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12:00 AM

Feb 7 at 11:21, by bwDraco

You wind up with clashes between customers and shareholders, which can impose conflicting requirements on a company - and favoring the customers can get a publicly-traded company in more trouble than favoring the investors.

(see context; by "trouble", I mean both financial and legal trouble, as in shareholders will sue the company)

I'm getting the impression Konami wants to exit the home video game industry and focus on commercial amusement systems.

I thought they did!?

Journeyman Geek

cause arcades are not a sunset business... and people arn't walking around with little arcade machines in their pocket....

But video game development costs greatly outpace inflation.

Then again, why can't they just charge $50 instead of $40, allow a normal number of save slots (at least three), and tone down some of the other microtransactions?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco but... are employee salaries adjusted for it?

I'm not asking for "remove all microtransactions". That's just not economically possible in today's video game industry. But this seriously feels like tricking consumers into thinking they're getting a better deal than they really are.

Journeyman Geek

12:15 AM

(also eh, dude, I kinda think we have had the whole "but games need to be more expensive" conversation before)

@bwDraco Sacrificing future goodwill for immediate profits. i.e. everything that is wrong with the world today.

@bwDraco Not out of necessity, mind. See: greed.

@Bob Because investors have been less and less willing to hold their shares long-term.

If they couldn't squeeze every last penny out of their customers they could spend less on dev and marketing.

Noting that marketing is often half the budget anyway.

I just hate the way the markets are behaving these days. It's like investors and consumers can't get along anymore.

Can't get along? They both have attention spans bordering on that of a myopic gnat!

...wait, what was I saying?

12:23 AM

I mean, the expectations of investors are diverging from the expectations of consumers. It's becoming "profits now!" vs "customer service and loyalty".

And if a major AAA game doesn't come out with microtransactions... investors will sell big-time. Because investors will see the company as a sinking ship with the new title having no way to turn a profit.

Also, why do publishers insist on spending such insane amounts of money on marketing?

s/developers/publishers/

Like, is spending this much money really necessary to maximize net profits?

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb that they have the memory spans of a dystopic gnat.

@JourneymanGeek Who has the memory slots of a cyclonic rat?

@bwDraco Beancounters feel it does; plus it feeds the cycle. If $AAA_CURRENTGEN doesn't sell as well as $AAA_PREVIOUSGEN then who's gonna buy $AAA_NEXTGEN

So, marketing

And I'm thinking that they're pushing for total cash flow rather than net profits.

12:32 AM

Heck, with good marketing, a bit of fudgery and some outright lies you can sell a terrible game reasonably well (cough Brink cough)

("Freerunning teamplay FPS with an actual story!")

(not that i'm bitter)

welp, dad is back in the hospital

Investors do not like it when cash flow is significantly down, even if net income is slightly higher.

There's possibly a little bit of that; a business that has a $billion turnover and zero profit is probably more stable than indiestudio with 629 sales and $13091 profit... despite the latter being technically more profitable

@allquixotic Sorry to hear that :(

What happened? (if you want to talk about it, if not please disregard)

Journeyman Geek

:(

12:51 AM

@allquixotic :(

my mom just took him minutes ago to the hospital so we have no idea as of right now... I mean, he can still walk, he's still breathing, he doesn't feel lightheaded, none of the signs of imminently dying

my guess is acute kidney failure, but it could also be chronic (the type where you need a special diet and machines and pills and you don't get better)

don't know though

it usually takes hours or even a full day for the doctors to run enough tests to give the family definite information like "this is what we think is going on"

Hope it turns out to be something that he recovers quickly from

Must be terribly stressful for you all

just messes up our schedules etc but yeah

the last time I checked my mom into the emergency room we were both laughing about it, because my mom got a new knife in the mail, and it was like, either $5 USD (with a MSRP of $50+) or literally free, and she was really excited

and she was like, "LOOK AT MY NEW KNI--owww!" and cut her thumb right open

after which she wouldn't stop bleeding, and it was like midnight, and all the doctors except the ER were closed

Journeyman Geek

oh god

so I rushed her down there to get it stitched, but we both laughed about it

Journeyman Geek

12:59 AM

your mom is like my dad

other than that my dad pretends he dosen't like nice knives, until we get some then uses the shit out of em. And does cut himself...

my mom is the stronger, level-headed parent with a good balance between protectiveness and knowing when to let go and give me independence, while always being willing to support

Journeyman Geek

neither of mine are that ;p

my dad is the crazy, mentally ill but won't admit it, paranoid parent who views me as a minor still

