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12:06 AM
@oAlt Isn't it [tag:test]?
Like
 
12:48 AM
@NorthLæraðr indeed
i see you puzzlers have been discussing a conspiracy theory
 
1:19 AM
a conspiracy theory that clearly has absolutely no evidence for it
 
Avi
2:00 AM
a conspiracy theory that clearly has absolutely no evidence for it
... oops, wrong account
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@GarethMcCaughan had to look this up to disprove its existence
 
@NorthLæraðr yeah, I didn't know about that beforehand :((
 
[tag:second test]
 
uh
Oh, it should be [tag:second-test]
no space in the tag
 
I forgot again reeEeEe
 
2:13 AM
My experience as the tag-dooku of Lit SE is becoming useful
 
hahaha
 
 
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3:26 AM
I threw out most of my crossword because the words weren't good enough.. cries
 
yep, I know that feeling
I've been working on a set of puzzles, and one of my first attempts had OLEG, ILLUSE, and UNPEG. a different one had HVACR
 
All my entries were legal, but the Something Different ones were (I think) not funny enough
 
ah, makes sense
Something Different crosswords usually have a lot more open space, so they're still a pretty significant construction challenge
 
I did keep 2 really good ones, so I have those + the 5 that are part of the theme
 
 
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5:01 AM
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Q: How can the white cross be cut into 5 smaller pieces that can be resembled into the two smaller red crosses shown?

rash How can the white cross be cut into 5 smaller pieces that can be resembled into the two smaller red crosses shown? Puzzle created by Henry Dudeney on The Strand Newspaper long time ago. Source: Saw this in this video time:(2.15)

 
CCCC hint: the first letter is O
 
 
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7:04 AM
@Avi People ask me this every now and then :-P
Nov 22 '16 at 18:22, by Rand al'Thor
@LukasRotter Short version: after a big surge in low-quality puzzles, the then mods decided to ban posting puzzles as challenges altogether, making the site only for questions about puzzling. A significant proportion of the community rose up in protest against this, and the whole site was in total uproar for a couple of months, even after the CMs weighed in and the mods backed down.
 
7:33 AM
because of course solving puzzles can be made into a controversial topic
are any of the mods of the time still active here?
 
8:31 AM
Doorknob is semi active
 
 
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9:47 AM
one post in two years probably falls short of "semi" :P
 
10:14 AM
@jafe He or she was last seen 10 hours ago, according to his or her PSE profile page. So -- not active, but at least present.
 
10:47 AM
yeah true
 
11:13 AM
liked your crossword btw, @msh210
i imagine the grid must have taken a few tries to pull off
 
11:30 AM
@jafe Thanks. There are things about it I don't like, but I don't know how to fix, which is why I posted it as is. Specifically, there are some rare words in there (as answers, not in clues).
@jafe Yes.
(I mean, I managed to improve it somewhat w.r.t. rare words, but hit an impasse.)
(The presence of rare words is also why I used – IMO – fairly easy clues. Had I managed to make the crossword with only normal words in it, I'd probably have used some harder clues. So, all in all, I'm actually not that happy about the puzzle.)
 
11:47 AM
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Q: Ernest does not know the color of his hat

RetudinPreviously I tried to make a very difficult hat color deduction puzzle: Unseen prisoners figuring out their hats It seems to be too hard for the interested, since I did not get a complete solution. The central part of the logic was that the statement "Ernest does not know the color of his hat" to...

 
 
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12:59 PM
@bobble Now, there's an idea... That one should be possible. If wanting to set one up to solve concurrently (e.g. like recent @JeremyDover puzzles), it might need to be quite large to introduce some kind of ambiguity into the LITS, as they tend to be so compact that ambiguity is virtually impossible... One to file away for the future there, I think...
 
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Q: Cryptic Family Reunion: I've got a fever!

