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4:00 PM
I think it would depend more on the prepositionody.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK. It should be that 'questions' is -not- the subject, right?
 
@Mitch Well, in that sentence, "questions" is not the subject, Team is, right? We all agree on that. Except for those who don't.
it's funny. I want "questions" to be followed by "are" because they are in such close proximity and I have no problem with "team" being both singular and plural, whichever is more convenient.
But when I try to reshape the statement a bit I start getting uncomfortable.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeah...I have no connection to the plurality of team. Both questions is and questions are sound OK to me.
 
what question is your team going to answer
? what questions is your team going to answer <- I have to agree that it's grammatical but it sounds funny to me
? what question are your team going to answer
what question are they going to answer
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hunh. maybe team does sort of become plural.
 
4:05 PM
@Mitch What questions are you asking?
@Mitch What question are you asking?
@Mitch What questions is he asking?
 
@tchrist what question are you asking?
Oh. sorry. that question.
 
henceforth just call them Grammar Balrogs and get it over with.
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That's not nice
exactly.
 
So my phone has a "draw pattern to unlock" feature. But I have oily skin so after drawing the pattern you can still see it.
 
@tchrist there's worse and worster
 
4:07 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then those people are wrong, wrong!
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A: Form of copulative verb

CerberusLet's strip the non-essential elements from your construction (and add a bit of context to make it seem natural): Dwarves? What they are is giants, not dwarves Clever? What I am is mad, not clever. (Notice that I have removed the inversion from your sentence, because it obscures the co...

What do you think?
Is there more to it than this?
 
Everything is relative. A set doesn't have to have any good members, but it can have members that are worse than other members.
 
@Cerberus of course they're wrong. That's the whole point of this discussion.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that's called social hacking. social engineering can fix it.
 
@Mitch and worcestershire.
@Mitch I have to engineer myself to always wipe off the screen before ever letting anyone see it.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 worcestershire is the worsted.
 
4:09 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh, I thought you bore their mark too...
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 wipe off their eyes.
 
@Mitch what has been seen cannot be unseen.
but I gotta run, meeting time
 
@tchrist Yes, that 's the standard correct right answer. but the complexity of the bigger sentence is messing people up.
 
Bai.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeah you can. poke em in the eye. they'll forget real soon.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 stupid meetings.
 
4:16 PM
@cornbreadninja I think small would be good—how many Coffee Crisps would you like?
 
@Mahnax alrighty. I think 3-4 would be good for now. How many bags do you wish?
 
@cornbreadninja Well, it's only fair for the value to be equal, right?
I think Coffee Crisps are about $1,50 here, but I could be mistaken.
I'll have to look.
 
Coffee Crisps will be heavier to ship.
 
@Cerberus I think I'd upvote ... if I had any left.
 
@cornbreadninja Hmm. Well, when there's just a few of them, the difference will likely be negligible.
 
4:22 PM
k.
 
@ΜετάEd OK thanks.
 
I'm on the UPS site right now looking at things.
 
@Mahnax Remember that UPS is pronounced "oops".
 
@ΜετάEd Ah yes.
 
UPS, DOWNS, what does it matter?
We all have them.
 
4:25 PM
Ha.
 
@Roaring Fish please, vote up first; then I can clarify a bit. — Torpour 7 hours ago
 
Ha.
 
Is that how it works? I've been doing it all wrong.
 
Haha.
It's always nice to be instructed how one must vote.
 
And we're now openly discussion suspensions apparently:
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Q: The Great Injustice

Xavier Vidal Hernández Hello, I'm writing in reference to your English Language and Usage - Stack Exchange account: http://english.stackexchange.com/users/24531/xavier-vidal-hernandez Due to many moderator flags on your questions, we have elected to suspend your account for 7 days. Your quest...

 
4:36 PM
@simchona That bodes not well.
 
It's the Great Injustice, Charlie Brown!
 
He needs more flower power.
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A: How many syllables are in the word 'hour'?

tchrist People who are born to power Lack the time to spare an hour Smelling rose or other flower, Be it sweet or be it sour. Since those lines of iambic tetrameter all rhyme with each other on the last foot, hour needs must contain two syllables.

 
@tchrist oh, has your family tried 'em, King Biscuits?
 
@simchona Good stats on the deleted questions.
 
@cerb thank you. I added answer stats too.
 
4:40 PM
Ah, even better. That should make it clear to him.
Should, but won't, I bet.
 
@simchona but...how did he do that if he's suspended?
 
Meta != Main
 
Was waiwai's email mostly automatic/boilerplate?
 
@mitch do what? The suspension ended.
 
