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12:00 AM
and asking someone to jump on your back
 
Yea, that's what I'll do.
 
may cause trauma
 
My kids will enjoy it actually.
 
@Nick why u up my dude iz 5:30 am
@Nick why u up my dude iz 5:30 am
@MichaelFrank oh right. u have kids. wtf i will have to have kidz someday
well not have to
idk if i want to
i should study bye
 
12:19 AM
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im this borken now
and ugly
ok maybe not just quite this much
but almost
 
12:34 AM
GUYS
I REPCAPPED
I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER NOW
EVEN THOUGH I KNOW I'M GOING TO DO MISERABLY TODAY
OMG WAIT
I AM FIVE POINTS FROM A REPCAP
THIS IS GREAT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Here's a trick to getting people to actually read your answers and upvote: don't. make. them. walls. of. text. ugh. superuser.com/questions/1374979/…
omg almost at 3k yay
> top 0.51% this week
any excitement and cheerful news is good at this point
 
1:16 AM
@HornOKPlease @noitsbecky thoughts on these to use as super cheap but not-too-bad servers? <link removed>
I know the vid is crappy, but, yeah...
 
@rahuldottech the last model, the Xserver 3,1, runs Nehalem, which, combined with the number of cores on a dual CPU one, is probably decent for non-intensive tasks if you have the bandwidth locally to do whatever you need on it from the net... super power hungry though which might be a factor for you
 
@HornOKPlease ok, thx
 
just saying, yanno, if you're trying to scrimp and save that much that you're looking at 2009 beaters, the electricity cost would probably be a significant factor for you (meaning you might get in trouble with your parents? or whoever? if you leave itn on 24/7)
 
@HornOKPlease Yeah, if it's too power intensive then I won't be getting any
And just continue using really old laptops
Huh, a govt hackathon
> Technology Domains:

AI
IoT
Telecom
Blockchain
Cyber Security
Intelligent Apps
Analytics, ML
Robotics, AR/VR
Biotechnology [BioPharma, AgriTechnology, BioServices, BioIndustrial, BioInformatics, Bio Energy BioFuels]
So... Every buzzword out there?
 
1:37 AM
@rahuldottech they didn't mention cloud
 
@HornOKPlease in there somewhere, probably
Or maybe it's just implied
> DigitalOcean Cloud credits worth $100 to each of the participants.
Huh
 
2:03 AM
@rahuldottech See if you can get something like a Xeon D system. These processors are far more powerful than what you're looking at yet consume much less power.
Current Xeon D processors are based on Skylake-SP but are tuned for lower power.
Speaking of which... given that everyone here, even the much worse-off @rahuldottech, is working on meaningful projects, I need to be doing something useful rather than wasting time. Back to Docker.
 
@HornOKPlease @rahuldottech quite honestly? There's only one really good use for a xserv - legal apple virtualisation ;p
@rahuldottech what are you looking at in a server?
start with your needs and your budget, then work through it
 
Otherwise... get an earlier-generation Xeon E3 system, but if you can don't go earlier than Haswell (E3 v3).
 
@bwDraco Good stuff, I've been working through FreeCodeCamp to learn webdev stuff, and I picked up a Raspberry Pi the other day so I could install a PiHole on my network
 
2:19 AM
Anything earlier than the Haswell generation is going to cost you more to run per unit of performance, and may be missing useful technologies. If you're going as far back as Nehalem, you are using far more power than you need to get your work done.
 
@rahuldottech do you need, for example remote access or just something you can manage remotely?
 
For example, you lose AVX2 capability with Ivy Bridge and earlier.
 
do you need/want a ton of ram?
where are your laptops falling short?
 
When would you not want more RAM?
 
@MichaelFrank its about minmaxing.
 
2:24 AM
For the sake of the environment (because energy consumption)... can someone here donate or subsidize the purchase of a modern, efficient server for @rahuldottech?
 