Jeremy DoverThe answer to this puzzle is a list of ten thematically related words or proper names or phrases. Each of these is clued cryptically, and the theme is to be determined. Since the definition part of a cryptic clue would give away the theme, these cryptic clues use a family member (e.g., mom, siste...

 
@Stiv I'll admit, my first thought on seeing the Aquariums was to come up with a natural hybrid for simultaneous solvability as well...it's been a bit of a theme for me lately, but hopefully there will soon come to fruition a good reason for it.
 
1:28 PM
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Q: Ernest does not know the color of his hat (2)

RetudinThe previous version indeed proved simple; now a medium one (I think) The (same) premise: A number of people stands on a line playing a hat guessing game they may not move during the game, they can only look straight ahead (each person in a direction along the line, i.e. right or left depending ...

 
2:08 PM
@NorthLæraðr just to clear this up: I like Spanish as a language but not as a class.
 
2:19 PM
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Q: What is a First Word™?

KeelhaulThis is in the spirit of the What is a Word/Phrase™ series started by JLee with a special brand of Phrase™ and Word™ puzzles. If a word conforms to a special rule, I call it a First Word™. Use the examples below to find the rule. $$ % \def\Pad{\P{0.0}} \def\Title{\textbf{ First }} % \def\S#1#2{...

 
2:46 PM
@Stiv two thoughts for how to combine them: make a LITS-shaded cell count x2 for Aquariums row/col clues, or don't allow overlap in shading
 
if anyone's planning to make an Aquarium puzzle, you don't have to clue all of the rows/columns! you can force more interesting logic if you gradually add clues instead of making everything clued
 
3:05 PM
@Deusovi Seconded. I really just wanted to bring this interesting puzzle type into the PSE fray with last night's puzzle (I couldn't find a trace of it on here), but there are many interesting directions it could be taken from here :) It can get fiendishly difficult!
 
3:32 PM
@Randal'Thor in other words, the community got REVENGE ON THE MODS
 
@matt No....
 
@NorthLæraðr close enough
 
North, since you're a tree, do birds ever make nests in you?
 
also i am making one of those cliche unit converters in repl.it
 
@bobble Oh, I welcome it. It's so nice seeing all those cute little chicks
 
3:37 PM
Do they poop in you?
 
With that being said, they're also sometimes brats and make way too much noise when I'm trying to sleep
@bobble Little too much, unfortunately. It's one of the downsides of being a tree
 
how do trees sleep?
 
@bobble they don't
 
@matt Says who
 
@NorthLæraðr double meaning there ... hmm
@NorthLæraðr the local textbook
 
3:39 PM
@bobble We like stop actively photosynthesizing. It's a lot of biology and fancy science stuff that's uh too complicated to explain to a mere human
@matt STOP NO
 
@NorthLæraðr try me
 
@matt Sorry, the process is too complex for what a human would understand
 
are we sure that matt is a human?
 
try me
 
@bobble Fair point.
 
3:42 PM
i've had several people question whether i was a human
i can confirm that i possess a human body though so everything should be fine
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@Deusovi you do have at least 42 brains
 
@Deusovi Who's body did you steal?
 
i am insulted that you would call me a thief
 
@Deusovi Well, Mr. Cyborg thief, you didn't answer you question
@matt Fine. When the sun goes away, trees technically stop photosynthesizing, because the ambient light from the moon or surrounding area doesn't provide enough energy. Photosynthesis stops. However, most plants still undergo respiration, so there is a net release of oxygen.
 
@NorthLæraðr makes perfect sense to me
checks to see if the cccc has been solved nope
you have some work to do then @Deusovi
hey jafe!
 
3:47 PM
hi
 
hi
 
all aboard the "hi" train
look at that... 2222 starred messages
 
@matt That's because I simplified the process
 
@NorthLæraðr how about the un-simplified version?
 
@matt I'm in choir class, so I don't have time
 
3:52 PM
ah ok
 
choir? over internet? how about lag?
 