@snoobdogg: You have an answer now so its not really relevant but in future I'd recommend if being asked for dimensions to give them in more standard units of measure. Centimetres or inches would have worked. Mice are a less commonly used unit and thus many people would have to look up the conversion of "common mouse" to units they are familiar with. I certainly am left still having no actual idea of how big this thing is. :) — Chris 14 hours ago

+1 for very professional use of the SI unit "mouse" — valerio 13 hours ago

How quickly does this grow in millimice/minute? — Barmar 4 hours ago

@allquixotic oof, does he have a history of kidney issues?

yep

1:08 AM

:(

1 hour later…

2:37 AM

@bwDraco It takes a couple of minutes to load at some points

3:02 AM

Yeah, I've read FFXV has very long load times.

From what I can tell, the game is very disk-heavy, but will an NVMe SSD provide further improvement over a SATA SSD? (I'm thinking yes, but I suspect it's very CPU-heavy as it loads, too.)

2 hours later…

5:36 AM

@bwDraco What exactly is it reading?

The PC version hasn't launched yet, but I've seen the benchmark stutter heavily on the first run as it loads the game's assets. Subsequent runs are faster.

Sounds poorly optimised tbh

If it's frequently hitting the same data, it should be caching it

If it's loading new data, I'd question just how much it needs ... and why it couldn't be compressed some

@bwDraco Ok, poorly optimised it is.

Possibly relies on OS disk cache.

5:48 AM

@bwDraco really? That's hardly a good reason to downvote the question. There's plenty of valid times when you'd want to do this.

Starting with self-signed certs being rather common in dev environments.

@Bob browsers trying to tighten up security holes and make it harder for people to be lazy and use self-signed certs I guess? you can always generate a CA and import the CA's root cert into the browser's trust store and then you're golden, without paying a dime or even contacting a remote server

Sure, warn that blindly bypassing the warnings isn't a good thing. But IMO that shouldn't affect the quality of the question itself.

with full trust to the disk you can even programmatically import the cert without the UI, I think

at least it's theoretically possible

@allquixotic My issue isn't with the browser; it's with the reasoning behind votes on the question.

@allquixotic Also, generating a CA could possibly be an even worse idea. Dev systems typically aren't well-secured, and now you've just set yourself up for a MitM by anyone who has access to that server.

They could (absent HPKP) generate a certificate for, say, amazon.com and your browser would happily accept it even though the root was only supposed to be for internal sites.

@Bob isn't there a way of generating a CA, generating a cert, and then using your cert without leaving open the possibility of generating more certs? like.... shred the CA private key?

5:55 AM

Really, the only safe ways are to either accept a specific self-signed cert permanently or temporarily.

Temporarily makes sense if the environment is constantly getting reset. Don't need to clutter the list.

@allquixotic Well, the assumption is you might want to generate more certs. Otherwise, why bother with a root? Just add the specific self-signed cert.

on a CI server you'd probably start with an empty browser profile, then inject the CA root cert into the profile, then run your test, then tear down the entire stack (including, presumably, the container or VM you spun up to run it)

@Bob why? well, to make the browser !##$*(&ing happy, of course ;-)

@allquixotic Yea, automated browsers would be different. In that case you might as well disable cert checking altogether. But that question was about interactive use.

e.g. => stackoverflow.com/questions/26388405/…

I don't think the question is bad; my reaction was "huh, they're really making you be a clever dev to figure out how to bypass the interstitial" (given the new answer to the question) and "people really shouldn't need this anymore, but when they do, I feel bad for them"

but yeah, a downvote is basically a Tim Post's Keys moment

'course, these are all tools that can be misused.

or a lapse in someone's judgment

5:59 AM

@allquixotic Amusingly the chromium code has a comment saying there's better ways, goo.gl/ZcZixP

But of course those "better ways" are very situation-dependent

> 1. Secure the server with a publicly-trusted certificate. If the server is reachable from the Internet ...

you've already done something wrong. don't expose test servers to the public internet!

> 2. localhost is treated as a secure origin, so if you're able to run your server from localhost, you should be able to test the feature on that server.

They admit that won't work for mobile. It also won't work for more complex setups where having a centralised test server is a huge plus

a production build of a browser should default to maximally protect the user; in that context they might remove the interstitial bypass entirely out of the Chrome prod build. I say they should have a separate build for CI servers and testers and clearly label it as such

In-universe, Bart Simpson and Harry Potter were the same age in 1990. Bart is perpetually 10 years old because of a spell put on his town by someone trying to keep him from getting his Hogwarts letter.

