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Bob
12:20 AM
 
 
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7:14 AM
Soooooooooooooooooo
things are still weird at work, but for another reason now
 
Morning
 
user226528
Hola
 
8:26 AM
Hmm... Anyone know if it's possible to reassign monitor "numbers"? Currently the monitor I uses as my primary is identified as 2.
Well, it identifies as two when I plug my secondary monitor into the graphics card via HDMI.
 
9:08 AM
sigh
the saga of my broken oven continues
@MichaelFrank i believe the number comes from the socket it is plugged into on the gfx card
the backplate of the card has a little 1 and 2 engraved on it
 
Bleh... I don't want HDMI to be the first screen though, it's hardly on.
 
 
But I don't want to just plug it in every time I want to use it.
 
can you not just use the "make primary display" tick box in the windows settings?
 
Nah, cause I want to be able to disconnect it, but you can only disconnect a secondary monitor.
 
9:15 AM
i'm confused...
 
Ya know when you have your laptop plugged into an external monitor, and you can choose to "disconnect" the internal monitor and only use the external?
I want to do that, but with my desktop.
Except the issue is, the monitor I want to disconnect it being detected as the number 1 monitor, and I can't swap them over. :|
 
9:31 AM
Ah, hrm
Why has a machine on my home network grabbed two ip addresses
One of which it used to have when it was last powered-on many months ago before a reinstall
Something something something weird DHCP lease?
 
yup
 
But but but- I don't think it was DHCP'd before :S
And it's currently set to have a static address (which was the same as the previous address except that didn't work for some reason)
"network is unreachable" etc
...I'm just going to pretend the issue doesn't exist 👍
 
9:57 AM
Also, since when does xen need a whole bunch of Haskell/GHC deps?
 
Since it was written in those languages, I guess? :P
 
It was? TIL
 
I dunno man, I was just guessing.
 
Heh :P
Just a grumble that setting up a baremetal dom0 pulls in > 1GB of deps
I'm also kinda surprised that xen is an AUR package in Arch
But hey ho, as long as it works at the end of the process...
 
lol
It does seem like source code sizes have ballooned in recent years...
 
10:09 AM
I installed a finance app the other day that downloaded a buttload of Haskell deps
 
This is why I love gentoo
I have most of the deps I'd ever need, already ;D
 
10:54 AM
@Bob :O
 
11:30 AM
our new dev is grumbling about node dependencies this morning
 
 
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12:38 PM
@Burgi not sure what these are
 
1:06 PM
@djsmiley2k npm or yarn
 
Bob
@allquixotic or bowser or webpack or ...
goddamn js
 
lol
 
1:23 PM
Yeah, I don't do any webdev so it's all mostly lost on me
 
2:06 PM
@djsmiley2k node is a server-side javascript runtime and also a package manager for same; node dependency management and the node package ecosystem are...messy
 
sounds it
if you're going to name your product dave
and you name the product-manager dave
and you run code called dave
ti's gonna get messy.
 
(I think technically the runtime is node.js and the package manager is npm, Node Package Manager)
 
pffft
 
(but don't quote me on that, I manage all my js dependencies with leiningen~)
 
@djsmiley2k thats easy
 
2:17 PM
aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
being an idiot
/me wiggles
 
just run dave dave --dave
 
set the wrong subnet for an entire store \o/
fortunately noticed, now
 
> Tap, tap, tap.... Is this thing on? I have to insist that you please either install the dual L5630 CPUs into my system; provide me a firm date on which this will be completed; or else refund the $200 I paid for this upgrade. The lack of response to this matter is very concerning.
I've never been anywhere near this rude to a hosting provider before, but I've sent them two messages over a week and a half requesting an update and no response
 
