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2:35 AM
It just occurred to me that my email-writing and way of speaking really has improved and become more thought through and eloquent, and i was telling el'endia that, and he said "IPS in real life!" so... yeah, this site really helped but so subtly... now it's apparent. Cool :)
 
 
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3:47 AM
@ElizB It's amazing how these skills sneak up on you
 
@Rainbacon yeah, it's pretty cool :)
 
4:13 AM
I had it happen to me about a year after I started the job I'm in. My coworkers had been trying to help me with the social skills I needed to do my job. I didn't feel like it working. I went to visit my family for Thanksgiving and my mom told me how amazed she was at how much I had changed. Specifically she was very surprised when I made small talk with a cashier.
 
Cool :)
 
4:31 AM
Morning everyone :)
 
5:07 AM
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8:43 AM
Good morning everyone! ♥
 
Good morning!
 
Erggg laptop surgery always stresses me out
 
(well, just morning)
 
So... Stressful morning :P
 
@Mithrandir That too :P
 
8:51 AM
You know what people? It's snowing and I'm happy! \o/ :D
But I'm out of there now, 'cause I have work to do :p
 
Snow is almost here, I think it'll arrive by this afternoon :D
 
JAD
@Tinkeringbell hmm, I'm working from home
 
Yep, me too. Rest of the week :D
 
JAD
missing out on the departments New year's brunch at work :(
 
The sun is shining... the heat is off...
 
8:59 AM
People are whining... Alex will scoff...
 
It's 16°C outside, which isn't great, but is hardly horrible.
 
Finished your poem for you.
 
True.
 
JAD
9:25 AM
ooh
it started snowing
 
Still nothing over here :(
 
10:01 AM
Now hopefully it'll go back together again.
 
You look like you could use a prober 'ifixit' set.
 
I just hope my brother remembers where all these screws came from.
 
Meh, in my experience it's not too bad if you have leftovers at the end, but stuff still works XD
 
See, we're mixing up the parts of two laptops (and a hard drive that's heading into its fourth host), so... hopefully at least one will work when we're done.
Put back together, let's see if it boots...
...welp, keyboard doesn't seem to be working.
 
JAD
@Tinkeringbell hmm, when I built my pc I found out I forgotten one of the mounting pins for my motherboard. To fix it I would've had to taken it all out again. Couldn't be bothered with that :P
 
 
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11:36 AM
IT'S FINALLY SNOWING HERE!
about 3 flakes per minute, but it's snowing!
 
Nice! :D
It's not The Awkward Silence anymore, but The Snow Silence!
(It's probably isn't said this way in English, but anyway ^^)
 
12:28 PM
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow ♥
It's not snowing here though :3
We're too close to the sea
 
@JAD flake news! :P
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1:05 PM
@Noon I read your answer on makeup's post and instantly know it was you when you talked about the sarouel x)
 
@avazula Haha, that's the problem with you, even if I try to post as anonymous, you will still be able to recognize me :P
 
@Noon Yeah, I know I'm that amazing person you call Diana, no need to pretend with me O:)
 
@avazula Hehe :D
 
@Rainbacon Well... books are ordered. It may take until March 5th for them to arrive though, so... in the meanwhile you're going to have to wait :P
 
1:29 PM
@Noon do you use l'écriture inclusive when you chat or mail your coworkers?
disclaimer: "écriture inclusive" means inclusive writing, it's something French speaking people have come up with as our language is very gender oriented. Inclusive writing prevents talking like the whole world is only composed of men ;)
@IPSCommentBot tp
 
@avazula Yes (my boss even ask me what was "iel" (french "equivalent of "they") the other day ^^)
 
@Noon haha. How do they react to it when you do so? I was just chatting with a team mate and caught myself writing "iels/they" but I was afraid he'd judge me
 
JAD
@Tinkeringbell what books? :O
hmm, one of the advantages of working from home is having easy access to a blanket and a stove to make hot chocolate :D
 
@avazula Well, there is already someone here who is all for the "écriture inclusive" so it wasn't really new. But then my boss read online about "iel" and was all confuse as why you would use "iel/they" for someone call "Robert" and same for Robert's mom ("it's obviously a man and a woman!"). I didn't told him about agenre and intersexe people (I mean, let's start slowly here ^^)
@avazula But I didn't use it in my previous job for the same reason you didn't
 
I understand. Thanks for your insight :) I think it's great you're standing up for this.
 
1:37 PM
@avazula Thank you :) And don't blame yourself for not doing the same thing, it's easier when you are in an open/safe environment
 
@Tinkeringbell I guess I'll have to find my own questions to ask
 
JAD
@Noon Here I am trying to figure out how to pronounce that in French. Or is it just a written thing?
 
