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@SmokeDetector Why was this caught twice?

Charlie Brumbaugh

This outdoors.stackexchange.com/a/19699 is spam

Videonauth

!!/report outdoors.stackexchange.com/a/19699

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Do squirrels have front and full peripheral vision? by Lory on outdoors.SE

tpu- by Videonauth

!!/watch maxwell\Wthe\Wsquirrel

1:11 PM

@Zoe Added maxwell\W*the\W*squirrel to watchlist

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev be25673 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of maxwell\Wthe\Wsquirrel by Zoe --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

!!/blacklist-website-force fvdtube\.com

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@tripleee That pattern looks like it's already caught by Bad ns for domain in answer and Bad ns for domain in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

@Zoe anybody with enough rep on Biology to leave a comment before that one is nuked?

@tripleee Blacklisted fvdtube\.com

I'm thinking the spamming squirrel may merely need a bit of gentle netiquette education

too late now

1:14 PM

Sure, assuming it's 50 rep to comment I have enough

CI on d9c8e4f succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

AAND it's gone

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@Zoe we all have 101 at least because of the assiciation bonus, this has to do with being a reasonably trusted user on the site you comment on

not sure what the limit should be but ideally over 1k I think

!!/allspam superuser.com/users/889966/siddharth-saxena

1:17 PM

Oh

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 1 out of 4): When to partition the hard drive? by Siddharth saxena on superuser.com

though I have only barely worked myself up to 500 on Linguistics, and feel confident to comment there (if I ever see spam there) because I have been fairly active recently

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 2 out of 4): How do I enter the BIOS on Windows 10? by Siddharth saxena on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 3 out of 4): What is the shortcut for taking screenshots on Windows 8? by Siddharth saxena on superuser.com

!!/watch windowsclassroom\.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 4 out of 4): I had 6 GB RAM, now Windows is telling me I have only 2 GB. Where's the other 4 gone? by Siddharth saxena on superuser.com

tpu- by Zoe on When to partition the hard drive? [MS]

tpu- by Zoe on How do I enter the BIOS on Windows 10? [MS]

tpu- by tripleee on What is the shortcut for taking screenshots on Windows 8? [MS]

@ByteCommander Added windowsclassroom\.com to watchlist

1:18 PM

!!/report askubuntu.com/a/1047570/367990

tpu- by tripleee

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 86572f7 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of windowsclassroom\.com by Byte Commander --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

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@ByteCommander Why is that all spam? Sure, it's undisclosed self promotion, but it is an attempt to answer the question, and I think a comment would be sufficient to get that message across.

He exclusively keeps posting answers with links to that one site, even in places where it surely doesn't fit.

It's also excessive promotion

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 2 out of 2): How can I set up dual monitor display with ATI driver? by Siddharth saxena on askubuntu.com

@ByteCommander Post 1: That does not look like a valid post URL.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Toxic body detected: java saml pac4j mvc callback settings by Gilbert on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Zoe on How can I set up dual monitor display with ATI driver? [MS]

1:21 PM

@ByteCommander Where doesn't it fit? I glanced through their profile and it seemed to fit in all the posts I looked at.

tp- by Zoe

At least the Windows 10 answer on AskUbuntu doesn't fit at all

That was the one I spotted. Then I checked the profile and found all answers contain the same domain.

@ByteCommander Ah, missed that one. That's definitely spam.

But the superuser answers seem fine, if OP would edit in a disclosure of affiliation.

Maybe this is a matter of opinion/site size, but if I saw a spam flag on posts like that on my site, I'd comment first, give OP a day or more to edit in affiliation, then vote to delete.

iBug

Any more comments on this one?

informally it would be nice to collect statistics on #drugs promotions but I have not had the time for that and that doesn't prevent you from merging that ticket, so just a quick ack that this is a good idea but I don't think it makes sense to hold merging in the hope that somebody is sitting on something to add to it

re: testosterone I think the reasoning is roughly watch << blacklist << hard-coded keyword -- if something in there is generating FPs it's more challenging to fix than just moving a blacklist entry to watch or removing it entirely, both in terms of technical requirements and psychological threshold

there are valid posts asking about testosterone on e.g. Health, Biology, Workplace, and Chemistry so we really don't want to hardcode it in

