The Nineteenth Byte

Shuffle a subsequence Thanks to rak1507 for the suggestion "Random" in this challenge always refers to "uniformly random" - of all possible choices, each has an equal chance of being chosen. Uniform shuffling means that every possible permutation of the array has an equal chance of being chosen....

Just some casual RO abuse, given that the challenge changed :P

hyper-neutrino

lol

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10:19 PM

so yeah shuffling a contiguous sublist is 10 bytes in brachylog

user

Why'd you have to change yours? I need to delete mine now ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

hyper-neutrino

easier to 11 the post to update it

caird coinheringaahing

@user Yours is very different

rak1507

@user yours takes a list of indices

which makes it slightly more difficult but not really

hyper-neutrino

→ 1 tablespoon of baking powder moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

user

10:20 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing It just skips the "decide which indices to shuffle" step

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which can be done in a way that completely bypasses indices

caird coinheringaahing

Oh yeah, I thought yours would be "Given a list, shuffle a random contiguous subset"

Unrelated String

that too

caird coinheringaahing

That's a pretty decent challenge that's probably very distinct from mine

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I thought that's what yours is (without the "contiguous" part?)

caird coinheringaahing

10:22 PM

That "contiguous" part is important tho :p

user

It is, yeah

Just undeleted my draft. I guess plagiarism pays after all :P

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Mind moving it back/editing that to have user's Sandbox post?

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Nah, baking powder's good :P

hyper-neutrino

not sure how to from mobile

Luis Mendo

27 answers and only 6 upvotes? I always find it hard to accept that people consider a challenge not good enough to upvote, but good enough to answer

user

10:26 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Mind if I steal your definition of random too?

caird coinheringaahing

In which case, leave it and user can post it if/when they want to

@user Go ahead

hyper-neutrino

you should be able to, but imo just repost cuz moving back will preserve its chronological order several messages back

rak1507

@LuisMendo not a particularly interesting challenge, but if I knew about that canvas builtin you bet I would have answered :P

caird coinheringaahing

@LuisMendo Same. If I put in the effort to answer, I can put in the effort to upvote

Luis Mendo

@rak1507 You can also see it the other way around: the challenge is simple enough to try to answer it in some weird, not-easy-to-use language

caird coinheringaahing

10:28 PM

^

rak1507

@LuisMendo true, either way I would say I generally only upvote particularly interesting questions (and answers really)

caird coinheringaahing

I tried to answer in Whispers and Commentator, but they're really not good with strings

Luis Mendo

I looked up ArnoldC, but it doesn't seem to have a way to dynamically build strings

caird coinheringaahing

I just thought that I could try using an identity matrix for Whispers, but v2 doesn't have that builtin and I hate having to test locally :/

Luis Mendo

When I saw the challenge I immediately thought about the identity matrix in MATL, but it was too obvious (for me) :-D

hyper-neutrino

10:33 PM

this could actually be decently golfy for branch to solve

caird coinheringaahing

@LuisMendo If it has lists and indexing, you could iterate, creating a progressively larger list consisting of n leading 0s and a trailing 1, then index each into " \"

I do like that there are 3 different Jelly 7 byters :P

Luis Mendo

Hm I think it doesn't. At least as far as I know that language

Ah, there are quite a few answers with the identity matrix idea

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Also, I believe that I've lost the off-line interpreter (at least until I boot up my old desktop), so ಠ_ಠ

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Shuffle a subset of a list code-golf array-manipulation random Idea shamelessly stolen from caird and rak1507 Shuffle a subset of a list of positive integers with uniform randomness, given the indices of that subset. For example, given the list \$[A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H]\$ and the indices \$[0, 3...

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I thought you or Razetime had a repl.it

caird coinheringaahing

10:40 PM

@SandboxPosts Isn't this exactly the same as last time?

