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7:01 PM
oh btw i forgot to say this
pickle good
 
Hm I thought ANT could be stuck on shoe and LLI be some how wiretapper's tool
 
Avi
ALLINT = Wiretapper's tool, stuck in shoe on floor
 
p i c k l e = g o o d
 
Avi
could just be AL + LINT + H_ E_ F_ A_ M_ I_ L_ Y_ - @msh210, confirm?
 
Wait look what I found
Lawful interception (LI) refers to the facilities in telecommunications and telephone networks that allow law enforcement agencies with court orders or other legal authorization to selectively wiretap individual subscribers. Most countries require licensed telecommunications operators to provide their networks with Legal Interception gateways and nodes for the interception of communications. The interfaces of these gateways have been standardized by telecommunication standardization organizations. With the legacy public switched telephone network (PSTN), wireless, and cable systems, lawful...
 
Avi
7:03 PM
yaaa
 
Ok thats definitely correct
 
@Avi how "AL + LINT"?
 
then what's the NT?
 
Avi
LI
 
So ALNT is stuck in shoe on floor
 
7:03 PM
Sounds about right
 
Avi
AL -> aluminum, lint is shoe lint
 
I'm not sure lint can be stuck in shoe
Its not a great definition
 
however shoes are typically on floors because of standing/sitting/walking i guess?
not sure
 
LI seems correct for wiretappers tool
 
Avi
ya
it's too strong
 
7:05 PM
LIN stands for LEGAL INTERCEPTION NODE
 
Interesting
ALT shoe on floor?
 
a quick google for ALNT gave, ah yes, "Autologous Lymph Node Transfer"
 
Avi
AL(LIN)T + H_ E_ F_ A_ M_ I_ L_ Y_ @msh210
with alt being a brand or alternative brand of shoes
 
that's ehhh
 
Avi
LIN being legal intercept node
and then inits
 
7:06 PM
Sounds feasible
 
Avi
feasible but probably not precise enough
 
Yeah
Hmm
 
I think all we're missing is how to get 'alt'
 
ANT and LLI sounded plausible as well
 
Avi
AL(LIN)T = wiretapper's tool, stuck in shoe on floor
 
7:07 PM
But unfortunately, google's not showing up anything for LLI
 
feasible has FeAsiBLE in it
 
"Leveled Literacy Intervention"? idk
first result
 
I've only ever solved one CCCC so I'm suprised I've been able to find so much as it is :P
 
@bobble how is that relevant
 
shrug
 
Avi
7:09 PM
relevant ends with ANT
 
how is that relevant?
 
it also has RELEvaNT
 
I looked up alternative footwear and got some suspicious websites (shivers)
 
what is happening
 
I see a CC in there - VA into RELENT
 
Avi
7:10 PM
VA never RELENT(s)
 
virginia?
i am confused
 
Avi
ok back to C4
 
Maybe it's a "lt"
like something that stands for "lt"
 
oh no
not "it" again
 
7:11 PM
ohhh
uhhh lieutenant
wow i actually spelled that right
 
Seems far-fetched by
Lord & Taylor is an American department store chain, and the oldest department store in the United States. As of August 2019, it had 38 stores and one outlet store. The flagship store at the Lord & Taylor Building on Fifth Avenue in New York City operated from 1914 until 2019. The chain has been a subsidiary of Le Tote since November 2019. Lord & Taylor parent company Le Tote filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on August 2, 2020, and on August 27, 2020, it was announced that Lord & Taylor would be liquidated. == Early history == === 19th century === English-born Samuel Lord start...
 
how did you find that?!!
 
Typed "LT" into google and wikipedia gave me a list
I have godly googling skills
 
our resident tree has mad Google skills
 
apparently so
 
7:13 PM
I doubt thats part of the clue but who knows
 
Yeah
It does fir AL(LIN)T though
And they do make shoes :P
 
hmm
 
tf is that
 
"shoe on floor"
Shoes + floor?
 
7:16 PM
hmm there's an idea...
(also when we finish this, you really needn't credit me)
 
Avi
@msh210 you are evil <3
so close, yet so far
 
ikr? this is hard
well and this is my first c4 anyway so
 
We pretty much have how the wordplay is set up
Just not exact definitions
 
According to acronyms.net, the first result for "LLI" was "Last Login Identification"
 
we just need the "alt"
 
Avi
7:18 PM
shoe on floor = ???
sandals?
 
Avi
what about ants
 
A(LLI)NT
 
msh210 would probably accept it as it is and explain it but it would be good to crack it
 
Avi
well yes
 
7:18 PM
The ant is on the shoes?
 
Avi
but ANTs are
usually not on my shoes
 
Shoe on floor wont give ant
 
Avi
cause i avoid stepping on them
 
Oh I was still looking at "stuck on shoe"
 
Avi
you would avoid stepping on ants too if you've ever had them crawl all over your shoe
 
7:19 PM
Stuck in will show how 'LI' or 'LLI' will be in the rest
 
Shoe on floor will give alt (hopefully)
 
ALT clearly indicates "Alternative Lengthening of Telomeres" via abbreviations.com
tf is a telomere though
 
I'm not sure how that's relevant
 
Avi
telomeres are part of dna
 
7:20 PM
Telomeres are in biology I believe
 
exactly
 
Avi
prevent cancer a little... or a lot
 
I thought telomeres are responsible for aging
 
Avi
they get shorter when they divide
 
which means it has nothing to do with shoes
 
7:20 PM
Bc it cuts off a part of your DNA
 
ouch
 
Avi
Telomeres are the caps at the end of each strand of DNA that protect our chromosomes, like the plastic tips at the end of shoelaces. 3. Without the coating, shoelaces become frayed until they can no longer do their job, just as without telomeres, DNA strands become damaged and our cells can't do their job.
 
hmm interesting
 
Avi
no
 
blegh
 
Avi
7:22 PM
your shoelaces are not telomeres
 
Avi
or they would be hella expensive
 
forget i said anything
 
I don't see how telomeres have to do anything
 
do ^with ?
 