> 3. You can run chrome with the --unsafely-treat-insecure-origin-as-secure="http://example.com" flag ... Note that on Android and ChromeOS this requires having a device with root access/dev mode.

Requires root. Fail.

mobile is another can of worms... you're not getting root on iOS for instance

@allquixotic The bypass has always been there, and it's not even hidden. This is just the keyboard shortcut. Otherwise you can always ... click the link on the interstitial page.

6:02 AM

oh :P

Click "advanced" => click "Proceed to wrong.host.badssl.com (unsafe)"

Hm. Looks like the keyboard shortcut also lets you into the types that don't have the link (revoked). Interesting.

@allquixotic You're also not running Chrome on iOS... and I pity the people having to test websites on iOS Safari.

iOS Safari is about as opaque as you can get in modern webdev.

is it easier to just write a native app? (unless Apple won't accept your app submission :S)

I would rank its devtools somewhere around IE8 (IE9?)'s level, with the exception of the IE8/9 console bug (console not defined until devtools open).

Maybe a cross between IE9 and IE11 devtools, though that's a stretch. Like, some parts are more modern.

Edge has it beat. Firefox has it beat. Chrome has it beat.

Hm. Maybe more accurate to say its inspector is alright (though the layout sucks), but its JS debugger is terrible.

It's as crashy as Firefox 30's devtools :P

@allquixotic idk, the iOS Simulator takes forever to load too, soooo

speaking of crashy, prior to patching my MacOS against the Telugu bug, I was able to make my Firefox crash (the entire window, not just a content process) on MacOS High Sierra... not just by rendering the character, not even by copying it to the clipboard; I had to paste it to make it crash

some code on the main process must receive the MacOS equivalent of a window message on the paste

Though the Simulator slowness could be because we're using a 2011 iMac

then again my Windows box is from 2012, and has no problems with VMs etc

6:10 AM

@Bob ya think? for virt, processor probably makes a significant difference, and a 2011 Intel CPU is probably 50% as fast as an equivalent-core 2017 CPU

@allquixotic yea, but I'm comparing it against 2012, not 2017 :P

@Bob but is that also doing binary translation? IIRC there is no Intel iOS, so it's running ARM code

you'd have to compare it against running ARM Android on the 2012 Windows box I guess

@allquixotic True, but then hardware virt doesn't come into it either.

@Bob probably right, although a December 2016 ACM paper begs to differ dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2996798

since the iOS Simulator is proprietary we wouldn't know if they were using a technique like that unless Apple told us or someone RE'ed it

Hm. cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=794&cmp[]=896 looks to be the CPUs

so there's a fair diff there

now I wonder if the Simulator is faster on a modern mac

(well, that'd be a yes, but how much?)

6:14 AM

that Sandy is less than 1/3 the total throughput but just over half the single thread throughput of my Coffee 8700K... not that you would expect to need an 8700K to run an iOS simulator efficiently

hey, if you want, I can test it on my i7-6567U. Skylake U part, top-end within its TDP class

on A/C power so it doesn't throttle for energy savings or w/e

what am I timing? simulator bootup with cold cache?

@allquixotic Yea, if you're curious too :P

@allquixotic Actually, as far as startup time I suspect RAM, SSD will make more difference than CPU

This thing probably has a HDD inside... 2011?

it took 25 seconds to boot up the iPhone X simulator to the home screen, give or take a few seconds

perfectly usable from that point

not the most amazing FPS ever on UI transitions, but enough to get the idea... and this is on Iris, not a dGPU

booting an iPad Pro on iOS 9.3 now

40s and counting, staring at an apple logo :P

not entirely cold, mind, it was running before

oh this is iOS 11.2 sim too

about 1 min

6:23 AM

latest stable Xcode

yea 1 min to get into the home screen

and mine was on cold cache, first time I'd done it this boot

so about half the time given a Skylake-U and a fast SSD

lol, probably the SSD then

@allquixotic also your Iris is probably faster than the dGPU in here

videocardbenchmark.net/…

yea, the Iris wins :P

I went right-click -> Quit on the Simulator, then timed it using the seconds on my clock on my Windows desktop...

started it again and I had the home screen in 15s. No long loading bar on the Apple logo.

again iPhone X iOS 11.2

did it again... more like 12s now... it clearly does something to load but it's keeping something warm when I just quit the sim without closing xcode