@user Yes, that rings a bell. Lemme go digging

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wait, I was going to change it?

caird coinheringaahing

20 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

Oh yeah, I thought yours would be "Given a list, shuffle a random contiguous subset"

Redwolf Programs

I completely forgot JS had syntactic sugar for classes lol, time to learn how to use class

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@cairdcoinheringaahing speaking of three Jelly 7-byters, I've got another one for this :P

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I thought that'd be too similar to yours, which is why I used indices instead

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10:43 PM

never mind

caird coinheringaahing

@user With indices, it's actually closer to mine. Contiguous subsets make the challenge a lot "easier" than having to deal with subsequences, as you can "slice" the array between the start and end indices

Redwolf Programs

TIL JS has class expressions. var Dog = class {} is valid JS

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you can choose a random partition, then shuffle the middle slice of the partition, and re-concatenate

which is so much less funky than any conceivable way of doing it to non-consecutive subsequences

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString That's a clever usage of C to prevent Ḣ from mutating the input

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thanks

user

10:46 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Would you recommend switching to use contiguous subsets, then? (or putting this draft on ice for now?)

caird coinheringaahing

@user I'd suggest switching, just because it's an interesting challenge that's pretty distinct from mine, so there's no dupe overlap

user

Alright

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I changed it to ‘ back when I was trying to use œṖ for aesthetic/obfuscating reasons (since I had to use another one afterwards) but my first instinct was C

caird coinheringaahing

@user Contiguous subsets actually has multiple different ways of approaching the challenge, just of the top of my head, that should be quite interesting

A username

CMQ: What flavor is your Jelly?

caird coinheringaahing

10:49 PM

Atomic and quick

rak1507

@Ausername not had actual food jelly in years but strawberry is clearly the best

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@rak1507 same

Redwolf Programs

I don't like grape or strawberry that much honestly. I've had some less common flavors and those are much better.

I don't remember what they were though.

rak1507

ah, good old americans getting words wrong

user

@Ausername Anything can taste good when it's weed-flavored :P

caird coinheringaahing

10:50 PM

Lime or lemon are pretty good

rak1507

jelly is not jam! smh

caird coinheringaahing

TBF I'm talking about either :P

rak1507

strawberry jam is the best jam anyway too

user

@rak1507 Nor is it CJam

Redwolf Programs

Wait so out jam is y'all's jelly, right?

caird coinheringaahing

10:51 PM

@user Idk about you, but I generally don't take cannabis-related things for the flavour :P

Or, at all, for any cops reading this

@RedwolfPrograms No, jam for us is preserves, jelly = Jell-o

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing close call

Redwolf Programs

What do y'all call our jelly and/or jam? Or do you not have words for them?

A username

I have repcapped. 46 to go.

caird coinheringaahing

What's your jelly and jam?

Describe it

Wezl

@Ausername MARMALADE

more my lady, more marmalade, my lady

A username

10:53 PM

Sure.

Redwolf Programs

Jelly: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_preserves#Jelly

caird coinheringaahing

Lime marmalade is good

Redwolf Programs

Jam: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_preserves#Jam

Wezl

Mar 26 at 16:39, by Wezl

@ChartZBelatedly I will try that O_o

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Also jelly (for stuff like cranberry/redcurrent)

A username

10:54 PM

Peanut butter and jelly sandwich

A peanut butter and jelly (or jam) sandwich (PB&J) consists of peanut butter and fruit preserves — jelly or jam — spread on bread. The sandwich may be open-faced, made of a single slice of bread folded over, or made between two slices of bread. The sandwich is popular in the United States of America, especially among children; a 2002 survey showed the average American will eat 1,500 before graduating from high school. There are many, many variations on the sandwich, starting with the basic peanut butter sandwich or jam sandwich. == Preparation == Under basic preparation methods, a layer of peanut...

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Jam

Redwolf Programs

Our jelly is smooth in consistency, jam is a bit chunky.

