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12:01 AM
@Tsundoku that depends on the question! Some questions turn out to be unexpectedly difficult to answer even though they seem simple. What’s the question? And what does the Snapchat mean?
 
Not Snapchat but Snaphat: "Answer in 30 minutes, +3 and accepted." The question would be about the exact source of Krishna's statement that one should not be concerned about the results of deeds but just about performing them properly.
The source is an allusion in a Tagore novel.
 
12:15 AM
That sounds good. Let’s go for it
ping me here when it’s posted!
 
It's only a matter of minutes now :-)
@verbose It's online now.
 
Taking a look
 
12:39 AM
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Q: What are the lines in the Bhagavad Gita that Sandip is alluding to?

TsundokuRabindranath Tagore's novel 1916 novel The Home and the World consists of chapters told from the point of view of varying characters. One of these is Sandip, who is a militant nationalist and an active participant in the Swadeshi movement. In the third chapter, which is narrated from Sandip's poi...

 
And we have four new tags for @Prince Tagdooku.
 
@Tsundoku Answered. I intend to go back and expand on it a bit, but I have something else to take care of rn, so this will do in the meantime.
also, we should synonymies with , since the former is just a small part of the latter. Unless we have separate tags for things like or or even versus or instead of just one big tag?
 
@verbose OK, thanks. Just one more upvote and an accept, and the Snaphat will be yours :-)
@verbose We don't have yet, but that can be taken care of.
You can also fix a typo at the end of my question, which helps for one of the badges ;-) (summuries)
 
@Tsundoku fixed
Does the third upvote need to be within half an hour? It seems unlikely to happen. I mean generally, not just for this answer.
 
12:54 AM
No, just the answer, not the votes, as far as I know.
 
Close reading of the meta post suggests that you are correct in that interpretation.
 
1:35 AM
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Q: How do we deal with tags in composite works such as the Bible?

verboseA recent question from Tsundoku about the Bhagavad Geeta led me to think about how we tag works whose component parts themselves can be regarded as independent works. The Bhagavad Geeta is a small part of a much longer work, the Mahabharata. It is easily the best known part of that epic, as in pr...

 
1:47 AM
@Librarian I'm not after the soapbox hat, I really have that question!
 
2:20 AM
@verbose Of course you have that question! :-)
 
3:08 AM
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Q: Pathos example in epic

user11711I'm looking for an example from epic literature (but willing to accept answers from outside that genre) about the following personality type. In particular, I'm looking for an example of a warrior who doesn't rejoice over his defeated foe nor drag him around the city walls. But instead says somet...

 
3:45 AM
How pleasant to know Mr. Bose.
He writes such an excellent prose.
't Would have been a good thing
if he also could sing,
but he doesn't, he just sticks to prose.
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(Just came up with this while washing the dishes. I'm off to bed now!)
 
 
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6:46 AM
@Bookworm @Tsundoku I've expanded that answer. Enjoy!
@Tsundoku haha, that's really funny and I'm flattered. (Also, I do take singing lessons, but I'm lousy. I take lessons only because it helps me understand/appreciate music better. I have no aspirations to ever perform. So yeah, I totes agree it would be great if I could actually sing!)
It's good that if you associate me with a Lear, it's Edward rather than the King 😬
 
 
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8:51 AM
@Tsundoku I care so little about hats this year that I haven't even got the easy one for "wearing any hat on your profile" :-)
@Tsundoku Just seeking a new hat is no excuse for, er, providing great new content to the site :-P
Now the question is HNQ and @Gallifreyan has dropped to 9th place in the rep leagues.
 
9:25 AM
Btw how is Bose pronounced, @verbose? Does it actually rhyme with prose or with verbose? I don't know anyone with that name IRL to have heard it spoken.
@Bookworm "Here lies the noblest Roman of them all"? Still a recommendation question though IMO.
 
9:40 AM
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Q: "Message as of life or death" - what does "as of" mean here?

JohnVIn the following sentence, I understand everything but the "as of" part: It was the awareness that some speeding messenger from spaces far, far beyond the world would presently stand close and touch me, would gaze into my little human eyes, would leave its message as of life or death, and then d...

 
@Randal'Thor I usually say “rhymes with gross 🤢 , not with rose 🌹 “
 
10:02 AM
@verbose Ah.
 