"testo" is also slightly problematic; for example, it means "text" in Italian

iBug

1:34 PM

testo is unlikely to catch extra Italian

yeah, I don't think there's a high probability of FPs, but there will inevitably sooner or later be an Italian programmer whose variable contains text

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: What is the shortcut for taking screenshots on Windows 8? by Siddharth saxena on superuser.com

tpu- by iBug

iBug

@tripleee No, given that that reason requires three different keywords appear together separated by exactly one space or hyphen, it's not going to catch Italian programs

Or two different keywords appear twice

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching product name in body: fat cells in the body until the finish of time by Brazilboyzs on superuser.com

tpu- by iBug

user deleted ... we might never find out if it was a legit account

^^^ for the windows classroom posts

their DNS was by siteground.us, anybody familiar with that? looks like we could watch that NS

1:51 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected: Purple Screen frozen upon reboot by Hojat Ahmadian on askubuntu.com

tpu- by WELZ

naa- by tripleee

Seems pretty rude to me.

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 367c24e (tripleee: watch NS siteground.us --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 14129.

yeah, I was borderline on that one

SiteGround

SiteGround is a web hosting company founded in 2004 and servicing more than 1,000,000 domains worldwide. It provides shared hosting, cloud hosting and dedicated servers. Currently, the company employs over 500 people. == Server infrastructure and setup == SiteGround has data centers in 5 countries, the United States, the Netherlands, UK, Milan (Italy) and Singapore. SiteGround runs CentOS, Apache, MySQL, PHP and WHM/cPanel on its servers. The company has developed software solutions for account isolation, monitoring and reaction, and speed-optimization, sold under the 1H brand and used by other...

not exactly a mom+pop shop but all the hits I see are shady

Recovered from websocket._exceptions.WebSocketConnectionClosedException: socket is already closed.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in title: Tags that can be added to drive organic SEO by Matt on webmasters.SE

fp- by ByteCommander

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Как интегрировать 1С с интернет-магазином? by Карл Егоров on ru.stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Интеграция интернет-магазина с 1с by Андрей Эмиров on ru.stackoverflow.com

Recovered from websocket._exceptions.WebSocketConnectionClosedException: socket is already closed.

Recovered from ssl.SSLError: [SSL: BAD_LENGTH] bad length (_ssl.c:2130)

tpu- by Zoe

tpu- by Zoe on Как интегрировать 1С с интернет-магазином? [MS]

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naa by WELZ on Purple Screen frozen upon reboot [MS]

2:29 PM

@SmokeDetector n

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!!/report ru.stackoverflow.com/a/843596/181100

!!/alive

@ThomasWard ... did I miss something?

um...?

2:31 PM

...

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the hell?

!!/restart

Goodbye, cruel world

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 367c24e (tripleee: watch NS siteground.us --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

@ArtOfCode I think Flovis exploded again, broke a report.

Quite a moment I picked to come by

2:32 PM

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!!/location

@WELZ teward/Solar Flare

@WELZ It might, but I forget.

@ThomasWard doesn't it need to be in quotes? (also you missed the /)

Smokey, so help me god if you explode again I will murder you with a blunt-pointed spork.

It's still failing either way

2:33 PM

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Now what is a spork though?

!!/report ru.stackoverflow.com/a/843596/181100 "Originally reported by D-side during a SmokeDetector failure."

@ByteCommander Camping tool which is a spoon and fork in one.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Как интегрировать 1С с интернет-магазином? by Карл Егоров on ru.stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Mithrandir

@D-side i think Smokey was just being a PITA

which has become the norm since Flovis, apparently.

@D-side It turns out it was already caught by smokey 20 min ago.

2:35 PM

Flovis? I must have missed a lot

@WELZ ooh. True.

@SmokeDetector Duplicate report of metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/123856

Mithrandir

Jun 5 at 16:58, by ArtOfCode

Early version of Farmhouse is up. Take a look and throw FRs at me on GH.

4 messages deleted

> Body - Position 34-41: seo.com

This is quite an unexpected match :)

tp by teward

tp by teward on Как интегрировать 1С с интернет-магазином? [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body: how to find best packers and movesr in pune? by balajicargopackerspune on superuser.com

tpu- by grgarside

2:46 PM

!!/watch balaji\Wcargo\Wpackers\W*pune

@Zoe Added balaji\W*cargo\W*packers\W*pune to watchlist

!!/watch balajicargopackers\.in

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev ccd4d39 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of balaji\Wcargo\Wpackers\Wpune by Zoe --autopull*) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

@WELZ Added balajicargopackers\.in to watchlist

Restart: API quota is 13481.