Oh.
that makes sense then. So he's coming in -after- his suspension period to ask why?
I am sorta glad he posted the email, because now I know what people get when they are suspended.
 
4:44 PM
He's coming in after to complain. He's not constructive; he just is all "OMG THESE MODS"
 
Oh totally.
right he thinks its somebody else's fault not his own.
he should learn rather than complain.
 
@Mitch Looks too specific too me.
 
@cornbreadninja I thought that was Powdermilk.
 
@ΜετάEd it most certainly is.
 
maybe some text and stats are produced progrmmatically and then some personalized insult^H^H^H^H^H^Hreasoning is added.
 
4:52 PM
We talked about that earlier, so I adapted it for King Biscuit Flower Hour.
 
@Mitch Yeah, probably.
 
@tchrist he mentioned you in that Meta question
How is that calculation done? I'd want to see it on his overall questions
 
@Mitch 100% boilerplate.
 
@waiwai933 wow 100%? That's great.
So a rational but paranoid person should accept that.
 
5:26 PM
Richard Alfred Newell (March 9, 1944 – January 5, 2003), better known by his stage name King Biscuit Boy, was a Canadian blues musician. He was the first Canadian blues artist to chart on the Billboard Hot 100 in the U.S.. King Biscuit Boy played with artists such as Muddy Waters, Joe Cocker, and Janis Joplin. Career Newell was born in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, and played guitar and sang, but was most noted for his harmonica playing. His stage name was taken from the King Biscuit Flour Hour, an early American blues broadcast. He was given the name by Ronald "Ronnie" Hawkins, a pioneer...
 
5:48 PM
@simchona Yes, I know he mentioned me. I only give data on the last/current 50 newest questions, which is sometimes negative in the mean, although not right now.
Site                                 N    Sum Min  Max    Mean  Median  Stdev  Mode
=======================================================================================
English_Language_and_Usage          50     48  -7   11    0.96   0.5    3.27   10 × 0
 
"We give folks on SO seven days for drinking the water." I no speak native what is mean?
 
Jez
mean is a kind of average
 
o tnx
some1 els?
 
6:01 PM
@ЯegDwight he may have meant it in a kool-aid sense, as in something like 'posting question types you should know are wrong/frowned upon'
 
Mkay. I mean, I understand what he's saying, I just don't understand this particular metaphor. Not sure how water connects to kool-aid.
 
That's all I got.
I'll admit, it's a stretch.
 
Well it is more than I have.
 
I've heard 'don't drink the water' when several women in the immediate vicinity of the water tower are pregnant.
Ergo, SO frowns upon pregnancy.
 
Now you make sense!
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Q: What is the role of non-experts on ELU?

ZairjaThis pertains to both asking and answering questions. According to the Area 51 FAQ: To attract experts, you need a site where people are asking very interesting and challenging questions, not the basic questions found on every other Q&A site. Your goal is to make it clear that this is a ...

 
6:10 PM
> On SO, a major goal is solving a problem. However, on ELU that problem seems rarely about the topics in the FAQ but is instead about how to write or speak "correctly" (i.e. proofreading, writing conventions, "which sounds better", etiquette, etc.) -- though perhaps I misinterpret the site's purpose. Does this site have too many "non-experts" involved where they don't belong?
I don't understand the distinction he's trying to draw between SO and ELU.
Is he saying we don't solve problems? Or that SO has nothing to do with coding "correctly"?
 
It is the common fallacy that only matters dealing with discrete, nay, binary data points are "real", and that the rest are vague, worthless.
So "1+1=2" is a valid statement, but "ain't is generally not preferred in academic writing" is not "factual" and hence worthless. It can't solve a problem, because the matter whether or not it is advisable is not a valid question to those people.
This is my hypothesis/analysis.
It stems from a certain aversion to fuzzy brain functions.
 
Mmmmmmh, fuzzy brain...
I, uh. I'm taking a back seat on this one.
 
$('brain').poke(function(e){
return 'fuzzy';
});
 
Better.
Although all the discretist markings don't help...
 
Umm ... huh?
 
6:20 PM
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Q: Pause for the fear of paws: a comma conundrum (Revised & Updated)

JerryUKWhich sentence is punctuated correctly? (1.) I like dogs, but, I am embarrassed to admit in the presence of polite company, cats scare me witless. (2.) I like dogs, but I am embarrassed to admit in the presence of polite company, cats scare me witless. (3.) I like dogs, but I am embarrassed to...

 
You're using computerish symbols!
 
@Robusto do you know what Robert Harvery means by "drinking the water"?
 
