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RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:00 PM

@Robusto I never leave Batman's input element.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Well, it makes more sense than "intertake." Duh.

Oh. Blur = LostFocus?

That makes me want to scream.

Matt Эллен

yes

@KitFox Try typing $('#input').blur(function(){alert('The focus has left the chat message input!')}); into the console and see what happens.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Famous last words.

No really, I read them on a tombstone.

A Tombstone pizza?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:03 PM

I take that to be a rhetorical question.

user19161

Lara Croft -- Tombstone Raider.

Hello everyone.

user19161

@Mahnax Boo!

Matt Эллен

hello Mahnax

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:04 PM

@Robusto come to where the flavour is.

Well, I see the sockpuppets have arrived. Where were you guys? @Reg had to star his own chat messages for, like, six hours, man.

@MattЭллен How are you today, Matt?

user19161

@Robusto He got many stars recently, I wonder who the starrer is.

Matt Эллен

@Mahnax I am uncomfortably warm, and looking forward to seeing Avengers tonight. How are you?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto and not a minute too late, as I gotta run soon.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:05 PM

user image

^ where the flavour is

@MattЭллен I'm good, get to make a website in French.

user19161

@MattЭллен Good good. Are you seeing it with Maria?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@JasperLoy actually I am the only unstarrer in this room.

user19161

@Mahnax For school?

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy no, with a friend. None of my friends are called Maria, well not yet anyway

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:07 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 so that is where cowboys come?

Seems plausible to me!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's all plausible. We're living in the future now.

@JasperLoy Yes.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 We're all living in Amerika.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Not me! I'm in Amerika Lite.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Mahnax bienvenue au zombo.fr ! Vous pouvez faire toutes les choses sur zombo.fr !

3:09 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 sighs

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

En francais !

Matt Эллен

@Mahnax exciting. I'm currently calculating variance with a calculator so I can later check my working with a computer

@MattЭллен Fun!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Calculatrice, ordinateur. Repetez!

user19161

@Mahnax Calculators are not fun.

user19161

3:11 PM

Unfortunately we still need calculators for many things.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

La calculatrice chauve.

user19161

Such as subtracting 100 from your rep to see your true rep.

@MattЭллен Real men check variance with slide rules or abacusae's.

Or by counting on their fingers.

user19161

@Robusto Aliens check it with pen and paper.

@JasperLoy Pineapples check it with pineapple juice.

Matt Эллен

3:13 PM

@Robusto real men are foolish?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I counted till three once, then that nazi shot my balls off. Never again, thank you.

@JasperLoy How?

@MattЭллен Well, duh.

user19161

@Mahnax Well, it's just pressing numbers into a machine to get another number. Don't you think that's boring?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Not if it's 80085!

user19161

3:14 PM

Or 9000, or 7.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 No. The guy who shot your balls off was a Nazi hunter, not a Nazi. Schatz!

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 That means you have no balls left. You started with 2, and you used the plural there.

Matt Эллен

"He will be graduated in may, he is currently upright"

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto I'm talking about August Diehl here.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Wait, you're the British spy?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:17 PM

You didn't think you was, did you?

@JasperLoy Nah.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I was Frau von Hammersmark, natürlich. Oder King Kong. Ich weiss nicht.

@Reg 4539-4533 at 2:20 left. How active are the mercs at this time? Think they have a chance?

user19161

Talking about balls, I like pork balls but not fish balls.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Vitaly def war or active?

3:20 PM

@JasperLoy Thanks for sharing.

Lunch. Later.

user19161

@Robusto You are welcome.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Def.

Matt Эллен

CU @Kit

user19161

@KitFox Enjoy!

3:22 PM

@KitFox Bye!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Vitaly looks good, then.

The mercs are unpredictable. But when they are active at this time, they usually go the whole nine yards.

user19161

Do you know why @mahnax = @matt? Because blue+yellow=green.

Matt Эллен

i seeeee

@JasperLoy Not in RGB.

