The Nineteenth Byte

user

16:00

> People’s names are assigned at birth.
OK, maybe not at birth, but at least pretty close to birth.
Alright, alright, within a year or so of birth.
Five years?
You’re kidding me, right?

pxeger

@Adám I certainly am

user

@Adám I'd love to know

Adám

OK, then…

pxeger

how did his family refer to him?

Adám

@pxeger "So-and-so's baby boy".

user

16:00

"Hey kid! You in the red shirt!"

pxeger

@Adám I can't help but argue that's a name

Adám

@pxeger Eventually, the parents agreed to enter him into the system as "baby [family name]".

user

Contrast 'alice and 'bob to alice.baby

Adám

Orthodox Jews name boys at their circumcision, which usually happens at (but never before) their 8th day. However, circumcision is postponed if there's even the smallest (unusual) risk of endangering the child. The boy was born with somewhat severe deformities, so circumcision was postponed indefinitely.

user

Oh, that's sad

New Posts

16:07

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Q: Ok so my questiin is hypoteticwl if ur looking for serious physics u may leave

Imagine humans created a substance let's call it a you made a box purely made out of a substance a is indestructible a million nukes won't scratch it but it can gt heated up easily even though it doesn't melt you fill it to every single atom with water not a single aton of free space and then sea...

physics

John Dvorak

r/a?

pxeger

VLQ

"you may only load the flag dialog every 3 seconds" ?????

couldn't they cache the response for those 3 seconds

user

VTD anyone?

@NewPosts The edit cracked me up: "Correct gramma"

rak1507

16:31

@Adám so he'll just never have an actual name?

Adám

@rak1507 I don't know what happened to him. My guess is that he eventually got circumcised (it is a rather minor procedure) and got a name.

rak1507

ah

Adám

Imagine if a family had two unnamed children…

Clearly, two people can have identical names.

May a family name two of their children identically?

ngn

@Adám Richard would be a nice name :)

user

*groan*

Adám

16:37

@ngn ?

user

Richard -> Dick

rak1507

I'm sure someone will have done that

Adám

Can two people with the exact same name marry each other?

user

They probably can, but the paperwork will be ugly :P

Adám

@user Or beautifully symmetric.

What if they get divorced and one of them is given full custody over the kids?

user

16:39

Oh god

Adám

May a family name their identical twins with fittingly identical names?

user

It'd be even worse if they got identical twins with the same names

Partially ninja'd :P

rak1507

it's not quite as confusing but people often name their kids 'something junior' or whatever

user

@Adám Imagine if John Doe married John Doe and they had identical twins named John Doe and John Doe, got divorced, and kept one twin each

rak1507

pretty sure there are like 5 georges in a row in my ancestry :P

Adám

16:40

What if you leave out "Sr"/"Jr"?

user

@Adám Only a Richard would do that kind of thing

At that point, you're almost certainly doing it on purpose

rak1507

would get very confusing very fast

this is why all children should be assigned a UUID at birth

user

You joke, but this would honestly be very nice

rak1507

hello 8b52c862-df1d-4769-9af4-a72ce3f018f6, this is my child, 30bc4026-d451-41bd-9281-f46ed6b7887a

Adám

@rak1507 In Denmark, people are identified by a unique 10-digit number, not by their name. No confusion there.

And yes, it says my number in my passport.

user

16:42

@rak1507 Obviously, they'd only be used for paperwork and not normal stuff

rak1507

I know, just joking

user

Plus, I'm sure you could add in Unicode characters to make them shorter

ngn

@Adám same in Bulgaria. what information does it encode?

Adám

@user Nope, the Danish Central Persons Registry number is used whenever you identify yourself to anything even semi-official.

user

Hi, my ID is 😫1d91⌊📟⍥÷⊣

Adám

16:43

Similar in Sweden. I even had to use my 10-digit number to take a photocopy at the library!

user

@Adám You introduce yourself as "Hi, my number is 1234567890"?

