The APL Orchard

PyGamer0

4:27 AM

⋄]help ;

TryAPL

@PyGamer0 help.dyalog.com/18.2/Content/Language/Symbols/Special Symbols.htm

PyGamer0

@Adám atleast there is pi and delta and capital sigma and pi

PyGamer0

9:09 AM

how do i reshape in J?

ok found it

Try it online!

Adám

10:21 AM

@axiac Hi there. Interested in APL?

Fmbalbuena

10:37 AM

@Adám run APL in Vs code?

with Code runner?

Adám

@Fmbalbuena apl.wiki/Text_editors

Fmbalbuena

@Adám ok

@Adám I doubt Github Copilot don't support APL.

PyGamer0

@Fmbalbuena there arent many github APL projects

Adám

I know for a fact that it doesn't. But it doesn't really make sense either, as there's so little boilerplate for APL. By the time it would be able to guess what you're doing, you'd be done.

PyGamer0

^

Fmbalbuena

10:40 AM

@Adám APL keyboard?

PyGamer0

it exists

Adám

@Fmbalbuena apl.wiki/Typing_glyphs

PyGamer0

i use @Adám's altgr layouts

so many glyphs :)

Adám

I want more!

Fmbalbuena

APL bar in VS code?

PyGamer0

10:42 AM

@Adám you want to add more glyphs?

Adám

@Fmbalbuena I think you can easily get a language bar there. Maybe it is possible to implement as an extension. Experienced APLers don't need it ¯\_(⍨)_/¯

@PyGamer0 Yes, a few.

PyGamer0

@Adám which?

Kamila Szewczyk

isn't there an APL extension for VSCode that supports typing APL glyphs with a backtick?

I have to admit that i have never written a larger bit of code without prototyping it first with RIDE.

Fmbalbuena

@KamilaSzewczyk i found one

PyGamer0

why is index origin 1 in APL (by default) and 0 in J?

Adám

10:47 AM

@PyGamer0 Off-hand: ⊇ ⍛ ∞ √ ⍮ ⍢ ⫽ ⑊

Fmbalbuena

@Adám download APL interpreter for keyboard?

help me

@Adám ^

Kamila Szewczyk

you want an APL interpreter for your keyboard :)?

Fmbalbuena

yep

Kamila Szewczyk

sounds tough

Adám

@PyGamer0 APL originally had only 1 due to being mathematical in nature (cf. Mathematica, MatLab, R, Julia, …) but it turned out suboptimal for some domains, and a choice was introduced. Didn't take long before people realised that a choice is worse than a suboptimal standard, and J (which didn't need backwards compatibility) chose 0.

PyGamer0

10:52 AM

CMC: Generate an identity matrix of order x.

Kamila Szewczyk

aaa wrong thing

PyGamer0

@Adám ah, why is 1 suboptimal?

Adám

@Fmbalbuena I don't understand what you mean. (Also, you don't need to ping me twice — or even once, when I'm active — I'm attending to requests as fast as I can.)

Kamila Szewczyk

,⍨⍴1↑⍨1∘+

this

Fmbalbuena

CMC: print "Hello, World!" but i don't undertstand.

Adám

10:53 AM

@PyGamer0 ∘.=⍨⍳

@Fmbalbuena You want obfuscated code?

Kamila Szewczyk

oh, that's smart too

Fmbalbuena

no, But use dfns that i haven't learned

Kamila Szewczyk

them being?

Adám

@KamilaSzewczyk 1↑⍨1∘+ → 1,⍴∘0

Kamila Szewczyk

@Adám I stole it from APLcart, i'm sorry :P

Fmbalbuena

10:55 AM

you can use numbers, but not ⎕UCS

Adám

@KamilaSzewczyk I figured. It is the most efficient solution.

Fmbalbuena

@Adám ping

Adám

> or even once, when I'm active

@Fmbalbuena ⋄ 1↓80⎕DR 18464 27749 28524 8236 28503 27762 8548

TryAPL

@Adám Hello, World!

Fmbalbuena

⋄A←{
⋄⍺+⍵
⋄⍵+1
⋄}
⋄1 A 2⋄A 4⋄5 A 4

TryAPL

10:57 AM

@Fmbalbuena (1 trailing line)
3
VALUE ERROR
      A←{ ⋄ ⍺+⍵ ⋄ ⍵+1 ⋄ } ⋄ 1 A 2 ⋄ A 4 ⋄ 5 A 4

␄

PyGamer0

@Adám how does that work?

