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GcL
8:02 PM
I ran "Cat and Mouse" by Kobold Press for 4 L1 players. That went pretty well since it could be done with very minimal combat.
Curse of the Sea Witch was also pretty neat, but you need more experienced players for that since it's under water.
 
@GcL Frequently sledgehammers against my players' skulls are too subtle ;-)
 
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@Rubiksmoose I concur
 
@JohnP heh, do you mean the wall of text I posted about the behir?8^D
 
@Rubiksmoose clearly your sledgehammers are not rocket propelled, a rookie mistake
 
@KorvinStarmast No, the late answer you edited into a readable form.
 
8:07 PM
@Medix2 Well I did order some, but for some reason all I got was a long talking to by the police.
 
@JohnP Ah, yeah, sometimes I like to do that. :)
 
It's odd that the tools section doesn't appear on mobile, though if I have my phone load the desktop version it shows up
 
@GcL Yeah you get the "I try it anyway... hope I get a nat-20" people
@Someone_Evil Oof. That's a tough one.
I don't think there is any answer that will please everyone for "what is a civilization". Any group I exclude will want to be included, and wherever I draw the line, larger "civilizations" will say "why did you include them?"
 
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@DavidCoffron Summon Sid Meier?
 
@GcL Because those games have a great track record...
 
GcL
8:13 PM
In sales and entertainment value?
 
@GcL haha. There have been quite a few eyebrow-raising moments for me on what they've included as civs and what they've excluded.
 
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For the purpose of this conversation, I propose we use the definition of: "Civilization is a limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessaries."
 
Well, it used to be that you could put ranks into skills so you could justify high lore checks with "well, I purposefully spent time to study this thing".
 
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Because I'd like to talk about the civilization of promotional button manufacturers
@Yuuki So... PhD programs?
 
Like in Civ 4 they considered "Native American" a single civ, even though in the past they've done individual tribes like Iroquois and Sioux
(although Sioux wasn't really a good representation of the Sioux tribe, and kind of crammed together stereotypes between a wide range of tribes in that region)
 
8:16 PM
We stopped at Civ 3 ...
 
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@DavidCoffron Seems like any and all of those are candidates for multipliers of unnecessary necessaries.
@KorvinStarmast Oh come on... there's way more than 3 civilizations.
 
@GcL If you had to choose 3, which would they be?
 
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@DavidCoffron Table top gamers, authors, musicians.
 
China, Rome, and Arabia is probably the best you can do with only 3 (imo)
 
Maybe Persia tbh
 
8:18 PM
@Medix2 But which of those three is Persia more important to our global history than
 
I guess if you want global history you have to pick one from each part of the globe, otherwise it's not very global at all
 
China Rome Persia ignores the entire Western Hemisphere. But it would work.
 
^
 
GcL
Who invented fried food? Probably just pick the first three groups of people that independently invented frying things in fats. I feel like they deserve it.
 
"Who invented/discovered X" is always a fun question
 
8:19 PM
Good point, you should probably include Britain and Spain if you want global history because that had such an impact globally
 
Rome are the Protoss, Persia is the Terrans, and China are the Zerg.
GO!
 
Like how strange (or not) the person who learned you can drink cow milk must have been
 
> sorry, slipped into starcraft mode there
@Medix2 "It seemed like a good idea at the time" was probably his excuse.
 
Wouldn't Rome be the Zerg? They were pretty intent on conquering and assimilating other nation-states.
 
@KorvinStarmast I'd probably swap Persia and China philosophy-wise. But that's a tough comparison
 
GcL
8:21 PM
@Yuuki Also liked to be covered in chitin
 
4-5

I think we have a question about running it with less, though
Call of the Shadowprince, I think could be run with 3, but 4-5 is also preferable.
 
@DavidCoffron I think you could make a good case for any of those, I just typed fast
 
And there is also one about modifying it to be a one shot.
 
@DavidCoffron Rome = Terran, Persian = Zerg, China = Protoss. GO!
 
oops wait.
 
8:22 PM
@KorvinStarmast Now that you say it, your right. They all do a bit of each
 
GcL
Oooo Romance of the Three Kingdoms.... I miss that game.
 
there's one for 2 players...
 
@DavidCoffron Or, you can have the Japanese board game society be the Terrans, since the space marines like to say "GO GO GO!"
 
GcL
Lu Bu for the win... until he totally betrays you in the middle of a war.
 
I'll get my coat ...
 
8:24 PM
@KorvinStarmast boo....
 
@JohnP they can't all be gems. 8^D
 
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@KorvinStarmast Yeah. Then locate object would never work.
 
@KorvinStarmast "Oh, I was hoping for something a little better than that from you, sir. A man of your education."
 
I mean, isn't sand just a bunch of tiny quartz gems?
 