John Dvorak

Ah, that's what they mean when they say "unpronounceable name", isn't it.

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Output each one to STDOUT, then return a readable file object for stdout

user

No, that's Elon Musk's kid

@Dudecoinheringaahing I've actually found a great alternative to STDOUT that lets you print stuff without displaying it: /dev/null! :P

Adám

@ngn In Denmark, it encodes your DoB (with a +/- 100 years ambiguity!) and your gender. In Sweden it encodes your DoB (including a special century bit), roughly where in the country you were born (or "abroad"), and your gender.

And before anyone asks, gender in this context is binary (parity of last digit).

user

16:45

What if your gender changes?

ngn

@Adám in BG they add 20 or 40 to the month to resolve the ambiguity

user

Or if your exact DoB is unknown? (I assume you just guess)

Adám

@user I'm very sure that the system wasn't designed with that in mind.

pxeger

UK passport numbers are something like that I think

rak1507

@Adám sounds similar to a CHI number

pxeger

16:45

evidently this is a common theme

Adám

@ngn They can't do that because invalid dates like that are used to uniquely identify business. Thus, every legal entity has a 10-digit number.

@pxeger But doesn't that change when you get a new passport?

pxeger

@Adám I don't think so?

Adám

@pxeger So two distinct passports can have the same name‽

> allocated to each patient on first registration with the Service

The Danish and Swedish numbers are given at birth.

pxeger

@user if you really want to print it you could try something like this: youtube.com/watch?v=vXwb_7DdZeQ&t=146s

Adám

Fun fact, the Danish numbers are NOT unique. My youngest son's number is 031013-XXXX (sic. With the Ex's) which he shares with all other Danes that were born abroad on 3 Oct '13. (Hence why I have no problem stating it in the open here.)

pxeger

16:49

@Adám no there's a long arbitrary number at the end

rak1507

@Adám what's the point in something that's not unique?!

seems a bit strange

Adám

@rak1507 Who said the system was well designed?

rak1507

lol

ngn

@Adám so which part encodes the gender?

Adám

@ngn Apparently foreign-born Danes are genderless. He'll be assigned a gender if and when he settles in Denmark. If he doesn't before he reaches 21 years of age, he loses his identity. No, I'm not kidding.

I never said the system was well designed.

In Sweden, the number changes on your 100's birthday. The - becomes a +.

ngn

16:53

in BG the numbers have a checksum digit

Adám

The last digit is the check"sum" digit in Denmark and Sweden too.

But with some formula so the gender can be set.

ngn

@Adám hm, so there are fewer than 10^10 valid ones

Adám

For sure. The first 6 digits encode the date anyway.

The system most certainly doesn't scale if the countries grow.

ngn

i guess it would still be plenty for population + legal entities

Adám

Denmark also chose a car license plate scheme that doesn't scale. Nobody envisioned such proliferation of vehicles. The AA NNNNN without recycling scheme is quickly running out of valid plates, and there's just too much software out there that's hardcoded to that format…

Sweden uses AAA NNN with recycling, so that's a bit better.

ngn

16:59

@Adám whoever was advising the government might have been a visionary :)

now they have a guaranteed contract to write software to upgrade to the new scheme

Adám

Hey, the first Danish registration system used AN!

(⎕IO←1!)

The queen's primary car still says A1.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

IATA Airport Codes code-golfdecision-problemstringcompression Out of 17576 alphabetical triplets, to this day, 9144 are used as IATA airport codes. Given a 3-letter string, tell if it appears in the list. The input is mixed-case by default, but you can restrict it to uniform-case or lowercase or...

pxeger

@Adám a friend of mine used to own the A1 numberplate here

it sold for... a lot

Dude coinheringaahing

People will pay stupid money for stuff like that

Didn't someone pay like £100 for the plastic £5 note with AAA000?