I might not need as much ram
@bwDraco I don't think that's particularly what he's looking at.
I think he's looking at options
and I don't think anyone here has a rack at home or will ;p
 
I used to run Hyper-V Server on an old laptop FWIW.
 
I have 2 NUCs and an industrial PC - though I dare not run one for long.
@rahuldottech a quick look at the specs and erm...
I think your phone might be faster.
 
 
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3:58 AM
Feb 6 '16 at 23:08, by allquixotic
I might buy myself an XPoint something or other for Christmas 2018 -- that's about the earliest I can realistically fathom
@HornOKPlease, you getting Optane this holiday season?
 
need a printer. a really cheap one.
possibly with a backdoor through which the print queue can be remotely accessed.
 
@bwDraco HAH! I might not, actually. I'm happy with what I've got. :)
 
@Nick Most printers have a backdoor, but their mostly used for clearing paper jams. ;)
Sometimes the top just opens and you can remove the paper that way
 
4:14 AM
@Nick most cheap printers probably don't store it
 
@MichaelFrank har har. This one is for my uni.
@JourneymanGeek good. They don't need some punk kid stealing tests.
@rahuldottech autojoin, 'tis not always I.
 
4:31 AM
ugh
 
4:56 AM
Jan 28 at 7:24, by bwDraco
There is absolutely no excuse for me to be wasting time doing meaningless things when I could be working on the same sorts of projects, learning JavaScript/PowerShell/Docker/LXD/ZFS/whatever while simultaneously meeting all of my personal and professional obligations.
!!/headdesk
 
On Matrix:
> [...] the idea that not working on a useful project is dishonorable in a community where every major member has one might be itself a motivation.
 
actually I wanna thank you
I was just about ready to resign myself to another hour-plus of youtube before going to bed, but instead I'm going to try to make progress on one of my umpteen projects, Shia LaBeouf style
JS, you say? nodeschool.io
a friend of mine who's a mid-20s English teacher is going through that and says it's pretty accessible even for a non-techie, you should have no problem
 
 
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6:30 AM
@bwDraco nah, it's just me playing around as a hobby. Nothing serious.
Okay so at least that terrible exam is behind me
And I can now focus on the subjects I like
:)
@JourneymanGeek just something cheap to play around with. Stream a couple webcams over HTTP, a static webserver, etc.
TBH my laptop servers work just fine
 
@rahuldottech the cheaper varients of my router work well
Even have real serial ports
 
@JourneymanGeek hmm. I might get one when I have more pocket money saved up and a decent idea of what I want to do with it.
 
Also they are only 36w at most
 
@rahuldottech Well... characterizing it as a hobby rather than an obligation might relieve stress that is making it harder rather than easier...
It's getting late here. I may continue to discuss strategic changes to my learning projects tomorrow as time allows; I have a driving lesson scheduled for 12:30 pm.
 
6:53 AM
@bwDraco dude of course it's not an obligation
I work sporadically. Go look at my GitHub graph
I do stuff when I feel like it. Sometimes I spend half a year not coding much. No biggie. I do other stuff to keep myself busy, like make music or watch movies or read
Variety is nice
But if you feel like making stuff but you're still not making stuff, there's something you need to fix
If you don't feel like making stuff... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Stop worrying about it
But if you feel like making stuff but you're still not making stuff, there's something you need to fix
 
I totally will sit on a problem till I know wtf to do
But talking about talking about doing stuff is pointless
 
7:53 AM
I DID IT BOIS
I'm at 3k on SU!
YAY!
 
8:09 AM
Noice!
 
8:28 AM
@rahuldottech yay
 
8:47 AM
So that 20Mbit line yesterday? Now upto 80Mbit...
 
9:00 AM
. spam superuser.com/questions/1375238/… @JourneymanGeek
 
@djsmiley2k someone else nuked it :p
 
 
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10:02 AM
@rahuldottech Thoughts on link removed? Meh, can do better.
 