@JAD It's pronounced \jɛl\
pretty much like "yell" in English
 
JAD
figured
 
@JAD No you can pronounce it as well. You can say it as: "i elle" (french pronunciation of "i" and french pronunciation of "elle") (as ava said ^^)
 
JAD
1:44 PM
In that case, I'd say it works better written, because the i is pronounced so differently from il.
but maybe that sounds differently to french people :P
 
@JAD I must say, I don't find that "i" is much different than "il". You just added a letter but you can still ear the "i" very clearly (not like in "oi" for example)
 
JAD
Maybe my french is rusty :P
I'm trying to find a word for it, but I'm no linguist :P
but french has the tendency of sticking words together and swallowing vowels
 
@JAD idontknowhatyouretalkinabout
 
JAD
nonedutout
actually, rather, swallowing consonants at the end of words, depending on what word comes after
(correct me if I'm wrong btw)
So for example, that last t in tout wouldn't be pronounced
 
@JAD French do like tricks like that :P
 
1:54 PM
@JAD yup. If you say "à plus tard" (see you later), the s is silent. But if you go for its shorter version, "à plus" (see you), then you pronounce it. How weird is that for a French learner?
 
@JAD It would in the sentence "tout à fait"
 
JAD
Anyways, the way I would expect the i in iel to be pronounced differs from il in the sense of whether the consonant in the word before is swallowed or not
et iel parle francais sounds like it would be pronounced differently from et il parle francais in the sense that there would be a bigger emphasis on i.
@avazula It sucks on hearing tests, because not being able to tell words apart makes things very hard :P
but after a while I guess you get a feel for it
(and/or get that feel completely wrong)
 
2:17 PM
@JAD Two on etiquette, a third on basic interpersonal communication. The third one is going to take until March, the other two will arrive tomorrow (including 'de etiquette bijbel')
 
JAD
2:45 PM
sounds interesting
 
Yeah, I'm looking forward to reading them :)
 
 
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3:56 PM
Since I forgot to update: Laptop surgery was successful; hard drive transplanted and dead bugs removed, so hopefully that will have fixed the issue of smoke coming from under the laptop. Keyboard was taken out and put back in and now it works. Might go back in to see about transplanting some RAM later.
 
... dead bugs?
smoke?
 
@Mithrandir Did you have dead bugs virtually coming out of your laptop?
 
@JourneymanGeek Yes, it literally had dead beetles and stuff. That would cause the laptop to smoke.
 
o_o
 
That's why this hardware was retired for a while.
 
3:57 PM
hah
 
But, well, the old hardware had a broken mouse and broken monitor and it was getting kind of untenable, so... we dug into the graveyard yet again.
 
@Mithrandir That's not very ecofriendly :p
burying hardware
 
Heh. The graveyard is contained in a closet in our guest room ;)
 
*opens door* RAAAAAAMMMMMM *hurriedly closes door*
 
^And ElizB puts up with him? I'm impressed.
:P
 
4:12 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
4:30 PM
I'm wondering. When did we go from "See the person, not the disability" to where we are now?
 
@RichardU where are we now?
 
@scohe001 Well, one thing I have to deal with is people being offended on my behalf. Isn't that infantilizing a person? Suggesting that they're not strong enough to handle it themselves?
When I was growing up, we were heading the opposite direction. "Let him handle it himself, or he'll never be able to stand on his own"
 
@RichardU That's just... people do that for all sorts of stuff these days, not just disabilities (though it will stand out there more). I think it's the current society, where almost everyone has a pet peeve or 10 they want to see fixed :/
 
Hmm maybe. Or it could be someone who doesn't know enough about the situation but wants to help. Or someone who wants to be outraged and be "in the right" at all times (which I feel like I've seen a lot of lately)
 
@scohe001 Yeah, that second part is what I meant with current society. It seems to revolve a lot about taking a really activistic approach to whatever your view on life in general is.
 
4:35 PM
@Tinkeringbell one of the happiest moments in my life was the first time I stood up for myself in school. A kid made a snide comment "May your hearing aid batteries DIE!" and I said "May you follow them". The teacher was MAD AS HELL, but saw that I was unaffected, and a bit proud of myself, as I'd made a public jackass out of the kid who tried to pick on me.
Today, the teacher would step in, and nail the kid, and rob me of that victory
 
@RichardU That is a fantastic retort. That said, I'm of the opinion that it's generally a good thing that there seems to be a trend towards people standing up for others.
 