Adám

The fool and his money… (Are we still allowed to say that?)

Dude coinheringaahing

17:06

£227 for an AA01 prefix: google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/money/…

ngn

17:18

c pro tip :)

#define VAR(name,value) __typeof__(value)name=(value); //static typing is annoying

user

17:31

lol

C pro tip: Don't use C, move to the country and relax

ngn

@user what should i be using that's fast&concise? i've just started to learn rust but i already hate it because of the verbosity and bloated binaries.

zig seems a bit less annoying but still too verbose for my taste

Redwolf Programs

I could see the bloated binaries being an issue, but Rust isn't that verbose, right? I only used it for a few days, but it seemed about as verbose as C (and anything extra is for very good reason)

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms I'm not sure your idea of verbose and ngn's idea of verbose are the same :P

Redwolf Programs

I personally don't like Rust that much, but I've heard a lot of good things about it (and it'd be quite nice if it caught on and we didn't have as many 0-days as a result)

rak1507

not sure how good the language is but odin-lang.org/docs/overview/#fixed-arrays is pretty cool (array programming in a c-like language)

ngn

17:44

@RedwolfPrograms c has a preprocessor that can compensate for most of the verbosity. i'm not sure rust's macros can get to that level.

Redwolf Programs

I dunno if I'd consider C's preprocessor as an advantage of the language :p

user

@ngn I was joking

I don't know about concise, but ATS (Applied Type System) looks pretty cool

Redwolf Programs

But yeah if you just need a fast language and you're already familiar with C, it's probably the best choice

user

To a newcomer, though, C is horribly verbose too, and its macros are an unintelligible mess

Source: me

rak1507

chapel-lang.org is interesting too

ngn

17:46

@user don't worry, macros are unintelligible only for the first 10 years or so :)

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Redwolf Programs

I feel like someone was just like "hey, we need a shorter way to do thing" and some guy was just like "yeah, on it" and added a find and replace thing then closed the issue and went on with their day :p

user

C's macros are more than a find and replace, but yeah, they feel very hacky

John Dvorak

Pick Rust - it has macros that make sense

user

It's like a B programmer and a Perl programmer mated and the worst possible combinations of their genes combined to form C programmers :P

299792458

Hey guys, do you mind a noob question?

rak1507

17:51

ofc not

Redwolf Programs

Not at all!

ngn

@299792458 was that the noob question? :)

user

They're just asking in case they ever need to ask us a noob question in the future. Very smart, if I may say so :P

299792458

Thanks. I just experienced something very weird. Generally when we declare numbers in any code, they stay put. Either I am on drugs, or I am experiencing something like noise added to one of them?

Or there's just something i am not previously aware of.

@ngn Lol

user

Wait, what do you mean?

Can you show your code?

Redwolf Programs

17:54

Does this noise look like a .00000000001 or .999999999 at the end? If so, it could be floating point imprecision.

299792458

see, I declare x = -0.2:0.1:0.2, I expect x to be a 5 element array with numbers -0.2 to 0.2 at a space of 0.1 each. But the 4th number appears to become 0.1 + (something with 10^-17). I don't understand why.

@RedwolfPrograms Not purposefully so. Might have happened inadvertently, though I don't see why/how.

Redwolf Programs

Yep, looks like floating point imprecision. It's a flaw with how computers usually store non-integers.

The way it's calculating that range is probably just adding 0.1 to -0.2 over and over again until it hits 0.2, and adding tenths usually results in some imprecison (the classic example is 0.1 + 0.2 being 0.30000000000000004)

299792458

Oh wow. Let me check that example.

I get 0.1+0.2-0.3 to be 5.5*10^-17

@RedwolfPrograms Any good reference for me to look at for this, or just Google would be enough?

Adám

@299792458 0.30000000000000004.com

Redwolf Programs

This wikipedia page seems to have some details

299792458

18:00

@Adám Thanks a lot.

