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12:00 AM
i agree.
 
 
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1:49 AM
@leslietownes and they're sorry about it ;-)
 
they're sore-y.
 
well said! Have a brewski
 
Soreyanara?
 
take off, hoser, it's canada day.
i think i do have some molson in the garage.
molson appears to be USA-ian now.
 
1:52 AM
I wouldn't know. It has been since my first year in college since I drank any beer.
bad experience before I developed a taste for it
 
2:09 AM
I prefer good gin and good wine …
 
Hi, all. I am exercising now. I fasted 36 hours 2.5 days ago. I lost 10lbs doing that
I am down to 2-4 nicotine gums / day
 
just finished my palak paneer, off to some friends for some bordeaux.
 
@copper.hat is that bread?
 
its spinach & cheese
 
it's the best spinach and cheese.
 
2:17 AM
*sigh* looks like I won't be getting any sleep tonight with all these fireworks, speaking of Canada Day. Not that I sleep at a healthy time on any night anyway. But still, annoying :/
 
Nice. You should leave a side of spinach for the vegans ;)
 
copper did you eat at king tsin in its prime? berkeley math used it as an after-seminar location a lot. i ate there in the 80s.
 
@hyper-neutrino the circadium rhythm is the strongest force in our lives that drives good health
 
i ate there a few times, the one i frequented most as a student (on solano) was Liu's Kitchen.
 
king tsin was not that good but it was very reasonably priced. my parents loved how they computed your tab on an abacus, which felt a little theatrical to me.
 
2:20 AM
Why use a calculator when some slats/rods/beeds of wood will do
 
i vaguely remember now that you say it. yup, theatrical noise. i always thought there were more tricks to an abacus that there are
abaci suffer from metastability
 
I guess if you go to an Indian restaurant they should use Vedic math tricks
 
(the latter statement is a joke. sort of ruins it to say so.)
 
if you go to the indian place they compute your bill before you've even ordered everything. they just know. vedic math
 
One of my Indian colleagues at work (decades ago) was a mental calculator.
He was part of the CMU group that isolated the Morris worm.
 
2:23 AM
Every integer was their friend, like Ramanujan
 
Awfully smart fellow with an impossibly long name.
 
I'll just call you Sri, Mr. Ramanujan
 
I actually meant my friend, but it applies to R. too.
 
Were they from Venkatanarasimharajuvaripeta
@Ryan Unger speaking of the abacus
 
2:43 AM
the abacus sucks
or maybe it doesn't
I haven't been able to find a youtube video telling me how to multiply at decent speeds without it requiring a ton of muscle memory
 
3:02 AM
no
n o
 
$ n \hspace{5 cm} o $
 
3:25 AM
@LadiesandGents Hi
I want to know if Lipschitz functions have a fixed point or not in general.
Do you have any idea on this? Thanks.
 
3:54 AM
isn't $f(x) = x+1$ lipschitz
 
no it isn't.
But I got the answer to my question. The answer is-No
 
4:15 AM
m o r t a l s
 
 
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5:24 AM
@Koro Wrong .
You meant Lipschitz constant <1.
 
@TedShifrin I did. I thought $|f(x)-f(y)|=|x-y|$ which is clearly not $<|x-y|$ hence not Lipshitz
And for me a function $f$ is Lipshitz if $|f(x)-f(y)|\lt C|x-y|$ for all $x,y$ in domain of $f$, where $0<C<1$ is a constant.
@copper.hat try paalak kofta also
 
i love palak kofta
 
I am shocked that you have eaten that @Leslie
Is it available there?
I thought it was an exclusive recipe here :-)
 
5:40 AM
i've had it in berkeley and oakland. i don't think i've had it where i live now.
we've had trouble finding good indian food near our house
 
5:56 AM
@Koro I will try, thanks for the suggestion! I think I may have had kofta of some sort before.
 
@Koro Your definition is wrong.
 