Adám

The bot doesn't handle multi-line functions.

Fmbalbuena

OK, i can't create Ambivalent function.

Adám

@PyGamer0 Converts 16-bit signed integers to 8-bit characters, then drops the first element.

PyGamer0

@Adám oh

Adám

10:59 AM

@Fmbalbuena apl.wiki/Ambivalent_function

Fmbalbuena

@Adám I already got that.

TryAPL Version 3.6.1 (enter ]State for details)
REDACTED
Copyright (c) Dyalog Limited 1982-2021
      A←{
	⍺+⍵
	⍵+1
      }
SYNTAX ERROR: Unpaired brace
      }
      ∧
      A←{
	⍺+⍵
	⍵+1
	}
      2 A 1
3
      A 2
VALUE ERROR
      A 2

ping

Kamila Szewczyk

you can set the default value of ⍺ to create an ambivalent function.

alternatively, you can use ⎕NC, but it probably won't work on TryAPL.

Fmbalbuena

How i do?

Kamila Szewczyk

      root←{⍺←2⋄⍵*÷⍺}
      root 16
4
      3 root 27
3

Fmbalbuena

thanks

Adám

11:04 AM

@KamilaSzewczyk ⎕NC is allowed.

Kamila Szewczyk

i think that due to me even

Fmbalbuena

⋄a←{⍺←1⋄⍺+⍵}⋄a 2 a +⌿1 (a 2) a a 2

TryAPL

@Fmbalbuena 13

Kamila Szewczyk

@Adám makes me wonder, if you can transcribe such a simple ambivalent function into a tacit form somewhat reasonably

Adám

CMC: Write the ambivalent root dfn without ⍺← and without ⎕NC.

Fmbalbuena

11:07 AM

@Adám Impossible

Adám

No it is quite possible.

Kamila Szewczyk

hold on, i wanna figure it out myself

Fmbalbuena

4 edits in a row

Adám

@KamilaSzewczyk Which one, tacit or my CMC?

Kamila Szewczyk

your CMC

and my tacit at once

Adám

11:08 AM

Uh, OK, but my CMC is for a dfn.

Kamila Szewczyk

tacit makes it more interesting.

thinking about the simpler case presented above:

      ({⍺←1⋄⍺}+⊢) 5
6

I just need a tacit function that replaces this dfn, hmm

Fmbalbuena

CMC: Print "Hello, World!" without "⎕" and "'"

Adám

That, I think, is impossible.

Kamila Szewczyk

can be done using ⍎, i think

Adám

What will you execute without '?

Kamila Szewczyk

11:12 AM

good question!

Fmbalbuena

@Adám NuMbErS

Kamila Szewczyk

even AV is locked behind a quad

Adám

@Fmbalbuena You can't execute numbers.

PyGamer0

and UCS

Kamila Szewczyk

is it even possible to write {⍺←1⋄⍺} tacitly

it must be done without tacks is all i know

probably some smart abuse of hooks/forks/fn composition

Adám

11:14 AM

A few days ago, I was wondering if letting (A f) mean f with a default left argument of A would be a good idea.

Fmbalbuena

@Adám but i think

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz()←+-×÷*⍟⌹○!?=≠≤<>≥≡≢∨∧⍲⍱↑↓⊂⊃⊆⌷⍋⍒⍳⍸∊⍷∪∩~/\⌿⍀,⍪⍴⌽⊖⍉¨⍨⍣.∘⍤⍥@⍞⍠⌸⌺⌶⍎⍕⋄⍝→⍵⍺∇&¯⍬∆⍙ 1234567890

Can be possible.

Prove me wrong.

@Adám can you?

I don't think so.

⍞←<magic happens here> gives Hello, World!

Fmbalbuena

11:18 AM

@PyGamer0 ⍞←⍞ is even better if the input is "Hello, World!"

PyGamer0

+2^3 it looks like a face

Fmbalbuena

@PyGamer0 +1 = +Star

ok, @Adám one monadic command for me?

Adám

@KamilaSzewczyk It is. I just managed to write a fully tacit root

Kamila Szewczyk

@Adám huh.

mind sharing the technique?