So I need to thank whomever gave me the DMing axiomatic advice "Give the players enough rope to hang themselves with". Because with the conclusion of the one-shot campaign I ran, it really paid off in spades.
 
8:27 PM
@goodguy5 not solely, no.
 
I could do 3 per time period -
Ancient: Maya, Greek, Egyptian
Classical: Roman, Persian, Incan
Medieval: Mongol, Mali, Ottoman
Industrial:
Modern:
 
Long story short: The Paladin exited the campaign by accidentally getting themselves teleported to one of the layers of Hell after barely managing to get one of their party members out of a room full of poison.
 
A room full of poison?

So, a liquor store?
 
@DavidCoffron Hrm. I'd go with Atlantis, Lemuria and Shambala personally.
 
@goodguy5 ...... no, but talk to me after the conclusion of the next campaign arc I'm running...
 
8:29 PM
@nitsua60 That makes our 15th unofficial site motto :P
 
@Xirema Was the paladins name Schroedinger?
 
Whoops. It is too late to edit the rest in. lol
 
@DavidCoffron Too bad there aren't any mods around that could edit it in for you...
 
@JohnP No, her name was Lucia.
"Is", I guess. Technically she didn't die.
 
@Xirema Surname Santa? :D :D :D
 
8:31 PM
(Followup on the issue of "Vehicles (land or water)" not appearing in the Tools table on DDB: The basic rules now include that row as well, matching the basic rules PDF (and the PHB): dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/equipment#OtherTools)
 
I could do 3 per time period -
Ancient: Maya, Greek, Egyptian
Classical: Roman, Persian, Incan
Medieval: Mongol, Mali, Ottoman
Renaissance: France, Polish, Mughal
Colonial/Industrial: Spain, Britain, Indonesia
Modern: U.S.A, Russia

China... always...
 
@Xirema We recently had a Paranoia game with a laser sword of indefinite lenght. Basically, as long as the light manages to stay coherent. We ended up destroyng 15 sectors of the Alpha Complex, Friend Computer was not pleased.
 
@Zachiel Oh my.
 
@Medix2 I disagree that they contradict. Crawford's clarification specifically says, "You can interrupt a multiple-attack action with a bonus action/reaction only if the trigger of the bonus action/reaction is an attack, rather than the action." The trigger of TWF's bonus-action attack is "an attack"; the phrase "as part of the Attack action" simply restricts which kind of attack (that is, one that's made as part of the Attack action) can qualify for TWF's bonus-action attack.
 
@DavidCoffron so, zerg is many weak units, protoss is a few very powerful units and terran is... anything in between, really?
 
8:39 PM
need a light?
 
@JohnP lol
 
I've been thinking of writing up my current 5e campaign, but my Word and Google Docs drafts don't seem very fun. Does anyone have any tips on software to use to make a homebrew campaign book look "official", especially with page layouts?
 
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@Upper_Case I suggest writing it up in markdown then using pandoc or something to convert to a format you like... pdf... blog posts... whatever.
I'm a fan of keeping content and formatting as separate as I reasonably can.
 
@V2Blast Except it doesn't say "as part of the Attack action" it says "When you take the Attack action..."
 
8:51 PM
@JohnP heh, I guess that hope springs eternal (and Now I need to remember a movie ref ...)
 
Which, at least to me, means you must actually "take the Attack action"
 
@Zachiel I was thinking about their philosophy on life rather than their military philosophy, but that sounds about right.
 
@Upper_Case Though for anything longer than a few pages I tend to go with @GcL's philosophy and use LaTeX.
 
@nitsua60 @GcL Thanks! Those are good suggestions
 
Terran: Unity through cooperation, Protoss: Unity through creed, Zerg: Unity through coherence
 
8:52 PM
@Xirema That's my DMing MO, and I have mentioned in on RPGSE numerous times. I learned it from a good DM. Spread the good word! 8^D
 
@Upper_Case @BESW might have likely has good recommendations, too. Not their first trip to this particular rodeo =)
 
@DavidCoffron Industrial: Larry, Curly, and Mo.
 
Or better descriptions if I'm not being alliterative: cooperation, religion, and unanimity
 
@nitsua60 I'll keep an eye out for them, I'm keen for recommendations. My planning documents alone are well past six pages, even not including maps and special item descriptions
 
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@nitsua60 LaTeX is a heck of a learning curve.
 
8:55 PM
@V2Blast Regardless though I've updated my answer so it stands either way
 
@GcL Sheesh, yes. (But if you already know it, you can get in so much trouble on so many projects!)
 
@GcL A learning curve that involves a LOT of copy-pasted until you figure it out yourself
 
@KorvinStarmast Look, all I'm saying is, DMs should be more willing to give their players Very Rare items at level 3. I gave the Paladin a Bronze Horn of Valhalla (summon ~14 CR2 Berserkers to fight for you) and a Figurine of Wondrous Power, Obsidian Steed (summon a CR3 Hell Horse that can sometimes teleport itself and its good-aligned rider straight to Hell, no return trip), and everything went fiiiiine. I don't see what everyone gets so worried about.
 
