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11:00
@tchrist ah good, now I can delete it.
It was already deleted.
I mean the text.
@MattЭллен Seriously?
We wipe out the text, too, so 10k users don't get to see rubbish.
@tchrist yes
11:03
Speaking of rubbish,
WTF.
Which thing are you WTFing?
That it asks, or that it’s broken?
Three things, actually. 1) I'm deleting spam, 2) I have mod privileges, 3) Just look at it.
I got on the other day where the second word was spliced in half with the top and bottom in the wrong places and only 1/8th vsible
Yes, I know it is broken.
I wonder which event trigger you overstepped.
11:05
I got away with not putting in a second word. so, not too broken
mimi numinum niuium minimi munium nimium uini muniminum imminui uiui minimum uolunt
The top word looks like part of the old can't-read-it phrase from Textualis Blackletter faces/hands.
“the smallest mimes of the gods of snow do not wish at all in their life that the great duty of the defences of the wine be diminished”
@MattЭллен How far are you along in The Lord of the Rings?
@MattЭллен I think you only have to put in one now.
@tchrist chapter eleven of the fellowship
Oh, very good then.
It’s tougher going at the very beginning for some people.
The vocabulary is . . . broadening for nearly any reader.
I remember starting to read it a few years ago, but I couldn't keep going. I think there were other books I wanted to read more or something
There are about 5,000 hapax legomena in there.
11:12
About 5,000 hapax legomena. And womena.
which one is Tom Bombadil?
That one.
See?
Matt, what part of Britain are you in?
11:14
The Great part, of course.
Well, that's close to home for Tolkien, isn't it now?
Do you know what an eyot is without looking it up?
@tchrist Yeah. I figured I should read the books, lest they chuck me out
@tchrist no
It was one of the words reviewers complained about.
sounds like some amount of something
11:15
BTW, I just got this in the mail.
That night they camped on a small eyot close to the western bank.
A long whitish hand could be dimly seen as it shot out and grabbed the gunwale; two pale lamplike eyes shone coldly as they peered inside, and then they lifted and gazed up at Frodo on the eyot.
Still there are dangerous places even before we come there: rocks and stony eyots in the stream.
There were three lines of flat stepping-stones across the stream, and between them fords for horses, that went from either brink to a bare eyot in the midst.
Does context suffice?
You can look it up now, if you’d like. It’s a small river island. The etymology is interesting.
oh, well now I've looked it up, so yes!
Hallo.
Tolkien’s exasperated retort about the dig against his eyots was basically “WTF am I supposed to call them? That’s what they are.”
Nice doggy.
11:17
The word looked vaguely familiar.
I would have said hillock before your 'context'.
Etymology: OE. íʒʒað, íʒeoð was perh. a dim. of íeʒ, íʒ, island (though the ordinary power of -að was to make abstr. nouns, as in huntað hunting).
The subsequent phonetic history is obscure: the normal descendant of íʒʒað would be ieth (cf. flieth); the vowel of ME. eyt might arise from an OE. variant éʒað, as in éʒ isle for íʒ (cf. also ONor. eið ‘peninsula,’ in Shetland eid ‘a tongue of land’); but the t is unexplained; the later -et, and mod. -ot, are artificial spellings after islet (MFr. islette) and mod.Fr. îlot.
An islet or small isle; especially one in a river, as the aits or eyots of the Thames.
I actually think it was mentioned before in this room.
They ait spelling is homophonous with ate, the past of eat. In some dialects.
REALLY??
searches for the search thingie
So homophonous to at?
Jul 4 '11 at 21:17, by Vitaly
come to think of it, ait is another spelling for eyot
11:21
Can’t find it here
Ah!
The search function just sucks.
Wait. How are the search results ordered? It’s there.
By irrelevancy.
They are ordered by blindness of the viewer, in descending order.
Vitaly knew that ait was another spelling of eyot? And he’s Russian??
11:23
Well, you don't lose your citizenship just for knowing things.
I wonder whether there’s an Icelandic cognate. There usually is if it was in Old Norse.
He probably saw it in the OED.
And he never unsaw what he had sawn.
What, just wandering about its pages on a leisurely stroll?
Dutch probably has all sorts of islandish word starting with ei-.
11:25
“probably”?
@tchrist can't promise that that's what happened on that particular occasion, but in general, yes.
I believe are various places with something like ei in them.
Related to island or somesuch.
Oh. Toponyms often retain vestiges of the ancient tongues of the land.
*there are
Think of all the Guadal- toponyms in Spain, from Arabic for river.
Damn it, I can’t find my “match an English-language word” regex.
Hate recreating the bloody thing.
You have to account for hyphens and apostrophes.
Yes, very nice.
The greatest recuerdo de la Alhambra would be the one that gave rise to the Último Suspiro del Moro.
More to the point, she's still Al, not La.
lying in bed listening to someone playing the grand piano in the hall downstairs
Well, la Al, to be precise.
Well, yes.
Spanish always joins the al- particle from Arabic.
So does English.
11:35
I might be barbarian enough to say 'the Alhambra'.
And why does my phone get so hot?
It’s not barbarous provided you pronounce the with a long-e not a schwa.
Mar 3 at 0:41, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
Well nothing beats that aubergine-baklazhan-brinjal chaos.
Hm, albatross doesn’t appear to be one of them. It’s more related to albus, and they don’t know whether English or Dutch is to blame.
I blame Jessica Alba.
*be enough of a barbarian
11:38
Ok, I disbelieve the OED2.
A schwa? Why would anybody do that?
Or rather, the RAE disbelieves.