In RGB, red + green = yellow. Cf. #FFFF00. QED.

user19161

@Robusto Ah, I was thinking in terms of paint.

3:30 PM

> If I did have a tumor, I'd name it Marla.

user19161

Marla sounds like Maria.

> Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

cries

@Robusto awwww. goes and takes the feathers out of his butt.

> Shut up! Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about God?

Matt Эллен

3:31 PM

kermewtan

> Like a monkey, ready to be shot into space. Space monkey! Ready to sacrifice himself for the greater good.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

> Gott ist tot.

user19161

Wait, what game are you playing?

> Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

user19161

I am trying to figure out the nature of Robusto's random messages.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:33 PM

> The only winning move is not to play.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Oh I know, he is just trying to trick me. I am easily tricked.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Immediate deduction for the wrong movie.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto so you're saying "Gott ist tot" is from that movie?

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I'm dealing with Jasper right here. You go mind your own quoting business.

user19161

3:35 PM

Oh I know, it's all from some movie.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Bloody brilliant.

@JasperLoy The first rule of this game is: You do not talk about this game. The second rule of this game is: You DO NOT talk about this game.

user19161

That movie must be like over 9000 years ago.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

13.

So, yes.

@JasperLoy "Candy-stripe a cancer ward. It's not my problem."

user19161

3:37 PM

@Robusto Whoa, I think you must have written the movie script.

> You have to know the answer to this question! If you died right now, how would you feel about your life?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well this is fun and all, but it would be even more fun if I were at home. So laters.

3:58 PM

> You wake up at Seatac, SFO, LAX. You wake up at O'Hare, Dallas-Fort Worth, BWI. Pacific, mountain, central. Lose an hour, gain an hour. This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time. You wake up at Air Harbor International. If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person?

@RegDwightB8: ^

@Robusto what's that from? it's very familiar, but i can't place it

ah, Fight Club

thank you, internetz

@JSBᾶngs You are three moves ahead of Jasper.

29 mins ago, by Jasper Loy

I am trying to figure out the nature of Robusto's random messages.

> This is a chemical burn. It will hurt more than you've ever been burned before. You will have a scar.

i can never make up my mind whether Chuck Pahlaniuk is a genius or just an asshole

also, fuck spelling Palhaniuk

@JSBᾶngs In the case of Fight Club, both.

@JSBᾶngs "Fuck off with your sofa units and strine green stripe patterns, I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let... lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may." Extend that to spelling, and you've got it.

4:17 PM

> Of course, some people will scoff at the idea that children who watch porn should be treated like victims of addiction. Surely they should be punished for their wickedness. Yet the internet is an extraordinarily addictive medium. Plenty of us find ourselves losing an hour because we've been glued to Mumsnet or Facebook, or can't resist clicking on another silly celebrity story . . . and another . . . and another.

This is a story about a mother "helping" her son to stop watching on-line porn.

But who is it that needs help?

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132342/…

> Charlie was far too young to process the images he was seeing, let alone be turned on by them.

He was 11.

@Cerberus I thought The Daily Mail had shut its doors.

Oh? Because of Murdoch? I thought only News of the World had closed.

@Cerberus Nah, you're right. I'm getting my tabloids mixed up.

> As an infant, I was exposed to breasts almost every single day. Thirty years later, breasts have taken over my life. Not a day goes by without some stray breast seeping into my consciousness. Occasionally I catch myself glancing at the breasts of my female friends, and I habitually pour milk all over my cornflakes. Worse, breasts have served as a gateway drug for vaginas.

I used to think I was alone, but extensive new research in the form of almost three anecdotes published by the Daily Mail - a seedy gossip website specializing in celebrity erotica, catering to men too old to buy Nu…

Perfect parody of the mother's story above.

Mahlzeit.