6:12 AM
@TedShifrin ?
instead of $<$, I should have said $\le$.
Also, I am stating the condition in $\mathbb R$.
OK so $C$ does not have to be <1 rather any $C\ge 0$ will do
I think that's what you want to say
Then yes I was wrong. $f(x)=x+1$ then is Lipshitz function for sure.
@LadiesandGents
@copper.hat Also try mustard leave green curry with fresh and hot maize bread and radish :-)
 
@Koro Will do if I can find it!
 
also add some clarified butter in the curry if you like @copper
 
 
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8:55 AM
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Q: Flooring of Eigenvalues

maths studentLine 7 is needed to handle cases where $\overline{\mathbf{H}}$ has zero or negative eigenvalues. The flooring described in Line 7 may be done as follows: do the Singular Value Decomposition $\overline{\mathbf{H}}=\mathbf{U D V}^{T}$, then let $\hat{\mathbf{D}}$ be a floored version of $\mathbf{D}...

 
xan
9:25 AM
2
Q: Convergence to the mean under the invariant measure of an Itô diffusion

xanLet $X:=\{X_t\}_{t\in[0,T]}$ be the unique strong solution to the Itô diffusion $$ dX_t = a(t,X_t)dt + b(t,X_t)dW_t, $$ where $a,b$ are such that the conditions for the existence of the invariant measure are satisfied. How would one go about showing that for any $f\in\mathcal{C}(\mathbb{R})$: $$ ...

Anybody able to help me out with this one?
 
9:53 AM
Hi everyone.
 
Line 7 is needed to handle cases where $\overline{\mathbf{H}}$ has zero or negative eigenvalues. The flooring described in Line 7 may be done as follows: do the Singular Value Decomposition $\overline{\mathbf{H}}=\mathbf{U D V}^{T}$, then let $\hat{\mathbf{D}}$ be a floored version of $\mathbf{D}$
with diagonal elements $\hat{d}_{i}=\max \left(d_{i}, \epsilon \max _{i} d_{i}\right) ;$ then
let $\hat{\mathbf{H}}=\mathbf{U D} \mathbf{U}^{T}$ (note: the use of $\mathbf{U}$ on both sides is not a typo). This has the effect of flipping the sign of negative eigenvalues, and then imposing a floor
Can someone explain me that last line This has the effect of flipping the sign of negative eigenvalues, and then imposing a floor of $\epsilon$ times the largest eigenvalue. and how V changes into U is best approximation for Hbar
@LeakyNun any idea
 
If $\gamma : [0,1] \rightarrow O \subset \mathbb{C}$ is a closed (continuous) curve, and $O$ is open, is it always possible to find a smooth curve $\gamma' : [0,1] \rightarrow O$, such that $\gamma$ and $\gamma'$ are (freely - no endpoints need to be fixed) homotopic in $O$?
intuitively it seems like if I choose $\gamma'$ close enough to $\gamma$, I should be able to take the straight line homotopy
 
10:11 AM
@porridgemathematics Non-rectifiable curves can be rather bad:
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A: Why is the Jordan Curve Theorem not "obvious"?

user21820This is an old question, but here are some visual examples that help to suggest that indeed the Jordan curve theorem is actually not so intuitively obvious. Both are not rectifiable. We have relatively good intuition about rectifiable curves but not non-rectifiable ones. These examples may s...

The linked post gives examples of continuous curves that can be closed up to form your γ, making it impossible to just use a straight-line homotopy to a "close enough" γ'.
 
user21820 assuming for any $\epsilon > 0$, there is a smooth curve $\gamma' : [0,1] \rightarrow O \subset \mathbb{C}$ for which $sup_{t \in [0,1]} |\gamma'(t) - \gamma(t)| < \epsilon$, and given $\epsilon > 0$ is a lebesgue number for $\gamma([0,1]) \subset O$, at every point $t \in [0,1]$, all line segments of length $< \epsilon$ starting at $\gamma(t)$ are contained in $O$, now consider the homotopy $u_{t}(s) = F(t,s) = (1-t)\gamma(s) + \gamma'(s) t$ is a homotopy in $O$
im not sure why the jordan curve theorem is involved here, perhaps what you are saying makes it easy to point out a flaw in my argument?
 
@porridgemathematics Did you look at the examples I gave or not?
 
I did
i dont see how you have given a counterexample to the question
 
So take the first example, and imagine your so-called γ' and your so-called straight-line homotopy, and check whether it is a fake homotopy or not.
 
$\gamma'$ certainly exists, we could use the weierstrass approximation theorem, for example
 
10:20 AM
@porridgemathematics That's nonsense.
 
so you don't think there are smooth curves that are (uniformly) arbitrarily close to a given curve?
 