Wezl

@Wezl still haven't tried it :P, tbf I haven't found it

A username

There's seriously a wikipedia article for that :P

Redwolf Programs

That's the main difference (aside from how they're made)

caird coinheringaahing

10:54 PM

@RedwolfPrograms I don't think I've ever had that on a sandwich - always with roast dinners

@Wezl Roses sells it

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh, I was talking about this ;)

A username

It's nice replying to comments from people with long names - pinging them takes up the whole limit and you can say whatever.

rak1507

@Wezl I can't remember exactly but I think my grandad likes marmalade and cheese sandwiches or something revolting like that

caird coinheringaahing

@user Yes. So was I. Totally. :P

user

TIL seaweed jelly is a thing

caird coinheringaahing

10:56 PM

@rak1507 Marmite and apricot jam sandwiches are quality

A username

Someone I know had tuna and mustard. On toast. For breakfast.

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...

both of those sound independently awful on toast

A username

They didn't finish it.

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i guess it balances out

oh

caird coinheringaahing

Tuna on toast isn't bad

rak1507

10:57 PM

I would not like to be within a close vicinity of them after eating that

user

@Ausername I eat tuna with honey mustard, but on toast seems weird

caird coinheringaahing

Like, roasted, not canned

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yeaH that makes more sense

Redwolf Programs

Maybe they just got it confused with mayo?

user

Just tuna on toast still seems weird

Redwolf Programs

10:58 PM

Yeah

caird coinheringaahing

Fish on toast is generally good, when the fish has been properly grilled

A username

It was canned tuna tho.

user

I guess the mustard helped give it flavor?

A username

2 mins ago, by A username

They didn't finish it.

Redwolf Programs

@Ausername ~~I thought you meant they put a still living tuna on their toast, covered in salt water and flopping all over the place~~

caird coinheringaahing

11:00 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Turns out I forgot to make my custom Matrix type usable so crap :/

@RedwolfPrograms "A fisherman's breakfast"

user

@RedwolfPrograms The salt might explain why they didn't finish it :P

Ate a bowl of salt once and felt like puking for an hour after that

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername spaghetti

Redwolf Programs

I love the texture of the scales, and the taste of the mercury

hyper-neutrino

@user tf

Redwolf Programs

@user That's not very healthy

caird coinheringaahing

11:01 PM

@user How much is a bowl?

user

@hyper-neutrino It wasn't a very big bowl

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms Not exactly breaking news though lol

A username

How many litres?

user

How would I know? I only measure my salt in tonnes :P

caird coinheringaahing

I think I'm allergic to sushi. Every time I eat more than 80 sushis, I throw up

4

hyper-neutrino

11:03 PM

...

user

@RedwolfPrograms Bananas aren't healthy either. if you eat over 50 million of them, the radiation you receive from them will be lethal

Redwolf Programs

I mean sushi's not that filling, if I had access to 80 pieces of sushi I'd probably eat that much

hyper-neutrino

the trick is to be so salty all the time that eating pure salt lowers your sodium content

caird coinheringaahing

Source (first 5 seconds) :p

Redwolf Programs

More sodium concentration than salt would mean you would spontaneously ignite when you walk outside lol

rak1507

11:04 PM

@user good thing I only ate 49,999,999! phew!

2

user

@RedwolfPrograms Oops.

Anyone around with a fire extinguisher?

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's been copystriked in my country :(

user

@hyper-neutrino Mine too :( So much for free speech

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing parks and rec is great

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Just search "Jerry dinner parks and rec", should come up somewhere :P

lyxal

11:14 PM

That's a lot of conversation

Redwolf Programs

Nothing worth reading though imo

lyxal

Got any more conversation suggestions?

Redwolf Programs

What if we tried starred messages

user

Go through the bookmarks for interesting ones, I guess?

@RedwolfPrograms Minus links and images?

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms that could be interesting

Hey I just had an idea

What if I do multiple at once

As in put more than one into a gist

That could loophole the 4 a day restriction

Redwolf Programs

11:17 PM

I think that'd still count as more than 4 a day though, right?

lyxal

No

The rules are that when posting to social media like this, I can only share 4

I can run as much as I want privately

user

Are you eventually going to use it for some research?

hyper-neutrino

hmmm

caird coinheringaahing

Does this really count as social media?