So... takeaways from the reviews:
The Ryzen 7 2700X is about a 10% improvement over the Ryzen 7 1800X, and often outperforms the latter even when overclocked. It still does not perform as well as Intel's fastest processors on single-threaded tasks, and the IPC improvement is limited. However, improved boosting technologies, Precision Boost 2 and XFR2, deliver on their promises to enhance performance in variably-threaded loads and with better cooling.
As for gaming performance, with most modern games, the Ryzen 7 2700X is now within 10%, sometimes even 5%, of the Core i7-8700K. Heavily threaded applications perform best on the new Ryzen processor.
I think the improved boosting is huge news. In earlier pre-release presentations back in 2016, AMD claimed that XFR could scale automatically with better cooling, to as far as LN2. This, unfortunately, did not work out with the first-generation Ryzen processors, which still had very simplistic boosting behavior AFAICT.
The second-generation Ryzen processors, on the other hand, do indeed scale with cooling performance.
20 hours ago, by bwDraco
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Pricing is even more competitive than before, and to make things even better, every Ryzen processor now comes with one of AMD's high-performance Wraith coolers.
(the Ryzen 5 1600X, Ryzen 7 1700X, and Ryzen 7 1800X did not ship with coolers)
 
2:51 PM
 
lol
 
@allquixotic Who's that, so I never use em?
@XKCD this happens especially when you own a house!!!
 
I just have not been able to find the time to work on JS and Docker. I've been waaaay too busy these last few days.
 
i only have a small flat and i suck at tidying
 
@djsmiley2k Delimiter
 
2:57 PM
@bwDraco upto anything fun?
Also, why JS and Docker? that's a odd combo of technologies to learn?
 
i have a strategy for tidying that involves sorting stuff into boxes
 
They're not related, but I'm trying to learn these technologies because they're both highly marketable and I have some level of interest in them.
 
@bwDraco fair enough
just be wary of streching yourself in opposite directions at the same time
If you have a job working with docker, js is unlike to be used, and the opposite is also true
of course, anything is possible
 
@bwDraco you know what would be awesome? If AMD stuck a Vega M GH 24 CU die on the side of a Ryzen 2700X and sold that at a price far lower than an i5-whatever + GTX 1050 Ti
 
I've been tied up with photography and related post-production work while I also need to deal with family-related matters (which I can't really disclose in more detail).
 
3:00 PM
@bwDraco Nod, fair enough
Well I hope you get some time to do what you want, as well as what you need to.
 
you'd have very competitive top-end IPC rivaling recent Intel uArchs, plenty of cores, and a suitable 1080p gaming GPU in one package
 
you know what would be good? if we got @bwDraco a job in the marketing dept of AMD... ;)
 
@Burgi :D
no-bs marketing.com
 
@allquixotic I seriously doubt AMD is able to do this legally (Intel likely has an exclusive contract with AMD RTG for these dies).
 
chuck in a $90 motherboard and you have a computer upgrade for long time old arch holdouts (Sandy Bridge etc)
 
3:01 PM
Also, the total die size is going to be difficult to fit in the AM4 package.
 
@bwDraco would AMD actually sign something prohibiting their own company from competing with Intel's EMIB Vega M?
 
AMD went this route most likely because they felt they could move more units this way.
AMD does not have access to EMIB.
 
I know, but they could make something like that for Ryzen + Vega
they already have APU tech
 
I think AMD is working on their own solution, larger than Raven Ridge, that uses Infinity Fabric.
 
my main concern would be, for desktops at least, Nvidia can always drop the prices of the GTX 1060 and 1070 slightly and you can build a much better gaming desktop for the same or cheaper price, since Vega M GH only competes with the 1050 Ti
for laptops, you can't just chuck a 1060 in it - laptops that have a 1060 are generally pretty bulky/heavy compared to ones with a 1050 Ti or smaller
 
3:04 PM
Again, AFAIK, this is a WIP for AMD.
Perhaps we'll see something later this year.
 
what would absolutely move laptop units for me would be to compete with heavier, bulkier Nvidia dGPU powered laptops in performance, while producing thinner, lighter laptops - if AMD RTG can figure out the right partners -- whether Intel CPU or AMD's own -- and the right laptop manufacturers to do that, they can make a mint
 
@allquixotic Heck, my father is stuck on AMD K8.
 
it may be personal bias, but I think there's plenty of pent-up demand for truly gaming-worthy laptops that are comparably thin to the current gen Macbook Pro, either 13" or 15"
the dGPU in the 15" MBP however is a pathetic, cut-down RX 560 "M" (Radeon Pro 560, which is lower clocked and suited for "pro" use)
 
People in the market for a gaming laptop are willing to accept a somewhat larger, heavier machine, but I grew tired of carrying an 8 lb laptop myself.
 