@RichardU Yes, and perhaps no... I can't really blame a teacher for doing so. Preventing 'bullying' has kinda become part of their job description, and with kids and their parents these days... Letting it slide even once can have some pretty serious consequences :/
 
@El'endiaStarman you should never do for someone what they can do for themselves.
 
@RichardU I think that depends on the teacher, but even if adults are getting "softer" on kids, there are even more places where kids interact now out of sight of adults than then, so I'm sure that bullying and opportunities for retorts like those are still rampant
 
@Tinkeringbell not teaching peole to stand on their own is doing them a great disservice.
 
4:38 PM
@RichardU yeah, I'm gonna disagree with that real hard.
 
@El'endiaStarman Why would you disagree with that? Doing for someone what they could and should do for themselves makes them weak.
 
@RichardU True... but I don't really want to use that argument to condone bullying in schools :/
 
@RichardU You're overgeneralizing too much.
 
I grew up autistic, hearing impaired, LD, and so terribly uncoordinated that I was picked last in Gym class, after all the girls. Talk about being bullied.
@Tinkeringbell the best way to stop bullying is to remove the targets by giving them the ability to fight back.
And, now, not only do I defend myself, but I'm very good at stopping it.
Back in the early 2000s, I ended a bullying ring online.
I also trolled a bunch of neo-nazis to the point where they left.
 
@RichardU Perhaps. I kinda liked it when I finally got a teacher to step in and I didn't have to fight back or learn to fight back harder anymore. Another way to stop bullying is to make sure people know that bullying isn't acceptable. And it's not upon the victim to always do so.
 
4:41 PM
@El'endiaStarman no, that's pretty specific. Would you start pulling items off the grocery shelves for someone in a wheelchair if they could reach them themselves without any difficulty?
@Tinkeringbell yeah, sometimes we FORMER victims step in and make life a living hell for the bullies.
I enjoy doing that. neo-nazis are my favorite target.
 
@RichardU I think what El'endia means is... my mom can perfectly fine make her own breakfast or do her own laundry... yet it's highly appreciated if I sometimes do it ;)
gotta run, dinner
 
@Tinkeringbell well, that is a favor for anyone, :D
 
JAD
soooooooo, we have 2 inches of snow and are breaking traffic records left and right
 
enjoy dinner.
@JAD y'all taking driving lessons from my state of New Jersey?
 
4:44 PM
@JAD It's funny, people have less difficulty driving down snowpack roads in Colorado than they do in half an inch in NJ
 
@RichardU I'mma call that a strawman. Where did I suggest such a thing?
Look, my issue is with the "never" in your statement.
 
JAD
@RichardU if you regularly have snowy weather you get more comfortable with it I guess
point is that it hasn't snowed all that hard
 
@El'endiaStarman ah, sorry. I tend to think in binary terms
 
> you should never do for someone what they can do for themselves. [emphasis mine]
 
JAD
chances are there isn't much of anything lying on the highways themselves
 
4:45 PM
I agree that always helping someone does not help them long-term.
 
@El'endiaStarman well, that's more of what I meant.
 
JAD
 
Helping people who are struggling is generally good (of course, it depends on the situation).
 
There's a lot of tough love that goes to people with disabilities.
 
JAD
colorado wouldn't bat an eye I'd suspect
 
4:47 PM
@Jad there is nothing more exhilarating than driving down solid ice on a dropoff road with no guard rail. Driving tests out there are pass/fail(notify next of kin)
 
JAD
@RichardU hahahahahaa dropoff
it's all as flat as a pancake
 
Colorado? Oh, you probably mean wherever you're from.
 
JAD
@El'endiaStarman nah, Richard mentioned people from colorado not caring a bit about 2 inches of snow
 
@El'endiaStarman yeah, the mountain passes are brutal. Not talking about the front range. That's just a lot of flat.
@JAD 2 inches in CO is called a "flurry"
 
Wait, I thought Colorado was basically all mountains.
 
JAD
4:50 PM
it's a matter of perspective
in Dutch standards, it probably is
given that our highest point of elevation is 300 odd meters
 
@El'endiaStarman well, there's the mountains, the "front range" which is the Kansas side, and the "grand Vally" which is the part close to Utah.
 
Ah, interesting!
 
Denver is right up against the mountains, and Grand junction is on the other side.
@El'endiaStarman yeah, the locals end up rescuing a good deal many European tourists who forget to drink their water, as dehydration catches up with them, never anything too serious. The serious problems are caused by Californians wanting to commune with nature, but who have never been outside of a major city.... facepalm
It is like an entirely different world out there.
They're right about the "dry heat", in the high desert. But what people don't know is that you have no signs of dhydration. It's so dry that your sweat evaporates before you feel wet, the air isn't humid and oppressive, and you could still be able to pee. But you're dehydrated before you know it.
It happened to me once. The way to get bye is to drink more than you think possible, then drink some more. You can go through a gallon of water or more a day to keep up.
 