@allquixotic I got about 20s with a very warm restart

so SSD + RAM

apparently this thing only has 4 GB... ugh

6:27 AM

mine has 16

heh

maybe an app would be an option then

quitting the simulator appears to actually close the process, but somehow they optimized (re)bootup even though in the Memory tab of Activity Monitor I can find no evidence of any running process related to the simulator

but it'd still just be a thin wrapper around safari anyway

we don't have anywhere near the resources to actually make it native (also, heavy dependency on JS frameworks that must parse specific complex templates)

uhh... none of the top memory-using processes seem at all affected when I close/open the simulator @_@

@allquixotic iOS testing got better after we got an iPad Pro but it's still worse than Chrome on Android (mostly cause Chrome devtools are great)

6:29 AM

is it running in-process with Xcode, or in the kernel or something?

no, I literally can't find a UNIX pid on the entire system that uses more RAM when the simulator is running vs. when not

the only memory relief I get is when closing the main Xcode entirely

and that's only 256 MB or so

maybe somehow they're dynamically allocating chunks of system memory only as needed by the guest

that simulator is a complete enigma to me

is it a native x86_64 app running a native Intel build of iOS designed only to run on a Mac on Xcode? I have no idea

@allquixotic heh, sounds liek what one hypervisor did on windows

think it was vbox?

no. vmware?

anyway, it'd lock away RAM invisible to task manager

@allquixotic yes

@allquixotic => stackoverflow.com/questions/32082089/…

I don't know what vbox did RE: memory allocation but I know that vbox at one point was defaulting to a setting that would cause sync or fsync calls in the guest to be handled by the hypervisor as "Heh, yeah, okay, the VM wants us to "sync"... uh, let's say we did and don't, and we can sync later when we feel like it"

all apps deployed to simulator are built for x86

@Bob O___O

wow. x86_64 iOS! who knew. just like the early (surprise!) builds of Intel Mac OS X in the PowerPC days :P

also stackoverflow.com/questions/23895492/…

6:34 AM

would it be cool or horrific if they used COTS Intel x86_64 CPUs in iPhones in the future (or built their own x86_64 CPUs O_O)?

also why would they? :P

@allquixotic wasn't the rumor that they'd go the other way and migrate to ARM?

@allquixotic also that would only make sense if Intel hadn't abandoned mobile Atom :P

@Bob ARM Macbooks? supposedly, I guess so yeah, because their current phone/tablet cores are so sophisticated and so powerful that they could probably "scale up" a bit to compete with proper Intel laptop chips... in theory, anyway

Via's ultra ultra low power cores are nowhere near

and I don't think AMD is even trying for that segment

though that could change

I wonder how much of Apple's A10, A11, etc. cores is their own first-party design and how much they've simply bought/licensed component-level stuff (not at the entire chip level like Vega M on Intel, but at the design level like Intel used to do with PowerVR GPUs, or many manufacturers do with ARM Cortex)

@allquixotic I can never be sure, considering how much people hate Intel and Apple, just how much of the A11 vs Intel arguments are true :P

6:38 AM

they could easily, probably, keep deals with Nv/ARM/AMD/Intel under wraps

Moving off x86 would lose bootcamp though

@Bob true, and that would piss off a lot of users

you'd also lose support for existing x86 VM solutions designed to run on VT-x processors like Parallels and VMware Fusion on OS X

you could still virtualize Windows but you'd need a new hypervisor

@allquixotic you could still do it, but ... binary translation sucks

Journeyman Geek

7:14 AM

they could buy via ;p

hides

since apparently they're still around, and licencing some x86 ISA to the chinese 0_0

extremetech.com/gaming/…

> If the only way you can secure your product is by literally installing malware, you don’t deserve to have a product at all.

Couldn't have said it better.

8:19 AM

@allquixotic isn't x86_64 like a huge powersink

Journeyman Geek

8:42 AM

@djsmiley2k not really

actually on many modern processors, the x86 related bit of the processor is supposedly very small

8:52 AM

Jul 23 '17 at 3:31, by bwDraco

> The AMD Family 17h processor employs a reduced instruction set execution core with a preprocessor that decodes and decomposes most of the simpler AMD64 instructions into a sequence of one or two macro ops. More complex instructions are implemented using microcode routines.

(Family 17h = Zen)

> reduced instruction set execution core

9 hours ago, by FML Cat

To be fair the PSU only outright failed once. The other times were everything else blowing up in his PC which he blamed on the power supply

lul

so the voltage regulator on the motherboard then

Any current reasonable laptops with serial ports? D:

Journeyman Geek

hm

No

like literally no

:(

not good

Journeyman Geek

In fact other than those strangeass chinese industrial systems, or USB to serial, you don't have many options for a real serial port on a smaller system?

