The Nineteenth Byte

@primo, does your solution to e use fractional arithmetic? because mine is super compressed and I don't think I could get much more with integer arithmetic.

Jo King

hmm, mine loops through every value, makes a set of all the values it can't be (i.e. columns, rows, box) and if the set is length 1, fill it in. Repeat 50 times

primo

@H.PWiz which language?

Jo King

That junction tip is really cool!

H.PWiz

@primo perl 6

primo

it's why i'm one byte ahead on a lot of challenges ;)

Jo King

3:06 AM

Let me see if I can implement it too!

primo

@H.PWiz FatRats

H.PWiz

Disappointing... I don't like golfing FatRats :(

primo

it's identical to the J solution, more or less

H.PWiz

I can believe that. Just got to figure out how to get the right number of digits, without having to fiddle with the string too much. At the risk of giving my python solution away, I use the same method as that

primo

3:22 AM

i don't know how many hours i've wasted trying to match your python solutions :p

i actually derived a new formula for pi-3

which got me from 68 to 67 >_<

haskell i just gave up

H.PWiz

@primo Does that mean something original, or a modification of an existing formula?

I dropped 1 or 2 bytes fairly recently by realising that I could use modified assignment, like I did in Javascript

The Haskell solutions on anagol for e and pi are loads shorter than mine, and I find the e one super frustrating because mine is definitely too complicated

primo

modified euler transform on the leibniz series

H.PWiz

(that's what I do)

primo

interesting

maybe your mod is better than mine

user202729

5:45 AM

@primo reassign EVAL to a different variable (if I recalled correctly).

primo

6:01 AM

@user202729 works

my &e=&EVAL;e("'foo'.say")

@JoKing's suggestion is shorter, though

"'foo'.say".EVAL

quartata

6:35 AM

Jan 31 '16 at 22:00, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm making a language called "oration" where your program can suffocate if it doesn't breathe often enough.

@ConorO'Brien what the fuck was the deal with thjs anyways. why did you think of it,

i spend most of my time (8-12 hours a day) trying to think not about suffocating

and you go spend a year making a language about it

Jo King

@primo You could also do use Test; if they ever patch it out

user202729

[Jelly] Help why does this segfault

tio.run/#%23y0rNyan8//9Rw0yFw/…

It's supposed to implement a recurrence relation

tio.run/#%23K6gsycjPM/7/… (in python)

quartata

6:51 AM

@user202729 must be a stack overflow

user202729

Of course...

but why doesn't it do the same as the python code

quartata

but in the C call stack so probably in a native call somewhere

something math

user202729

No, Python stackoverflow may also segfault.

Even though there is recursionlimit.

quartata

@user202729 yes, in a native call

user202729

@quartata Not necessarily.

tio.run/…

(that's when recursionlimit is intentionally set,

but sometimes the stack frame is large and only a few iterations is necessary)

quartata

6:54 AM

oh, i didn't realize the interpreter modified recursionlimit (ew)

then yeah RecursionError is only raised when exceeded, regular page fault likely to come first...

Downgoat

7:05 AM

@quartata would you happen to know how I can get errno if I'm linking w/ libc? I can't treat it as global variable because some implementations have it as macro

quartata

you dont know which libc youre targeting?

gotta parse the header

user202729

If it's a macro then it would not exist for the linker...

quartata

right thats the point

its replaced with some other symbol

Downgoat

@quartata >_< this is lot lot of work

quartata

although

its supposed to be declared extern i thought

user202729

7:09 AM

How do you need to "get" it? Its value?

As a workaround, you can compile a file with #include<...> int errno_ = errno; and use errno_...

quartata

the trouble is that each thread has its own errno i think

so the macro is actually doing a function call

i have no idea if that call is standardized by pthread

i suspect __errno_location() will always work on linux

but im sure BSD squirrels it away somewhere else

BSD is __error()

reading through the Win32 thread info spec is an exercise for the reader

@Downgoat

Downgoat

huh looks like rust just has specific behavior for each os

quartata

yeah thats what im saying

Downgoat

7:25 AM

how would I make it so something like GenericTuple<String>(name: "key", value: "Hello, World!") (generic construction) isn't ambiguous with A < B > C (two binary ops) where (name: "key", value: "Hello, World!") is a tuple?

curious how other langs resolve this which have (...) tuple syntax

quartata

i dont know of a language with both actually

the obvious solution is not to use angle brackets

hmm

i guess itd be ambiguous in Rust? let me see

ahh but its on the left side of assignment

Downgoat

swift does this

quartata

well it looks like for rust since the generic can be inferred from an rvalue its not a problem

"tuple" stays on the right, generic stays on the left

no idea about swift

user202729

7:43 AM

Ok, I figured out the problem. (Jelly)

ß has arity -1 while parsing.

So ¥ thinks ß’} is a LCC and tries to pop another link.

I remember having problems with the arity -1 once...