True facts: TeX - LaTeX is how I got to SE.
 
Ok, 10 days to the Con and it's desperation time.
Why did I embark in getting ready this one-shot?
Why did I start making cards of all the items and spells? I have now 245 cards to print!
In color!
And they need card sleeves T_T
And I still don't know how I will print or draw my map.
Or how I will make recognizable tokens with a 15mm square base
 
9:05 PM
@Zachiel Cartographer's Guild + print shop? I once had to wait more than an hour at a print shop because someone had a rush job, which the shop staff did all of the physical work to print and assemble
10 days is like 60,000 DM prep units
I believe in you
 
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@Zachiel I do flat tokens made of paper clay. Paint by whatever method is convenient for you.
If you need multiple copies of the same token, make your prototype first. Apply some vegetable oil after it dries. Press fresh clay to make a negative impression. Let negative dry. Apply some vegetable oil to the negative. Use it as a stamp to press out a bunch of copies.
Takes a few hours, but you can get it done while watching a movie or listening to some music.
 
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Q: What Pets or Livestock Would Drow Have?

Michael GreeneI know Drow love their sapient slaves, but what about less intelligent creatures to keep as pets or livestock, or other purposes. Is there any official word on this for 5e or even previous editions?

 
@Xirema hehe, I could not agree more.
 
9:27 PM
how's everyone doing today?
 
Tired.
You?
 
@V2Blast Fair trending to middlin, but last night took the missus out for dinner. 31st anniversary. Beautiful walk in the moonlight on the beach after din din, so last night was a gem. Night sky was crystal clear.
 
@GcL all this work I'm doing is just for a one-shot. I'll do some cardboard tokens
I hope I'll manage to squeeze recognizable art in a 15x15mm square
I fear that the squares will be very hard to hold and move if there are other squares around
 
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@Zachiel Paint before you cut
Or write.
 
@V2Blast I'm weary of low-integrity data
 
9:40 PM
@Zachiel What is the one shot for?
I made an edit to my answer about Lizardfolk AC. Hopefully it is better.
 
@Eternallord66 I would change the header to say "The RAW is unclear", with sub-headers for the arguments for and against permitting this. Otherwise, I think it's a better answer.
 
@Eternallord66 I like the edit
 
@Xirema For the main header would i use ## and the sub headers **
 
@Eternallord66 SE has three header levels, #, ##, and ###, in descending size.
Personally, I think ## is too similar in size to #, so I generally don't use it.
 
@Xirema I didn't know that
 
9:52 PM
(Also, as verbose as I am, even I know better than to indulge in the Forbidden Triple-layered Header Technique...)
 
Ok final edit (I think)
@Xirema Triple-layered header technique?
 
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@Eternallord66 For answers, it's useful to begin the answer post with #, the H1 header, as it makes the site make a lot more sense with a screen reader
 
@Eternallord66 Shhh.
It's forbidden.
 
GcL
The question title automatically gets rendered as an H1 tag. So subsequent answers that start with H1 appear to be separate documents which makes separating out separate answers easier.
 
@GcL I'm still pretty unclear about all of this. I don't work with things like this often so even reading the help doesn't help.
 
GcL
9:55 PM
Otherwise you just have the question title followed by a bunch of H2.
@Eternallord66 Most people are. Accessibility isn't really on most people's radar.
 
I'm not a programer or anything even partially resembling it. I just use AutoCAD.
 
@GcL Interesting! I've actually heard exactly the opposite before where people with screen readers preferred to have answers not start with H1s
Not to say you are incorrect or anything!
I could also be misremembering entirely.
 
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On this site, when I was using a screen reader, it made a lot more sense when the H1's denoted a new answer
i got used to the voting being the delimiter, but I had to traverse differently to get that.
 
Interesting. I'll have to keep that in mind. I tend to start mine with H2s, partially because I remembered that being easier for screen readers.
 
GcL
hopping headings was the way I'd have liked to do it, but it got confusing fast
 
9:59 PM
@Eternallord66 a D&D 4e game for a convention
 
@GcL I can only imagine that this site is an accessibility nightmare to navigate in general.
 
@Zachiel Sounds cool
 
@GcL I don't even know what a screen reader is
 
10:05 PM
@Upper_Case I at least know a number of people who use GM Binder
 
@Eternallord66 They probably mean text-to-speech software, which reads text on the screen out loud. Such software has trouble with untagged formatting. Visually, a header that's been made bold and large-text manually looks the same as a header which used a format style to do the same thing, but a TTS program can't tell that manual formatting indicates a new section; it CAN tell that if you use a style.
 
Thanks to @BESW and @Medix2!
 