@RedwolfPrograms Thanks a lot.

Redwolf Programs

There's not really a good general solution to the problem, although often the errors are small enough to ignore. Sometimes things like rolling your own fixed point representation will work if you absolutely need accuracy.

user

The easiest solution to any problem is to give up and go live in the woods as a hermit eating rabbits with your pet wolves all day

Redwolf Programs

But what if you need to count your 0.1 and 0.2 rabbits? Do you have 0.3 rabbits? If so, how do you represent that with binary?

user

You eat the rabbits until you have 0 rabbits, simple

rak1507

the ieee754 standard and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

user

18:04

Why bother yourself with how many rabbits there are as long as you know there are rabbits?

Redwolf Programs

You might end up with 0.00000000000000004 rabbits left though!

user

@rak1507 The human race has been a disaster for the human race

@RedwolfPrograms So?

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms That's like less than a rabbit fur hair.

299792458

@RedwolfPrograms Alright. In this case, my code task is simple (value comparison based loop), so I can circumvent it by putting a tolerence and compare using an inequality rather than an exact equality. But this is nevertheless a good point to read about.

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 I challenge you to find a better general-purpose way to represent non-integers, though

user

18:04

Why care about whether or not there are little pieces of rabbit? You're a hermit, you don't need to clean your plate

Dude coinheringaahing

@user I too feel that us fellow humans are bad, right fellow humans who I am like?

Redwolf Programs

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ruse

@Dudecoinheringaahing I agree, fellow human. (Yes, I too am a human).

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms why on earth would you want to do that!

Dude coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms How did you type a seven in that keyboard smash?

ruse

18:06

^^

Redwolf Programs

@Dudecoinheringaahing I am the best user on the site

ngn

@rak1507 either humanity should start using binary (including after the decimal point) or computers should start using binary-encoded decimal

ruse

Why bother trying to find a way to represent non-integers when you can think of ways to destroy the human race?

Redwolf Programs

Stupid oneboxing

Dude coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms I disagree

Redwolf Programs

18:06

Oh that's a tall xkcd

ruse

I think Dude was aware of that

ninja

@RedwolfPrograms That's what she said

Redwolf Programs

hahahaha

I now have a screenshot of Dude agreeing I'm the best user on the site :p

Dude coinheringaahing

I don't know what you're talking about, I very clearly disagree

299792458

@RedwolfPrograms But why doesn't this problem plague other numbers in that simple example? e.g. x(2) is expected to be -0.1. So, if I do (x(2)-(-0.1))/10^-25 too, I still get 0. So, the problem hit x(4), but x(2) did not get affected?

Redwolf Programs

Usually the computer can figure out what the floating point representation was supposed to represent, but if you add them in the right order it can get too far from the correct fraction and it's harder to tell

Dude coinheringaahing

18:09

@299792458 Some numbers can be expressed cleanly in binary, others can't be and so need to be approximated

So floating point errors only really affect some numbers

Redwolf Programs

@Dudecoinheringaahing Well yeah, but if that was the cause just entering 0.1 would result in 0.10000...

And 0.3 != 0.1 + 0.2

If it was just imprecision in the representation they'd be equal; it's the errors stacking up that causes that to happen

ngn

@RedwolfPrograms 0.1 is 0.000110011001100.. in binary. the pattern repeats infinitely. the binary fp represenation must cut it off at some point.

299792458

@Dudecoinheringaahing But in this case, x(2) and x(4) are the same number 0.1, just a minus sign difference. Are you referring to how they are generated?

Dude coinheringaahing

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know that much about floating points

Redwolf Programs

@ngn Yeah, but whatever's displaying it knows that that's supposed to be 0.1 and shows that. It only causes problems when you do certain operations that cause the imprecision to add up.

@299792458 Yep. The operations that it takes to get between the numbers can cause information to be lost or inaccuracies to add up

299792458

18:16

@RedwolfPrograms Alright. Thanks a lot for this very informative discussion. I will read up the references you provided.