Adám

Nasty, ugly, hacky, verbose…

Kamila Szewczyk

11:20 AM

i swear it can be reusable

welp

Adám

Yes, it is generally applicable.

Fmbalbuena

@Adám one monadic command for me?

Adám

Oh, and it won't work on TryAPL (but I think I can make it work).

@Fmbalbuena Did you learn monadic ,?

Fmbalbuena

@Adám No

Adám

OK. Monadic , is called "ravel" because it ravels an array into a long thread (vector), preserving all elements: ⎕← , 2 3 4⍴⍳24

TryAPL

11:22 AM

@Adám 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24

Adám

Yup, new, nastier version is TryAPL friendly.

Fmbalbuena

What does 2 3 4 do?

Adám

You forgot dyadic ⍴?

Fmbalbuena

no

reshape

but wait

Adám

Monadic , is kind of the opposite of dyadic ⍴

Fmbalbuena

11:24 AM

i don't remember element element element ⍴ array

⋄2 3 4⍴⍳24

TryAPL

@Fmbalbuena
 1  2  3  4
 5  6  7  8
 9 10 11 12

13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24

Fmbalbuena

now i'm fine

@Adám is ravel flatten?

Adám

It is a type of flattening, yes.

Fmbalbuena

aplcart.info/?q=Flatten#

yeah i remember but i didn't see the dfns

the ⍪ does but 2D, but i'm not doing this now.

,Y	Ravel: Reshape into a vector
⍪Y	Table: Reshape into 2-dimensional array
⍪Y	Ravel planes of rank 3 array Y to form rows of a matrix

@Adám ^ Seems dupe

Adám

@KamilaSzewczyk OK, so my general, TryAPL friendly solution to give f a default left argument of A is now streamlines as ⊢f[25 nasty bytes]A⍨

Kamila Szewczyk

11:29 AM

disgusting

i love it

Adám

@Fmbalbuena Yes, APLcart has many duplicates when the purposes differ significantly, even though the code is the same.

@KamilaSzewczyk (It can be golfed a little, but then the syntax is less user friendly.) Reveal?

Kamila Szewczyk

sure?

Fmbalbuena

Another monadic command?

Adám

⊢f(≢∘∪,⍥(⎕JSON'{}'⍨))⊃⊂⍤⊣,⍨A⍨

Kamila Szewczyk

god what is this

Adám

11:31 AM

@Fmbalbuena Monadic ○ is "pi times": ⋄ ○0 1 2 3

TryAPL

@Adám 0 3.141592654 6.283185307 9.424777961

Adám

@KamilaSzewczyk Pure magic.

Fmbalbuena

@Adám Is there something useful with ○?

PyGamer0

@Adám lot of faces

@Fmbalbuena dyadic ○

Fmbalbuena

⋄A←f←1 2 3⋄⊢f(≢∘∪,⍥(⎕JSON'{}'⍨))⊃⊂⍤⊣,⍨A⍨

TryAPL

11:32 AM

@Fmbalbuena
SYNTAX ERROR
      A←f←1 2 3 ⋄ ⊢f(≢∘∪,⍥(⎕JSON'{}'⍨))⊃⊂⍤⊣,⍨A⍨
                    ∧

PyGamer0

⋄ 1○20?20

TryAPL

@PyGamer0

0.9129452507 ¯0.9613974919 ¯0.536572918 0.1498772097 0.8414709848 0.9092974268 ¯0.5440211109 0.6569865987 0.9893582466 0.4121184852 0.4201670368 0.6502878402 ¯0.9589242747 0.1411200081 ¯0.7509872468 ¯0.2879033167 ¯0.2794154982 ¯0.7568024953 0.9906073557 ¯0.9999902066

Adám

@Fmbalbuena Well, yes, if you need to do trigonometry or complex mathematics, pi comes it a lot, (usually in needing to multiply with pi) so you need this.

Fmbalbuena

ok

⎕←○.5

TryAPL

@Fmbalbuena 1.570796327

Fmbalbuena

11:33 AM

is that pi/2?