@bobble I'm in person hybrid
 
ah
 
But we're not allowed to sing in person XD
We don't all sing at once
 
My school has a Sculpture class that is full-remote. Not sure how that's going
 
3:54 PM
@bobble i doubt it is going very well
 
I use rot13.com to take notes because it's a nice simple text box with no adds
My notes look really weird in the bottom box, though :)
 
@bobble rot13.com doesn't save though
 
I copy over to a notebook later
But I don't have a flat surface to write on in my online-school hidey-hole
 
4:10 PM
"hidey-hole"?
 
There are 4 people in my house who have online meetings. We scatter everywhere to avoid hearing each other.
 
hello!
 
hello!
 
@bobble oof
 
can I pose a puzzle here too?
 
4:13 PM
@Anush don't think i've seen you here before
 
Carl-Friedrich has a list of the numbers 1, 2, 3,...,100 and he wants to add them up. But he has only learned to add two decimal numbers at a time. So he plans to repeat the procedure "pick two numbers from the list, cross them off and append their sum to the list", until there is only one number left in the list, which will be the desired sum. Carl-Friedrich hates carries. Which scheme of pairwise additions minimises the number of carries that he will have to do?
is it famous?
 
sure, but it'll get less attention
oh you just posted it
 
:)
 
5050.
1+100=101, 2+99=101, repeat that until 50+51=101
so now you have 101 written down 50 times
and 101*50=5050
 
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Q: Divide Coins in boxes to have all change

Mudit Kumar Singh2000 coins to be divided in some boxes such that it is possible to give change for any number asked between 1 to 2000 by combining the boxes. What will be the minimum number of boxes needed? I tried dividing them like 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, ... and 1000, 500, 250, 125, ... What is the optimal wa...

 
4:29 PM
my earbuds are super tangled rn, it sucks
 
@jafe Two of them weren't very active in Q&A even at that time. The third one broke 10k rep here at some point, but sadly deleted their account last year.
 
@Randal'Thor aw
 
@matt that wasn't the question that was asked
 
@matt A lot of the community did have that kind of mindset at the time. It got ugly.
 
@Randal'Thor how ugly exactly?
 
4:40 PM
@matt but are they human brains?
 
very ugly
it's not worth revisiting
(and I say this not having been there for the brunt of it)
 
@Deusovi mustve been pretty ugly then
glad i wasnt there
 
@matt Uglier than I'd like to admit :-P
 
Even the leftover meta comments are... eesh
 
seems like it was not a good time in PSE history :(
 
4:42 PM
'Twas a dark hour, but the site survived and ultimately flourished.
Even though hardly anyone who was around back then is still active.
When I arrived on the site, the four highest-rep users were d'alar'cop, Joe Z, klm123, and Florian F. Some of them aren't even on the front page by rep now.
 
hey ankoganit!
 
Hey @matt
 
I enjoy reading through other sites' metas to learn about their histories. SF&F has some interesting history surrounding chat
 
I'm still here and lurking avidly :P
 
@bobble sci-fi & fantasy?
 
4:44 PM
yes
 
@bobble Oh yeah, that's another big bit of SE drama I was around for.
 
go to their meta's for the full story
And of course, the Monica incident. Nearly every site's meta has some post by a moderator addressing it.
(usually about resigning/suspending activity)
 
yeah, it's probably not worth digging back into all of these incidents
especially not here in chat
 
I'm a bit disappointed that I came too late to catch any drama
 
If you want really ugly drama, go and read some old Mathematics meta stuff.
I won't go into any details, but reading old meta posts there actually made me feel upset even though I didn't witness any of the drama or know any of the people involved.
 
5:02 PM
@bobble You should be glad
Those dramas from a cursory glance did NOT seem great
If you want some mild drama, you should come to Lit SE. It's not that it's drama, but we are still defining our scope stuff
 
I wouldn't call that drama.
 
Okay, yeah it's not drama
 
There was a bit of drama on Lit back in 2017, but nothing like the other things mentioned here.
 
