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12:34 AM
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2:43 AM
I found this question in LQP but I think it's ok, and not sure that deleted answer isn't a partial answer at least...
 
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2:45 AM
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@Zanna I'm not sure. It was converted to a comment though.
OT Arch Once it's closed, I think it should be migrated to Unix & Linux.
OT Mint - the edit seems to have been based on a misunderstanding that calling Mint "Ubuntu" would satisfy some kind of requirement for our site and make the question on-topic, since its fairly unlikely that someone describing the OSes they're booting, in detail, while looking at a list of them, would accidentally have called an Ubuntu system "Mint"
too broad, and this comment and that one should be flagged (I'd say as "unfriendly or unkind," though "no longer needed" also applies)
This question could probably be edited with information in comments, rather than closed.
too broad or unclear
not off-topic, expect is a way to automate the command line, it's principally a system administration tool, hardly any question about expect is a general Tcl coding question, and this is not a general Tcl coding question
This question isn't unclear or POB, but it could probably use a better title.
 
3:19 AM
@EliahKagan Post already registered as True Positive
 
not a dupe of either of the linked questions
not unclear, was answered in a comment
Is this question now a duplicate? Do we have something about which releases need Python 2? I'm not sure what the actual situation is where someone would have Python 2, not know how to remove it (i.e., probably not have manually installed it recently), but could remove it without causing terrible problems.
dupe (not off-topic)
OT bug (or I guess some people would consider it no repro)
It's not obvious to me why this question isn't clear enough to answer, and nobody has requested any information, so I don't think it should be closed as unclear.
This question about a problem with PHP that only happened after migrating to Ubuntu is out of the close queue (where it had wrongly been thought off-topic), but I'm wondering if it's answerable as-is or if more information is needed. I don't know PHP. @Videonauth Any thoughts on this?
 
3:58 AM
@jokerdino It was launched in 2017 and is preinstalled in some System76's computers.
@EliahKagan zx485 have deleted their comment which left your comment obsolete. You may consider deleting your comment too.
 
Thanks, I've just deleted it.
 
4:19 AM
@EliahKagan May be not since it's specific to 16.04 and Python 2 is still a dependency of many packages.
I didn't find any --allow-insecure-respositories in apt-get's manual. I have rejected this edit
 
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4:52 AM
@Kulfy Right, I'm wondering if we have something that covers the effect of removing different Python packages on different releases. If we don't have something like that, it's probably not a duplicate of anything.
 
That question may be considered as related to this one. May be I'm little biased here since I answered that question and added about python-is-python3 at the bottom. But surely it's not a duplicate.
 
@EliahKagan oops, I failed to notice that
:(
 
5:31 AM
@EliahKagan Not unclear, just coming to Ask Ubuntu from a dark matter cloud located many light years away in the great cosmic void. Just because I don't know the answer to it it's unclear is sad.
 
5:54 AM
@karel you do realize mod flags in chat ping every chat mod in the SE network yes?
 
@ThomasWard I thought it was a dumb typo error. I didn't realize that I was on Mt. Rushmore with a jackhammer.
 
yeah I'd be careful with those 'mod flags' here in chat. Delete needed or not, because that is something that all blue diamonds see in their "needs attention" queue
 
6:30 AM
@karel Based on experiencing problems that fit this description, I think there quite a few possible answers, and that there isn't enough information to guess--though your point about the age of the machine suggesting a failure of the internal hard disk is a good one. However, I just noticed that there was no actual request for specific information from the OP. I should definitely have posted such a comment when voting to close, since it is in hindsight not obvious. Sorry about that.
I've posted the comment I should've posted before voting to close. I haven't retracted my close vote. I'm open to the idea that I should do so, and I'm willing to listen to reasons for it, but I really do feel that whether or not the ISO is corrupted and what step the installation was on when it stopped making progress are quite important pieces of information that are missing.
 
@EliahKaganim not that firm with PHP anymore so sadly no no real thoughts on this
 
7:00 AM
There are slightly more than 5000 questions asked after the release of 20.04 (April 23, 2020) without answers and not closed as of now. Is it reasonable to go through them manually and see if they are duplicates of other questions?
On a related note, is it a good idea to probably go through each unanswered question at the end of week or some other arbitrary timeline and help them be closed as duplicates if identified?
I think we are getting a huge number of questions which get no response whatsoever, primarily because of not getting the adequate attention. I strongly suspect a considerable number of them will be duplicates of existing questions.
I have not thought about it too much and this is just an initial view that I am mentioning if anyone can understand what I am talking about and has opinions towards or against it.
 