Definitely not by a straight-line homotopy. I am not sure about arbitrary homotopy, but I am inclined to disbelieve it.
 
i didn't say these curves are created via a straight line homotopy...
you are misunderstanding my question
 
I did not.
13 mins ago, by porridgemathematics
intuitively it seems like if I choose $\gamma'$ close enough to $\gamma$, I should be able to take the straight line homotopy
 
$\gamma'$ is any smooth curve close enough to $\gamma$ for which a straight line homotopy can take place in $O$
 
10:22 AM
I dispute this claim I just cited ^
 
okay, well I think it holds as long as you choose $\gamma'$ uniformly closer than a lebesgue number of a covering of $\gamma$
 
@porridgemathematics Look, as I said, just imagine a straight-line homotopy from my first example to a smooth curve. It will utterly fail regardless of the smooth curve, because a smooth curve is asymptotically linear around the point that maps from the centre of my example.
 
you haven't provided a counterargument or counterexample to my claim, i have written out a formal proof which you are welcome to dispute
 
I have. You're just being stubborn. Never mind. I have no time to spend on you.
 
10:53 AM
@user21820 math.stackexchange.com/questions/1441749/… it seems the answer to this question is the same proof I just gave in essence, it remarks we do not need $\gamma$ to be rectificable, just continuous is enough. I do not think I was being stubborn
 
11:05 AM
@porridgemathematics This doesn't quite make sense yet (you're taking a Lebesgue number for a cover by one open set?), but I think your idea is correct and the same as in the post you just linked. The same idea, with perhaps a slight bit more work, shows that any continuous curve in a smooth manifold is homotopic to a smooth curve (even with endpoints fixed). In fact, the same holds for any continuous map between smooth manifolds (the idea for this isn't more complicated either, it's just more technical).
 
@porridgemathematics You're wrong. Eric's answer does not justify that the straight-line homotopy is actually a homotopy. You cannot halfway have self-intersection.
Hmm. Maybe I'm using a different meaning of "homotopy".
 
@user21820 These pictures look like curves in the plane. Any two closed curves in the plane are freely homotopic. If you mean to view them as curves in some other open subset of C, you have failed to make your intent clear.
 
@Thorgott I now see that I mistook "homotopy" for "isotopy", which was the reason for my objection.
@porridgemathematics: So my objection was invalid because I used the wrong definition.
 
11:46 AM
The recent kerfuffle about the Riemann hypothesis inspired me to write a little Sage / Python script to explore the graph of the cumulative Liouville function, A002819. There are a couple of graphs on Wikipedia, but they're pretty crude, and you can't zoom in.
My script takes ~15 seconds to factorize the numbers <500,000 and plot the whole graph, but then you can zoom into any sub-domain. You can change the domain by adjusting the m parameter in the script. I've tried it with 2,000,000. If you go too high, the server will just kick you off. ;)
But anyway, looking at that graph, I find it strange that someone would claim that the Liouville function "obviously" has a mean value of zero. Maybe it does, eventually...
 
12:09 PM
@Thorgott yeah my argument wasn't exactly up to par I agree, I meant to say a lebesgue number for some cover using open sets contained in $O$, also the statement of the problem should definitely have had endpoints fixed, otherwise the resolution is trivial
but the general theme was that eventually the straight line homotopy works (after some fiddling to get a smooth approximation)
 
12:24 PM
@Thorgott I do not know how viable what I am saying is, but maybe one can modify your proof which was in the case of Riemann surfaces to general complex manifolds, to give a cohomological criteria for ampleness. What you did was working because $\mathcal{O}_X(-p-q)$ were invertible sheaves. This won't happen in general. Instead what I think we can do is blowup $X$ at $p,q$ and then consider the exceptional divisors and proceed with your argument. I have to iron out some details but it can work
 
12:39 PM
hm? I think the cohomological criterion I was discussing with Ted works for any compact complex manifold
 
1:12 PM
can we ask simple math questions in this room?
 
@LearningCHelpMe Sure!
 
What is the differences between a singularity and a discontinuity as it pertains to functions? It seems similar, but I think there are some subtle differences that I'm unsure about
 
Do you have rigorous definitions for both you want to compare ?
 
singularity is a pretty context-dependent word
 
@Thorgott Agreed.
@LearningCHelpMe By singularity I suppose you mean a point where the function is completely undefined, eg at x=0 for y=1/x?
 
1:23 PM
@Astyx Textbook states that: Singularities occur at points at which a function is undefined. Thus singularities are never in the domain of a function
Yes, that's one of the examples my textbook uses @A-LevelStudent
 
That doesn't define a singularity. Isn't your textbook more specific?
 