@Upper_Case If you're looking to lay down a bit of cash, I recommend Serif's Affinity Publisher.
 
@BESW I've never used that, just heard of it.
 
@Upper_Case It looks like you work with a lot of visuals, so I'd recommend grabbing Affinity Photo also. They work together better than The Competition (Adobe Indesign and Adobe Photoshop) and buying both of them costs less than three months of Adobe subscription.
(the trifecta is completed with Affinity Designer, which is dedicated to drawing/painting your own new visuals)
@Rubiksmoose From what I've learned with clients, consistency is the biggest ask. And we can't give that, because everybody's formatting their own answers.
 
10:16 PM
5
Q: Can you Investigate the same room twice?

J. WagnerI have not seen this question when searching, although someone here might be able to point me to it. I found a related one here Situation: PC walks into a room and wants to investigate to find any clues or whatever. They roll a 5 and lets say +3, which results in nothing. However, as a real pers...

 
@BESW that makes sense. And it's sad that it is practically unachievable here.
Though it kind of tickles me to think of the pure insanity it would take and the reaction if we tried.
 
There are a lot of different screen readers with different levels of complexity and capacity, there's no one formatting trick to make them all work best. But the person using the program can adapt to whatever a given site's tagging structure is, so long as it's tagging consistently.
 
RPG.se, now with mandatory formatting guidelines.
 
It's crazy how you can ask and discuss RPG issues with thousands of people online.
Growing up I was the only GM I knew. I couldn't discuss nothing with nobody.
 
@JinLong Now you can discuss nothing with a bunch of nobodys!
 
10:19 PM
Great progress!
 
Welcome...to the future!
 
@Rubiksmoose Hah, yeah. Sometimes the groupmind is useful, but I'm getting so much better results from the smaller, more aggressively curated spaces I've recently found.
"4 Exercises for Better Understanding Your Writing," by Dee Pennyway. Here are four exercises to help you unlearn some of the lessons that you might have been taught by creative writing or English professors over the years, which may or may not be helpful to you now that you're writing your own work. There's no one right way to write.
"Flying Games," by Jay Dragon, is a collection of 8 short RPGs (and an editorial) based around themes of consent, weather patterns, dreams, and (of course) flight. These games aren't intended to be played. That's never been their purpose. Instead, like most games you'll read, the purpose is to imagine your relationship with them. These games are an invitation, to imagine impossible things. Will you accept?
"Making Parties Matter," by Goatmeal Games is an addon system for D&D 5e. Sometimes social encounters should bear more weight than a single die roll, especially when there are important NPCs involved. Making Parties Matter introduces new mechanics that will allow more utility in adjudicating social encounters. What can the characters do to setup the roll for better results, and what kinds of results should they even expect?
 
@BESW oh yeah? That makes sense though. Crowds sometimes aren't as wise as they think they are...
 
yeah. In particular I've was recently invited to a server dedicated to RPGSEA and sworddreamers, and it's been really nice to find a space where I don't have to repeatedly explain my context from the ground up at the start of every new conversation.
Their support is a big reason why Traveling Librarians happened.
 
sworddreamers?
 
10:34 PM
Sworddream is a loose collection of communities originally created as a response to toxicity in OSR spaces, which follow these principles:
@Upper_Case Here's a blog version of Dee's Twitter guide, it's probably easier to read.
 
@BESW Thanks again! I didn't expect such a nice set of resources
 
@BESW Ooo! I love it.
 
@Rubiksmoose Check out the Dreamjam for examples!
@Upper_Case You're welcome! There's a lot of poor indie game devs out there sharing resources about how to create good games on a tiny budget.
 
GcL
11:02 PM
@Eternallord66 Specialized web browser for the visually impaired.
 
@GcL I've never seen the web-browser called a screen reader, it's moreso a separate application that can readout anything, not just websites, no?
Though the variety of screen-readers I've downloaded have been very, very different, so they certainly aren't uniform
 
@KorvinStarmast Nice! :)
 
@Medix2 Yeah, JAWS and NVDA are the ones I'm most familiar with, and they're system-wide overlays.
 
GcL
@Medix2 Technically, it's a front end for an accessibility infrastructure that takes input from a bunch of different communication channels... but I only had to use it for web browsing. A lot of students use it for their email and messenger as well.
 
And Apple's native TTS software is pretty solid too.
I've also heard good things about Dolphin?
 
GcL
11:08 PM
I don't know what the Windows offerings were like, but I heard all of them spend an inordinate amount of effort trying to make web sites less mangled
 
11:55 PM
"Jellicle Jam" hosted by Adira Slattery, Fen Slattery, therealalexflanigan, and Jeff Stormer, starts in six hours. Cats (2019, dir Tom Hooper) and Cats the Musical are both definitely pieces of media that have been created by human hands. Lets make more media based on them!
 
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