That sounds like the sort of thing that would happen to American tourists, to be honest. Why European tourists in particular?
 
5:17 PM
@El'endiaStarman It's so dry, it catches the Europeans off guard. The Americans, esp from California, do worse though.
The Europeans are usually well equipped, but don't drink enough water.
The Americans are just ill equipped.
Esp in the mountains, you need to be well equipped because you can have the temperature fluctuate by 40-50 degrees or more in a single day. You can have it up to near 80 degrees in the day, then drop below freezing very quickly when the sun goes down
That happened to me once, driving from Grand Jucntion to Denver. Left, it was 78 degrees, drove right through a blizzard.
This was in under 4 hours
 
5:31 PM
That's crazy. Most extreme temperature swing I've experienced was in North Carolina where it was 72 F and sunny one day and then snow and ice on the ground the next morning.
 
 
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6:46 PM
@El'endiaStarman that's one reason why people who aren't local get in trouble. I've seen people hiking in shorts and completely unprepared for the temperature drop
 
7:02 PM
@Mithrandir ohhh thank you for recognizing the hard work I have, putting up with him! :D
@RichardU it's good to see you around. I hope you've been well. :)
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7:26 PM
@ElizB Have you been introduced to the wonderful world of userscripts already?
 
@Tinkeringbell no... heard of them but not used them
 
@ElizB There is one that can automatically select the messages from comment bot for cleanup, if you're interested :)
 
@Tinkeringbell Oh? hmm
 
@ElizB Your call ;)
 
🤷‍♀️ it's really fine either way.
 
7:29 PM
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thanks, I'll look into it. Preparing for my first day of classes tomorrow :D
 
Oooh. Exciting!
(or not? :P)
 
Yeah, haha that's the feeling I have. I'm looking forward to the classes, but not the work, haha
 
@ElizB Other than getting in an auto accident, I've been well. Good to see upi/
 
@RichardU ugh, oof. I hope you've recovered well, and what of the car?
 
7:36 PM
@ElizB The insurance company totaled it, so I'm not getting all my money back, but I'm fixing it. It's a good car otherwise.
 
@RichardU Ah, alright. The only experience I have with a car accident is a fender bender- i bumped someone from behind with my car, had to replace the internal guard and hood, it was bent :P the other car had a scratch, that's all.
 
@ElizB I was hit so hard that my entire passenger side wheelwell was destroyed, along with the fender and the bumper. I fixed the mechanical damage, but need the insurance check to fix the body.
The woman that hit me was given two tickets. The officer (and my mechanic) couldn't believe how much damage was done.
 
@RichardU ay yiyiyi... Sheesh.
@RichardU Ah, so those will take points off her license?
 
Yeah, she's getting at least 3 points, maybe, and there's a court date set up.
@ElizB and this happened in the work parking lot, so she could have killed someone.
The police were mad as all hell.
 
@RichardU oy, yeah. That's hella scary.
It was a nightmare going out today, we recently got something like a foot or so of snow, and the roads are tricky then the parking lots are horrible.
 
7:44 PM
@ElizB I drive a Chevy trailblazer, and she managed to do all that damage, and move the truck 5 feet sideways from the hit.
Yeah, people around here don't know how to handle snow and ice.
 
@RichardU That is somehow true of every region, apparently. It's weird.
 
@RichardU sheeeesh wow. how was her car? that should have done quite a bit of damage to hers as well
 
@ElizB, sadly, my truck took most of the damage, as my wheelwell took the direct hit.
@El'endiaStarman Well, in the Midwest, and New England states, they tend to do better, until you get to Massachusetts, where the massholes just don't know how to drive either.
 
New Jersey near NYC is pretty bad too.
 
@ElizB, that's not fair. It's all of NJ
 
7:50 PM
@RichardU heh, yeah
 
It was fun when I worked for the road department when I was young. I hated plowing in the cities, as they would actually attack the plows, they actually shot at one one year
 
Oh, I should clarify my statement: people forget how to drive in snow the first time it happens every year. In every region. Example: Edmonton in Alberta, Canada.
 
@El'endiaStarman well, that's a fair cop
When you're in the mountains though, you cam only forget once. No second chances.
 
Yup, that's right
 
8:20 PM
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9:59 PM
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