9:10 AM

yeah

morning

o/

@djsmiley2k USB

though make sure it's actual RS232 with a boost converter, not the weird 5V TTL-ish stuff

Nod

if you can't cope with the polling nature of USB you might have to go expresscard or pcie or something

e.g. shentek.com.tw/shop/…

Journeyman Geek

9:19 AM

.... so, android 8.0 .... apparently you have to enable installing non-market apps per app that installs it, and that dosen't get available until you actually try to.

On one hand, securitywise... eh, its nice. On the other, its so doggone non intuitive

(oddly I didn't notice on the Op3. Its for humble bundle app, and I don't exactly mobile game much)

the option for 3rd party packages doesn't show up until you try and install one?

urgh

ticket saying this: support.screencast-o-matic.com doesn't work

I'm like.... looks like crap

Journeyman Geek

9:35 AM

Yup

9:51 AM

Orders an USB 'Wifi' adaptor (wired only)

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10:33 AM

I'm hearing what sounds disturbingly like zombie invasion type screams from a few houses down o.O

Journeyman Geek

0_0

10:46 AM

my wife picked up a cheap fidget cube from china for my birthday

it arrived a month late ;D

but it's kinda fun

1 hour later…

Journeyman Geek

11:53 AM

@djsmiley2k it is. quite

fidget ... cube?

fidget cubes were a thing before fidget spinners actually

12:08 PM

much better than the spinner

Journeyman Geek

er, no

pretty sure spinners came first

has one of the "original" ones

Figet cubes started as a kickstarter, as far as I'm aware

kickstarter.com/projects/antsylabs/fidget-cube-a-vinyl-desk-toy

> ESTIMATED DELIVERY
Oct 2016

Journeyman Geek

yup

12:25 PM

trends.google.co.uk/trends/…

Cube wins

12:47 PM

+1 for very professional use of the SI unit "mouse" — valerio yesterday

1:15 PM

hey @BenN, thanks again for having my back

You're welcome :)

1:48 PM

hum de dum

how come of 12 identical switches

each and everyone comes up with some new interesting error

Journeyman Geek

cause they're not actually identical

!!define everyone

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic everyone Every person.

c

Journeyman Geek

2:05 PM

d

2:25 PM

Pinging mumble.vulpin.com [aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from bbb.bbb.bbb.bbb: TTL expired in transit.

welp

o/

Journeyman Geek

@Bob not sure of the point of hiding the IP, if anyone can ping the domain name ;p

@JourneymanGeek yea, uh ... I forgot

it's not particularly secret anyway

Journeyman Geek

I can ping it btw ;p

NSA notified

2:33 PM

@JourneymanGeek yea it came back up at some point

2:54 PM

hmmmm

this extremem switch, has access ports with both a tagged and untagged vlan on it

..... how does that even work?!

Anyone know the equivalent of Excel's 'Name Manager' in LibreOffice?

Journeyman Geek

maybe its running them in some order?

well it's for a ip phone + a desktop PC hanging off the back of the phone

soooooooooo

I presume the phone tags the desktop's traffic with the vlan tag

and the phone data comes with the other vlan tag

Found it! Sheet → Named Ranges and Expressions → Manage

3:35 PM

@BenN are you here?

Yes, briefly

3:54 PM

@BenN you know my question for powershell

I ran it on powershell 6 and it is ok

but when I'm running it on powershell 3

issue

@djsmiley2k easy. packets with a tag are only accepted in that port if they match one of the port's tags. the "untagged" part is probably the PVID and is assigned to untagged packets coming in

there is no raw option on powershell 3

@djsmiley2k example: tagged 10, 20, 30 means you accept incoming 10, 20, 30 and allow outgoing 10, 20, 30 to that port. untagged 50 means incoming packets without a vlan tag get assigned 50, and outgoing with tag 50 are sent out untagged (I think)

hm. never mind ignore that :P

lemme double check

you use your dev env

things are ok with powershell and suddenly, you go to prod and script is having multiple issues

yup that's about right (@djsmiley2k)

practical example: say your phone expects tagged packets on 10, and the PC expects untagged but within the network PC should be on VLAN 20

then you'd have the port tagged 10, untagged 20

incoming untagged packets get assigned 20 within the rest of the network

outgoing 20 packets gets tag stripped

incoming and outgoing 10 packets are left alone (tag left in packet)

any tagged packets not in the port's tagged list, e.g. 30, are rejected

so they can't e.g. configure the PC to send tagged packets on 30 because that port doesn't allow 30, because it only allows tagged 10 (and all untagged are assigned 20)