OT Pop!_OS
@jokerdino If there was a .csv that I could access that would make it easy for me to manually go through the the whole list and review the questions one at a time even if it was a long list. Manually reviewing 5000 questions wouldtake a long time though.
 
7:22 AM
@karel For the time being, I have this search. I will attempt to get you .csv file tomorrow after the data dump happens.
No doubt, 5000 questions will take a long time. By the time we are done, we probably will have another 5000 ready to go.
🤣️
 
7:40 AM
I am trying to show an image that is a hyperlink to itself, as usual, but it is not working
[![this is what I mean]][1]
is this wrong ^
I think I'm losing my mind
 
Looks ok to me
 
so, does this not work any more? It's not in here and... it's not working
it's me
it should be[![like this][1]][1]
phew!
 
uhmm
 
@jokerdino I think by the time we have gone through that 5000, there will be 20000 more
@jokerdino could try it
 
😢😭
 
7:49 AM
I feel helpless in the face of all the things I don't have time to do
it's a luxurious problem
 
@Zanna how could we go about doing it?
 
well, let's say there are 1000 unanswered questions per week and it takes, say 5 minutes of person-time (which may be split between multiple people), on average, to decide whether or not it is a dupe. That means you need 5000 minutes per week to do it. There are 10080 minutes in a week, but probably we need to spend some of them sleeping, so let's say each person has approximately 1 hour per day they might dedicate to this task. According to python3, you will need 83.333333333333 people
 
So, the problem is we cannot find .33333333333 people. Quite tricky.
 
no wait I need to divide that by 7
you need 11.904761 (recurring) people, so that's not so bad
I mean at least it's recurring so it's a rational idea you have
unrelatedly, this question had the tag because it was migrated from meta. I wonder how often that happens... if there were no on main, I guess they would be
 
8:30 AM
@jokerdino in all seriousness, I don't know, but we could start here and have a go at this page and see what happens, as a test
upvoted the answer, so not longer unanswered
good question, possibly answered in comments but I don't feel compelled to do anything
(this is just a test, I'm not going to start reporting all my thoughts on every post like this)
answered in comments and getting closed as a dupe of something only slightly relevant. This one is the same problem, also comment answered. What could be done here?
wall of text needs editing before I can understand it or determine whether it's answerable, but ran out of energy already
@Zanna no longer unanswered
 
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Three of the same answer, and it doesn't actually address the details of the question in any of the three cases: 1 2 3
 
1 and 3 gone, 2 needs another vote ^
 
9:14 AM
I have been inserting breaks using <%break%> or just <%%>. This seems not to work any more?
 
 
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10:57 AM
dupe + abandoned question
 
11:16 AM
@Zanna What is the purpose of making trivial edits to a question which is 7 years old and is about a release that is not supported anymore? It puts it under our noses while there is little we can do about it. If something had to be done it could have been to delete the question entirely (no accepted answer).
 
11:34 AM
@xenoid I'm not Zanna but 2 answers and the question itself had issues. The command in question was misplaced and instead of being above of their output, they were below the previous output. In [this answer] (askubuntu.com/posts/577827/revisions), first line of the command was missing because it was present after code fences ``` and the other one wasn't formatted.
Moreover, no accepted answer doesn't mean that Q&A doesn't have any value. 13.04 reached EOL in January 2014 but the other answer suggest that the issue occurred in 2015 as well which I believe wasn't 13.04.
The answers had 6 and 2 upvotes from unregistered visitors/users with <15.
 
@Natty tp
dupe not "no-repro". OP uninstalled Deepin DE because of some issues but they were able to switch DE. Currently, this question has 2 dupe votes and 2 OT-no repro.
 
Still, fairly trivial (this was the 3rd round of edits...). Could be worth it only for an active question. 2015-era Ubuntu is EOL too (16.04LTS is EOL...).
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of body (37): I cant see my internet speed on conky .Conky config file included by Robi on askubuntu.com
 
Currently this question is being considered as unanswered.
Any idea what should be done with this question? Pilot6 answered in comments which actually solved OP's issue. I asked them to post an answer but it seems they aren't interested.
@Zanna I guess they are tagged with as a mandatory meta tag. example question
 
1:12 PM
@Kulfy that's the other direction though
@xenoid I firmly believe that old questions deserve just as much attention as new ones
 
@Zanna Oh. I read from as to and didn't even see the question :P
 
because every time I meet someone who knows about Ask Ubuntu, they tell me they never need to ask a question because they always find the answer already here :)
@Kulfy :D
@Kulfy thanks :)
@xenoid if you're not getting your money's worth, why don't you stop paying me? :D
 
@xenoid Leaving everything aside, 16.04 is not EOL.
 