@noitsbecky it was an old xserve
still true tho ;p
 
11:03 AM
> A research team—including many of the original researchers behind Meltdown, Spectre, and the related Foreshadow and BranchScope attacks—has published a new paper disclosing yet more attacks in the Spectre and Meltdown families. The result? Seven new possible attacks. Some are mitigated by known mitigation techniques, but others are not. That means further work is required to safeguard vulnerable systems.
Oh jeez
urgh
feeling kinda low, tired, bit rubbish etc.
got no.... go get em :/
makes work D:
I wanna ssh from my vm to our firewall's management interface, but right now, no worky D:
 
11:29 AM
1809's back....
 
11:52 AM
yey
fixed routing \o/
Now I just want to sleep
even with this energy drink.
 
12:29 PM
@noitsbecky link is after two message
Xserve
 
no
 
(Not if you're at work tho. People around you might get, well, annoyed)
 
wtf is that
 
i tried to warn you...
 
sigh
/me ponders rickrolling @rahuldottech all the time
 
1:04 PM
lol, joke's on you, I actually like the song
 
kid
I'm from the 80s
I WILL find horrors that will scar you
 
lmao
 
i get the feeling that @rahuldottech's parents are about our age @JourneymanGeek
 
naw, probably a leetle older
 
@Burgi Older
 
1:08 PM
50s and 60s
 
@JourneymanGeek nah, '68, '71
 
I think 18 is kinda the modern minimum, and if sooooo....
 
@JourneymanGeek Speaking of, have you hear Rick Astley's latest thing? It is or was getting a fair amount of airplay over here
Dude can sing!
 
@bertieb oh he can
 
@bertieb listening to it now. The video is cool
Except that bit where he pleasures himself with a hose. That's kinda weird.
;p
 
1:11 PM
Wait what
 
I'm at work people
 
@bertieb lmao, at the beginning
 
I'm curious, have headphones but mah bandwidth
 
0_0
@rahuldottech I... I think we're watching different videos? :P
 
1:13 PM
Yuppers :P
To be fair, yours is more recent
But I was unaware of it
Ha! I see what you mean
Very tempted to post a still
 
I was just going to
 
But geek would shout bark at me
:P
 
But people here actually go to work, so...
 
I mean, it's not exactly NSFW
 
when was the last time you needed a DB9 to D25 cable D:
 
1:15 PM
But out of context, it might garner some odd looks
 
Yeah, but it might still raise eyebrows
exactly
@djsmiley2k a wot
 
@djsmiley2k I think I have a DB9 to USB somewhere?
Think I needed it for that gigabit switch I mentioned a while back (Allied Telesis/Telesyn)
 
I have a system with an actual DB9
 
@djsmiley2k ohhhh. DVI?
 
@rahuldottech get off my lawn
 
1:16 PM
lol
 
DB25 is the original serial cable
DB9 is more common and what everyone's seen
 
IIRC they also used db25 for parallel ports, where it was a lot more common
 
oooh that reminds me
I know firewire had issues and stuff
But it had this really cool daisy-chaining thingy
Which I always wanted to try
Because it seems so cool
PC->disk1->disk2->disk3->disk4
 
@JourneymanGeek Ya, I think I still have a printer or two kicking around with a DB-25 receptable
 
1:18 PM
not many of the devices had pass-throughs
 
And you can access all of them, using up only one port on your PC? cool stuff.
 
@rahuldottech Can do that nowadays with (mini?) DP, thunderbolt (I think?) and others?
 
like USB, how many devices can you daisychain?
 
But cool for its time, sure
 
@JourneymanGeek me too
 
1:19 PM
@Burgi Can't daisychain USB, right? Need a hub
 
[cheap] USB hubs sucked
 
we regularly use it to configure new routers.
@rahuldottech wut
lol no
 
@djsmiley2k yeah, my bad
looked it up
 
@rahuldottech you can daisychain the hubs...
it was the licensing costs that killed firewire
 
@Burgi I actually don't think I've ever seen a device which uses firewire tho. Before my time. The oldest digital camera I have is from 2004 or so, and even that had USB.
 