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2:59 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer: Slider-box overflows the page and makes it auto scroll by Mirine on stackoverflow.com

naa- by ByteCommander

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected, potentially bad keyword in body, toxic body detected: How does this work by Manannananam on japanese.SE

tpu- by ByteCommander

naa by Praveen on Slider-box overflows the page and makes it auto scroll [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected, potentially bad keyword in body: Replace Bad Words from Input Multiple Choice of Words by MelissaHicking on stackoverflow.com

fp- by Zoe

3:16 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected: How can I cut popsicle craft sticks without splitting them? by Majik Wizard on crafts.SE

tpu- by Mithrandir

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: Prevent Being Spoofed Call/Text by SenorContento on stackoverflow.com

fp- by Zoe

Restart: API quota is 13033.

Recovered from websocket._exceptions.WebSocketConnectionClosedException: socket is already closed.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Korean character in title, mostly non-Latin body, mostly non-Latin title, potentially bad keyword in body, blacklisted user: 【대구출장샵추천】 (KA톡miss9900) 주소 MISS9900점com by 카톡 miss9900출장샵추천 on webapps.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer: CPU is over utilised and unable to find out the root cause by Alioua on serverfault.com

fp- by Glorfindel

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: Launch vpn with python script by salaheddine Rmaili on stackoverflow.com

3:59 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: supplementgems.com/dermagen-iq-uk/ by waltakdgkds on apple.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: What is the best plugin for a Quiz website? by user116380 on ux.SE

4:18 PM

fp- by doppelgreener on Launch vpn with python script [MS]

tpu- by doppelgreener on http://supplementgems.com/dermagen-iq-uk/ [MS]

tpu- by doppelgreener

doppelgreener

@SmokeDetector f

actually might not be spammy...

despite them spamming that elsewhere

Oh, it got spam-removed. I'll call that a yes.

@doppelgreener I disagree since all the links point to the same exact website

doppelgreener

@SmokeDetector k

@ThomasWard one of them doesn't but otherwise yes

actually if you expand the links, they end up pointing back at ${INSERT_BUSINESS_HERE} even though it's through another site

(I have a Tor browser with extreme levels of noscript blocks, so I tested in that :P)

4:31 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username: command/usr/bin/codesign failed with exit code 1- code sign error by Umar on stackoverflow.com

@SmokeDetector fpu

@Makyen Registered answer as false positive and whitelisted user.

fp- by Makyen on Como posso garantir que minha API será usada apenas os recursos que desejo que ele use? [MS]

Recovered from ssl.SSLError: [SSL: BAD_LENGTH] bad length (_ssl.c:2130)

5:06 PM

Restart: API quota is 11976.

5:17 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: Compatible hard drives for Powervault MD3000i by ivcubr on serverfault.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: What's the best way to keep your shirt tucked in? by Rafael on lifehacks.SE

@SmokeDetector IMO, this is TP (despite the multiple NAA feedbacks). While it's an expression of frustration and only mildly offensive, it has no content. It can't be edited into an answer, or question. Thus, it's unrecoverable. If it was possible to edit this into an answer, then great, let's do that and call it FP. But, it's not even an attempt to answer, and it is offensive to some people. Thus, IMO, red-flags are appropriate.

Note: My spam flag was marked helpful. I don't have the rep to determine if that was automatic due to multiple red-flags, a moderator, or deleted from review.

DavidPostill

5:35 PM

!!/report superuser.com/a/1324868/337631

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: MS Office 2016 Standard MAK product key migration by produkey on superuser.com

fp- by DavidPostill on Compatible hard drives for Powervault MD3000i [MS]

tpu- by DavidPostill on What's the best way to keep your shirt tucked in? [MS]

tpu- by DavidPostill

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title: What font is used by www.behance.net/gallery/5925635/ColorClaim? by user393807 on meta.SE

fp- by DavidPostill

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title: Are all the holocaust witnesses jews or nazis? by Smapa Apa on skeptics.SE

tpu- by DavidPostill

Restart: API quota is 11517.