No. It's a standard A-level math textbook. Sadly, they don't go very specific as it's still high school math
 
@LearningCHelpMe Fine :). Well, plot the graph of y=arctan(1/x). It doesn't have a singularity at x=0. but it is discontinuous there so a discontinuity and singularity aren't always the same thing.
@LearningCHelpMe I've just finished A Levels, cool! Which textbook did you find that in? I wasn't aware that the syllabus covered continuity.
Unless it's from the chapter about numerical methods?
 
arctan(1/x) is not defined at x=0 though
 
1:27 PM
so that seems to be a singularity in this sense
 
@A-LevelStudent It's an old textbook. Further Pure Mathematics by Bostock and Chandler
 
@Thorgott Good point, I was thinking of singularities as when the right/left handed limits also don't exist (or equal infinity).
So I guess that would be a singularity, my mistake. Sorry.
Ok, how about the floor function?
 
Wikipedia isn't a bible, but en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(mathematics) covers some ground on the topic
 
I understand that there are several types of discontinuities. Such as, removable, jump, infinite discontinuities. For the function 1/x at x= 0, could the function at x = 0 be classed as an infinite discontinuity aswell as a singularity?
Are they just two terms that can be used interchangeably in most cases?
@user3733558 Thanks. I'll give it a read
 
@LearningCHelpMe in that article, the section about real analysis only names the fourth discontinuity type as a "singularity", and "essential" one in fact.
if I understand correctly, an example of such singularities would be $x=0$ for $f(x)=\sin(1/x)$
 
1:37 PM
For removable discontinuity, I'd think of $y=x^2/x$ at $x=0$.
Jump discontinuity, the floor function at all positive integers.
Looking at the floor function, I think we can see that according to your textbook's definition of a singularity, a singularity and discontinuity are not necessarily equivalent.
 
1:58 PM
@LearningCHelpMe Are you still unsure about something?
 
@A-LevelStudent Nope, the Wikipedia article and your examples cleared up my misconceptions. Thank you for the help. :-)
 
@LearningCHelpMe Awesome, glad to be of service to you :)
 
2:22 PM
A joke: what did the drowning number theorist say?
 
O log, O log log, O log log log log log
 
@BalarkaSen Nearly :) Logloglogloglogloglog...
 
2:34 PM
1
Q: Is everything just coincidence?

Deschele SchilderThe lyrics of a song by The Chameleons made me wonder: It's just coincidence Well you can talk that way But I have to say I don't believe in it After considering these lyrics, I have the following questions: Is everything just coincidence? Doesn't fate exist? Are all the people meeting ju...

What the hell
 
2:52 PM
so then how does 5x0=0 when what ever you are multiplying does not disappear. as in, i have five apples. i want to multiply them by 5 so i have 25 now. so then if i multiply them by 0 were do they go? if 5 things dont exist, then its 0x0.
 
@toothlessgrinn When we say we have 0 of something, that means we have none of that particular thing. Now, when we say axb, we mean that we are finding how much we are left with of we have a lots of b, or equivalently b lots of a. In this case, suppose that a=0 and b=5. ...
...(continued)Then 0x5 means 0 lots of 5 which means we have no lots of 5, ie nothing at all. Similarly, if we were to write 5x0 this means 5 lots of 0, but 0 is nothing so 5 lots of nothing is still nothing. @toothlessgrinn Is that any clearer?
 
3:12 PM
Hey @vitamind :)
 
@BalarkaSen I'm disapointed this isn't a MSE post
 
3:38 PM
saying 5 lots of nothing is not multiplying. then its 0x0. 5 represents somthing and it doesnt matter what. if you multiply it by 0 it doesnt disappear. and if 0=1 then in turn its 5x1 yet 5x0 and they both have the same answer.
 
you act as if multiplication is a physical process in which you take two physically represented quantities and somehow multiply them. this isn't the case. the "real world interpretation" of multiplication is that it describes something being iterated, like A-Level Student already explained.
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you cant make up your own rules just cuz you dont like the facts. ask a rabbit how physical multiplying is and get back to me. 5 STILL represents SOMETHING and it does not matter what. it represents something. so in saying if you multiply it by 0 you still have the same number of whatever. SHOW me how im wrong. is it so hard? dont slather me with propaganda. i want proof. if you cant prove it then dont answer.
 
lol
 
3:56 PM
@BalarkaSen Deschele seems to be going through a bit of a manic phase at the moment... He's an interesting character but he has a tendency to get caught up in pretty wild ideas, and that seems to have intensified in the last few weeks.
 