yeah, I'm not willing to accept very much bulk anymore, it's just too inconvenient
screen size, sure -- I'll do 15" -- but I don't want heavy
 
3:07 PM
Today's gaming laptops are a bit lighter than this, but thin gaming machines are a bit of a niche.
(e.g. I don't see many thin-and-light gaming systems at the local Best Buy)
 
Best Buy isn't the greatest source of laptops :P they do sell at least somewhat reasonably-priced kit (I'm comparing the kit to things like a custom-built System76 PC or a high-end MBP) but they aren't necessarily on the cutting edge.
my "get-me-over" gaming laptop is a $1900, high spec variant of the Alienware 13 R3 with Kaby Lake i7, GTX 1060 (not Max-Q), 16 GB of RAM and a 512 GB SSD
it's not deathly heavy but it's pretty thick compared to what I'd prefer
 
I like how Adobe DNG converter is now fully parallelized. It processes one image per hardware thread, fully utilizing my 8C/16T processor, and converts hundreds of images in a matter of seconds.
@allquixotic 13 is a bit small for my taste.
I'd kinda prefer 15.6" but thin machines larger than 13" tend to be hard to find.
 
the Alienware 13 is a 13" screen on a 15" chassis, basically -- the physical dimensions are as big as a 15" MBP easily, but the screen has huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge bezels, especially at the bottom
 
Max-Q would be fantastic. I think they can stuff a GTX 1070 into a thin 15" machine...
(heck, my old gaming laptop, 15.6", had a GPU that used as much power as a laptop-spec GTX 1080, but the fans ran absurdly loud and the GPU would overheat even under favorable conditions.)
 
also I just had a thought that made me cynically giggle
Q: How do I buy an affordable GPU at MSRP or lower in the time of crypto miners buying up all the GPUs on the open market?
A: Buy a laptop. lol
 
3:15 PM
@allquixotic Crypto demand for GPUs has dramatically dropped. Prices are still somewhat inflated, but availability is no longer a serious issue.
Radeon RX 500 series cards are still selling at about 150% of MSRP, but that's much better than the 250-300% we saw just a couple of months ago.
 
O_O that has a 1060 in it? holy crap, look how thin that is :D
that's like half the thickness of the Alienware 13 R3
 
That... is only marginally thicker than a typical Ultrabook.
> 14.08"(W) x 9.75"(D) x 0.69"(H)
> 0.69"(H)
Seriously?
17.5mm?
(per Intel spec, the maximum allowed thickness for an Ultrabook 14" or larger is 21mm)
 
@Burgi bertieb is spying on me?
 
it appears so...
yesterday, by bertieb
@djsmiley2k I saw a cat pee/poo on the edge of my garden!
 
woo, weekend is almost here
 
3:23 PM
@allquixotic And the GS65 can be configured with a Max-Q spec GTX 1070.
I'm not in the market for a new laptop right now, though, even with my tax refund.
 
did i read that OAuth is being killed off as a technology?
 
@Burgi We don't know, did you?
 
I think OAuth might stay but OpenID is being killed off
 
ah
i get those two mixed up
 
50
Q: How do I politely decline a request for a contract marriage?

sleepytimeI am a recent graduate from a school in the United States that has a large number of international students. During my time there, I became friends with someone who I will refer to as "Suzy." Suzy and I became close by spending time playing a popular video game together, and we eventually graduat...

 
3:28 PM
wow...
 
^That question reminds me of a film in my native language, which is inspired by the Hollywood film The Proposal .
 
its this question that makes me wonder about the state of humanity...
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Q: How to reply to "Drive/Travel Safe"?

thesquaregrootOftentimes when leaving work, or the last time I see someone before I go on a trip, someone will say "drive safe!" or something similar. On one hand, this feels more or less like well-wishing to me (e.g. "I hope you have a safe drive.") so my instinct is to respond with "Thanks!". However, gram...

 
@Burgi SE is dropping support for openid
 
ah that might be where i saw it
 
OAUTH2 in various flavours seems common and SE will support a few, carefully picked providers
 
3:37 PM
@Burgi I don't poop in public
And if I did, nobody would see me
 
well thats what i thought but seeing that there are only two scottish people in the entire world and you are both here i did wonder...
 