It's a civilized discussion that sometimes gets slightly heated
@Randal'Thor The only reason why I even know a little about the tea from old PSE is because of that 13 star post by Shog9
 
5:26 PM
@matt why does that minimise the number of carries
 
5:42 PM
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Q: My prefix is a part of your head, My infix is the sound of the dead

risky mysteries My prefix is a part of your head My suffix saves a place for you My infix is the sound of the dead My whole is white and also blue

 
6:12 PM
@NorthLæraðr Well, I'd hope it would include drama.
 
ba dum tssh
 
@Anush it does not
@jafe ba dum ch
 
@matt ah ok. Do you think it is hard?
Should I repost it here? People might be interested
 
6:30 PM
Why aren't you posting to main?
 
@bobble I was a little worried it might be famous or a duplicate. I don't use puzzling.se much
 
then use search-fu!
 
@bobble :) I meant a rephrasing of something famous
 
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Q: Two swapped edges

h20I have 4 solved sides and 2 swapped edges. For a visual example: yellow white, green and blue are solved, and the f2l for red and orange is done, as are the corners, but for red there is an orange edge and vice versa. Does anyone know how to fix this?

 
You should still know how to search for the essential bits of it ('specially if you know what those bits are)
Also, please don't ping someone if it's obvious who you're talking to - it's really annoying to get the notification too often
 
6:36 PM
I am getting a go away vibe :)
 
i think carl-friedrich's last name might start with g and contain an ß
 
You can still message, just please don't ping so much. I'll get to it eventually.
 
at least searching for "minimize carries" or "minimise carries" turns up nothing similar on PSE
 
Avi
6:59 PM
sounds like bait for an alphametic, except where the solution is the one that minimizes carries
across all possible solutions to the alphametic
sigh
I have so many puzzle ideas that are hampered by the fact that I can't solve them myself
 
7:59 PM
I don't remember seeing that puzzle, or anything close to equivalent, posted on PSE.
(And it does seem like a reasonable fit for PSE -- I don't think everyone would say "go away and take this to mathematics.SE".)
(sorry, "that puzzle" = Anush's one about minimizing carries when adding up 1+...+100.)
 
@jafe never knew "gauss" has an eszett in it
anyone up for c4 solving?
 
8:21 PM
how could it not have an eszett in it?
 
I've always seen it written as gauss but never gauß
 
oh, sure, in English it's usually written with an ordinary double s.
But isn't a final double-s in German always an eszett? (At least, always something that can be written with an eszett; I'm not sure how proper or improper it is just to write "ss", and suspect it may have become more common because of the influence of English, there being no eszett in ASCII, etc.)
ah, no, I'm all wrong
it depends on the preceding vowel
 
ASCII: made by American computer people, for American computer people
 
but after -au- there's no way it wouldn't have been an eszett
 
also @bobble i loved your response to the cccc: "NO." :)
 
8:27 PM
i think they changed the orthography at some point, words like bisschen used to be written with the ß but now aren't
i suppose it wasn't confusing enough yet
 
guess not
"we must make a language with super complicated orthography and hard-to-pronounce vowels and capitalize all the nouns"
 
hmm, german vowels are easier than english ones, no?
 
A choir club I was in did a song that was written in German and had the English pronunciations written out in linguistic squibblies. Needless to say, we immediately had better pronunciation explanations written in.
 
@jafe well yeah but i suck at labializing (aka "rounding")
Sep 29 at 21:02, by Mithical
ah yes, I too pronounce things squiggle squiggle squiggle
The following is the chart of the International Phonetic Alphabet, a standardized system of phonetic symbols devised and maintained by the International Phonetic Association. == Official chart == == Vowels == == Consonants == === Pulmonic consonants === === Non-pulmonic consonants === === Co-articulated consonants === == Auxiliary symbols == == See also == IPA vowel chart with audio IPA pulmonic consonant chart with audio International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects Extensions to the International Phonetic Alphabet Obsolete and nonstandard symbols in the Intern...
 
ah right the ö and ü must be pretty hard... didn't occur to me since we have those too :)
 
8:32 PM
It was a really pretty song about how some ladybug should fly back to her kids because their home was burning.
 