@BalarkaSen I don't worry about it. You weren't here a microsecond ago, and you'll be gone in another microsecond. Nice knowing you ;-)
 
FWIW, I made my Liouville cumulative sum calculation much more efficient than the version I posted here. It can now go upto 5,000,000 in around 1 minute. I'll post the new version, if anyone's interested.
 
@robjohn Are you suggesting you're an imposter in robjohn-skin? If so, give back the real robjohn!
 
Hello
If $A\subset[0,2\pi]$ is measurable, prove that

$$\lim_{n\to\infty}\int_A \cos (nx)\ dx=\lim_{n\to\infty}\int_A \sin(nx) \ dx=0$$

Hint: Prove the result when $A$ is an interval, then prove it when $A$ is a disjoint union of intervals. Then, use that any measurable set can be approximated by open sets from outside.
How do I proceed? I'm stuck
 
Hi, are questions on statistics off-topic here?
 
4:05 PM
@epsilon-emperor That is the Riemann-Lebesgue Lemma
 
proceed with what? you haven't told us where you're at
 
@robjohn Agreed. We aren't allowed to use that
We've to prove from scratch
 
@epsilon-emperor yes, you are trying to prove that, it seems.
 
@Thorgott So I'm trying to follow the hint, though I do not know how it's gonna work.
 
@epsilon-emperor Can you prove it for an open interval?
 
4:06 PM
yes, but which step are you at
 
I'm trying to apply DCT for some reason
Since the integrands are bounded
 
the integrands don't converge, so that won't work
 
@robjohn Not yet, but let's see
 
the hint right there tells you what to do, I advise you to follow it
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I was also thinking of writing $\cos nx$ and $\sin nx$ in terms of $e^{inx}$ and $e^{-inx}$
 
4:09 PM
-_-
 
Ahuevo gol!
 
that will work too, it doesn't make much of a difference, if any at all
 
@Thorgott "at what point you are" ;-p
 
@robjohn I don't see what you're after. =P
 
Nothing. There is nothing I'm after. -_-
 
4:16 PM
So instead of first proving it for an open interval
 
@epsilon-emperor what have you gotten for $\int_a^b\sin(nx)\,\mathrm{d}x$?
 
I'm trying to make sense of the hint, i.e. assuming for open interval and then showing it holds for a disjoint union. Here's what I got:
Suppose $$\lim_{n\to\infty}\int_A \cos nx\ dx=\lim_{n\to\infty}\int_A \sin nx \ dx=0$$ for an open interval $A$. Let $B$ be an open set in $[0,2\pi]$. Then, $B = \bigcup_{i=1}^\infty A_i$ where $A_i$ are open.
We have $$\lim_{n\to\infty}\int_B \cos nx\ dx = \lim_{n\to\infty}\lim_{m\to\infty}\sum_{i=1}^m \int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx$$
$$\lim_{n\to\infty}\int_B \sin nx\ dx = \lim_{n\to\infty}\lim_{m\to\infty}\sum_{i=1}^m \int_{A_i} \sin nx\ dx$$
Now I'm not sure if we can interchange the limits.
 
@robjohn There is nothing after which you are. =D
 
If we can, that's good.
 
If a function is symmetric about the y-axis, does that necessarily mean that it is an even function? If you defined some piecewise function which is symmetric about that y-axis, but doesn't obey the $f(-x) = f(x)$ could you still call it even?
 
4:18 PM
@user21820 I gave up (<- another terminal preposition)
 
$$\int_a^b\sin(nx)\,\mathrm{d}x = \frac{1}{n}(\cos nb - \cos na) \le \frac{2}{n} \xrightarrow{n\to\infty} 0$$
There is no lower bound here though. I mean, the lower bound is not zero.
 
@epsilon-emperor Cannot directly exchange, but you can increase n until integral over the first interval stays close enough, then increase n some more until over second interval stays close enough, then ... Make sure all the close enough adds up to ε.
 
@LearningCHelpMe How can it be symmetric about the $y$-axis and not have $f(x)=f(-x)$?
 
@robjohn Actually I cheated, because "be after" is a phrasal verb, as is "give up", so it doesn't obey the prescriptivist rule that prepositions should not be left dangling.
 
@epsilon-emperor Is it not between $-\frac2n$ and $\frac2n$?
 