Mar 29 at 3:10, by user202729

Why does https://tio.run/##y0rNyan8//9RwwwrY5VHjTsPTzi08P///yZGliaWZuZGlmYA work but https://tio.run/##ASIA3f9qZWxsef//4oCYOjPCteKBucOQwqH///80Mjk0OTY3Mjk2 doesn't?

A better workaround would be parsing each link once for each arity or only parse a link when it's called.

caird coinheringaahing

2:26 PM

CMC: Given a positive integer n, output the nth Fibonacci number. Your score is the fewest unique characters used

Inspiration

flawr

3:35 PM

I was just reading something that tripped me up: Is this correct english? It has previously successfully been applied.

aditsu

@cairdcoinheringaahing I got 4 characters: is.gd/xNS2mg

oh wait I think I can get 3

@cairdcoinheringaahing 3 characters: is.gd/Pfq56o

@flawr sounds ok to me, although I think "previously" would suggest "had" rather than "has"

quartata

@flawr theres technically nothing wrong with it but youre right it reads awfully. i would write "it has previously been applied successfully"

aditsu

yeah I would also move "successfully" to the end

flawr

@aditsu @quartata thanks for the input, it just felt so wrong

quartata

if it reads bad its wrong. grammar is just a vain attempt to formalize the seething hivemind of a language

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zalgo

Riker

4:41 PM

tfw this application has ms silverlight as a dependency

and the last supported os version was win7 (not minimum, most recent) and os x 10.8 (out of 10.13)

Zacharý

5:12 PM

Or "successfully applied" as well

El'endia Starman

5:23 PM

I would go further and write it as "It was previously applied successfully." which is in a more active voice.

quartata

5:36 PM

thats better

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing brain/mini-flak, 102 bytes: Try it online!

Score, 6

I'm absolutely positive it could be shorter, but I'm really bad at mini-flak

quartata

its good that we have two messages dunking on linguists on the starboard now

this is good

Zacharý

O_O.

Why must you be this way?

quartata

linguists be gone

Zacharý

(the last one only really bashes proponents of a universal grammar, and I agree in bashing those people.)

quartata

5:50 PM

the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between modeling a language with probabilistic grammars and scooping out every single speakers brain like a pumpkin and hooking it up to the Matrix"

El'endia Starman

@quartata This message just looks blank to me.

quartata

twitter blocked

i was too lazy to find the original source image

El'endia Starman

Other option: upload to SE's Imgur.

quartata

6:23 PM

i assume everyone here has already seen this gofundme.com/jon-skeet-reading-the-c-6-spec-by-the-fire

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El'endia Starman

I had not!

quartata

well there you go

the goal has already been met but its still a good cause

and of course we might get more of the spec read the higher that Number goes folks,

Zacharý

6:41 PM

O_O. This is probably some form of ASMR to some people.

New Main Posts

7:31 PM

-1

Q: Diagonal of a cube

Given the measurement of the edge of a cube, output the 3D diagonal measurement of it. Valid input and output formats are all the usual ones. There will be no winner answer as it by language code golf.

Post Left Garf Hunter

8:17 PM

@quartata I'm glad someone has been putting lingiusts in they're place. I of had it out for them ever since that bourgaeious crypto-fascist, Noam Chompsky refused to support my amatuer Hot dog salespersons union.

quartata

@PostLeftGarfHunter wow. this is what happens when you smoke too much corporatism

chompsky probably doesnt even know how to smoke weed. he probably chomps it like its cabbage or something

Post Left Garf Hunter

"anarcho-syndicallist", yeah right. Maybe if he was wasting less time with "univeral-grammer" and spending more time smoking weed H'ed be able to support the true working class of part-time lunch meat vendors.

Instead he just calls me "jibbering" and "uncomprehensible". Guess what, in the real world people don't follow your linguist rules.

flawr

@PostLeftGarfHunter Who are you?

oh

:)

DJMcMayhem

@PostLeftGarfHunter @quartata That interaction was a wild ride from Start to finish

Post Left Garf Hunter

@DJMcMayhem Sorry lost my cool there a bit.

mınxomaτ

8:35 PM

A bit late to the party, but I just finished House of Leaves. Highly recommended.

flawr

@CornConjurer where did your old name go?

Post Left Garf Hunter

@flawr I will be able to change it back on the 15th

flawr

To @MilletMage?

Post Left Garf Hunter

I don't know to what yet

Zacharý

Just back to @WheatWizard ?

flawr

8:49 PM

too much gluten

@GlutenfreeGenie

Quintec

Ultimately confused

@quartata The old man the boat

Zacharý

9:10 PM

Heuristic: unknown name + high rep => WW

Might not work well in certain cases, but it definitely covers all of WW's username changes.

flawr

Heuristic: german accent + higher emissions than specified => VW

Quintec

9:29 PM

My life right now: trying to bowl my english essay while my friend was told by the teacher to golf his

flawr

can we help you?:)

what is it about?

