex (10k+ link)

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal They seem very different lol

lyxal

6:07 AM

Sidex is more similar to what you mean

> Sidex doesn't have any control flow other than an implicitly-wrapped infinite loop; instead, the only form of sequential control flow isn't sequential; they might execute at any order. As a complement, the whole program is wrapped in an infinite loop.

PyGamer0

@lyxal i am <1k i am sad :(

Redwolf Programs

Still no conditionals though

Unrelated String

@RedwolfPrograms i think it has some facility for self-modification but last time i looked it still wasn't adequate for anything resembling conditionals

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms The conditionals and non-random stuff are critical to the way my idea works

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms latches act as conditionals

Redwolf Programs

6:09 AM

Oh huh

It'd still be very, very different to use than what I'm thinking of tho'

I'm sure something like it exists already, likely quite a few

Unrelated String

actually come to think of it this almost sounds like some kind of 1d fungeoid
except not really

lyxal

maybe backhand is more what you mean

Redwolf Programs

Cool but still very, very different

I'll write a sample program, just a sec

Unrelated String

oh yeah how did i forget about backhand

Redwolf Programs

if not s:
    i: (i || []) + input()

    if tail(i) == -1:
        i: slice(i, 0, -1)

        s: 1

if s == 2:
    if not size(i):
        stop

    print tail(i)

    i: slice(i, 0, -1)

if s == 1:
    s: 2

[implicit return to start]

Obviously the syntax would be much more esolang-y than this

But this is a program to print all inputs in reverse

It uses a state variable s to keep track of whether it's inputting or printing, since you can't nest loops

I haven't 3d printed stuff in a while...any ideas?

PyGamer0

6:26 AM

@RedwolfPrograms 2 gears, and 2 lego pieces

Redwolf Programs

I did at one point 3d print 2 gears, but no lego pieces yet :p

PyGamer0

then do 4 lego pieces

Redwolf Programs

Sounds like a boring lego set

PyGamer0

then do 400 pieces?

Redwolf Programs

Sounds good

3d printed lego bricks don't actually seem like they'd work too well, thinking about the structure. I know people make them, so I guess they must either modify them quite a bit or spend a lot of time removing supports

PyGamer0

6:30 AM

yeah i was asking for 4 huge pieces

Redwolf Programs

> A loaf of bread in Berlin that cost around 160 Marks at the end of 1922 cost 200,000,000,000 Marks by late 1923.

Okay wow

That's definitely hyperinflation

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Universal Command Sequence Definition An \$n\$-maze is a \$n\times n\$ chessboard which has "walls" on some edges, and a "king" on the board that can move to the 4 adjacent cells, which cannot pass through any walls. Starting from any cell the king should be able to reach every cell on the board....

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms chess

PyGamer0

thats also a good idea

Redwolf Programs

Ooh good idea

PyGamer0

6:37 AM

use black and white filament

Redwolf Programs

If only I had someone to play it with :(

PyGamer0

:(

does transparent filament exist?

Redwolf Programs

Maybe I should make a toroidal chess board to play against myself

@PyGamer0 Yes, but it's very difficult to work with

And it's more translucent than anything

So uh...

This is the 2 millionth message in TNB

4

PyGamer0

lol

wait

@RedwolfPrograms that is? where you tracking it?

Redwolf Programs

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/240/the-nineteenth-byte

Bottom right corner

PyGamer0

6:40 AM

i know but were you tracking the counter?

Redwolf Programs

No, I just checked it a little while ago and kept count

See y'all in the morning o/

If I'm not up by 8:30 CST ping me

PyGamer0

o/

Razetime

7:30 AM

can anyone tell me what the js code tweeting platform was called

lyxal

@Razetime dwitter

No I totally didn't steal the answer from discord

Why would I do that?

Why ever would I do such a funny thing?

Razetime

7:58 AM

gamer

PyGamer0

8:52 AM

CMP: Which error message looks better:

any other suggestions?

Razetime

keep it fully red

PyGamer0

@Razetime ok any alternative suggestion?

Razetime

just keep errors a different color from program text

red is the usual

PyGamer0

ok

is there some standard as to what exit values to return?

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Q: Maximum value after insertion: how does the solution work?

I was solving this problem, and was looking at a solution after multiple failed attempts. I understand everything that the code does, but I don't understand why. Reproduced here: string maxValue(string n, int x) { int len = n.size() - 1; int ans = len + 1; if(n[0] == '-') { ...

string

Razetime

9:05 AM

@PyGamer0 if you find that important for debugging, define them or use your implementation language's values

PyGamer0

ok

i found a bash tutorial (and a question on SO)

Razetime

@user samurai cop, joshua and the promised land

PyGamer0

ok my mind was working today

CMQ: Suggestions to import that ^ error message

wizzwizz4

@PyGamer0 Do you have any way of keeping track of where the 1 and 0 came from?

I suppose the 1 isn't all that important, really.

PyGamer0

10:20 AM

@wizzwizz4 no

actualy idk

@wizzwizz4 do you mean the arguments of ÷?

i think a better way would be to point explicitly:

  1÷0
   ^---- Error occured while executing this.
ERROR: Division by 0.

like that^

that also looks better

and running with the -d flag should give more information

Adám

@PyGamer0 Looks very APL:

DOMAIN ERROR: Divide by zero
      1÷0
       ∧

PyGamer0

  1÷0
   ^---- Error occured while executing this.
ERROR: Division by 0.
INFO: λ = 1
    | Executing ÷0, dyad-nilad pair.

Bubbler

10:36 AM

When you want more helpful error message, it is the right time to try out a 3rd party parser package

PyGamer0

£_€

noo not lark please

Adám

@wizzwizz4 What if the zero comes from inside a variable?

PyGamer0

i am fine with the current parser and the attrdict allows me to store more information like glyph

@Adám flax doesnt have variables

Adám

But it might be the result of another expression. E.g. 1÷(2-2)

PyGamer0

yeah

@Bubbler is there a jelly parser package :p

that parses jelly like tacit languages

Neil

10:45 AM

Good news: I found out how to do type checking in Charcoal. Adding a list to an unknown type always results in a list, and in particular adding an empty list only results in the original unknown if it's a list. Similarly, adding a string to a number results in a string, so adding an empty string to an unknown only results in the original unknown if it's a string. Bad news: I'm pretty sure that there was an old challenge that required type checking on the input, but I don't know how to find it.

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