1:21 PM
 
@rahuldottech my first ipod was firewire
1 sec
 
@Burgi I always wanted an ipod shuffle. I still do. Dunno where to get one tho.
 
i have one you can have
 
I used my old iPod[s] as a portable USB drive
I nearly said "cheap" USB drive
But, uh
 
@bertieb the kid in Jackie Chan's Spy Next Door does that, iirc
 
1:23 PM
I mean, something something sunk cost as I'd bought it as an MP3 player anyway
 
my old barebones system from 2003 had a firewire port
 
@rahuldottech I'm in good company then :D
 
My case has one :p
 
I think case n-1 has one
If not, case n-2
 
i was going to photograph it for @rahuldottech but i realised its actually at my GFs house now...
 
1:24 PM
Hah
 
@JourneymanGeek one of my 2006 laptop servers has the mini ones
1394, iirc
 
4-conductor ones
 
actually many cameras and boxen of the era had it
laptop -2 had one
 
a friend of mine used to buy lacie harddrives because they came with firewire
he is such an apple fanboy
again, licensing costs killed it
 
1:27 PM
@Burgi pretty much
I assume thunderbolt licencing is saner?
 
not sure, i've only ever seen thunderbolt on apple products
 
Honestly, just get rid of licensing to make a protocol famous. Then make money off good products which use it
 
I've seen it on sony cameras and quite a few laptops
 
@Burgi all modern ultrabooks have it, as do non-super-inexpensive motherboards
It's an intel standard iirc
But apple worked with them on it?
dunno
 
@Burgi a lot of modern laptops have tbolt3
desktops... less so?
 
1:29 PM
> Thunderbolt is the brand name of a hardware interface standard developed by Intel that allows the connection of external peripherals to a computer.
@JourneymanGeek hey quick rant
 
also DP daisychaining is a bit of a hack
 
the only laptops we have in the office are macbooks
 
my razer has it - its a critical feature since you can use their docks for a better graphics card
 
wtf is up with the idiots who decided to develop usb c and those who decided to use usb c for tb
its so stupid
 
@rahuldottech the tech is smart
but its inconsistant
 
1:30 PM
like bro
you get a device with usb c
 
the whole nice thing about TB is its a physical interface that can do many things
 
you have no idea what it will support
 
@rahuldottech I blame marketing for that
 
Power? Display out? Data? other-tb-stuff?
 
I even have an answer about it
@rahuldottech 10gbps networking over TB? ;p
 
1:31 PM
@JourneymanGeek they just need to come up with 1) numbers or 2) icons which they print near the port
to tell us what it can do
 
@rahuldottech they do the latter...
 
It's not that hard, man
 
inconsistantly
 
@JourneymanGeek exactly
At most, you'll have one for display, or one for tb3, or one for power (?)
 
well ya
 
1:32 PM
ugh, stupid stupid stupid do they never learn from the past
 
Awwww man
i got the warning about going away from inbox :(
 
Speaking of Shia LaBeouf... @bwd @horn
@djsmiley2k The gmail app?
 
@Burgi oh god
the realisation that everything you've ever owned or cared about is now in someone elses house.
 
1:38 PM
the PC is still here :)
 
@JourneymanGeek So instead of 20 different standards for connectivity, we have one standard, implemented in 20 different ways?
XKCD time.
 
@djsmiley2k precisely
 
Like Apple and the EU ruling for USB charging
All other phone manufacturers: usb on both ends of the cable
Apple: FU WORLD.
 
Apple is the new Sony?
OUR PRODUCT OUR STANDARD OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY
 
@bertieb tb3 is intel tbf
 
1:49 PM
Ish
LightPeak, yea
Apple: hey Intel can you modify this and also exclusively license it to us?
Intel: yeah, but only for a while
Last year? 2016? I forget
2015?
shrug
 
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