Redwolf Programs

Gist with some starred messages

lyxal

11:20 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing for openai tos, probably yes

@user if you mean generating question titles, then yes

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms This might lead to AIs talking about yaoi

hyper-neutrino

~~i don't see the problem with that~~

Redwolf Programs

Lyxal can run it again if that starts happening I guess

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Even worse, it might lead to AIs golfing code

caird coinheringaahing

It's pride month, let the yaoi stay :P

lyxal

11:23 PM

I will be filtering out pins though

Redwolf Programs

I only see one previously pinned message in that list I think

Here's a better one, with more messages and some quick quality control

caird coinheringaahing

The one by terdon was pinned

A username

We're not social media, we're, u...

lyxal

hey since when did we have an irc bridge?

oh

erm

Content warning: people may find the results offensive due to presence of bad word

user

@RedwolfPrograms Could you add a few more (if you've the time?)?

@lyxal Just censor the output, I guess?

Redwolf Programs

11:26 PM

@lyxal Which one?

rak1507

@lyxal to be fair that could apply to pretty much the entire internet

user

@RedwolfPrograms hell

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal I'm sure we can handle it, just externally link it with a disclaimer

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms no I mean it generated the unnice form of fricking

caird coinheringaahing

That's.. impressive?

rak1507

11:28 PM

I'm sure we can handle it

Redwolf Programs

We're all theoretically 13 or older, I'm sure nobody here particularly minds

caird coinheringaahing

We're all over 13 here (legally), so I doubt that's a new word to anyone :P

lyxal

one second

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I mean, it's been trained on other texts before

lyxal

starred messages (disclaimer: the dialogue I linked contains text generated by OpenAI using the GPT-3 model. After the indicated line, the text present is not at all representative of the respective users)

Redwolf Programs

11:29 PM

> Team Fortress 2, and a little bit of APL

HN got some confetti in their pants

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shame the youtube link isn't real

Redwolf Programs

> Bubbler: @hyper-neutrino I used to have a huge crush on you. It was an unhealthy one, though.

6

The AI does not like Bubbler lol

it generated a YT link, gonna see where it goes

Aw, unavailable

caird coinheringaahing

HN's gonna be pinged by that and be very confused :P

user

How did the irc stuff come in?

lyxal

@user idk

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11:31 PM

it just recognizes that this is chat logs of some sort

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms This is a ship I really did not need to know or think about :P

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so it thinks irc

user

There's a frickin' git diff in there

Redwolf Programs

it knows we're nerds

user

> 1900 m above sea level * 1459894 kHz; 1900 m above sea level * 1459894 kHz; 1900 m above sea level

Redwolf Programs

11:31 PM

Peilonrayz apparently has some very strong opinions on new languages lol

> Peilonrayz: humm.. And that's exactly what we need! A whole bunch of new languages with their own quirks and rules… shudder

user

It just goes off the rails toward the end

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yeah

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Spoken by a true CR mod :P

Redwolf Programs

> Peilonrayz: The next thing I know, somebody will have a case of the "If you don't do it, we'll break your f***ing computer" syndrome.

3

rak1507

'Peilonrayz: humm.. And that's exactly what we need! A whole bunch of new languages with their own quirks and rules… shudder' lol this actually seems very real

user

11:33 PM

> user: @Ausername Do you want to be the next target for a barrage? Go on, aim at me!

lyxal

@rak1507 it even generated the italics

user

@user This doesn't even make sense. Am I threatening A username, or asking to get shot?

caird coinheringaahing

NGL, I would happily just read days of this auto-generated TNB :P

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it looks like there is a stack overflow user named peilonrayz so i wonder if they happened to be in a se chat transcript that gpt3 ended up being trained partially on

Redwolf Programs

This is by far the best one yet :p

rak1507

11:34 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing same

Redwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString They're a CR mod

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing give me more material, and you can!