El'endia Starman

10:03 PM

@flawr This is too golfed. Try: I am curious as to what the topic of your English essay is supposed to be.

Zacharý

Stuff like that.

flawr

10:21 PM

@El'endiaStarman I am, in fact, exceptionally interested in aquiring the knowledge of the nature of the matter that my dearest friend and beloved companion who I happened to stumble upon repeatedly in an pleasant place of conversation of a community that is dedicated to shorten and compress computer instructions to a minimum as well as various other delightful academic pursuits of untangling mysterious questions is required to express his so detailed thoughts about.

Zacharý

Don't go full wordiness-meme though.

That'll be too obvious.

Simple stuff like using "that" when it is not required. For example, "I am happy you met her" => "I am happy that you met her"

El'endia Starman

@flawr Very nice. Oh, oops, I mean... Your loquacious assemblage of vocabulary is indubitably magnificent!

...I doubt I've ever written a sentence with five or more words that are each 10+ letters before that one.

Especially not one with only eight words.

flawr

I thought you were learning german? :D

El'endia Starman

I haven't written that much German! :P

Zacharý

@El'endiaStarman I misread "that are each ..." as modifying "sentence", not "words" ._.

El'endia Starman

10:34 PM

Hahaha yeah, almost none of my sentences are 9- letters. :P

flawr

That'd be a case for TNBDE:)

Zacharý

Ugh, ambiguity even when describing ambiguity. .I meant, I thought each word in the sentence was 10+ letters.

@flawr Eh?

quartata

@DJMcMayhem that one was on me. i forgot where i keep the butterfly wing i use as a muzzle. its the only thing containing my Radical Rabiese

El'endia Starman

@Zacharý Oh, yeah, I don't think I've ever done that. It's very hard to do so without articles, prepositions, etc.

Post Left Garf Hunter

I was typing up a longer version of flawr's message but I hit the limit before I was nearly done

I'll have to post it in several parts

quartata

10:37 PM

make it multiline

multiline messages have no character limit

Post Left Garf Hunter

How?

quartata

shift enter

El'endia Starman

Shift + Enter
puts in a linebreak.

It *also*
breaks formatting. :(

Zacharý

@quartata Multi-line conversation sectionings possessn't restrictions concerning characters (my attempt at creating a version of this sentence using only 10+-character-words ... goodness that is a hard task to accomplish)

quartata

possessn't

Zacharý

10:45 PM

I had to ... I couldn't find any other way to negate meaning.

quartata

Tweeted by dasharez0ne on October 9, 2017 at 4:05 PM

El'endia Starman

@Zacharý And I don't think I would count multi-line as 10 letters anyway...

quartata

i count contractions as a typo

Zacharý

Notice how I said "Characters"

Pavel

Every Clojure Talk Ever - Alex Engelberg and Derek Slager

►

Quintec

10:47 PM

@Zacharý err... don't possess?

Zacharý

@Quintec 10+ characters per word...

El'endia Starman

@Zacharý Sneaky. I'm still not sure that it counts.

Quintec

dispossess? :P

antiundispossess?

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Zacharý

@El'endiaStarman Counts for what?

Quintec

@Zacharý Spaces are characters... :P

Zacharý

10:50 PM

@Quintec "words" being delimited by spaces.

Quintec

Here's many spaces!

Zacharý

,_,

This was just an informal joke.

Quintec

So's mine '-'

flawr

@Quintec lack?

Quintec

10+ characters as per Zachary

Zacharý

10:53 PM

If I could somehow make the subject singular ...

Quintec

I've seen many things happen today -> Perchance, I may have been observed in the act of observing countless interesting events occurring during the time period of sunset to sunrise during the date which corresponds to today.

Post Left Garf Hunter

The ice cracked under my feet. A moment of terror, a moment of weightlessness and then the shock of the cold water rushed up around me. I paralyzed me. I couldn't tell up from down, left from right. The water hugged my body. Constricting. I kicked furiously hoping that this way is up, trying to free myself from its grasp. The air is even colder than the water, but I welcomed it's embrace. Even as I dragged myself out onto the banks the water still held on. My waterlogged coat kept the water's icy finger's grip on me. But I had won. I was free. Even now I can still remember the feel…

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Quintec

I suppose I just won't tell you so you compose something like that again tomorrow

El'endia Starman

11:08 PM

@mınxomaτ This is surprisingly hard!

Quintec

@El'endiaStarman Some of these make no sense whatsoever out of context

Neil

@PostLeftGarfHunter a stray apostrophe crept into your second its

Post Left Garf Hunter

I also have the wrong tense on an "is".

feersum

11:24 PM

See, this is why I don't believe in writing explanations to my code golf answers.

If you say what it is, it's just a dull fact that makes one's eyes glaze over. While the bare code incites the imagination of observers to passionate intensity.

I believe that in many cases, the code alone provides more enjoyment to readers, as well as attracting more votes.

El'endia Starman

@Quintec I've also seen multiple instances where the image isn't in the article anymore.

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