10:16 AM
@Randal'Thor Yeah, I agree. I tried rewording it but there just doesn't seem to be a way.
@Randal'Thor except he wasn't seeking the new hat? He was giving me the opportunity to get one. As I recall he did the same with @bobble yesterday. What a sweet chap.
 
@verbose My whole comment was tongue-in-cheek, not a real criticism at all.
There are some people who do weird abusive stuff to get hats, but if hatmas motivates people to provide great Q&A, that's a win-win-win.
@verbose Want to get the ball rolling with a close vote? Or a "not an answer" flag on the recent Baker Street answer, for that matter. I've actually raised a NAA flag on the latter myself to put it in the review queue, but for questions there's nothing I can do as a mod to put it for community review, the unilateral closehammer is the only tool I have.
 
@Randal'Thor Slowly sinking into oblivion
 
@Randal'Thor I wonder.... literature.stackexchange.com/q/16931/139 "a hero saluting his fallen adversary and regretting the need to vanquish him?" might be the kind of recommendation question that we can keep.
So no, I don't think I'll vote to close it.
 
^ see, that's why I don't like to closehammer right away, in case someone feels it shouldn't be closed after all :-)
 
10:31 AM
I know that there are really stupid recommendation questions too, and I know that's why we have a policy, and that if we keep some, we might have a harder time dealing with those, so I'm not sure.
But I think we can just downvote the bad ones.
I don't know what we should do really.
 
@b_jonas What about this question makes it better than other recommendation questions?
 
I guess we could close it but point him to ask somewhere else where they'll get an answer.
 
The cases where I'd be on the fence if the question were somehow clearly scoped, e.g. asking for "recommendations" for resources relating to a specific author or series.
 
@Randal'Thor Oh sure, those are easier.
 
But asking for instances of a specific type of character in literature seems equally broad/open-ended as asking for stories featuring any other specific trope.
 
10:34 AM
@Randal'Thor To answer that, I'll have to look at closed recommendation questions to remind myself of the stuff people post... let me see if there are any that aren't deleted.
@Randal'Thor Oh, so you say just close it and point it to TvTropes in a comment? That might work too.
I do that sometimes.
 
@b_jonas There's a meta post listing potential other places to ask online.
Do you have enough rep here (2k, I think) to see deleted posts? If so, I can link you to some recommendation questions that are deleted (since most/all of them are).
 
@Randal'Thor It's probably just a bias because I like that sorts of epic poetry that they're looking for.
@Randal'Thor Oh, thanks for pointing that out, I should answer that. I know I've answered a similar meta post on Sci Fi about non-scifi identification questions.
 
Oh, does Mythology & Folklore accept recommendation questions? I guess not, but if it does, we might be able to migrate this question.
 
@Randal'Thor No, but the non-deleted ones are probably better anyway, so that's what I should compare to. I'm just not sure how to search for questions that were closed specifically because they're recommendation.
 
If you search for the most recent closed questions, several of them are recommendation questions.
It's probably the most common reason we close stuff here. Recommendations are usually roombaed, so older closed questions would be more likely to be closed for other reasons, but among the newer ones you'll still find recommendation questions too new to be roombaed.
 
10:42 AM
@Randal'Thor @Gallifreyan beat me to the Baker Street question. The epic question might work fine, so I don't want to close it either. The reason I commented on and then edited it was because I want to rescue it from being closed.
 
10:59 AM
@Randal'Thor True.
 
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Q: When Hassan was around, ‘the oxygen seeped out of the room.’ What is happening here?

Sumehra TazreenI am looking for an explanation as to what the phrase "oxygen seeped out of the room" means, in The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini. For example, I can write that it means, "Amir was uncomfortable" but what i need is a slightly more elaborate explanation.