PyGamer0

yes

Adám

You can also write it as ⋄ ○÷2

Fmbalbuena

⎕←○÷2

TryAPL

@Adám 1.570796327

@Fmbalbuena 1.570796327

Fmbalbuena

@Adám i know, ninja'd

PyGamer0

11:34 AM

⎕← 3.1415926535897932384626 ÷ 2 (i memorized pi for a random reason)

TryAPL

@PyGamer0 1.570796327

Fmbalbuena

CMC: convert float to list example 3.1415 gives 3 1 4 1 5

@Adám i need ^ for some reason

Adám

@Fmbalbuena There are couple of approaches, but it isn't really a well-defined problem, due to floating point inaccuracies.

Fmbalbuena

@Adám ignore them

Adám

⋄ ⍎¨'.'~⍨⍕3.1415

TryAPL

11:37 AM

@Adám 3 1 4 1 5

Kamila Szewczyk

i wish safetly converting strings to numbers in APL wasn't so painful

you can either use VFI which is incredibly odd or use eval which is horrible

Fmbalbuena

non-APLers think the Hello, World!: []<="Hello, World!"

Adám

@KamilaSzewczyk ⋄ 10× {⊃⎕CSV⍵'S'4} '3.1415'

@KamilaSzewczyk ⋄ 10× ⎕JSON '3.1415'

TryAPL

@Adám
NOT PERMITTED: Illegal token
      10×{⊃⎕CSV ⍵'S' 4}'3.1415'
     ^

Adám

Oh, right.

TryAPL

11:42 AM

@Adám 31.415

Adám

I guess I could put in a cover for ⎕CSV on TryAPL blocking access to writing files.

Probably not worth it; it is TryAPL after all.

@KamilaSzewczyk So, you understand it yet?

It depends on having a function that returns different results when applied twice to the same argument.

Fmbalbuena

@Adám CMC: define a dyadic function, repeat ⍵ times.

Adám

I don't understand the spec. What should be repeated, and in what way? Maybe some example cases?

Fmbalbuena

2 A 4 => 2 2 2 2

Adám

A←⍴⍨

Fmbalbuena

11:48 AM

@Adám you should use A←{⍵}⋄f←{⍵} to win :P

Adám

A←{⍵⍴⍺}?

Fmbalbuena

⋄A←⍴⍨⋄2 A 8

TryAPL

@Fmbalbuena 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2

Fmbalbuena

When to use "{" and "}"?

Adám

When you want to mention your argument(s) explicitly.

Fmbalbuena

11:51 AM

Example: A←⍴⍨ vs A←1+

Adám

1+ isn't valid in Dyalog APL.

Fmbalbuena

⋄⍴⍨

TryAPL

@Fmbalbuena
  ⍨
┌─┘
⍴

Fmbalbuena

hmmm, I doubt this.

maybe lexer bug?

Adám

No, that's correct.

Fmbalbuena

11:54 AM

ok, if the function without right argument errors, then you need "{", "}" and "⍵"

Adám

@PyGamer0 Maybe ⊕ and ⊗ too.

Fmbalbuena

or the function with dyadic dfns in the last char, then you need...

Adám

@Fmbalbuena Well, yes, that's one possibility. What you're getting into here is apl.wiki/Tacit_programming

Fmbalbuena

@Adám "+.×"? i doubt

Adám

@Fmbalbuena Are you asking if it is valid syntax? Yes it is.

Fmbalbuena

11:58 AM

yes, but there is no number

@Adám "." operator?

Adám

Right, . is a dyadic operator, so it binds + and × to form a new function.

Fmbalbuena

+.× equivalent without "."?

Adám

You don't need to ping me when I'm actively chatting.

Fmbalbuena

ok

You don't need to pong me when I'm actively chatting.

Adám

@Fmbalbuena +/⍤×⍤0 1⍤1 99 I think.

Fmbalbuena

12:07 PM

⍤?

not now; bye

Adám

⍤/

Fmbalbuena

⋄∘\1 2 3

TryAPL

@Fmbalbuena
SYNTAX ERROR
      ∘\1 2 3
       ∧

Fmbalbuena

ok, nvm

PyGamer0

1:50 PM

@Adám Try it online!

how can i make a triadic operator?

You can't.

:(

Try it online!

what how does it work?

Adám

Add is just a normal dyadic operator.

In fact, Add is just ⍤ or ∘ or ⍥ (their monadic derived functions are equivalent).

PyGamer0

1:55 PM

ah understood

PyGamer0

2:31 PM

is apl a functional programming language?