4:21 PM
@robjohn Nevermind me. That works. So we've proved it for an open interval.
I wish there was a way to undo embarrassing chats XD
 
@epsilon-emperor Now there are the next two hints.
You were trying to do too much at once. The idea in most investigations is to try simple cases and once you see how those work, go on to more complicated cases.
 
@robjohn And it's often the case in measure theory that you first prove the result for elementary sets (disjoint union of boxes) and then build from there.
 
That's sort of the idea at which I was getting, but it is the general strategy in measure theory
 
@user21820 I'm not sure I understand this :(
@robjohn Yes, thanks!
 
@robjohn Would a piecewise function that is periodic not satisfy this? I'm having a hard time sketching it on geogbra, but you can imagine it
 
4:27 PM
@epsilon-emperor Claim for one interval means that as you increase n the limit goes to zero.
So past a certain n it stays close to zero.
 
@LearningCHelpMe not all periodic functions are symmetric about the $y$-axis.
 
So the intuition is to just keep increasing n to satisfy more and more intervals. Now if you have countably many disjoint intervals that are all stuck within a bounded region, you can ignore the sufficiently tiny ones, leaving finitely many intervals.
Of course, there may be other slicker proofs, but this concrete intuition via approximation is easier to find.
 
@user21820 Agreed
 
@user21820 I don't think I've seen a slicker proof of RL. At least at the level where it is being proven, pounding with the available hammers is the way to go.
I would worry that a slicker proof might be circular.
 
Since $\int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx \to 0$ as $n\to\infty$, there exists $N_i$ such that for $n\ge N_i$, $-\epsilon < \int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx < \epsilon$. For $n\ge \max\{N_1, ..., N_m\}$,

$$-m\epsilon <\sum_{i=1}^m \int_{A_i}\cos nx\ dx < m\epsilon$$
This is where I'm at
 
4:39 PM
@robjohn Would this be even? desmos.com/calculator/pxtzvvvb7n
 
@LearningCHelpMe no. nor is it symmetric about the $y$-axis
@epsilon-emperor there is no connection between $m$ and $n$. simply choose $n$ so that $m\epsilon$ is small.
 
@robjohn Sometimes, on the real line, you can get away with weird tricks. For example, I didn't check but how about letting c = sup { x : x∈[0,2π] ∧ claim holds for A ⋂ [0,x] }, and deriving contradiction unless c = 2π?
 
@robjohn So you're asking me to put $m = n$?
 
@epsilon-emperor absolutely not
choose $n$ so big that $m\epsilon$ is small.
 
@robjohn like for every $n\ge N$, $m\epsilon < 1/k$ for some $k$?
 
4:44 PM
@epsilon-emperor You can choose $m$ so that the integral over some $m$ open intervals is within $\epsilon/2$ of the integral over $A$, correct?
 
Thanks rob was looking at the graph incorrectly, silly me. So there is no cases where a function can be made symmetric about the y-axis unless it obeys $f(x) = f(-x)$?
 
@LearningCHelpMe correct. symmetric about the $y$-axis is the same as $f(x)=f(-x)$
 
$$\int_B \cos nx\ dx = \lim_{m\to\infty}\sum_{i=1}^m \int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx$$
We can choose $M$ such that for all $m\ge M$, we have $$\left|\int_B \cos nx\ dx - \sum_{i=1}^m \int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx \right| < \epsilon/2$$
Is this what you're saying?
 
Okay, so your measurable set is $B$ and the $A_i$ are the open intervals?
 
@robjohn Yep, now it is!
 
4:49 PM
then that is correct.
 
Sorry for the change of notation, it just happened lol
 
Well... for some $m$, you can find $m$ open intervals so that that is true.
 
@robjohn In fact for every $m\ge M$ right
Also are you suggesting the following now? Taking limit $n\to\infty$, we have for $m\ge M$,
$$\left|\lim_{n\to\infty}\int_B \cos nx\ dx - \lim_{n\to\infty}\sum_{i=1}^m \int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx \right| < \epsilon/2$$

This seems weird, it is as good as swapping limits
 
You just need one such $m$ for each $\epsilon$
 
@robjohn $M$ alone suffices then
 
4:56 PM
yes, and knowing that $B$ is measurable implies that there is a collection of open sets so that $B\subset\bigcup\limits_kA_k$ and $\sum\limits_km(A_k)\le M(B)+\epsilon/2$
 
You're skipping ahead. I don't see how we finished the proof for disjoint intervals yet
 
@epsilon-emperor you mean for the finite union of disjoint intervals?
 