5:53 PM

@SmokeDetector This user posted a trolling-like Holocaust post on Politics 4 days ago. @JF indicated at that time that "This has the same carrier+os+country info as I’ve seen with the Holocaust troll in the past."

J F

@SmokeDetector Also, it’s one of their standard question titles.

Recovered from websocket._exceptions.WebSocketConnectionClosedException: socket is already closed.

J F

Could one of the mods in here ping someone on Politics to get the account above destroyed?

DavidPostill

@JF Will do.

6:09 PM

Restart: API quota is 11357.

J F

ty

6:26 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: adblock for videos in Android webview by Shakib Uz-Zaman on stackoverflow.com

fp- by NobodyNada

6:40 PM

Recovered from websocket._exceptions.WebSocketConnectionClosedException: socket is already closed.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: How does the linux thumbnails cache work? by Anony User on stackoverflow.com

6:55 PM

Restart: API quota is 10944.

fp- by DavidPostill

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Toxic answer detected: Is there a ROBLOX player for Ubuntu 18.04? by Hickory87 on askubuntu.com

naa- by NobodyNada

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is there a better way to format these 3 intergers (hours, mins, secs) to 00:00:00 by Anselmo Blanco Dominguez on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: "Who lives there" vs "Who live there?" by Linguisticpasca on linguistics.SE

fp- by NobodyNada

fp- by NobodyNada on Is there a better way to format these 3 intergers (hours, mins, secs) to 00:00:00 [MS]

7:11 PM

!!/test Who lives there

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

!!/test "Who lives there" vs "Who live there?"

> Bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 19-31: vs "Who live
Username - Position 19-31: vs "Who live

!!/test "Who lives

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

7:12 PM

...?

!!/test "Who live

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

!!/test "who live" vs "who live"

> Bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 10-21: vs who live
Username - Position 10-21: vs who live

> Bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 11-23: vs "who live
Username - Position 11-23: vs "who live

oh, it's probably from a basketball regex

7:15 PM

> Bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 12-24: vs "who live
Username - Position 12-24: vs "who live

"vs...live"

!!/test vs asdfasdf live

> Bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 1-17: vs asdfasdf live
Username - Position 1-17: vs asdfasdf live

oh

It's probably to catch some of the posts promoting "watch someteam vs someotherteam live"

exactly

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/…

\bvs\b.*\b(live|vivo)\b

I have an idea for dev, if you respond to a smokey report with "why regex" (or a better term tbd) that it responds each regex that triggered those reasons, and possibly also includes a link to each line (if it isn't too much).

7:19 PM

@WELZ I've been thinking about that, although IIRC @Art didn't think it was a good idea to implement in Smokey

Jun 11 at 18:08, by ArtOfCode

Feels kinda like something Halflife could do

Jun 11 at 18:08, by ArtOfCode

Heavy analysis like that is usually better in not-Smokey

instead of analysis, can it just remember what caused it to catch it in the first place?

@WELZ no

Restart: API quota is 10717.

Everything from bad_keywords.txt is combined into one regex

Maybe we should make a new bot which does just that.

ArtOfCode

7:22 PM

cough halflife cough

@ArtOfCode is halflife the thing that runs on Charcoal Test?

ArtOfCode

prolly

tripleee's thing

ping pong @tripleee

Mithrandir

7:38 PM

@NobodyNada ya

Anyone could also slap a PR at github.com/Charcoal-SE/Halflife

@Mithrandir Great, does it have access to SmokeDetector's codebase?

Mithrandir

shrugs search me

7:53 PM

Recovered from ssl.SSLError: [SSL: BAD_LENGTH] bad length (_ssl.c:2130)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: Pyautogui keypresses only working with some keystrokes, not others on Video Games by RacistGymTeacher on stackoverflow.com

fp- by NobodyNada

@SmokeDetector fpu-

fp- by DavidPostill

tp by Nisse Engström on https://testosteronesboosterweb.com/climadex/ [MS]

tp by Nisse Engström on Total Tone healthexpertsupplement.com/total-tone [MS]

tp by Nisse Engström on Ultrapur Wild Raspberry [MS]

fp by Nisse Engström on are mundane acts of compassion meaningful? [MS]

Restart: API quota is 10285.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username: Text does not appear on phone preview even though I have included it in my code by Pyroar TV on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Can't find a font with this slanted 'A'? by inki on graphicdesign.SE

naa- by WELZ

fp- by NobodyNada on Text does not appear on phone preview even though I have included it in my code [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected: Serious real life problems in a fantasy? by enrhuj on writing.SE

tpu- by WELZ

8:41 PM

Restart: API quota is 9999.