@Natty fp
 
anyway @xenoid the reason I edited that question is that we are working on fixing posts with code fence issues. Eliah Kagan suggested finding posts where the first line of a code block was placed on the first line of opening backticks. This can cause the first line of text to disappear (which could be confusing) or the whole block to appear as a code span (ugly and difficult to read). So we wrote a query to find posts with triple backticks and Eliah Kagan processed the output
to find posts with this issue
there are a little over 600 of them remaining
 
Does this look like an answer?
 
I'm working from the bottom of the list, so that's why I'm editing old posts for this purpose at the moment. When I edit one post, I see if anything else on the page needs editing also, so that it only gets one bump. So I edited the question as well.
That's the story. But I am always editing old posts for one reason or another.
@jokerdino the accepted answer suggests that and explains it in painstaking detail
hard to tell but it seems to be a success report
or maybe it's just that I don't know about VirtualBox :S
 
2:35 PM
@jokerdino It has 1 anonymous upvote
 
already?
I would bet it was the OP
but still
 
That answer is 7 months old
 
yes, it is older than I thought
time is zooming away :S
 
Although I rejected this edit back in 2019, but was it from OP? linuxbabe.com isn't a spam site.
 
@Kulfy possible but not sure
 
2:40 PM
did the author ever log in again?
doesn't look like it
 
Did they post after logging out?
answered Nov 12 '19 at 10:07 and Last seen Nov 12 '19 at 9:57
 
the edit suggestion was on the next day
@Kulfy that's odd XD
maybe "last seen" doesn't refresh very often
I was last seen 10 mins ago
 
Yeah that's why jokerdino's query returned just 92 rows :D
 
92 is a manageable number :D
 
But we do have more Hit and Run cases
 
2:45 PM
Here, I found one success! askubuntu.com/questions/1073765/…
OP has added "answer" in the question body.
 
This seems like a useful question... Is it a dupe of something?
@jokerdino :D good job
 
@Natty tp
 
Maybe we have something for this?
 
2:57 PM
@Zanna if the settings are exposed to gsettings or some other related schema, they can be force set at restart using crontab.
 
would you like to write an answer?
 
Of course not
I don't know anything about it
 
I'm just saying that because @EliahKagan is not here to say it :D
 
3:11 PM
Do we save this question?
 
This the top result if you search "no os found ubuntu". A CW answer might help.
 
D:
 
and has 1 anony upvote
 
I have no idea how to flesh out the answer.
 
Disabling Legacy/CSM did the trick. Thank you both! — Soxanne Nov 16 '17 at 2:34
 
3:17 PM
and then natty will bark at me
 
I'm here to upvote and feed him with fp :)
 
Lord knows what I am doing, but I added an "answer".
 
waits for Natty
Is there any way to recover pastes?
 
@Natty tp
 
3:30 PM
@Kulfy good question to ask on main site
 
Well it depends on pastebin's policy and that's OT. Wayback machine isn't able to rescue those pastes.
 
ah, pastebins expire after a certain period.
 
Certain period is very much vague.
 
@Kulfy at best 60 days
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Q: Does paste.ubuntu.com remove all old snippets?

user.dzI was reading this answer comments: ambiguous package name 'libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0' with more than one installed There are few links to logs uploaded to paste.ubuntu.com back to June 2012. All of them were removed from the site. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042896/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042922/ htt...

here's me talking without knowing anything
I think it ought to be deleted after 30 days but that never happened until recently. Now I see so many broken links. — jokerdino ♦ Apr 29 '13 at 19:25
 
IIRC I have seen pastes which are 2 years old. May be some other factors are also involved
 
3:36 PM
Possibly they are also purging based on pageviews.
 
That also makes sense.
 
@EliahKagan I never trusted those kind of edits (unless accompanied by compelling evidences), that is when OP changes <insert-Ubuntu-based-non-supported-distro-here> to Ubuntu after the question is closed or OP is told that it's OT.
@Kulfy one edit is needed
 
Yup.
 
OP failed to describe properly with words here
 
@pomsky there is an accepted answer so we have to derive the question from there
 
3:48 PM
Working on it.
 