 
So let's see. literature.stackexchange.com/q/16493/139 "https://literature.stackexchange.com/q/16493/139" seems like a lazy question, plus I think the author posted a second copy after the first one got closed, and I don't like those kinds of posters, so screw them. literature.stackexchange.com/q/16904/139 "Single-volume work that gives an overview of history as it relates to literary works" is an acceptible one that could be kept I think.
literature.stackexchange.com/q/15922/139 "Examples of Zeus's Immoral Nature" is a bit broad, because most of what Zeus does would qualify. Greek mythology gods just aren't bound by human morality in first place. literature.stackexchange.com/q/15599/139 "African-American Vernacular English dictionary" looks like it could be kept open: the question may be misguided and there need be no such work, but if so, answers can just explain that.
literature.stackexchange.com/q/15419/139 "fanfictions written because an author disagreed with the original?" is way too broad.
literature.stackexchange.com/q/14750/139 "Classics published in [their various original languages]" I just don't like this one, sorry. "https://literature.stackexchange.com/q/12243/139" "material on social change" is too broad I think.
So yes, this new question about hero praising their opponent isn't clearly better than the others that we close but don't delete.
And it might indeed be too broad too.
We should direct OP to chat though. My favorite example for such a hero is probably the giant from Prince Ricardo of Pantouflia by Andrew Lang.
Well, he's not technically the hero, he's the opponent.
Project Gutenberg has full text: gutenberg.org/ebooks/21994
Ok, that's not technically an example to the question as asked.
Unrelated. I want to ask you chat a sci fi question.
In the very first Captain Pirx story by Stanisław Lem (it's about the young Pirx taking a crucial practical exam in astronaut school), do you find that the ending has impossible future sci-fi technology that is disparate with the rest of the Pirx stories (and this story too), in that it makes you feel like, "if they have technology to do that, why do they need all the rest of what happens in these stories"?
I have that gripe, even though I very much enjoy all the Pirx stories, including that first one.
 
12:26 PM
@b_jonas Now I'm sad I didn't get to read the other Pirx stories, save for that first one
 
@Gallifreyan Read all ten, they're all good!
All ten short stories I mean, not Fiasco.
 
I'll do my best
I'll see if there's a library nearby that has them in English
 
12:55 PM
@Tsundoku Nominated. Thanks to you and @Tsundoku for mentioning my Tagore answers too!
 
@Gallifreyan There aren't any libraries open now. :(
 
There are here
 
Although it's possible that some of them will partly reopen in January. That's good.
 
@Tsundoku What is the character limit for answers? I've been working on an answer to @Randal'Thor's question on the Ur-Hamlet; the Google doc is 7 pages long so far, and counting. Your question about The Faerie Queene will also need an equally long answer, if I ever work up the courage to tackle it. 
 
@verbose I think you can go up to 64 kilobytes of source, but I'm not sure. I think it changed at least once. If your answer is too long, you can split into too – but that seems to be necessary only with very few answers, because the limit is long enough.
 
1:06 PM
@verbose I believe it's still 30k characters, as per meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13784/…
If you really have to go over the limit, why not put the original answer as a blog post somewhere and summarise it here?
 
@Gallifreyan I was considering asking and self-answering a series of questions (Who first postulated an Ur-Hamlet? Why is the Ur-Hamlet attributed to Thomas Kyd?, etc.) and just providing an answer to Randolph's original question in the form of links to those questions with a frame narrative.
@b_jonas Thanks!
Right now I'm at 14,560 chars and I'm about two-thirds of the way done, so I'll probably be good.
@Randal'Thor I think @Gallifreyan, @spagirl, and I will be trading off for seventh, eighth, and ninth place for a while. I remember when @Tsundoku and @GarethRees were within ten points of each other for weeks.
@Randal'Thor I just realized I meant to reply to this but somehow tagged a different message from @Tsundoku instead. Sorry, Christophe! Anyway, thanks, both you guys, for mentioning my Tagore answers, and I've added shoover's Eliot/pandemic answer.
 
2:10 PM
@verbose I remember when Gareth Rees was 70 questions ahead of me, around the time of the moderator election.
 
2:25 PM
@verbose That 30k character limit mentioned on Meta SE is still in force, 11 years later. I ran into it while editing this answer. CC @Gallifreyan
 
2:42 PM
I have just written up a limerick for the end of Winter Bash on 3/4 January, all without washing dishes. That's progress.
 
 
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4:54 PM
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Q: Did "equator" have a different meaning from its common one in old English literature?

Ahmed SamirIn "In the Midst of Alarms" (1894) by Robert Barr, the author is describing a man who was trying to make a friendly conversation with a rural young woman: “Yes,” Yates laughed uneasily. He had manifestly missed fire. “I notice by your tone that you evidently think my equipment meager. You should...

 
 
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7:57 PM
@verbose now redirects to . CC @Randal'Thor
 
 
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9:55 PM
@Tsundoku I ran into the post length limit in scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/q/10266/4918 .
 

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