I missed the other scot
 
@jokerdino @bertieb is scottish as is @FMLCat
 
aw, poor him
 
3:43 PM
lol
 
i don't know if they are full on kilt wielders or if they just happen to live there
 
I think @FMLCat is the latter, He probably wouldn't fit in a sporran
 
Currently downloading some not-so-old Tamil films from Youtube using youtube-dl.
 
Yay, no water on the whole building \o/
 
Is there any way to get the download link for the video from youtube-dl?
 
Bob
3:47 PM
nope
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy on, or in?
 
Bob
youtube doesn't have a download link for its higher-quality encodings
they're streamed in parts (see: DASH)
 
So, how does youtube-dl download them?
 
Bob
@RogUE By downloading and reassembling the segments.
 
Hmm... PCWorld paints a very favorable picture for the new Ryzen processor under variably-threaded workloads: pcworld.com/article/3268953/components-processors/…
> At one thread, the 2nd-gen chip leads by 17 percent; at two threads, 23 percent; and 19 percent at four threads.
As with the other reviews, AMD's latest still falls a bit short of the i7-8700K under gaming workloads, but the gap is a lot smaller than before, and within 10% in most cases.
You're basically getting 90-95% of the gaming performance and 110-120% of the multithreaded performance of Intel's fastest mainstream processor at 90% of the price.
What wonders competition makes. Before Ryzen, Intel wouldn't even bother coming out with a 6C processor for mainstream desktops.
But there's still no beating Intel for when you need the highest possible single-threaded performance. The new Ryzen chips still do not overclock very well, though XFR2 means that the processor operates much closer to its limits without the need for manual intervention, and will automatically adjust according to the available cooling capacity.
And in many games, especially older ones. single-threaded performance is what matters most. (Think CS:GO, which is very sensitive to frame rates.)
So I'm not convinced I should upgrade.
Your thoughts on the new Ryzen processors?
 
4:22 PM
A series of monologues from bwDraco!!!!
 
lol
@RogUE eh, its a work in progress ;p
 
@RogUE this is why he needs to go work for AMD
why not?
 
@RogUE Not you.
 
Ah
 
I think @JourneymanGeek saw the flag...
 
4:27 PM
what flag?
 
It's a mod flag, not a spam/offensive flag.
@Burgi Sorry about that; almost responded in an inappropriate fashion.
 
@bwDraco you can tell me to STFU if you like
i have remarkably thick skin
 
Eh, that's going into flaggable territory.
 
pffft
 
naw, missed the flag
 
4:33 PM
//almost exhausted my daily data allowance, less than 50MB to go.
 
So, @RogUE, now that Intel has moved to true quad-core processors for Core i3, it looks like even i3s are becoming overkill for everyday use.
 
What I find interesting about the new Ryzen processors is not the performance improvements in and of themselves. It's the new XFR2 functionality, which is basically self-overclocking functionality based on chip temperature.
This is very different from Intel Turbo Boost 2.0, which AFAICT is dependent on power consumption and configuration by the OEM. AFAICT, Intel's Turbo system doesn't really respond to temperature unless it's too high (either by chip limits or OEM configuration).
I have never heard of a CPU's clock frequency scaling in an almost linear fashion based on cooling capacity. (NVIDIA Pascal chips with GPU Boost 3.0 can self-overclock based on temperature, but that's a GPU.)
Turbo Boost 2.0, AIUI, allows the chip to operate above the nominal TDP for a period of time defined by the OEM, then drops to its nominal TDP. It will boost clock frequencies up to as high as the current power limit allows, as measured by the processor itself. It doesn't really limit by temperature unless it's too hot.
 
4:53 PM
I am more likely to read the deleted messages than the rest o.O
 
5:37 PM
@allquixotic :-o and a fatality too
I'm still wondering what happened with that second A380 uncontained engine failure.
 
@FMLCat Not sure what went wrong - something makes me think it's a maintenance issue.
Engines don't fail like this if they're properly maintained.
 
3 in a month?
 
Except due to design flaws, construction flaws, and/or new failure modes not previously accounted for
 
such as wiring, that when heated, causes it's insulators to become conductors...
 