@jokerdino yes, reading between the lines it's about minimise-on-click feature for Ubuntu Dock (also based on the accepted answer and OP's comment on the deleted answer)
 
I can understand that from this "if i click on the nautilus icon, it doesn't minimize it."
so it is not terribly unclear
 
@jokerdino Yes, but it's a dupe of the canonical question
 
@pomsky that can do
 
Done. Edited title to reflect the question.
i'd like to minimize the folder when i click on the icon with the three blue drawers?
 
3:54 PM
@Kulfy hammered it, thanks :)
 
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^^ Intended as a comment on one of the other answers.
 
@pomsky Edited the tags and title a bit
@Kulfy edited the question, title and tags. Please sanity-check thank you.
@pomsky do you have any idea how to set the "sensitivity" for the auto-hid dash dock?
Unity launcher used to have that setting. Haven't found one for GNOME dock in my superficial searching
 
@jokerdino Thanks, it was much needed :)
 
3:58 PM
@jokerdino Well I guess having with would have also be fine.
 
@Kulfy sorry, installation as tag is blacklisted.
hmm, that edit went through. Fixed it then
 
@jokerdino sensitivity as in? You want to push harder with mouse cursor in order to reveal the dock once hidden?
 
was never there :D
 
@pomsky that's right
"launcher reveal pressure" for Unity launcher
 
I'm working on a query but body of posts isn't revealed in results. Any idea why?
 
4:02 PM
@jokerdino You need to have org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock require-pressure-to-show set to true, then you can change the sensitivity value with org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock pressure-threshold
 
@EliahKagan do I move it or delete it?
 
I'm not sure.
 
@EliahKagan Post already registered as True Positive
 
@Kulfy let's see
 
@pomsky thanks, that works.
 
4:10 PM
@jokerdino you're welcome :)
 
@Zanna Data dump happened on 7 Jun 10:07 but it doesn't have post that was posted on 7 Jun 05:30
That's why body wasn't available.
 
oh, so you've found the answer and I don't need to do anything?
 
that's right
 
Yup. Thanks anyway.
 
:)
back to sleep then
 
4:24 PM
Should this be closed against DK Bose's question?
 
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seems deletable. Link no longer exists.
 
Does some program report chip temperatures in Rankine?
 
owfs?
 
I didn't even know there was such a temperature scale
 
4:42 PM
@Kulfy I've never used owfs. Would one get output in that format from it? If so, then that's probably the answer.
Looking in the manpage, it has -R/--Rankine, but it doesn't look like it should report different temperatures in different scales.
 
what is glances
 
In the same way that Kelvin is the temperature scale where the units are the same size as a change in 1 degree Celsius, Rankine is the absolute temperature scale where the units are the size as a change in 1 degree Fahrenheit. I'm not sure I've ever actually seen a temperature recorded in it.
@Zanna Are you suggesting that this could be related to the glances system monitor? Or glancing at something? :)
 
it is in the title of the question
 
Oh. I totally missed that! I'll delete my comment.
 
oh! Maybe you can write an answer instead :)
 
4:51 PM
Thanks!! (regarding glances)
@Zanna I'm installing glances to see if I can reproduce this or otherwise confirm that it's in Rankine. I don't know why some temperatures would be shown on one scale and others on another.
 
@EliahKagan I realised that from the link in your comment! I assume I never encountered it because Fahrenheit is not used much in UK
@EliahKagan :) :)
 
@Zanna Rankine is also not used much anywhere, as far as I know. Like, most people in the US have likely not heard of it, I think.
A friend of mine uses Rankine as an intermediate unit in calculations, like for converting between different units. Also, technically the result of subtracting two Fahrenheit values is in Rankine (rather than Fahrenheit), in the same way that technically the result of subtracting two Celsius values is in Kelvin (rather than Celsius). Beyond that, however, this will be the first time I've ever actually used Rankine.
Why does glances create a user account when installed?
 
hmm to steal your data?
@EliahKagan exciting!
 
For now I've replaced my comment.
(unrelated) not an answer
@EliahKagan Also, it's officially called "degrees Rankine," which I find very frustrating, since Rankine is an absolute temperature scale like Kelvin and is thus an ordinary unit that supports the usual algebraic operations, such as scalar multiplication, in a straightforward way. One is supposed to say "degrees Rankine" but this is entirely for historical reasons and it's like saying "degrees kilogram."
 