Also thanks to Adam, and the rest. Very helpful guys. To a user who visited this chat for the first time.

'Cya

user

@RedwolfPrograms Objection, "the site" is unclear

Redwolf Programs

Not really, it's pretty clear "the site" refers to CGCC here :p

user

You may be the best user on 4chan, but that doesn't mean much

@RedwolfPrograms Still doesn't mean much :P

Dude coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms But your name isn't "user", it's "Redwolf Programs"

Redwolf Programs

@user Way to insult a couple thousand code golfers :p

user

18:18

Btw @RedwolfPrograms is the bounty here for Shadow?

Redwolf Programs

@Dudecoinheringaahing user is the best "user" on the site, I'm the best user

@user No, it's for the irony

user

@RedwolfPrograms r/SuicideByWords

@RedwolfPrograms lol

Dude coinheringaahing

@user It'd be a better fit for r/KamikazeByWords :P

Redwolf Programs

I'm exactly the kind of person to throw away my rep for irony :p

Especially when it's mostly unearned :p

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Oh right, I killed all of us :P

(well, not much of a kamikaze, but you know what I mean)

@user I would like to rekindle this conversation. I believe all humans on Earth should be ejected as they are sus. What do you think, totally human fellow humans?

Redwolf Programs

18:21

I think your idea is kind of sus

user

No, you

Eject Redwolf, he's not human

Redwolf Programs

when the species is sus: 😳

ngn

so, users here fall in two broad categories "Adam, and the rest" :)

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Redwolf Programs

Well, that rougly aligns with the categories of "paid code golfers" and "recreational code golfers" :p

Dude coinheringaahing

Every person is either Adám or not Adám :P

Adám

18:24

@ngn Who's Adam?

user

@Adám You, but printed onto paper and then digitized through poor OCR :P

ngn

@Adám the one who is not like the rést

user

external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/…

Adám

@user ???

user

^ That's the first picture that shows up when you look up "Who's Adam?"

Adám

18:26

I actually think of myself as אדם‎‎.

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Why do I get the feeling that's the picture an AI generated given the prompt "Show me a generic white American guy"? :P

user

And the first search result is this

@Dudecoinheringaahing All you need to tell the AI is "Show me a person," it'll fill in the "generic white American guy" all by itself :P

@Adám Which script is that?

Dude coinheringaahing

Hebrew

user

Ah, so it's just Adám in Hebrew?

Adám

Well, Assyrian/Babylonian, but yeah, mostly used for Hebrew and Aramaic these days.

ngn

18:28

@user no, it's just "adm" in hebrew

user

(aside: Any keyboards that are good for English and occasional APL and accented characters?)

Adám

@ngn More like ’dm if you want to be strict.

ngn

@Adám right, technically a consonant, but aleph could indicate a vowel afaik

Adám

@user OS?

user

Oh, is Hebrew the language where the vowels have to be filled in?

@Adám Windows

Adám

18:29

@user github.com/abrudz/Kbd should do the job just fine.

user

Okay, apparently dots show vowels

Adám

Assuming that by "accented" you mean as in most Western European languages, not like Vietnamese…

user

@Adám Accented characters too?

Adám

@user Some: ´^`¨~ and Nordic chars.

user

@Adám Well, just the ones used in French, really. Keeping track of every language/script's accents would be very hard

ngn

18:30

@user arabic and a few others too

Adám

@user Yes, all the ones used in French, including ç. Though I might have missed the OE ligatures.

user

Nice

rak1507

hvng t fll n vwls wld gt vry cnfsng

user

@Adám OE doesn't matter to me, I'm content telling people to go cook oeufs :P

Adám

@rak1507 Sure, but that's because the vowels convey core meaning in English. Not so in Hebrew and Arabic.