@jafe yes especially ü
 
CCCC hints: 1) the first letter is O; 2) the fifth letter is B
 
A search for O---B------ turns up no words that I can relate to either end of the clue
 
@bobble hmm
what could it be
 
Avi
8:48 PM
idk but like
 
I love the surface BTW
 
Avi
overburdens is erburd inside ovens
 
It's quite timely
 
Avi
I'm pretty sure that you could put a ' after others
given that punctuation is mostly ignored
 
@Avi OVERBURDENS fits the pattern exactly! @jafe, can you confirm?
 
8:49 PM
wait, what does he have to confirm?
 
Avi
can't confirm or deny
 
I mean, there's no plausible wordplay here
 
Avi
until we come up with a full wordplay
 
There are a lot of other words that fit. For example, OVERBOOKING
 
and it doesn't seem like it fits anything that could be the def
 
8:49 PM
@bobble rright
 
you need wp and def to confirm one way or another
 
i see
 
Avi
so here's what I'm thinking
 
Deus is going to solve it anyways?
 
Avi
it's either Acceptable = "to be a bit feverish, among others" + "gathering"
or Acceptable = "a bit*" inside "others gathering"
or Gathering = acceptable* inside others
 
8:52 PM
"a bit" could be "bait"
 
Avi
but the last one doesn't really fit with the candidate set of words
 
Sid
@bobble that sometimes means it's a name and not A word/niche word
At other times, it simply means you are not searching well enough.
 
Avi
I'm just going to be rolling on the ground laughing if the solution is "overbreathe" because that's precisely what you don't want to do when "a bit feverish among others gathering"
 
@Avi yess
 
send image of you rolling on ground laughing
 
Avi
8:53 PM
sorry I lied
 
@Avi w- ?
 
Sid
And in not-very-rare times, it's a Garethesque word that you never knew existed.
 
Avi
@matt w.r.t actually rolling on the ground
 
Is Garethesque a word?
 
now it is
 
Avi
8:54 PM
Garethespian
 
@bobble It always has been
Not really, it's a PSE word
 
@garethesque is someone's social media handle
 
@NorthLæraðr wait it's all _?
 
Avi
See in PSE chat you don't need to use logic to deduce who's lying
 
ah, I think I have it
 
Avi
8:55 PM
Because we're all lying
 
Sid
@bobble lollllll. That's actually funny
 
There are no results for "Garethespian"
 
Avi
I'm sure it's just the search engine acting out...
 
OK (acceptable) + TO BE (literally from the clue) + F (a bit feverish) inside REST (others) making OKTOBERFEST (a gathering). Quite timely that way, as well as the surface being so!
 
yep, that's it!
 
8:57 PM
damn
 
Avi
yikes
 
coooool
 
WHAT
Dang
 
Do we have to bow now?
 
@bobble yes
 
Avi
8:57 PM
nah we're not thespians
 
+1 to GarethMcCaughan...well done!
 
Really great surface, @jafe, and I'm impressed that you got two separate kinds of timeliness into it.
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Should I give Gareth my crown?
 
@bobble no, keep it
 
@bobble Do you have to give yourself to Gareth?
 
Sid
8:58 PM
That is very impressive. Both the cluing and solving
 
Avi
@NorthLæraðr Nah he's an old uncle probably
 
thanks! i like how it turned out
 
I would just be the whitespace behind the crown image, then
 
@bobble keep your crown!
 
@bobble Hm, I like you as the sentient crown
 
8:59 PM
especially getting to use "to be" and "among others" in not their usual crosswordese sense, hehe
 
I admit I'd been expecting to see an OTHERS* in there.
 
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