@EliahKagan hahaha
you've just explained why we don't say degrees Kelvin, which I had not understood or considered :)
 
(unrealted) I feel like this question needs another answer explaining that shell operators are not actually classified this way and that this classification system is objectively wrong, and what the actual terms are for these things. I'm not sure when if ever I'd get around to writing such an answer though.
That classification system was unfortunately put forth in a published book. The same book presents lots of other questionable terminology, like calling the execution of one command and then another "sequential logic," and contains lots of outright false claims, like the claim that ? in a glob pattern doesn't match a dot or backslash.
Classifying symbols in Bash this way (most of which are not operators at all) contradicts both the terminology in the Bash documentation and the internationally standardized POSIX terminology, and it is also descriptively inaccurate, for example = perform assignment, not definition, even though this sometimes introduces a variable.
^^ @karel I just noticed the existing answer there is yours. Although I don't think this would completely eliminate the need for a second answer, you might want to clarify that those phrases (like "defining operator") are incompatible with the official terminology and also do not accurately describe what those symbols do.
A shell operator (or, outside the context of arithmetic evaluation, anything called an operator in a Bourne-style shell) contains at least one shell metacharacter (so = is not an operator at all) and is either a redirection operator or a control operator (so $ is not an operator at all).
Also, $ triggers an expansion, not an evaluation. It's quite unfortunate that people are struggling to learn a whole set of terms for things in the shell that are totally wrong. Unfortunately, giving clear, correct information that is carefully checked takes a lot of time and effort.
@karel Btw I mean no insult to you by any of this. The editors and reviewers of that published book, and its author, are to blame for this, not you. I'm not suggesting that you're obligated to correct it in detail, especially considering I don't even have time to do so at the moment. I do suggest mentioning, though, that this classification system is outright inaccurate, and not merely a matter of opinion.
 
6:03 PM
 
OP's edit to the target makes the situation a bit confusing
 
lightdm-login is a confusing term I guess.
 
6:19 PM
Do we save this question?
 
7:04 PM
@EliahKagan To clarify, what would make an answer that addresses the wrong assumptions in the question (presumably from that book) time-consuming to write is that it would be very easy to write a confident-sounding answer about how that terminology is wrong...that is itself wrong.
This is because the word "operator," in addition to its technical meaning, is used in numerous informal contexts in the Bash reference manual. For example, it talks about globbing operators, and it sometimes talks about primaries passed to test/[ and [[ as operators (which includes =, though it doesn't perform assignment).
The issue is not that it's wrong to use "operator" informally; whether or not one ought to do that, even the official documentation does so. The issue is that the specific classification system, and the terms it in, are nonsense, corresponding to no widely used or official terminology, nor even to any of the informal uses of "operator" in the documentation, and misstate what those symbols actually do.
Also, I'm unsure if another answer even should be written. The OP didn't cite the book or give any other context; it might not be worth so much effort given the low quality of the question.
The book presents = as an operator outside of arithmetic expansion. But if it weren't for the reference @karel found (I hope these pings aren't a nuisance--I figured you might be interested but you are not obligated to act on or reply to any of this if you don't want to) I would view the question quite differently, assuming that it is merely a confusion about the different contexts, such as arithmetic expansion, in which operator-like symbols may appear in Bash.
It might still potentially be that.
@jokerdino I think that question should be kept, and that it is not no-repro. The reason is that the messages shown in it, from the Ubuntu system, actually facilitate diagnosing the problem. I think it should just be answered (CW or otherwise).
 
@EliahKagan I'll comment and post a CW answer. I will of course have no objection if my comment, stating why I believe the question should not be closed, is judged not needed and removed. Answer posted.
 
Is this one okay? Looks a bit too-broad-ish and unclear to me.
 
7:19 PM
I'm not sure. For now I've just upvoted your comment.
@Natty tp
 
7:49 PM
@EliahKagan out of votes, will check tomorrow
 
7:59 PM
@jokerdino Thanks for asking me the question. I think it might be useful for future readers, so I posted a self-answered question.
 
@pomsky how could you? :shakes head:
 
sorry :p
 
out of votes, will check tomorrow
 
 
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9:11 PM
I've rejected this edit with the custom message:
> (a) When reformatting commands, please avoid spurious trailing backticks. (b) Unlike paragraph breaks, line breaks only occasionally help readability.
It needs at least one more review.
I've rejected this edit with the custom message:
> This removes potentially relevant info, especially as recent Lubuntu releases use Calamares instead of Ubiquity (lubuntu.me/focal-released).
It, too, needs at least one more review.
 

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