@Cerberus Kids these days.
Sounds bad.
Who's RAE?
The RAE doesn’t know where alcatraz comes from, but they posit: Quizá del ár. hisp. *qaṭrás.
@Cerberus it's okay, as long as you don't go for "the la Alhambra".
11:39
RAE is the Royal Spanish Academy.
Real Academia Española
Oh, because it should be el, right? Right?
Oh that RAE.
It is annoying that I can't properly reply or see what you are relying to.
No, it is only el when the word begins with a STRESSED “a”.
el alma blanca, la pura alma.
el águila blanca, la gran águila
Kidding.
Aug 10 at 14:26, by RegDwight АΑA
!Gusano mucho granda!
I know nothing about Spanish.
11:44
No article works, too.
Se nota.
Tolkien liked Spanish much more than French.
He liked its phonoæsthetics.
No article? Would you have Wikipedia ruined?
It sounded nice to him.
I like them both, though French sounds much more elegant to me.
Plus the nasty suffixes sound nasty, and the nicey suffixes sound nicey.
Bad: -aco, -ajo.
Nice: -ino.
11:46
I know Tolkien was always a bit black and white...
He liked to see form represent content, and it be good or evil.
Remember that that -ajo is -aχo in IPA. A Dutchman should be able to handle that one.
Feb 8 '11 at 12:23, by RegDwight
"The surname Tolkien is said to come from the German word tollkühn ('foolhardy'). German writers have suggested that in reality the name is more likely to derive from the village Tolkynen in Rastenburg in East Prussia (after WWII Tołkiny, Poland)."
Reg, does Russian have /χ/ ?
I think that's the only h it has.
The Mexicans turn /χ/ into /h/, yes.
11:49
I don't believe we have chi, only x, except in the south--but those people don't count.
> Kha is the twenty-second letter of the Russian alphabet. It represents the consonant /x/ unless it is before a palatalizing vowel when it represents /xʲ/.
@Cerberus If form always represented content, then Frodo would have sent Strider off without him when they first met.
Serbian has /h/.
Yes, yes, I knew you would bring up the grey guys.
> ‘I believed that you were a friend before the letter came,’ he said, ‘or at least I wished to. You have frightened me several times tonight, but never in the way that servants of the Enemy would, or so I imagine. I think one of his spies would – well, seem fairer and feel fouler, if you understand.’
11:53
But any time form doesn't appear to match content, it's a big event, and eventually content will always shine through.
Remember too that the Grey Company were the Rangers of the North who along with the sons of Elrond accompany Aragorn beneath the Dwimmorberg.
So χ is uvular while x is velar. TIL
TIL?
Yes. I never cared that much to find out.
Form matching content is the default state, one that one has to actively hide.
11:55
You can get both in the same word. The Asturian port city of Gijón has both.
That makes me choke.
They’re allophones, not phonemic.
Good day everyone.
It makes everyone choke.
Hello, Alain.
11:56
I almost said Aló Alain.
@tchrist Whicheck 'grey guys' did you think I meant?
I'm afraid I have to catch up with like 6 months of chat backlog ;-)
*which
@Cerberus The Sindar, of course.
Alain Delon, Alain Delon drinks no eau de Cologne.
11:57
Köln.
elven facepalm
Hey Alain!!
@tchrist that's not how the song goes.
Vivent Dalida et Alain!
Or Mithrandir.
The Pilgrim Grey.
Haha, .dir?
12:00
He who studied under Nienna.
Was that a Vala?
Hello @Cerberus. @RegDwightАΑA Long time no read. Sorry.
The .dir was Safari grabbing focus while I was typing in another window.
No, Gandalf was a Maia.
Nienna was a Vala.
Who did you think I wouldn't remember, M or N?
I can see the Incomprehensible Room is as alive as ever.
12:02
Everyone knows M.
@AlainPannetier Yes we even have some tchrists right here representing Fresh Blood™.
and even harder to follow...
@Alain Bubblebrook and zippety-doo.
That's because them's both on mobile, methinks, so they don't use gray arrows.
Only because I’m still waking up. It’ll get worse later.
12:03
Yes. I can see perl gets you to many topics. I thought it was just about string camelisation
@tchrist Indeed it will. We're only four people now. In a couple hours we'll be 24.
Slackers.
It is time for me to descend towards the kitchen, where breakfast awaits.
I have a 6:30am $job call with the subcontinentals. Blech me harder.
Would that there were breakfast awaiting me, prepared in the night by the house-fairies.
Descend?
I thought you only had grand pianos downstairs.
12:05
Good luck with your variable job!
His chthonic cooking is beneath him.
I have everything downstairs here. And my bedroom isn't even in the tower.
Mmmmmh. Gin and chthonic.
I think mediocrity is OK, generally speaking. Take it away and mediocre people have nothing.
ochre meat
12:06
I must bid y'all farewell now.
The world is getting more and more OK (and okay) as we speak.
@Robusto Retro me, Satanas!
@Cerberus how much do you bid?
@tchrist Thou art retro. fires retro rockets at tchrist
12:07
@ref Farewell.
We must away, ere break of day.
@Robusto it's worse than that.
@Cerberus How about good-bye? Are you leaving forever?
So good bye.
12:08
Farewell.
So long forever.
Goodbye my Coney Island
Goodbye my Coney Island babe!
Yellow Brick Road.
Things are bad, but they could be worse.
@Rob 'Tmay be a long time. Later!
Rimnoddy morning to you too Rob.
@Cerberus Wait, what?
12:09
Rim is a telecommunication company. And it's noddy.
I thought you were the explainer?
Yes. EXplainer. Simple past.
Wrong link click. Happens.
A former plainer. Hmm.
Be vewy quiet. We’we hunting Wabbits.
Biggus Dickus.
12:11
cackles
But where is our Hellhound going? Feierabend? And for how long?
Froestoek or whatever they misspell it in Dutchland.
@Robusto Carcharoth repairs now to Angband, whence he came and whither he must ever return.
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Q: Developments or Development