ngn

18:32

@rak1507 it makes sense for afro-asiatic languages

rak1507

oh interesting

so you could never get words that had the same consonants but different vowels?

ngn

@rak1507 the vowel patterns are clear from context

Adám

@user The system is quite easy to remember. the AWS triangle draws ´^` the buttons around ⍨ (T) form ¨ (on R) and ~ (on T).

user

@rak1507 Having it flail in vowels wild git Avery confusing?

rak1507

exactly :P

user

18:34

@Adám Thanks, I'll try to keep that in mind

Adám

Fun fact: My parents gave me a most generic name. They were so taken by the fact that they had created a new person that they literally named me "person" in Hebrew.

rak1507

At least you have a name unlike that other kid :P

ngn

@Adám or maybe they thought "ah damn" :)

Adám

@rak1507 It can get super confusing though. I've walked by people having conversations about personhood or humanity in general, and my name comes up like all the time. Same with people quoting laws that say "a person who does such and such…"

rak1507

That does sound confusing

user

18:39

@Adám Hey, I've got a similar story: mine knew I'd be a user on Stack Exchange so they named me "user" :P

Adám

I suppose a person named Richard could get confused when passing through or working at… certain types of businesses.

user

I don't think that nickname is used that much anymore?

Dude coinheringaahing

@user I thought your real name was Original Original Original IV?

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Yeah, they changed it later. Blame the programmers who assumed I'd have a first, middle, and last name, and that all would start with uppercase letters :P

Adám

I had a gym teacher named Dick Hoppe. Wasn't a nickname for Richard.

user

18:40

His parents must have been sadists...

There was a kid at my school whose last name meant "murderer." Wonder if that meant one of his ancestors did some shady work

Adám

He was Swedish. Not uncommon for a word to be perfectly fine in one language, and obscene in another.

user

Ah

Adám

One company failed to realise the connotations when they launched their WaterPik water-jet based toothpick alternative, and extended sales to Denmark. "Pik" is approximately like the English word that has a D instead of P, and ck instead of k.

Dude coinheringaahing

@Adám There is an American store called Dick's Sporting Goods, which I always take the wrong way when I see it :P

user

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks of that :P

Adám

18:55

@Dudecoinheringaahing That's nothing. Whoever chose the URL for Pen Island wasn't thinking: penisland.net

Dude coinheringaahing

Time to go incognito to click that :P

Adám

Perfectly SFW.

Gives a whole new meaning to this entry from their FAQ:

> Q: Can I provide my own wood?
> A: In most cases we can handle your wood. We do require all shipments to be clean, free of parasites and pass all standard customs inspections.

Dude coinheringaahing

> We Specialize In Wood

I'm not entirely convinced this isn't a troll :P

Adám

Is it just me, or is this logo ambiguous:

Dude coinheringaahing

Yeah, that's what makes me think it;s a troll :P

Adám

19:01

It is darn well pulled off, if it is a joke.

ngn

not many people here would remember: before joel and company made stackoverflow, there used to be a site called "expertsexchange" :)

Adám

Yeah. But they quickly added a hyphen.

Internet archive to the rescue.

pxeger

> Accents are important for a truely unique pen and nobody does them like Pen Island. No request is too boring or too off-the-wall, we can fabricate nearly anything. Whether all you want is a simple skinny white pen (it's our best seller!) or something wrapped in leather or little pink bows, we've done it all. Even pens dipped in chocolate!

obviously a joke

Adám

I'm still not sure.

pxeger

there's no way to order other than on the contact form

there are no product images other than stock photos

there are no details other than the email address sales@

Adám

19:07

Hm, registered by someone in Iceland.

pxeger

I was just checking that too lol

Adám

I think I'm convinced that it's a joke. A really good one, though.

Dude coinheringaahing

Are you suggesting that Eliana R didn't really work with Suzanne to get a high quality pen?

pxeger

it's not that funny to me

Dude coinheringaahing

It's not especially funny imo, but it's damn clever

Adám

19:08

Does anyone get the "Boulder CO" joke?