@robjohn No, countable disjoint union right
finite union is trivial there is nothing to do
Every open set is a countable union of disjoint intervals
We proved the result for intervals, and to prove it for open sets we need to prove it for COUNTABLE unions
 
@epsilon-emperor Why do we need a countable disjoint union? $\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \mu(A_k)\lt\infty$ implies that there is an $m$ so that $\sum\limits_{k=m}^\infty\mu(A_k)\lt\epsilon/2$
 
Wait I think we're doing two different things
Are you using outer regularity or not?
If $B$ is a measurable set, for every $\epsilon > 0$, there exists an open set $V$ such that $m(V\setminus B) < \epsilon$
 
5:10 PM
I am just saying that we can find a finite collection of open intervals whose measure differs from $B$ by $\epsilon$
 
While you're saying $B \subset \bigcup_k A_k$
$B \subset \bigcup_k A_k$ --- where is this coming from
I thought we had to use https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/58513395#58513395
 
@epsilon-emperor Yes, that is a countable collection of open intervals, but we only need a finite collection to come within $\epsilon/2$ of the measure of $B$
The measure of the rest of the $A_k$ is less than $\epsilon/2$
@epsilon-emperor how is that different?
$V$ is the union of the $A_k$
 
I think it makes sense, I need some time to process this
 
keep in mind that any open set in $\mathbb{R}$ is a countable union of open intervals.
 
@Thorgott Your message made me laugh out loud :)
 
5:39 PM
@robjohn I think I've nailed it
Could you take a look?
Let $B$ be a measurable set. Then, there exists an open set $V = \biguplus_{k=1}^\infty A_k$ such that $B \subset V$ and $m(V\setminus B) < \epsilon/2$. Since $m(V) < \infty$, there exists $m$ such that $\sum_{i=m+1}^{\infty} m(A_i) < \epsilon/2$.
$$\int_B \cos nx\ dx \le \sum_{i=1}^m \int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx + \sum_{i=m+1}^\infty \int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx < \sum_{i=1}^m \int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx + \epsilon/2$$
Taking $n\to\infty$,
$$\lim_{n\to\infty} \int_B \cos nx\ dx \le \epsilon/2 < \epsilon$$
Since $\epsilon > 0$ is arbitrary, I think we're done.
In fact, $m(V\setminus B) < \epsilon/2$ seems unnecessary
All we need is that some open set $V \supset B$ exists so that $m(V) < \infty$. Right?
 
@epsilon-emperor If you think that, you need to look again at your estimates.
How do you control $\sum_{i=m+1}^\infty \int_{A_i} \cos nx\ dx$?
 
@robjohn Since $m(V) < \infty$, there exists $m$ such that $\sum_{i=m+1}^{\infty} m(A_i) < \epsilon/2$.
This seems sufficient.
$m(V) = \sum_{i=1}^\infty m(A_i)$ is clear, since the $A_i$'s are disjoint
 
@epsilon-emperor Not all the terms in your sums are positive. You seem to be assuming they are because of the inequalities you state.
You have the integral over $\bigcup_kA_k$ tends to $0$, but there is the part of the union which is outside $B$ that needs to be controlled.
I don't think that is handled anywhere, either
This is all about cancellation. The integral of the absolute values does not tend to $0$
The integral of the absolute value should tend to $\frac2\pi$ of the measure of $B$.
If I were teaching this, I would give that as the next exercise.
The integral of the square should tend to $\frac12$ of the measure of $B$
The proofs are essentially the same. And you should do them as they are good practice and they confirm that you understand what is going on.
 
6:05 PM
@robjohn The Lebesgue measure is always non-negative
 
6:20 PM
@epsilon-emperor Those are integrals.
You are showing something over open intervals, and the amount that is in those intervals that is not in $B$ is important and not always positive.
 
You can’t just plop limit in the inequality unless you know it exists!
The thing can oscillate negatively, for example.
 
hi, im not sure why this justification imgur.com/a/nls9tDq makes sense, for example if $f(z) = -1$, then surely we don't have $log(-1 ) + log(\overline{-1}) = log(|-1|^2)$ for any branch of the logarithm defined in a neighbourhood of $-1$?
 
They're not doing what you're doing, @porridge. They're just applying $\bar\partial\partial$ to the sum.
 