YogaShould developments be countable? Some web site use developments e.g. http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/ While some web site use development e.g. http://www.un.org/en/development/

Seriously, we are asking about URLs now?
One every minute born there is.
12:17
@RegDwightАΑA I've seen some URL spell google and some spell bing, which is correct?
@MattЭллен NS is always manichean.
@MattЭллен Lycos.
@RegDwightАΑA but our dog has just gone away!
You could have cuiled for it, you know.
Halta la vista, baby.
you just had to ask
12:20
The sun is six minutes risen.
Hay caramba?
Ésa no la hay.
Jez
Jez
looks like the UK might be about to breach diplomatic immunity to satisfy its pimp, the US.
¡Qué lástima!
Jez
Jez
god i hate our government.
12:21
Ésa always tell trufe.
“our”?
Jez
Jez
the UK
zapatos bien jamón
@Jez Did you vote them into power, or did you vote for the opposition?
My computer just gave me a surprise reboot. thanks folks.
¡Coño, no tengo huevos!
@Robusto That was a sunrise reboot. I was saluting his risen majesty.
12:24
@tchrist ha, my wife always had to laugh about huevos last time we were in Spain.
It's very similar to a Russian word that translates, to put it in the most polite way possible, to "fucking retarded".
Jez
Jez
@tchrist I voted for the Lib Dems, whom I doubt have much say in this stuff. The Home Office is run by the Tories.
@Jez I agree that this is a major problem.
@RegDwightАΑA Aye, I could have been expressing a lack of testicular fortitude. That was the point. Especially ironic due to the proximity of a vocative coño.
Hmm, why did this suddenly get a downvote?
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A: Singular or plural verb form where subject includes a "parenthetical" element

RobustoNot all parenthetical expressions need to be set off by parentheses (or commas, or what have you). It can be argued that title is the subject of that sentence, and the entire reference to tone is ancillary to it. Moreover, "as well as" doesn't perform quite the same function as the conjunction an...