4:24 PM

techdirt.com/articles/20120501/03244918724/…

5:07 PM

hey everyone

wondering if anyone has any specific knowledge on how to make nouns plural syntactically and grammatically

seems kind of stupid

but when you're trying to refer to more than one "iPhone 4S"

it gets kind of messy

@BOSS it's iPhone 4S's

at least in speech

you may be interested in this question:

4

Q: Plural of "iPod Touch"

What is the plural of iPod Touch? Should it be iPods Touch or iPod Touches?

grammatical-number proper-nouns

6

Q: What is the plural of "BlackBerry" (as in the handheld device)

Is the plural of "BlackBerry", BlackBerries or BlackBerrys? I am asking, because I'm altering the underlying brand name to look more like the food and less like the product, leaving the reader to infer it from context.

grammatical-number orthography brands

One of the answers and one of the comments suggest using blah-blah devices.

blah-blah devices is probably best for more formal circumstances

5:16 PM

@JSBᾶngs :D

thanks for that question

perfect

that's what I chose originally (4S's), but I wanted to be sure

Or two Iphones 4S.

@Cerberus no one would ever say that

@Cerberus yeah that's mega awkward

I would prefer that in writing. The same problem rears its head with all type numbers in all EU languages.

In speech, it will be 4S's of course.

any reason you prefer it in writing?

5:19 PM

Not sure. Probably because of the S's?

It looks ugly.

agreed

"How many Iphones do you have? — I have two Iphones 4S, and one Iphone 3."

I can't parse that without lol'ing

Heh.

and please

*iPhones

5:22 PM

Well, marketing departments aren't known for a formal or literary style, so I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

Just write whatever you like.

yeah I'm not too concerned about it or anything

sometimes it's difficult though, in my piece anyway, to sub in "devices" for the plural noun since I'm personifying these phones

Haha, personifying?

What genre is it anyway?

@BOSS You know, I object to camel case in ordinary writing. It's ugly.

And I see no reason to.

Corporations can't make me violate spelling rules.

genre

that's definitely a good question lol

What is it for?

we had a project in my English class where we wrote in six different (rhetorical) modes on a particular subject

^

this mode is a division/classification

oh but camel case

what's wrong with that?

and what do you use as an alternative?

5:30 PM

Capitals inside words are bad, bad.

Why would you need an alternative?

yes haha

but for things like file names perhaps?

I think it looks kind of clean

File names, absolutely.

Though nowadays spaces are possible almost everywhere?

I mean I guess you could hyphenate it

yeah that too

And I'd still prefer underscores, if only because capitals are not preserved/visible everywhere.

it may sound petty, but I find that spaces look really n00by

yeah

5:32 PM

Yes, you could hyphenate or just use a space, if necessary.

it's not typically best practice to include spaces

@BOSS So it's snobbery?

maybe a little bit

but it's also not that considerate in web dev either

In any case, file names and variable names can be valid exceptions. But in a text?

so it has a practical reason too lol

oh for sure

that's practically heresy

5:33 PM

Heh.

Thanks.

Then stop thinking that Apple can force you to violate rules of spelling.

hey now

I used to think it was LinkedLN because it never occurred to me that it could be camel case.

my essay is (attempting to) satirize the apple fanboyism

Haha, okay then.

arrggh

have to say

when you can easily write out "Androids" and "Palms"

but no "Blackberrys" (sic lol)

5:35 PM

I mean, you don't need to write StackExchange here: you can just write Stack Exchange. Looks much neater.

I lack chortles

yeah it really does

How about just Blackberries?

I would write that without qualms.

It's clear, it looks neat, and it conforms to conventions.

my only qualm is with not respecting rim's wishes

Why?

I'm kidding haha

5:37 PM

phew

You almost had me there.

should have kept going lol

Yeah. I keep forgetting that you're writing a parody on Apple fanboys, not worshiping the company yourself!

an understandable misunderstanding

a shame though

if you were to read it, it's extremely obvious

though it can be funny because of that

I believe you.

5:51 PM

@Cerberus Thanks for reminding me.

@Robusto Hey I wasn't talking about you.