6:35 PM
aren't they using $log(f(z)) + log(\overline{f}(z)) = log(|f|^2)$?
or rather, isn't the point of applying $\overline{\partial} \partial$ to the sum because of that ^
the log being used when they consider $log(|f|^2)$ is the principal branch
 
Oh, I see your point. Well, OK, those differ at most by a constant if you change branches, anyhow. Just compute away from branch issues and use continuity.
 
@TedShifrin I can't? Hmm, how do I make it neater then
 
It's not a matter of neater. It's a matter of valid. I think you have to listen to what robjohn was telling you. I was just trying to give you more understanding of what you did wrong. I'm not thinking about the question.
 
ah ok I see, so in other words besides at most some half line, we can ensure $log(f(z)) + log(\overline{f(z)}) = log_{P}(|f|^2 (z))$ holds , i.e. $\Delta^c(log_{P}(|f|^2(z))) = 0$ everywhere but that half line, and by continuity, also on that half line
is that the idea?
here $log_P$ is principal branch (i.e. outputs wholly real values on positive real line)
 
7:08 PM
@robjohn I'll think more about this and get back.
 
 
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8:50 PM
Can someone recommend a book for higher dimensional complex analysis? If possible a book, which focuses on exercises.
 
did steve krantz have a book on that? i lost most of my books in a move. thanks, us postal service
he did. something like 'several complex variables.'
 
Dror Varolin has a book on Riemann surfaces and complex analytic geometry which discusses a lot of several variables. Though my favorite is Gunning and Rossi's text
 
gunning and rossi is very good. i never really worked in the area but i liked the book.
 
I use it as a reference whenever there is some analysis I do not understand, and it is one of my favorite texts on analysis. It's chapters on Stein Spaces and Sheaf cohomology are excellent
 
i never owned it, i just borrowed it from the library. after a certain time in grad school you could borrow things in perpetuity unless they were recalled back. so i had it on my shelf
 
8:58 PM
Same here. A friend and I are doing this seminar series on Fourier Mukai transforms, so we have been giving an extended period on borrowing all algebraic geometry texts and related areas. So we just keep cycling all these textbooks
 
Typically, advanced graduate-level texts have few or no exercises. None of these has exercises. Griffiths/Harris has no exercises. My favorite SCV book, Hörmander, has no exercises.
 
one time as a prof i needed a text and the library said it was checked out for 12 months and i said, just tell me their name and i will bother them directly or take it out of their office when they aren't there. they gave me the name.
hormander is great.
 
Also,
Look at Narasimhan’s books.
 
That's why I favor Huybrechts. Lots and lots of crazy good exercises. Read stuff from Griffith-Harris, solve exercises from Huybrechts
Though his text on Fourier Mukai transforms has very boring exercises. I guess you cannot blame him there, most of that stuff is out in the papers, so except routine checks I do not think much can be given in terms of exercises
 
Thanks for the recommendations.
 
9:03 PM
I wrote tons of exercises when I taught complex geometry. Various people in here have copies.
 
@Ted Yes, could you give me some of them?
 
Email me and I’ll send. Typed on old-fashioned typewriter!
 
he will send them by carrier pigeon.
 
On parchments
 
9:05 PM
i wish i hadn't sold my grandfather's typewriter. i inherited it and needed money.
 
@leslietownes, :(
 
I have a typewriter. I like to take it out time to time, clean it and then keep it back. I used to write a lot on it when I was kid but I am afraid I might damage it now
 
i learned to type on it. it's thanks to him that i am bothering all of you now.
he'd taken it through northern africa, italy, and france in WW2. i sold it for thirty dollars.
 
Wow that's serious history
 
i still have his collection of photographs.
 
9:10 PM
@TedShifrin Regarding our conversation a day or two ago about $o(xt)\neq xo(t)$, I have made a post on the main site about the problem related to the question. It's about statistics, but the calculations are very basic calculus.
 
oh. uh oh. (uh)^m oh.
 
hi all
 
 
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11:25 PM
Why would advanced graduate texts not have many exercises?......I think I know the reason to it, but it seems a little arrogant if it is the case.
 
the expectation is that you will explore yourself
not all texts are like that
 
It's a lot of work to write (good) exercises. And many people teaching advanced courses assign no homework.
 
11:51 PM
my advisor always put exercises in but you could tell he had not assigned them because they were riddled with typos.
they fixed some of them in the second printing.
 

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