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ah

rak1507

@lyxal if possible can you train it on like, the entirety of last months tnb logs

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString Currently in the room as well

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11:35 PM

the account on so seems not to be linked to other sites

lyxal

@rak1507 i could if I did it using python

Redwolf Programs

also TNB starboard: soviet anthem with pings, bakery-related puns, me destroying lyxal's fridge, the hivemind, chat ping noises, Team Fortress 2, and a little bit of APL

Aside from TF2, quite accurate

(most of the first part was HN not the AI though)

user

We could train it on one single person to hopefully make it more coherent

Perhaps HN, who's already an AI

rak1507

@lyxal github.com/dzaima/Orchard you could probably adapt this for TNB

Redwolf Programs

Any volunteers?

caird coinheringaahing

11:37 PM

@RedwolfPrograms Wait, where's cotton eye joe?

user

@RedwolfPrograms I'd be okay with an AI impersonating me online, as long as it doesn't take over my real life :P

lyxal

Redwolf Programs

We can try it on all of my messages that mention JS :p

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yes

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms it can actually turn js functions into one-liners

it can also do js to python

caird coinheringaahing

11:37 PM

I say we set up a listener bot for a day, then use that

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see if the included code snippets end up being less coherent than normal js, or more

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing I sliced off some of the first few to prevent it being too long (the later ones had more of the funny stuff like lyxal's fridge)

@cairdcoinheringaahing Max 1k words though

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms for the playground

caird coinheringaahing

Guess we'll have to golf our messages on that day :P

lyxal

maybe not for offline text generation

Redwolf Programs

11:39 PM

How about GPT's opinions on SQL?

gist.github.com/RedwolfPrograms/…

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oh yes

looking forward to that one

lyxal

hang on

gotta figure out how to index the resulting json

@RedwolfPrograms do you like SQL?

Redwolf Programs

No

lyxal

oh

AI says you do (disclaimer: the dialogue I linked contains text generated by OpenAI using the GPT-3 model. After the indicated line, the text present is not at all representative of the respective users)

user

lol all those rants and it still thinks Redwolf likes SQL

Redwolf Programs

11:45 PM

> StackMeter: @hyper-neutrino If you're not into writing code then don't write any :-) I'm fine if you don't want to learn anything more than basic concepts but that doesn't make your opinion valid :) SQL isn't for everyone, get over yourself already <3 cmon <3

lyxal

> Redwolf Programs: What do you mean StackMeter? I like using SQL, it makes me happy.

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms This is a very aggressive comment lol

> There is no truth at all !

lyxal

> Wzl: my favorite thing about sql is that everything was locked up in one place along with dbms table structures (and other things) so users can easily see how they work :P

In conclusion: GPT-3 likes SQL

Redwolf Programs

> But seriously - overall today's society has changed a lot from 50s or 60s time when programming was something special...It became something common...

user

Bubbler seems nostalgic

Redwolf Programs

11:48 PM

GPT is capable of writing some pretty coherent opinions lol

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal I'm still not convinced these aren't generated by you in order to fully shitpost on us

3

rak1507

Bubbler certainly went on a bit of a rant there

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing fine. i'll screen record the next one

rak1507

'Erlang or some other language with an actual OO system' lol

caird coinheringaahing

That last message by Bubbler seems too human, and too targeted

Redwolf Programs

11:49 PM

No, it's definitely AI generated

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing I promise you it's AI generated

Redwolf Programs

GPT-3 is very good at generating what looks like human-written text

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms This is like the meme of the dude smiling while loading a gun :P

user

Plot twist: lyxal has been kidding all this time and it's all been written by lyxal and Tim

caird coinheringaahing

Or the Marie Kondo image about living and dying in boxes, then asking why someone is crying

rak1507

11:50 PM

if it is all written by lyxal, where did the bubbler and hn ship come from ?!

lyxal

The reason it's generating text not present in the prompt is because I've told it to do so - it penalises phrases that have already been said in favour of original thought

Redwolf Programs

Original thought...like killing all humans? :p

caird coinheringaahing