I am amazed to see that JerryUK stopped edit-warring and actually improved his question.
 
You can't force people?
 
@ЯegDwight Where?
 
6:20 PM
31 mins ago, by ЯegDwight
"We give folks on SO seven days for drinking the water." I no speak native what is mean?
 
@ЯegDwight You can lead a horse towards water, but you can't make it drink.
 
Seriously, seven days is a slap on the wrist. Certainly got your attention, didn't it? We give folks on SO seven days for drinking the water. It seems clear by your user history that you know how to ask a good question, so what's the problem? — Robert Harvey 2 hours ago
 
The expression goes something like that.
 
@ЯegDwight It's hyperbole. Remember, I am This Site's Undisputed Expert On Hyperbole.
 
@ΜετάEd Oh, so just an occasionalism he only just created?
 
6:22 PM
The user is led towards the Right Ways; but, if he refuses to partake in them...
 
@Cerberus not sure that makes sense in that context.
 
Not sure what an occasionalism is, but, if I got your sense right, yes.
 
@ЯegDwight I suspect he is referring to the customary admonition when going to Mexico of "Don't drink the water." If you do, you get Montezuma's Revenge, i.e., diarrhea.
 
...you can't make him, and he has forfeited what opportunity he had.
 
It is an odd choice of words, though.
 
6:22 PM
@Robusto or pregnant.
18 mins ago, by cornbread ninja
I've heard 'don't drink the water' when several women in the immediate vicinity of the water tower are pregnant.
 
I've never gotten pregnant from Mexican water.
 
17 mins ago, by cornbread ninja
Ergo, SO frowns upon pregnancy.
 
@cornbreadninja I've never heard that and it makes no sense to me.
 
I have what I think is a reasonable answer to the comma question, now that it's a reasonable question. Can I call for reopen votes.
 
@Robusto @Reg Why don't you think this is about the horse? I immediately and unquestionably read it like that.
 
6:23 PM
@Cerberus in that case, you'd give him a ban for not drinking the water. So your explanation doesn't fly.
 
@Robusto think office setting.
 
@Cerberus "We give folks on SO a seven-day ban if we lead them to the water and they actually drink it." That's your explanation. Users being banned for behaving properly.
 
@ЯegDwight The idea is that drinking the water is pondering one's mistakes in the quiet and beneficial state of suspension.
 
AÍ! A BALROG HAS COME! Now that I have your attention, could you possibly look at reopening: english.stackexchange.com/questions/79930/…
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I expect you should ask Robert Harvey. I expect he's a programmer who not too good at da English is.
 
6:25 PM
@Cerberus Ah! you mean the for does not point to the past, but to the future?
 
If those seven days aren't enough, then the user "dies" from thirst, i.e. displayd unwelcome behaviour and gets banned.
 
I read it as "because of", not "so as to".
 
@Cerb is wrong.
 
@ЯegDwight Oh, yes. I read it as so as to.
@Robusto Hey!
I agree that we should ask him.
I'm just saying that it seems logical and natural to me to read it like that, but of course he could have meant it in a different way.
 
The only "drinking the water" trope I'm aware of for which there are consequences concerns drinking water that is tainted and gives you diarrhea.
 
6:28 PM
@Robusto That's the one I thought he meant.
 
It is not an administrative punishment, though, which makes me think RH doesn't express himself well. Or else he is privy to an expression I'm not.
 
@RobertHarvey: Hey, your comment sparked a discussion in chat, and it almost lead to a Question on the main site! What is your water metaphor about exactly? I read it as being about the horse that refuses to drink, but the others seemed to disagree. — Cerberus 8 secs ago
 
Bah Cerb spoils all the fun.
 
What?
 
Goddamn empiricist.
 
6:29 PM
It's just hyperbole. We give people suspension for doing an extremely minor thing.
 
You can continue your speculations.
 
@Robusto thanks either way, my main concern was whether I was the only one who didn't understand it.
 
You're not crazy. Surprise!
 
@Cerberus I speculate that you like bananas.
 
I do, unless they've got brown spots.
 
6:30 PM
Just because @Cerberus is bananas doesn't mean he likes bananas.
 
@Cerberus Lalala I can't hear you!
I said I speculate. I didn't say I wanted to know.
 
@Cerberus Do you feel the same about dogs?
 
@Robusto Ah. That's why I like Cerberus. I like bananas.
 
@Robusto exactly! Which is why it's a valid speculation.
 
6:31 PM
@Robusto No! Spotted dogs are the best! You know what my name means, don't you?
 