...if that makes any sense

a port should only have at most one untagged vlan on it, but can have many tagged vlans

That REDACTED Guy

4:12 PM

Friends, I'm quite on a predicament here and I'd like to hear some opinions.
I have a client who bought a `.com` domain back in 2004 from a Brazilian registrar. He lost his access credentials and when I tried to visit the registrar website, it's just a two fields form on a white background that returns a database error upon any input.

Turns out this registrar is just a "reseller" for enom.com, I opened a ticket with them back in December, but they close it (twice!) without any resolution. I tried to call Enom, but its support line just gets stuck on hold for 30+ minutes until I hang up.

Does anyone have Paul Mockapetris' or Jon Postel's personal email address? ;P

Paul Mockapetris

Paul V. Mockapetris (born 1948 in Boston, Massachusetts, US) is an American computer scientist and Internet pioneer, who, together with Jon Postel, invented the Internet Domain Name System (DNS). == Education == Mockapetris graduated from the prestigious Boston Latin School in 1966, received his bachelor's degrees in physics and electrical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1971 and his doctorate in information and computer science from the University of California at Irvine in 1982. == Career == In 1983, he proposed a Domain Name System architecture in RFC 882 and RFC...

@BenN this one works great

powershell -command "(get-content C:\Etl_bin\bck_dump.sql) | foreach-object { $_ -replace 'CREATE SCHEMA dw', 'CREATE SCHEMA dw1' } | set-content C:\Etl_bin\bck_dump.sql"

4:30 PM

@Bob ok good and thank you

that's how it's setup on the old switch, and we replicated that on the new switch.... but it didn't work :D

:S

yeah :/

problem is there isn't any 'test systems' either

so we have to find someone with a live system, who isn't busy

bug them to let us disconnect them while we test.

hey, happy Friday and weekend.

who is the in-house excel expert here?

That REDACTED Guy

Not me. I think it's bureaucratic and annoying.

lol

^^_^^

Depends what you're trying to do @jokerdino

4:44 PM

they have a big file of bullshit in office

That REDACTED Guy

Yes, and water is wet.

right now, I haven't been assigned anything yet but looks like I am supposed to be a magician in excel o.O

That REDACTED Guy

You're a computer guy, Excel is computer stuff, right?

so, I am probably expected to know all the tricks in excel and unleash them whenever required.

@jokerdino I had an Excel answer I spent some time on deleted recently (user removed question? user deleted? who knows!)

more vague grumbling about lack of feedback

4:48 PM

Not me~

but maybe I can ask some excel questions when stuck in work :D

It would be nice if you could recover all your own answers, even if obviated for reasons outwith your control...

Hehe, sounds good :D

you could ask the mods to screenshot it or something

@jokerdino I had this happen, lul

I guess so; I don't need it for any personal reasons but it seems a shame to lose something I spent a little bit of time on

Working 'IT' for a factory production line

part of IT's job was managing the software which created the labels to tell the systems what they are building.

how that happens, don't ask me. but it did. I started learning how to do it.... and promptly left.

the guy who was teaching me was not happy about that fact but meh. he was prob on 3x my money

4:51 PM

@bertieb mod can undelete it if there is merit in the question..

Something along the lines of 'get the count of the number of entry in each column if the entry is the first in the row, otherwise ignore'

@jokerdino Ah really? I thought there was (otherwise I wouldn't have answered)

Not sure it's worth ~~rousing the sleeping giants~~ bothering a mod for tho :p

gently prod them and give a cookie

I'd have to find it somehow tho right?

Heh :P

hmmmmmmmm

@bertieb mods can find all answers in your profile

4:54 PM

surely they could go into your profile -> answers

they just see things you don't.

Ahh

Seems... weird that you can't see your own (deleted) answers but a mod can

agreed.

@bertieb do you have a direct link, e.g. from browser history?

I can snip it for you

(but only mods can view a list from profile)

@Bob Will have a look

also, self-deleting questions is only allowed if there's no upvoted answers

4:57 PM

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good morning @Bob

↑↑ the cookie up for grabs

@Bob Alas, my answer languished at zero (possibly as I used a second sheet to do the referencing while I figured out how to condense the logic into one unmanagable MegaFormula)

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