Kamila Szewczyk

yes

Fawn Locke

Somewhat, it has higher order functions and tacit, both of which can be considered functional. But it's not as functional as something like BQN that has first class functions, etc.

Also, dfns are pure

dzaima

@FawnLocke well, they're meant to be. Doesn't mean you have to abide

Fawn Locke

Yeah

PyGamer0

@FawnLocke BQN has FCF?

Adám

2:37 PM

Yes.

Fawn Locke

mlochbaum.github.io/BQN/doc/functional.html

Adám

Ooh, this is a nice concept:

PyGamer0

is there a reason Marshall chose to use ‿ to separate array elements instead of a space?

Adám

@PyGamer0 Yes.

PyGamer0

to prevent confusion?

Adám

2:50 PM

No, to allow adjacent arrays.

E.g. current APL's ⍤0 1 2 3 4 vs BQN-style ⍤0 1‿2‿3‿4 and ⍤1‿2 3‿4 and ⍤1‿2‿3 4

If both stranding and application uses adjacency (not, as commonly thought, spaces) then there's simply no way to do this without parens or an identity function.

I disagree with this design of BQN; I'd rather have no stranding at all. One less thing. Other languages do just fine with an array notation and no stranding.

dzaima

@Adám but stranding is a lot easier to mentally parse than another nesting level

Adám

It is a matter of taste.

PyGamer0

is it a matter of (1 2)(3 4) vs 1‿2 3‿4?

Fawn Locke

No, there's still stranding in the prior example

dzaima

well, in the case of BQN, 1‿2 vs ⟨1,2⟩

Adám

2:58 PM

@PyGamer0 The latter is invalid syntax on its own.

dzaima

so, for a nested array, ⟨1‿2, 3‿4⟩ vs ⟨⟨1, 2⟩, ⟨3, 4⟩⟩

Fawn Locke

I prefer no stranding, maybe because I'm so used to it? BQN's stranding confused me at first ngl

Adám

@dzaima Devils advocate: Why not have yet another level of stranding then? APL's (1 2)(3 4) could be 1⁐2‿3⁐4 etc.

Kamila Szewczyk

lovely

dzaima

@Adám balance

PyGamer0

3:00 PM

@Adám android is honestly given up on rendering that monospaced block

i wish i could change my browser font (said it like 11 times)

dzaima

huh, it displays (presumably) correctly everywhere for me

Fawn Locke

You could try a userscript

PyGamer0

@dzaima even on android?

@FawnLocke how?

dzaima

@PyGamer0 yeah

PyGamer0

ah must be samsung then

Fawn Locke

3:02 PM

Depends on what browser you're using. For chrome-based/firefox there's stylus, which let's you define css on a per-page basis

dzaima

i am on samsung (FF, android 8)

PyGamer0

hm seems like a problem of chrome

Adám

I think my ideal array notation would be a superset of JSON, that extends JSON to handle multi-dimensional arrays.

dzaima

@FawnLocke not on android; besides some random chrome offshoots, the only thing I know that allows extensions is firefox nightly

Fawn Locke

Interesting

Adám

3:04 PM

Oh, and entirely ASCII.

Fawn Locke

@dzaima Ah, that's a shame

Adám

Isn't there a way to hack an Android device to add and remove fonts?

PyGamer0

smh Android is a linux distro and not even customisable

Adám

In principle, you could build your own Android with just the fonts you want…

user

Don't most Android phones let you unlock the bootloader or something?

PyGamer0

3:06 PM

@Adám root?

Adám

Maybe, dunno.

dzaima

@dzaima (firefox android used to have full access to firefox extensions, but Mozilla did a Mozilla and.. just restricts you to using only like 5 extensions for no reason at all ಠ_ಠ)

PyGamer0

sadly i dont have my own phone so i cant experiment

PyGamer0

3:21 PM

which version of dyalog apl does tio use?

Adám

@PyGamer0 Try it online!

PyGamer0

ok

@Adám maybe add a minimize button to your language bars (since i cant access the run button on tio on mobile)

Adám

@PyGamer0 Isn't there an ❎?

PyGamer0

@Adám that closes the LB

i am asking to minimize the LB not entirely close it

dzaima

how would you un-minimize the language bar then?

PyGamer0

3:34 PM

there would be a button

a minus sign button

dzaima

..where? if the language bar is, uh, minimized

PyGamer0

to unminimize

Adám

So you'd want it to… collapse to be just an expand button in the corner.