The other day someone said "I'm not talking 'to' you, I'm talking 'at' you." Does this make sense?

Yes, but it would be rude.

@skullpatrol IMO, they mean that they are talking to you but getting no response.

It implies a one-way conversation.

6:02 PM

As if you are a statue, or a wall.

@Cerberus Yes, exactly.

So no conversation, just one person talking and one listening.

Yeah.

I would take that quotation to mean, "shut up, don't talk back".

> I'm not talking 'to' you, I'm talking 'at' you.

I think there are better ways to demean people

you know, if you're into that thing

Yeah, exempli gratia "You suck!".

there you go

+1

6:04 PM

much more sophisticated

> avocados in Texas are the pits.

What does this mean?

"Very expensive"?

"Low quality"?

It might be a reference to the size of the pits in Texan avocados.

Context?

Where are you reading/hearing this?

@Cerberus "The pits" means the nadir, the lowest point, the worst. Which pretty much describes Texas, IMO.

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@Robusto Ah, I see.

Thanks.

Mar 16 '11 at 3:52, by Robusto

"Just move to Texas." Listen to yourself, man! General Sheridan ("Little Phil"), who was active in the latter half of the 19th century, famously said, "If I owned Hell and Texas, I would live in Hell and rent out Texas."

6:06 PM

I hear Austin is not so bad.

@Cerberus Austin is the San Francisco of Texas. But it is still Texas.

And the Guide Vert gave San Antonio 3 stars out of 3.

@Cerberus "Low quality" because they are the worst :D

What's the difference?

Between what?

6:08 PM

If I said "Windows XP is the pits," it would mean it is on the lowest level of operating system imaginable.

Between low quality and worst.

No, it means awful.

If something is "the pits" it is to be avoided at all costs. If possible.

Hmm, I hated Vista more than XP.

@Robusto after vista

yeah lol

NOT RELEVANT.

6:09 PM

@Robusto Yeah I think I got it.

@Cerberus The "worst" is the lowest quality.

That said, you don't hear "the pits" used as much these days as you used to. But any American would understand it instantly.

Etymonline:

pits "the worst," by 1953, U.S. slang, said to be a shortened form of armpits.

@skullpatrol Eh yes, but...

@Robusto Yuck.

@Cerberus worse, more worse, worst = pits

Okay, now I know why I wasn't supposed to know this.

6:13 PM

@Cerberus You're such a language snob.

@Robusto Tell me something new.

You're probably one too, but you just have different peeves.

Most people I know are language snobs in some way or other. It's part of educated culture. Just as people are snobs about a thousand other things.

So the avocados in Texas are the worst.

I think if you only view the world in some dualistic snobbery-vs.-anti-snobbery way, then that says something as well.

Holla.

Hi!

6:17 PM

Anybody ever use the jQuery Validation plug-in?

I don't even use jQuery.

@Robusto Who says it's dualistic? You started the snobbery talk.

@KitFox You don't need a jQuery plugin for that. But if you can do jQuery, it should be easy enough to figure it out. docs.jquery.com/Plugins/Validation

I just don't like using certain expressions that refer to filth. Is that so bad?

@Robusto Well, I understand that. I was just wondering if the plug-in was helpful.

6:19 PM

@Cerberus But I didn't claim it was the stage on which all of life's drama plays out. You did that.

@Robusto Hmm what stage?

@KitFox I would write my own just for practice, if I were you.

@Cerberus Think drama. What kind of stage is associated with drama?

@Cerberus "Arm pits" are filth?

whines

@skullpatrol I am picturing stinking sweat.

6:21 PM

@KitFox You gotta put in your own work around here, homes.

I also dislike curses that refer to diseases. Here people commonly say "cancer this, cancer that". Awful.

Really in bad taste.

@Robusto I have a Very Important Visitor coming in two weeks. This has to be spiffed well before that so I can test it.