... I appreciate your organic answer to this particular question. On the other hand, it is unclear to me why an user with the lozenge has answered in such a destructured way, using three fragmented comments! However, coming to the final point, I'm sure you know the adage "A picture is worth a thousand words"; it refers to the notion that a complex idea can be conveyed with just a single still image! And this is helpful in an high degree for a not native of English language! — Xavier Vidal Hernández 26 mins ago
Huh?
 
Very organic.
No additives.
 
@simchona Either a permatroll or insane. Or both.
 
@tchrist you all seem to forget who this user is.
 
6:32 PM
@Cerberus Guardian of Hades?
 
@Robusto I see we grew up in different ages. I wouldn't do that hand move in a club nowadays.
 
Well let me be frank about my reasons. I deleted some of your comments because Sartre suggests the use of nationalism to read and modify language. Thus I am faced with a choice: either reject structuralist discourse or conclude that government is capable of significance. This subject is interpolated into a textual libertarianism that includes narrativity as a totality. Therefore, any number of dematerialisms concerning the paradigm, and some would say the dialectic, of subtextual class exist. Derrida uses the term ‘predialectic deconstruction’ to denote this, and other things. — ЯegDwight Aug 14 at 12:57
It's that guy.
 
@Robusto no no no.
 
The one with the POMO essays.
 
6:33 PM
@Cerberus Yeah, because you couldn't pull it off.
 
@ЯegDwight I toned down my last comment, but I still don't get his question. Can it be TL yet?
 
@cornbreadninja What does that have to do with bananas?
 
@Robusto my bad.
 
@simchona you want to close it? Why?
 
@ЯegDwight How many people will this help, barring the lulzyness?
 
6:34 PM
Leave the rotting corpse high up on the stake.
 
I love @Shog9’s torn-paper effect on his screen clips.
 
@Robusto Fair enough.
 
Ok, the head can stay on its pike.
 
Whoa, Space Invaders!
 
6:35 PM
@ЯegDwight Beautiful.
 
@simchona one of the reasons meta exists in the first place is for asking TL questions. "Why did this one question got closed?" "Why did this one suspension happen?" "Why did I poke my nose today and liked it?"
 
> "watch-dog guardian of Hades," late 14c., Latinized form of Gk. Kerberos, of unknown origin, perhaps cognate with Skt. karbarah, sabalah "spotted, speckled." Sabalah was the name of one of the two dogs of Yama.
 
@ЯegDwight I think you forgot "why did I kiss a girl and like it"
 
I believe there is now more support for the "spotted" etymology.
 
@simchona now that is not TL, sorry.
 
6:36 PM
@ЯegDwight Darn, I thought I was special.
 
@Cerberus That is precisely what a spotted dog would say.
 
And I say it. QED.
Oh, I have to run, palaeography awaits!
 
I think you should recuse yourself. Oh, you already did so.
 
Like the foreman of the Apple–Samsung jury?
Later!
 
@Robusto that's spotted dick to you. Americans!
 
6:37 PM
@ЯegDwight No. Spotted dick is what Brits eat. Americans aren't that way.
 
My point. QED
 
QED is an OED in tears.
You made the dictionary cry. Nice job. Are you proud of yourself now?
 
Feb 20 '11 at 16:16, by Robusto
Amish = German = Russian = @RegDwight. Q.E.D.
 
We're talking about your shortcomings now. Stay on topic.
 
You made the dictionary cry OVER 80 times already. And that's in this room.
 
6:40 PM
27 secs ago, by Robusto
We're talking about your shortcomings now. Stay on topic.
 
I can change the room's topic.
 
@ЯegDwight Let's have more Balrogs.
 
This is a subtopic, not a room topic.
 
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: aka The Incomprehensible Room. Now talking about *your shortcomings. (no tags)*
 
OK, congratulations. Your shortcomings are now a room-level topic.
 
6:41 PM
Now that last part is stupid. We never get to talk about tags...
 
@simchona I can’t find a WTF flag option.
 
user19161
Thank you for the overflow of QEDs in this room. I'm loving it.
 
@tchrist You mean on his last comment?
 
@tchrist link?
 
Yes, but I’m teasing.
 
6:42 PM
... I appreciate your organic answer to this particular question. On the other hand, it is unclear to me why an user with the lozenge has answered in such a destructured way, using three fragmented comments! However, coming to the final point, I'm sure you know the adage "A picture is worth a thousand words"; it refers to the notion that a complex idea can be conveyed with just a single still image! And this is helpful in an high degree for a not native of English language! — Xavier Vidal Hernández 37 mins ago
 
Deja vu.
 
@tchrist I created one a while ago. @ЯegDwight probably has a link.
 