Avi
7:23 PM
so uh
"shoe on floor"
could be "shoe adjacent to floor"
 
shoutout to @msh210 for making this ridiculously hard f***ing puzzle
@avi how?
 
Avi
or it could be shoe + "on's floor" = shoe + _N
placed on something
doesn't necessarily mean on top
could be placed on the side of
yeah but you can't do X Y floor
 
hmm
 
Avi
"on floor"
doesn't really work because of the T being leftover
 
wait wait
we have an N and a T
aNT
maybe im making no sense though
(probably tbh)
hmm
 
7:28 PM
ANTA is a shoue company
 
Avi
maybe we just need to wait for Deusovi and Gareth
D:
 
noooo
we're so close, i can feel it
 
Wait hold on
 
@Avi thanks
 
Avi
np
 
7:30 PM
What if wiretapper's tool is just in shoe + floor
 
@BeastlyGerbil nope
 
Avi
that's possible
 
interesting idea, Tree
 
AL(LI)NT?
 
@msh210 hehe Avi was right, you are evil! :P
 
7:31 PM
hmmm
@NorthLæraðr also *shoe ?
 
@matt thanks
 
no problem
 
Avi
the question is how AL and NT would be a shoe and floor
 
@Avi good question
 
7:34 PM
none yet for me
 
Avi
nop
i think i'm yielding
 
hmm
@Avi no don't
 
Avi
SWIMS is an ambigram
I go
 
I'm just gonna take a shot
 
how are ambigrams relevant?
> SWIMS
hmm
 
7:38 PM
@msh210 AL(LIN)T+H_E_F_A_M_I_L_Y
 
what does that mean?!
 
Ali nl the Family?
:P
 
Wait
ALT being "a lord and taylor" :P
 
um?
 
@NorthLæraðr um, no
 
7:40 PM
@msh210 shucks
perhaps a clue...?
 
@NorthLæraðr so soon? I don't mind, if people want it.
 
or is that the clue?
 
@msh210 I would ask, only because we're so close. However, I will wait until other ppl agree
 
No clue yet, the cc is only 2 hours old
 
how old does it have to be?
 
7:41 PM
Usually a day
 
wh-
hmm
 
Clues have gone whole weeks without being solved
 
whoa
 
Oh wait, wiretapping requires Line Tapping
LT
That doesn't work
 
according the the archive, 18 days is the longest a clue has stood
@NorthLæraðr LT Koenig :)
 
7:43 PM
thinking up a halloween clue now
 
@bobble the archive is somwhat outdated now I really wouldn't be suprised if one had gone longer
 
hmmmmm
 
Being American, wiretapping I think of Nixon
 
wiretapper's tool sounds like bug, no?
 
yes indeed
 
7:48 PM
not that it's any help if all in the family is the solution
 
@jafe Yeah. But that doesn't fit it
Exactly
HEFAMILY is waaaay to coincidental
 
yeah
 
i dont get it...?
^ hefamily
 
"initially, h.. e... f.. a.. m.. i.. l.. y.."
 
hmmmm
also GAP from "get a peek" - probs irrelevant
"he family gap"
 
Avi
7:51 PM
"get a peek into a white supremacist's home life with it" is probably the definition part of the clue
 
it's (3,2,3,6) so family has to be the last word
 
Avi
with the actual definition being the American sitcom named ALL IN THE FAMILY
 
hmmm
 
nvm read that wrong
 
hmmm
 
7:52 PM
maybe stuck is in shoe
BUt that doesn't help
 
Avi
but then LI doesn't go into anything
 
this is hard
 
Avi
and you have AL or ALL or ALLI being a wiretapper's tool
 
what could "shoe on floor" even mean?
 
casinos have floors, dealers have shoes of cards... and in poker you go all in
 
7:54 PM
good question. obvious answer is "there is a shoe on the floor"
 
:P
 
@msh210, are you happy now that your clue has survived >2 hours' worth of attack by the Lair?
 
I hate you msh
You and your pickles
 
@jafe serious answer?
 
not really :)
 
7:55 PM
i was so convinced there tbh
 
but "shoe" and "floor" are both casino terms
 
@jafe How?
 
coincidence?
 
Avi
oooh
i was thinking poker earlier
 
@N

> casinos have floors, dealers have shoes of cards... and in poker you go all in
 
Avi
7:55 PM
but didn't know those were poker terms
 
shoe is a box indeed
 
in blackjack you have a shoe which has x number of decks shuffled together
 
hm
 
Floor?
 
floor is the floorman, i.e. the manager you call if there's an error or something
 
Avi
7:57 PM
user image
3
 
hahahah
 
Avi
D:
 
oh no
 
@Avi It's not loading
Oh i see it
 
thats one giant shoe though
 
Avi
7:58 PM
don't question the metaphors
 
dafuq does that mean
 
Avi
the SHOE is a metaphor for the CCCC which is crushing all of us
 
i see now
but how do you know we are standing? we are most likely not
 

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