@djsmiley2k 3 what in a month? Engine failures? No the one I was referring to was from last year (or even earlier). Never saw the final accident report, which often takes years to appear
 
5:40 PM
oh
i though I read something saying 3 of those engines failed in the last month
but the other two were 'contained'
ah
one last month, one in aug 2016
> This isn't the first time that a Southwest jet has experienced such a failure: another Southwest 737-700 using the same type of engine (a CFM56-7B) occurred in August of 2016, with no fatalities. And a United Airlines 777 flying from San Francisco to Hawaii suffered an engine failure caused by a broken fan blade last month, though the failure was contained and the aircraft landed safely.
not all the same plane, but simular. :/
 
@FMLCat That would point to a possible design issue with the GP7200.
 
That the engine design?
@bwDraco I feel, you're stating the obvious here?
 
No, the GP7200 was the engine that failed in the A380 a while back.
 
the Southwest 737-700 engine failure was a CFM56
 
Hmm... CFM56-7B. Completely different engine, different manufacturer.
 
5:43 PM
wtf avicii is dead
:O
 
Sounds like maintenance issues.
IMO low-cost airlines are more likely to have these sorts of issues.
They have to be very tight with their budgets, which means they may stretch maintenance schedules to reduce cost.
 
@djsmiley2k wah
 
I'm kinda feeling that it's not an issue with the engine design proper.
 
:/
too young
 
:\
 
5:48 PM
@bwDraco I'm not sure why you feel qualified to make any statement on this?
@bwDraco wel it's happened to 1 airline
 
Both of these CFM56 failures were on Southwest flights.
 
infact, to one plane total
 
low cost airlines cant afford to have flights off duty so they take more care
as they only have limited number of planes
 
@bwDraco Southwest is actually very safe - they have a robust safety culture and they're not known for cutting corners
 
5:50 PM
@jokerdino I thought Southwest had a huge fleet of 737s?
 
allow me to quote that for you:
> The crack was interior, so certainly not detectable from looking at it from the outside."
 
@bwDraco they do; the Boeing 737 is the only aircraft type they fly, though they have older ones from the 90s, "Next Generation" ones from the early 2000s, and brand new ones called the 737 MAX, so they're managing three generations of airplanes with different needs but similar design
the one that failed was from 2000
 
I mean, they fly more than 700 of these planes.
Hmm...
 
SWA is certainly not Jet Blue in terms of reliability. They're much better. But these engines might have a manufacturing fault causing the fan blades to start cracking off at a higher rate of failure after 15-20 years or service
Or they're just getting old and need to be completely scrapped and replaced (the fan blades, I mean)
 
@djsmiley2k Shit whaaaaat
 
5:52 PM
@allquixotic exactly my thought.
@FMLCat yeah :/
 
Hmm... looks like plain old mechanical failure. Hard to detect, too.
 
God's gonna have the greatest band ever o_O
@bwDraco indeed
 
@djsmiley2k lol
Prince vs. Avicii
 
In that case, it isn't really anybody's fault.
 
feat. George Michael...
@bwDraco but it is a worry....
 
5:53 PM
I've read that WN is one of the best low-cost airlines.
 
as that means the rest maybe on a count down to failure.
 
@bwDraco they actually have special equipment they use for examining the fan blades to check for microfractures - since a small fracture is likely to expand into a larger fracture after a couple flights, and then boom
in this case, if the microfracture was internal to the blade, surface scans wouldn't detect it
not sure how they'd scan the interior of the blades. high-powered X-rays?
 
I'd suspect sound, but I have no actual clue.
MRI?
> SWA does NOT support the CFM comment on reducing compliance time to 12 months. SWA estimates there are 732 engines in the SWA population. Compliance time of 18 months will be needed to schedule and complete the required ultrasonic inspections.
 
This looks like a very old aircraft. This doesn't have NW's latest livery.
 
Ultrasound then
 
5:56 PM
@djsmiley2k Huh. They protested the notice precisely because they have a huge fleet.
 
The engine's having babies! Baby fractures that is
 
@bwDraco the quote was just for the fact they use ultrasound to scan the blades
So I was right
2 mins ago, by djsmiley2k
I'd suspect sound, but I have no actual clue.
 
!!s/NW/WN/
 
@bwDraco This looks like a very old aircraft. This doesn't have WN's latest livery. (source)
 
Bleh.
 
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