8:54 PM

Restart: API quota is 9894.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: Recursive VLOOKUP by mostoc on stackoverflow.com

fp- by WELZ

@SmokeDetector ignore

And SD ate my feedback as a comment again.

@SmokeDetector ignore

@Makyen Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

9:09 PM

I'm getting tired of having to not use the silent version of in-chat feedback to guard against feedback being eaten as comments.

Recovered from websocket._exceptions.WebSocketConnectionClosedException: socket is already closed.

angussidney

@Makyen is there’s a big report somewhere on GH?

I honestly don't remember off the top of my head. Maybe I need more caffeine.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How do I fix a wobbly mailbox post? by Vachevyguy on diy.SE

tpu- by Makyen

!!/watch evgravingplus\.weebly\.com

9:18 PM

@Makyen Added evgravingplus\.weebly\.com to watchlist

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 8fa3d7e (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of evgravingplus\.weebly\.com by Makyen --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 9674.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: Facing with a .htaccess issue by Naru on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: "We weren't all happy" — does that mean some of us or all of us? by trhis huy on english.SE

@NobodyNada It's just in Github, which is public. It could just make an HTTPS request for the files.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How to get current (last) RAM price? by Coutts on eosio.SE

fp- by Makyen on Facing with a .htaccess issue [MS]

tpu- by Makyen on "We weren't all happy" — does that mean some of us or all of us? [MS]

naa- by WELZ

Restart: API quota is 9507.

Restart: API quota is 9475.

ArtOfCode

9:46 PM

@Makyen @quartata

look

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/…

there's literally no path where it would recognize it's replying but then turn it into a comment

and if it's not parsed as a reply then the command wasn't going to run anyways

fp by Nisse Engström on Como posso garantir que minha API será usada apenas os recursos que desejo que ele use? [MS]

here github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/…

this is the branch that has to be hit that could possibly cause the behavior (where the ping is included) github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/…

which could only happen if message.parent is None

10:10 PM

naa by Nisse Engström on command/usr/bin/codesign failed with exit code 1- code sign error [MS]

tp by Nisse Engström on "We weren't all happy" — does that mean some of us or all of us? [MS]

angussidney

@Magisch yeah, I think your question should be fine for OS.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad pattern in URL answer: Are Adobe Typekit fonts "free" to use? by alx1xla on graphicdesign.SE

@quartata Then how does it happen that a reply is turned into a comment on the specific MS post? If it was just completely ignored, that would be a different story, but these are recognized as replies to a specific SD report and what's intended as feedback is applied to the MS post as a comment, so something sees it as a valid reply to a specific post.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer, blacklisted website in answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Do I need any drivers? by jimmy666 on askubuntu.com

tpu- by ByteCommander

@Makyen oh, was that not on the last feedbacked one?

Do you still have the comment? What is the source of it when you edit it

@NobodyNada It does

the blacklists are stored in the working directory

@NobodyNada github.com/quartata/SmokeDetector/blob/factory_optimize/…

(how it was used: github.com/quartata/SmokeDetector/blob/factory_optimize/…)

10:28 PM

@quartata It's gotten routine, so I just deleted the comment on MS, shortly after determining that it was created. I didn't expect this one to spark more investigation, or I would have left it; sorry. Unfortunately, I don't remember the statement of a source, but didn't notice anything unusual about it vs. other comments added via chat. I can ping you again when it happens again, or can attempt to duplicate.

This sounds like a different issue

the one that paper described had the ping @SmokeDetector at the beginning

which can only be caused by that branch

All the ones I've noticed were direct replies to SD reports.

I mean that the comment included it

@SmokeDetector ignore-

SE chat duplicate prevention

@SmokeDetector ignore-

SE chat duplicate prevention

@SmokeDetector ignore-

SE chat duplicate prevention

@SmokeDetector ignore-

try it without the dash a few times?

by the way you can just put a space on the front

10:36 PM

@quartata Between the message number and the feedback? I'd assumed not because I've had SD !!/ commands fail due to having 2 spaces between the command and argument.