@ЯegDwight All over again.
 
user19161
Wait, that paragraph looks familiar.
 
@Robusto Balrog in disguise?
 
6:42 PM
May 14 at 14:36, by Robusto
user image
@tchrist balrog in disguise was Matt's. Not Rob's.
 
@ЯegDwight I so want those.
 
Post a request on MSO. You know they like you.
 
So I’ve noticed.
 
@ЯegDwight Thank you.
 
No you.
 
6:45 PM
@WillHunting It does?
 
user19161
@simchona Deja vu! It was posted a few minutes ago.
 
user19161
14 mins ago, by simchona
... I appreciate your organic answer to this particular question. On the other hand, it is unclear to me why an user with the lozenge has answered in such a destructured way, using three fragmented comments! However, coming to the final point, I'm sure you know the adage "A picture is worth a thousand words"; it refers to the notion that a complex idea can be conveyed with just a single still image! And this is helpful in an high degree for a not native of English language! — Xavier Vidal Hernández 26 mins ago
 
@WillHunting Deja vu! "Deja vu" was posted a few minutes ago!
4 mins ago, by ЯegDwight
Deja vu.
Now let's stop this madness and discuss spotted dicks again.
Stay on topic!
 
user19161
@ЯegDwight Yes, I like to parrot the owl. Notice the using of two birds in one sentence, not the killing of two birds with one stone.
 
There are no lozenges, only diamonds.
 
6:47 PM
@WillHunting who died and made you the ornithologist?
 
@WillHunting You like to ape the chimp, too. Look, I shocked the monkey, just like Peter Gabriel!
 
I'm having déjà vu all over again.
 
Jasper is giving a monkeynote.
 
@ЯegDwight BTW, there was no Photoshop involved. I did the whole thing with jQuery. True story!
 
Mistress Hollander distracts us with some antics we’ve long seen before, all while a real question sits unanswered on meta about the misconnect between goals and reality.
 
6:49 PM
@Robusto I could tell by the pixels, and from having seen many Mootools in my life!
 
@ΜετάEd Again with the déjà vu. Let's not relive it, all right?
 
@Robusto I have the strange feeling that you've told me that before.
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Q: What is the role of non-experts on ELU?

ZairjaThis pertains to both asking and answering questions. According to the Area 51 FAQ: To attract experts, you need a site where people are asking very interesting and challenging questions, not the basic questions found on every other Q&A site. Your goal is to make it clear that this is a ...

 
Okay seriously. Enough with the deja vus.
42 mins ago, by ЯegDwight
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Q: What is the role of non-experts on ELU?

ZairjaThis pertains to both asking and answering questions. According to the Area 51 FAQ: To attract experts, you need a site where people are asking very interesting and challenging questions, not the basic questions found on every other Q&A site. Your goal is to make it clear that this is a ...

 
During which time it has garnered four votes and no answers.
 
And at least three of the votes and at most none of the answers were not from you.
 
user19161
6:52 PM
@ЯegDwight Another deja vu!
 
Mar 1 at 19:27, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
This room contains everything. Including the known Universe.
 
The most important sentence in this metaquestion is: "Your goal is to make it clear that this is a professional site." I think our efforts are inconsistent. I actually get scolded for doing this on occasion.
 
@ΜετάEd Robert Cartaino said we failed.
 
user19161
@ΜετάEd What does it mean by professional? I think the word is overused.
 
"Didn't pan out" was his verb of choice.
 
user19161
6:54 PM
I admit I hate people using the word professional. It sounds so pretentious.
 
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A: Defining topicality

Robert CartainoThe issue of forming a site exclusively around "beginners questions" is one of reciprocity. Most sites at least perport to be experts talking to experts and answering each other questions. They, in turn, attract a fair number of enthusiasts and beginning learners asking interesting (albeit, begin...

 
perp
 
user19161
Everything is professional. Even a janitor like Will Hunting is professional because cleaning the toilet requires skill.
 
I hate it when we get conflicting input and then get blamed for the "wrong" action.
 
That's life.
Welcome to it.
 
6:55 PM
Nothing great was ever achieved by aiming low.
 
It's so nice to be welcomed.
 
@tchrist Pissing in the toilet is great.
 
@tchrist that's what she said.
 
It requires skill, too.
 
@tchrist Unless your ambition was to shoot yourself in the foot.
 
6:56 PM
Okay Rob wins, pants down.
 
No. My ambition is to get high and watch TV.
 
@Robusto go on; take the money and run.
 
Apr 4 '11 at 10:05, by Robusto
Now, if you get that reference, you can legitimately feel old.
 

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