PyGamer0

@Adám yes

@dzaima top right corner

dzaima

now you just have a problem if there's a button in the top right corner

Adám

3:36 PM

We need two minimise buttons: minimise left and minimise right ;-)

Or simply make the restore button switch sides every 3 secs.

PyGamer0

4:05 PM

@Adám maybe make it dragable

@Adám lol

Master Quiz

5:24 PM

@Adám I like this too. Probably I wouldn't make the 'P' touch the ground

Adám

@MasterQuiz I think I agree. I'd also restore the P's lost corner, and the dimensions are a bit off, but I like the concept.

I'd want to see it constructed as a 4×4×4 cube.

@dzaima Do you think you could render

4 4 4⍴1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1

?

dzaima

i literally just started working on a model :P

Adám

gmta

dzaima

(also that's one too many 4s)

Adám

4D rendering FTW ;-)

Actually, if you project those 256 hypervoxels down to 2D, you should get the same image

PyGamer0

5:38 PM

@Adám but we are 3d beings how can we see 4d?

or unless you are secretly a 4d being :P

Adám

Projections. Same idea that lets you "see" 3D images on a 2D screen.

dzaima

very makeshift, but i gtg for a couple mins

Adám

This has "natural" lighting, much like your very early GEB-style cubes. Try making it flatly coloured like that blueish one above.

dzaima

5:53 PM

that

brighter, and return of gray background

Adám

If a logo, it'll probably mostly be on white or black.

Is it just me or is the perspective off? Shouldn't these corners line up?

dzaima

i just chose an arbitrary angle

Adám

Ah, what happens if you angle it so the corners line up and the thin (apparent) white line disappears while the gap on the right becomes a perfect parallelogram?

dzaima

oh cool i want the magic angle

that

Adám

Yes, but now there are lighting effects again, instead of flat colours.

dzaima

6:04 PM

no, they were always there

Adám

I see now. It was just much less noticeable.

dzaima

flat

Adám

I like it.

I wonder what would happen if the two "cutouts" would be filled with an almost transparent fill…

Maybe OP's original idea with the hexagonal light background wasn't so bad?

dzaima

6:34 PM

vertically extended P

Adám

What happens if you put an infinitely thin P-coloured bottom plate below, and put an infinitely thin A-coloured back plate to the NE?

dzaima

like this?

Adám

Yes, but now pull the P back up to a single layer.

(I think we'll see the bottom and back plates meet NW of the L's _ )

dzaima

Adám

I quite like that.

Adám

6:59 PM

⎕←{(⊣/⍵)(⊣⌿⍵)(⊢/[2]⍵)}4 4 4⍴(5 ¯2 6 ¯3 1 ¯8,23↑12⍴¯3 1)\'#'

TryAPL

@Adám
┌────┬────┬────┐
│####│####│#   │
│#  #│#  #│#   │
│####│####│#   │
│#  #│#   │####│
└────┴────┴────┘

rak1507

7:21 PM

like the cube logo, prefer it without a fill

Adám

I can certainly add the no-fill version to the page, but I think it looks odd when shrunk to an icon.

@rak1507 Have a look at apl.wiki/APL_logo#Letters_From_the_Cube now.

rak1507

yeah none of the 4 are that clear as a small icon unfortunately

I think my favourite atm is 'apl matrix'

Adám

7:39 PM

I'd not be sad if this was chosen, but yes, my current favourite is also APL Matrix, but I'm undecided between ⍝⍴⌊ and Clarendon.

dzaima

i still like nested bitmaps

Adám

I like it too, but it bothers me that no version works well on both light and dark backgrounds (except the b/w version if rendered in a colour).

I also like Cube Apple and Lamp Rho Downstile Box. I'll be happy with any of these.

Jerome Ibanes

the G4 cube?

Adám

G4?

Jerome Ibanes

oh I thought you meant the Apple cube computer

lol

dzaima

7:47 PM

Cube Apple

Jerome Ibanes

I had never seen the cube version of it

probably infringes >10 Apple (Inc.) trademarks, so I like it.

Adám

Getting sued by Apple might give APL some much-needed publicity, but I'd personally rather play it safe with a non-apple logo.

Jerome Ibanes

lol

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