@SmokeDetector ignore

@Makyen Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

@SmokeDetector fp

@Makyen Registered question as false positive.

@SmokeDetector ignore

@Makyen Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

10:37 PM

@SmokeDetector fp

@Makyen Registered question as false positive.

@SmokeDetector ignore

@Makyen Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

@SmokeDetector fp

@Makyen Registered question as false positive.

10:39 PM

Hmmm... well, it looks like it's not going to cooperate. Potentially a timing issue.

@Makyen No, at the very beginning

If you want to continue, we can, or I'll ping you again the next time it happens (and leave the comment alone :-)).

Anonymous

I have a question. This post is currently deleted: japanese.stackexchange.com/q/59555 It received mostly spam flags, not rude-or-abusive: i.stack.imgur.com/MHiZQ.png Why were spam flags used?

Anonymous

It was a rage quit post that was rude toward the user base as a whole, linking to five questions which the OP thought weren't as good as their own first question, which got closed as off-topic.

Those were autoflags

MS only casts spam flags, not R/A ones

they're not really distinguishable for any particular purpose (they function exactly the same, and internally are lumped under one category spamabusive), so Shog said it was OK

10:43 PM

@snailboat SD (actually metasmoke) only knows how to spam flag, so all auto-flags are spam flags. In addition, one of the primary tools that people use to do so manually is FIRE. The stock version of that also only knows how to spam flag (through MS). For most people to R/A flag, they have to open the question and cast the flag.

Anonymous

I see.

Anonymous

@quartata That's good to know. I'd previously been under the impression spam flags were only for unsolicited advertisements, and so I thought moderators were supposed to decline them when they were the wrong type. (Of course, these flags were validated, not declined.)

My understanding is that there has been some discussion about making it possible to flag as R/A in FIRE...

We could probably flag everything as R/A, since "spam" is pretty rude... :P

but they work the same way

@Catija The primary developer of FIRE has said that they don't want to take the responsibility, and thus won't permit FIRE to be modified to do so.

10:46 PM

There are some differences between the two... so saying that they're the same isn't really the case.

Anonymous

@quartata At a minimum, spam is an abuse of the system.

The feedback the OP gets when the post is flagged as Spam vs R/A is different.

Particularly in the case of a user rage quitting, rather than a troll or spammer, getting them the correct information page is sort of useful.

It also affects audits. If the post is deleted entirely by R/A flags, then it's not used as an audit.

I guess I find it somewhat frustrating that both are "allowed" to use spam flags. If SD is for spam, using it for R/A and then not supporting people actually flagging it as such... seems troublesome.

But I've complained about this before.

Anonymous

The moderator who cleared these flags did so by hitting 'delete'. I went ahead and undeleted, then I flag-deleted with r/a.

10:53 PM

IMO, it would be better to use R/A flags on posts which are caught due to the various "offensive" reasons. It wouldn't be a perfect separation, but it'd be an improvement.

John Dvorak

does MS support the flag type yet?

In addition, having the option available to cast R/A and NAA flags from FIRE is something I find quite useful.

Anonymous

@Makyen That sounds like it would be a good idea.

Yeah. I pretty much always manually flag them on the post and then use the r/a reason in FIRE... but it's slow and it means I have the r/a content up on my screen.

Fire relies on the MS api for flags, it doesn't cast itself IIRC

and MS doesn't provide a RA flag endpoint

10:56 PM

@ByteCommander Yes, that's true for the stock version.

mainly because of the difficulty to reliably parse the correct button from the multilingual site

Anonymous

@ByteCommander Oh, that's interesting.

@Catija I think that they also mentioned naa

But there are only four sites where the buttons aren't in English, no? RU.SO, PT.SO JP.SO and SP.SO?

@ByteCommander As far as I know, the strings used don't change, and there are a limited number of languages that need to be supported. Determining what those strings are wasn't that difficult.

10:57 PM

Take it with a grain of salt, that's just what I remember from asking Cerbrus (hopefully not mistyped) about it, the author of FIRE

@Makyen wait, why can't someone else do it?

I would love to have working RA flags too, don't get me wrong

If the person who wrote and supported it doesn't want to take the burden, then it'd be sort of inappropriate for someone else to force it on them...

@WELZ Yes, and I have done so in my local copy, but it's been specifically stated that it's not permitted in the released version of FIRE.