But really, it’s a breakfast problem. Where are the house-fairies when you need them?
I even got FF's seal of approval.
12:31
Huevos generally means balls. They have the whole egg–sperm thing confused.
No man would dare utter No tengo huevos. :)
Yo la tengo.
@tchrist the house fairies are only active at night. There has been sunrise already. Use Perl to add 2 and 2.
@Jez If the so called "Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act" is invoked in this particular case, then that means in effect that Political Asylum cannot be granted by any embassy located in the UK without the UK's approval.
Don't people uploading YouTube videos understand how to interleave video and audio? I mean, this is a serious issue.
Jez
Jez
12:38
@AlainPannetier yeah it's bloody ridiculous. why doesn't our government just officially become the 51st state already?
% perl -le 'print 2 & 2'
2
Jez
Jez
and admit that they masturbate nightly to pictures of a boot stomping on a human face, forever
@Robusto Why, are you peeing?
Wow Tom Christiansen doesn't know how to add. BRB informing Fox News.
Oh, add. I thought you said and.
Must be your accent.
12:40
You might wish to see an ornithologist about it.
I have wrens and hummers this morning. I am ornithologically gifted.
Whacha think, I said "use Perl to 2 and 2"? Accidentally the whole verb?
That's Cerberus'ae's domain.
12:41
@Jez, Well actually, they won't extradite Ryan Cleary. That's a progress over Blair's time.
@MattЭллен your nose. I'm worried.
Second declension genitive singular of -us is -i.
@RegDwightАΑA I have hay fever
-ae is first declension.
So you have no idea how to build plurals, either. BRB informing The Sun.
12:42
The domain of Cerberorum? How many Cerberusses are there?
@MattЭллен well you know what the only prescription is.
@RegDwightАΑA rubbing my face in hay?
@tchrist I'd tell you but you are not very good with numbers anyway.
Serbs or Russes, it makes no difference.
Jez
Jez
@AlainPannetier what about the kid who created a website with some links to pirated material that those FACT pricks celebrated the 4 year sentence of?
12:44
Four years, that's harsh.
Especially seeing how there are people who don't get four years for rape and murder.
Jez
Jez
it indicates the 100% capture of the US government and judicial system by the entertainment industry
fix your government, Americans.
it needs a total overhaul. it's a mess.
@RegDwightАΑA Rapists often get life sentences.
That's the thing I find completely unacceptable. Judges and lawmakers don't seem to get the difference between a link and the linked-to thing.
3
Jez is on a roll again.
That amounts to censorship.
12:46
Through vigilante justice prisonside.
a tootsie roll?
Jez
Jez
@AlainPannetier or worse, they do.
They won’t live out their four-year terms.
That's conscious censorship then. Can't that be pleaded somewhere?
@tchrist if people have to fix the legal system using such drastic measures, certainly the legal system needs fixed.
12:48
Why didn't this get duped?
2
Q: What's the correct plural possessive of "kids"? (e.g. kids books vs children's books)

DJSizzlePuffI know that children's books is correct, but for some reason I want to say kids books, even though I know that it's a plural possessive noun ending in an 's'. A quick search on the web turns up Barnes & Noble: they have a web page title that says "Children's Books, Kids Books". Is the major b...

Cuz he was asking a rather specific question about actual usage.
Because it wants to know why there is a conflict?
Had it been more generic, the hammer would have fallen in no time.
It sure smells localizably related.
One could at least make Related links.
I’ll see what I can do.
Wholly cow it’s almost 30 degrees colder than it was this time yesterday. It was 81 yesterday, it’s like 53 now.
Switch to Réaumur.
Or Celsius, even. In Celsius, 32 equals zero. So 28 degrees colder is less than zero degrees colder if you use Celsius.
@tchrist Yes, of course. Always.
Robusto (artist's impression).
ah, the only famous thing in Belgium
12:54
You forgot fat.
Fat fries with fat cheese and fat chocolate. And fat.
And then there's that Ammonium or Brimborium or what's that thing called.
Belgium is famous for Lego?
or is that a time cube?
Funny they would mention Congo. But let's not go there.
OK, fair enough, they made some good comics in Belgium
Asterix and Obstetrix

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