-5

Q: Guild name question

I would like to create a guild in online game and I need help with name, available variants: "Panda Tavern" "Pandas Tavern" "Panda's Tavern" Please help me to choose right one.

Can we get some delete votes, please? Two more will do. This question is an affront to all that is good and righteous.

I can't cast delete votes? pfah

@Cerberus Stinking sweat is filth?

6:26 PM

In any case it's gross.

any?

Stinking sweat is gross.

@Robusto One more will do it now.

Never mind.

@Robusto Did you just ping yourself?

6:32 PM

Yup. It's not a sin, you know.

Oh.

@skullpatrol You can ping yourself too, but only at Zombo.com.

Oh I love Zombo.com!

Are you talking 'at' yourself?

It's even better than a certain Youtube video.

6:34 PM

@Cerberus This one?

Shit! I just got Rick Rolled and lost The Game.

I was expecting the roll, but damn...

@Mahnax Of course!

Yeah, video owner be trollin'.

One of the few times I actually saw it coming.

Well, you were talking about YouTube.

It works better when the subject is serious.

6:38 PM

It works very well.

I am happily listening to it.

I would be, but I'm in class.

Heh.

@Mahnax Back to work!

How do I write if statements in this language again?

@Mahnax No! I don't wanna!

6:40 PM

@KitFox Start with if and then (condition)

Wow, this is fun.

@Mahnax Stop playing with yourself. I lied about it not being a sin.

Then { //what to do if true } ?

Yup.

@Robusto gasps

6:41 PM

@Robusto Thanks.

if (isNaN(x)){
    q++;
}
else{
    return;
}

if (foo === bar) {
  $('form').submit();
  alert('That is just dandy! I submitted my form programatically!');
}

Triple equals?

Sometimes.

What the hell kind of language is that?

6:44 PM

If Foo = Bar
Gui, Submit, Form

That's AHK.

@KitFox You don't have to use ===, but if you only use == then Javascript will coerce the comparators' datatypes.

@KitFox It's making sure that the values and the types are the same, I think.

Oh! That's actually pretty useful.

400

A: JavaScript === vs == : Does it matter which "equal" operator I use?

The identity (===) operator behaves identically to the equality (==) operator except no type conversion is done, and the types must be the same to be considered equal. Reference: Javascript Tutorial: Comparison Operators The == operator will compare for equality after doing any necessary type c...

If the types are different, it will be false and won't even check if the values are the same.

Damn it. I had it, but then I lost it.

6:47 PM

You need a stick to bite on?

'' == '0' // false
0 == '' //  true
0 == '0' //  true

false == 'false' // false
false == '0' // true
false == undefined // false
false == null // false
null == undefined // true

Some problems with ==.

Huh...

Javascript comparator conversions.

Using === solves all that.

And plain old = is just for assigning values to variables.

Confusing.

6:48 PM

Well, there are probably other uses.

But I have to go. Later!

@Cerberus Not confusing. Those are actual useful distinctions.

Do I look unconfused?

I meant I had it working, but I messed something up. Probably lost a bracket or a semi-colon.

@Cerberus Well, you don't need them, so don't you worry your pretty little head about it.

True!

My pretty big heads will go for a run now.

Bye!

6:54 PM

@Cerberus Your heads are a little big and pretty ugly. Perfect for the oxymoronic doggie.

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RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Who do you call moronic?

OK, I'm off. Bye!

$(".numberCheck").blur(function () {
                var num = parseInt($(this).attr('value'), 10);
                if (isNan(num)) {
                    $(this).addClass("error");
                }
            });

What did I get wrong?

isNan should be isNaN

Oh FFS.

6:57 PM

Not a Number.

Yeah, I know. It was just a typo.

I was counting brackets and parentheses and stuff.

Didn't even see it.

So there. That bit works.

Also, you should probably do all the validation in a named function, and assign it to the click event for the submit button as well as the keyboard event of all the form inputs (or the form itself), testing whether the event is a return (which would also submit the form).

You want to be able to trap the submit so you can validate, basically.

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