"Ann Arbor MI" and "Woodland CA" both imply "wood".

Dude coinheringaahing

> Q: Do you ship internationally?
A: Absolutely! We have shipped packages to six of the seven continents. If you live in Antarctica contact us for a special discount!

John Dvorak

Hypothesis: Pen Island has invented the Santa Claus conspiracy to mask their logistics

Dude coinheringaahing

I've just emailed sales@, lets see what happens :P

Adám

What did you write them?

Dude coinheringaahing

> I'm interested in purchasing a pen, and was hoping you could help me find one with the right girth?

(plus some standard email filler)

Adám

19:12

Whoa, since 2004.

rak1507

I wonder how many joke emails they get

Adám

Notice the logo back then was a much less ambiguous palm tree.

pxeger

oh I see what you meant earlier now lmfao

Dude coinheringaahing

@rak1507 Probably at least 3

Adám

10 years ago; more palm trees, and a menu that doesn't work. Plus, this is definitely a joke:

> Whether you're looking for a long and skinny pen, a thick pen, a fountain pen that squirts ink, or even a black pen, we have just the one for you.

Dude coinheringaahing

19:32

Oh wow, now that HN's status tags edit spree is more than 60 days past, he's dropped from #1 to #4 in meta participation

user41805

@user hi (forgot to reply to this)

also, whenever someone pings you, the ping highlights for me (but does not ping me)

@rak1507 at least in arabic, ambiguity can be cleared by inserting vowel marks

Adám

Same in Hebrew.

user41805

@Adám or even stricter, there's that fancy curved apostrophe (to distinguish it from ayin)

@Adám what about yiddish, are vowel marks used too, or are they redundant?

Adám

@user41805 I was using that, but the font here isn't good for it: ´alef and `ayin.

user41805

i meant ʾalef and ʿayin, i haven't yet seen those used

Adám

19:44

@user41805 Yes and no. Yiddish uses an alphabet rather than an abjad, though it uses Hebrew (well, Aramaic) letters. So some otherwise unused letters and letter-combinations are repurposed as vowels. There's still a little ambiguity which can be resolved with vowel marks too, especially for less experienced readers. Children's books are sometimes fully (i.e. redundantly) vowelised.

user41805

i see

pxeger

vowelised is a very niche word

Adám

@user41805 Ah, right. I don't have them on my keyboard, so I didn't bother.

pxeger

I feel like Adám knows a lot of niche words

Adám

Probably not disproportionally so. I probably just know specialised terminology of the subjects I'm interested in.

@pxeger You probably know a lot of words related to music theory.

pxeger

19:49

I'm by no means a music theory expert

emanresu A

I know a bit

pxeger

but I suppose, nonetheless, that I know more specialised terminology than the average person

Dude coinheringaahing

@pxeger You probably know a lot of words related to list and here :P

Adám

I probably know more than average terminology when it comes to Judaism and Hebrew. And array programming.

pxeger

@Dudecoinheringaahing "list and here"?

Adám

19:51

> Programmer, administrator, musician, list, of, nouns, here.

pxeger

oh lmao

Adám

CMQ: Which specialist terminology do you know more of than the average population?

Dude coinheringaahing

Probably either climbing or skiing

pxeger

@Adám more than which average population? The world's? In which case, most the words I know, because the average person doesn't speak much English or French :þ

Dude coinheringaahing

But they don't really have a lot of specialist terminology

pxeger

19:53

"belay" is the only one I can think of

but I'm not a specialist lol

Dude coinheringaahing

There are about 20 different terms to describe moves and holds

ngn

hey, i need a new word. can anyone help? "filter" like in functional programming but the function is applied to the list as a whole, not on individual items

Dude coinheringaahing

how would that even work?

pxeger

just an if expression or something?

emanresu A

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